Xbox 2 Game Trailer

EvilAvatar has word via a forum of a Trailer for an Xbox 2 video game called War-Devil. Our first look at what Microsoft's next-next generation console can do looks pretty good.

Comments

Yes

[Anonymous Coward]

Because everything you see in a trailer will be in the game in the exact same way, and they never use tricks to make trailers look better than the product.

Re:Yes

[Anonymous Coward]

Good example: Halo 2.

Halo 2 isn't half the game that was promised. SOP for Microsoft.

Re:Yes

[hunterx11]

Perhaps true, but the trailer graphics were no better than the game graphics. In fact the graphics for the cutscenes are worse than the game graphics because of all the popup :)

Re:Yes

[MBraynard]

Can you name some of the things that aren't there? I don't rember anything being overpromised except for maybe the release date being pushed back some.

Re:Yes

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry for not keeping tabs on this post that I made. It's only by chance that I happened back upon this thread.

Anyhow, please read this Halo 2 thread at your leisure. It contains the contents of a post that Bungie deleted from their forums. It also has a link to a site dedicated to that single forum post. I don't buy all the connections the poster made, but it is clear that what was released as "Halo 2" is not all that it was intended to be, not to mention all that Xbox supporters are being led to believe.

I'll believe it when I can hold it my hands.

[LordNimon]

Until then, it's just vaporware.

Re:I'll believe it when I can hold it my hands.

[cheeseSource]

Taking it at face value: It looks good but not as good as it I'd expected considering what the leap in graphics "should" be.

Good Lord!

[samael]

A trailer for a video game has excellent graphics! Who's have thought it?

What's that? The in-game graphics might not be as good?

The advert might have been created on a render-farm?

They've been doing this kind of thing for years?

Tell me it's not true!

(oh, and the plot looked terrible)

Re:Good Lord!

[OAB_X]

(oh, and the plot looked terrible)

Its a game made for an x-box. Its supposed to have bad plot. Even the microsoft CFO acknowldeged that xbox will never be profitable.

Re:Good Lord!

[Moustache N Tits]

(oh, and the plot looked terrible)

you were able to get a plot out of that? I watched in 10 times (trying to find the xbox2 rendered section) and couldn't get ANY basic plot.. I guess it's some guy who's fighting off a teranical overlords?... how original!

Conflicted

[spencerogden]

The eternal conflict in the mind of a Slashdotter: MS Hardware - Good
MS Software - Bad

Its almost as confusing as whether Apple is evil this week. Or whether Google is becoming or already is evil. I don't know what to think any more, let's just make up our minds and ignore reality from now on.

Re:Conflicted

[Sv-Manowar]

What major hardware does MS produce other than the xbox, and keyboards/mice ?

Re:Conflicted

[wed128]

they have wireless cards/ap's...

Re:Conflicted

[two_socks]

"from now on."

Uh, you know this is slashdot, right? Most of us here are already on the "ignore reality" bandwagon.

Re:Conflicted

[Akaihiryuu]

Not everyone thinks that. I personally will never own an Xbox or Xbox 2, regardless of which games are made for it, simply because it's Microsoft...even if someone gave me one for free, I'd sell it. I currently have a PS2, plus every Nintendo and Sega console going back to the 8-bit ones, and I plan on getting both a PS3 and whatever Nintendo calls their next system. I've passed on good games before, just because they're Xbox. I was a huge Panzer Dragoon fan, I have all 3 Saturn games, but I won't play Panzer Dragoon Orta unless it's ported to another system. I feel it is ehtically wrong to support Microsoft by buying their products or playing games on their systems...plus I'm incredibly stubborn.

Re:Conflicted

[xero314]

No conflict for me. MS Hardware, as you put it, seems to be moderate at best. And worse than the quality of their products is their complete lack of originality. I mean the PS2, like it or hate it, is a peice of creative genius. Wether you think the final out come of the PS2 is good or not you have to admit the concept of high through put no caching, in conjunction with multiple general purpose vector (matrix actually) processors is way above and beyond anything being done by MS. But if the rumors hold true and MS does move the XBox 2 over to a PowerPC architecture, they are atleast taking steps in the right directions.

Re:Conflicted

[Anonymous Coward]

Last time I checked, Xbox had way better specs than the PS2. Programming on the PS2 is a complicated mess because of their vector processors. PS2 is flooded with a an incredible amount of "uncreative games" - that is how they achieved market dominance in the first place. I don't think we'll see any PS2 games in the near future that use normal mapping. Tell me again how high a concept memory cards are for save game storage (and in play use)?

Re:Conflicted

[Anonymous Coward]

That's your loss. You do realize the only thing you are accompishing is hurting your favorite franchise and limiting the probability another game will ever be released at all?

Panzer Dragoon was excellent, and I could care less that it runs on X-Box.

Re:Conflicted

[mausmalone]

Last time I checked, Xbox had way better specs than the PS2.

Owing totally to the fact that it's newer, and that Microsoft loses a ton of money every time they sell one. Not only that, but the X-Box doesn't have nearly the polygon draw rate nor the pixel fill rate that they report. Even if the graphics card were capible of such a thing (and it's not), the system bus doesn't have the bandwidth to transmit that much vertex data to it.

Programming on the PS2 is a complicated mess because of their vector processors.

Well, it was when it first came out. Now they have real development kits and there are people in the industry you can turn to for support. There's a real reason that newer PS2 games look better than first-gen ones, and a lot of it has to do with improved dev kits.

PS2 is flooded with a an incredible amount of "uncreative games" - that is how they achieved market dominance in the first place.

While not totally off-base, it's not like anyone's running to the X-Box for all of the wildly imaginitive stuff they have. The X-Box is crtuching its success on sports games and the Halo series. Now that's a lack of originality.

I don't think we'll see any PS2 games in the near future that use normal mapping.

Sure you will. Normal mapping is completely do-able on the PS2, but you have to use a multi-pass algorithm to do it right. You'll definitely see it in the future (Capcom has stated that they intend to port RE4 to the PS2), but if you look around you'll find a few out there that already use it.

Tell me again how high a concept memory cards are for save game storage (and in play use)?

I can take my save game to a friend's house. I can't with an X-Box.

The PS2 is actually a work of hardware art. It stands up very well to the X-Box (especially when you look at games like MGS3 and the Silent Hill series) considering that it's both older hardware and much cheaper to manufacture. There were a lot of blunders with making the hardware a bit overcomplicated, but it's still nothing compared to the Saturn (which had so much crap in it, they had to split the motherboard in half and layer it inside the case). The vector units were very complicated at first, but now that Sony has actually released development tools that help you use them, developers are getting a lot out of them.

Re:Conflicted

[zero_offset]

You don't know much about the Sony corporation, do you?
Microsoft is a fucking big-eyed kitten by comparison.

Re:Conflicted

[Toddarooski]

No, I think the trick to understanding why Slashdot can like the Xbox but hate Windows is in seeing evil as a relative thing, not an absolute thing.

In other words...

Microsoft compared to Linus Torvalds = evil

Microsoft compared to Sony and Nintendo = good (or, at least, less evil)

Blizzard compared to geeks wanting to write free Battlenet servers = evil

Blizzard compared to SOE = good

Re:Conflicted

[xero314]

Allow me to list just a few of the original games that have been released for the PS2 in america and over seas.

1. Katamari Damacy
2. Culdcept
3. Dark Cloud
4. Robot Alchemic Drive
5. ICO
6. Frequency
7. Chulip
8. Okami

I think you can get the point from there. And that's not listing the titles that are an original twist on an old idea, such as Disgae.
As for Normal Mapping on a PS2 check ot this link http://ps2dev.org/kb.x?T=1098 which has a doucment all about how to achive normal mapping.
Oh and though I tried I could not find any list of any console games currently out that use Normal Mapping, so if you have a list I would love to see it.
I actually run hot and cold on the idea of memory cards for storage, but so far I have not run into any issues with my memory cards and have never had one fail. I can't say the same for hard drives, but I have had a few more of those in my life.

*yawn*

[Anonymous Coward]

*sigh* Sounds like another useless attempt at a 3D fighting game that will be broken in 10 mins once the infinite combo/broken 100% damage special link/mindless sidestep infinity battle is discovered. Or perhaps another action game with mind numbing gameplay, or yet another FPS that I can play with better controls and graphics on my PC in a year. *yawn* Give me a reason to by an X-box2 besides sports games or PC ports.

Re:*yawn*

[Anonymous Coward]

For now TFA is slashdotted ATM. Until it's mirrord I give my slim benefit of a doubt (see parent post).

Re:*yawn*

[Anonymous Coward]

Finally got in to see it but you can't tell the genre from the movie. For all we know it could be a RTS game... But mark my words... *yawn*

Re:*yawn*

[Hedonist23]

I love the guy who replies to himself twice to say that he hasn't seen the video yet, but it most assuredly will suck. No matter what. Gauranteed. Thanks for your input.

Re:*yawn*

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm just bored...

Re:*yawn*

[MilenCent]

You don't have to see the demo to know it'll suck. You just have to hear the name, which typically tips you off as to what audiences the developers are going for, to see. This is true in surprisingly many cases.

Re:*yawn*

[Iamdeusex]

He's right; I judge books by their covers all the time. I only read pretty books.

Needs a torrent.

[St. Arbirix]

Someone set up a torrent to the Quicktime fast. I'm downloading it from the server and pieces of it are singed.

I don't know about you guys...

[sycotic]

...but that link seems to be a bit hosed so I couldn't even find the link to the trailer :(

After a wee bit of googling I figured this is it though

Re:I don't know about you guys...

[forkazoo]

Even less googling turns up wardevil.com Unfortunately, the site seems to be acting screwy, so I guess I'm not the first person to think that probably should have been mentioned in the write-up. Thanks to the site being funky, I still haven't even figured out what *type* of game it is... Or, do we just assume FPS these days?

ooohhh wow

[Ender Ryan]

Wow, the next Xbox will be able to play FMV. Amazing. Maybe next they'll add DVD playback capability, sure must require some really beefy hardware for something like that.

Re:ooohhh wow

[mausmalone]

I don't know... have you ever watched a trailer from an XBN disc? Perhaps FMV playback is a harder proposition for MS than previously imagined.

In Game Graphics

[orion024]

Sure, the trailer was pretty. But games have had pretty cinema scenes for a long time now. The real question will be what does the *ingame* graphics look like? This of course what be known for some time, I expect.

Re:In Game Graphics

[Anonymous Coward]

>The real question will be what does the *ingame* graphics look like?

Whatever PC games look like today

Trailer available from developer's game site

[Anonymous Coward]

You can download the trailer/get more info from the developer's craptastic Flash site for the game: www.wardevil.com.

Re:Trailer available from developer's game site

[Anonymous Coward]

Seems like they have some early screen shots up at the developer site. Looks like an FPS to me.

The trailer shows absolutely nothing

[mike_lynn]

This is a 100% pre-rendered advertisement for a product that doesn't exist yet. No clips of rendering from actual XBox 2 hardware, just pure unadulterated movie scenes.

*yawn* Wake me when someone's got real footage.

And for those that don't want to wait for the forum to load, go here: http://www.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_wardevil.ht ml

Re:The trailer shows absolutely nothing

[Arivia]

Pick up issue 138 of Game Informer for screenshots of The Elder Scrolls:Oblivion running on an Xbox 2 or an Xbox 2 dev kit, I forget which. Better than this, at least.

If only

[Gewis]

If only those graphics weren't pre-rendered, and that was all in-game stuff. Hey, you know, maybe that's what it really is, eh? Please? Please?

an oldie but a goodie...

[sociald]

I for one welcome our new Unholy Overlords

ahhgahgahgahgahgah

Probably not.

[Anonymous Coward]

Xbox 2 development tools are only just now getting into the hands of most developers. I would say there is a very strong possibility that this is not running on any kind of prototype Xbox 2 system, since it takes quite a bit of time to get anything at all (not to mention something that looks finished) on a brand-new console.

you never know

[Ava3ar]

i would laugh my ass off if that was actually being rendered on the fly though

did i miss the small print?

[bigbigbison]

Is there ANYTHING in that trailer that says what platform it is coming out on? Looks like another 100% pure speculation passed off as a "scoop" from here.

Sigh..

[oprahjesserafael]

Does even the lowest common denomenator twelve year old INTRAAWEB FFOOURUM poster fall for this kind of thing? For all we know, this could be running on a Turbo Duo, not that it makes any difference anyway.

Re:Sigh..

[mink]

It's good to see this kind of development on the DUO .
The last new game we got for it was that puzzle game I can only find at Lik-Sang.

Re:Sigh..

[Anonymous Coward]

Those new PCE games are also available at tzd.com (TurboZone Direct), here in the U.S. Give them your business for Turbo stuff instead of Lik-Sang and save on shipping. They've been part of the Turbo scene almost since the very beginning, and they're still around!

Re:Sigh..

[mink]

I didnt realize they still existed. cool.

Hey this looks familiar...

[Crimsane]

Oh yea, i saw it before in theaters when it was called the chronicles of riddick.

Is it just me...

[tm2b]

Or does that game look like a big Chronicles of Riddick ripoff, setting-wise?

Not an example of X Box 2 graphics

[snuf23]

This is a nice pre-rendered CGI trailer. Read the information on the developers site. These are million plus polygon characters that show the overall look they are trying to achieve. There are some screenshots on the site but even these are listed as works in progress. They only show some architecture and working lower res models.

omg

[Anonymous Coward]

M3G4T0n...11!1

I eagerly await Peter Moore's next tattoo.

Xenon February 14 2005!

Real-Time renders?

[Mechcommander]

Well, I've been looking around at the official site, (Flash-based.. Eugh!) and it seems that they have some screenies taken directly from the in-game level available for you to look at. Not amazingly impressive, but definetely an upgrade to current consoles. Check them out at the official site.

I may be wrong but I believe that

[Polarism]

all of the media for Oblivion so far is proof of concept and tech demos, nothing that actually was produced for or that was shown running on Xbox 2 hardware. Not to mention i'm pretty sure it was all concept stuff for the PC anyway.

Not really.

[Kinryuu]

Our first look at what Microsoft's next-next generation console can do

Um. No.

OBVIOUSLY FMV

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow! That new EverQuest 2 game looks amazing! What's that you say? The commercials only show FMV that looks nothing like the in game graphics which are so crappy they are embarrased to show any of it in the commercial? Aww...

This video didn't have a single shot in it which looked like it could possibly involve actual gameplay. Also the level of detail was far beyond anyhting we can realistically expect the next generation of consoles to do. Expect the next generation of consoles to look like Far Cry, with normal mapping and stencil shadows, or Doom 3 with slightly higher polygon environments, but textures which are just as blurry up close, or blurrier.

Vapor... & not an X-box 2 game

[Foo2rama]

I smell vapor ware.. the site was first created in June 2003... The entire trailer was rendered... The website makes no reference to platform. And they appear to be making a film also at the same time. http://digi-guys.com/ is the parent site, and it is even more sketchy. The appear to be a 3d animation firm, that has not done any work, but they seem to have alot of toys and are very well funded judgeing from there gallery and facilities page. I will give them this though, they have some talented modelers and animatators working for them. Verdict not an x-box2 game. All the above info that doesn't state platform, and the fact that according to what was leaked about the next gen x-box how can you be developeing for the x-box2 when the specs are not even hammered down yet

Not Xbox 2..sorry

[ZephyrXero]

As has already been mentioned. The entier trailor was entirely pre-rendered. Anyone with any graphical knowledge can tell you that. If you want an idea of what the Xbox Next, or whatever the hell they're calling it, will look like... see the Unreal 3 engine. But, with this next round of hardware... it's going to be hard for even harcore gamers to tell the difference between the systems. It's time for a standardized console! One standard to play them all...