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The Future of Holograms

D3 writes "A Slate article talks about the failure of holograms to really catch on and the future of using computers to create true holographic video ala Princess Leia. The article covers some history such as the fact that holograms have been around since 1947. Lots of great geek-pop references as well."

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  1. Holograms by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 5, Funny

    all i care about is....is it a holodeck? if not then bleh.

    1. Re:Holograms by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've long said if you give me a holodeck and replicator I'm never (ever) coming out. If you cut the power I will kill myself rather than facing the real world again.

      Sadly I think this would actually happen to more people than just myself, which would eventually erode teh human specis into non-existance.
      -nB

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    2. Re:Holograms by Stone+Rhino · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, Scott Adams once predicted that the Holodeck will be the last invention that humanity ever creates. Wouldn't surprise me if he turned out to be right.

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    3. Re:Holograms by Mr_Icon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm coming up on 30 years of age. A couple of weekends ago I had a choice of whether to play a video game or to catch up on my language exercises. Believe it or not, declining Latin nouns appealed as something far more fun than whacking monsters, casting spells, or jumping ladders. This is not a decision I would have made when I was 20 or even 25.

      To some people, a holodeck, by the virtue of being a fake replica, can never replace the real world; and this will hold true for the time to come--as long as you are able to tell apart the real world and the world of make-believe, some people will voluntarily not partake in whatever the technology of play has to offer simply because they will perceive it as ultimately fruitless.

      Now, whether they will choose to procreate is an entirely different matter. :)

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    4. Re:Holograms by 87C751 · · Score: 4, Funny
      you'll have to leave the simulation at some point to search for and download.
      You have updated your simulation environment. For these changes to take effect, Microsoft Holodeck must be restarted.

      Of course, the rest of us will just do

      rmmod nportman
      modprobe nportman grits=hot
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    5. Re:Holograms by trs9000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If the holodeck were invented, think of all the pimps and prostitutes who would go out of business.

      man, that messes with me.... conjures up images of signs like:

      Holodeck Sale! Going Out Of Business! Everything Must Go! Total Liquidation of Stock!

    6. Re:Holograms by orion024 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really, it goes beyond games. I can see many instances which even "older people" who aren't interested in games might be interested.

      Imagine books and movies that are played out in 3D before your eyes.

      Imagine that your kids are now married, and have kids of their own. Now imagine they live on the other side of the the country. Wouldn't it be nice to see your kids and grandkids in 3D? You would actually be able to sit in the "same" room together to talk. Or holographic conferencing while at work with your employees 2 states away.

      You say you were studying languages? Imagine practicing your language of choice with a fluent artificial intelligence who is standing right in front of you. Or, heck, from a real person who is transmitted as a 3D holograph into your living room.

      Imagine building your "house" holographically first. You'd be able to see how it would look from the inside and out before the ground was even broken.

      Car manufacturers would be able to holographically build cars and get driver feedback on design issues before they cut a single piece of metal.

      Beyond all the porn jokes and the games, the applications for everyday people are numerous and limited only by your imagination.

    7. Re:Holograms by IronChef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Classic Star Trek predicted it long before Scott Adams.

      The bulging-skull Talosians destroyed their society because they mastered the power of illusion. The Federation considered the technology so dangerous that Talos IV was off-limits. (Spock illegally took the crippled Capt. Pike there so he could have some semblance of a normal life, even if it was an illusion.)

      Jebus, I am a geek for knowing that.

  2. HOLOPR0N!!!! by tonywestonuk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeahhhh Babyyyyy!!!

    1. Re:HOLOPR0N!!!! by mschoolbus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have something like that, its called a girlfriend...

      Although I think holopr0n would be better, more willing... ;-)

    2. Re:HOLOPR0N!!!! by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mine has glitches too. Most of her permissions are all set to user only, even though I'm in her group. Her interfaces are nonintuitive - half the time I end up turning her off by accident. I guess I should be glad she doesn't have world permissions enabled by default, like some people's models. My biggest complaint though, is that her volume control is broken, but that didn't show up until AFTER I married her.

    3. Re:HOLOPR0N!!!! by Fr05t · · Score: 5, Funny

      "AFTER I married her" - I bet that came with one heck of a EULA.

  3. Ugh... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Combining "holograms" and "geek-pop" in the same article summary conjurs up some awful visuals....

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  4. Safety Note: by Dorsai65 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not look into laser with remaining eyeball!

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  5. Now you needn't ask by earthforce_1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You need not ask anymore why somebody would ever want a 500 TFlop graphics card that runs at 4 THz with a petabyte or more of video RAM. Imagine the computational power needed for high FPS first person holographic virtual reality games!

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    1. Re:Now you needn't ask by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure you would need as much graphical processing power that 2D renditions of 3D scenes. A lot of the math involved is for the "camera" and answering the question "What would element X look like when viewed from angle Y?" If you're dealing with holograms, there is no "camera" angle to worry about, since that's determined by where your eyes are in The Real World.

  6. woo by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Slate article talks about the failure of holograms to really catch on and the future of using computers to create true holographic video ala Princess Leia.

    Larger image, higher resolution, and less clothing, and they've got my consumer dollars.

  7. Holograms...they are everywhere by teiresias · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So one day holograms became apart of our daily life.

    Say you leave a hologram away message. You're not just going to stand their and recite your message/joke/song. You're going to have to put in some inflection, some hand movements, and some facial gestures etc. Pretty soon, we'll have hologram blogs with people acting out their favorite movie scenes. Hologram ads will be next. Than hologram porn. Than hologram gaming.

    The future looks bright.

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  8. Since the article refers to the holodeck... by dema · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...we need a Futurama quote (:

    Kif: This is the Holo-Shed. It can simulate anything you desire, and nothing can hurt you. Except when it malfunctions and the holograms become real.
    Amy: Well, that probably won't happen this time.
    Kif: Computer; Run program Kif-1.
    Amy: This is so beautiful!
    Kif: Yes. I programmed it in for you! 4 million lines of BASIC!

  9. Re:It's not that they haven't caught on yet by delibes · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guarantee if you can duplicate R2's projector, they will catch on. Nah, if they can duplicate Leia in a gold bikini, they will catch on.

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  10. Re:It's not that they haven't caught on yet by bloggins02 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guarantee if you can duplicate R2's projector, they will catch on.

    The problem is, that's hard to accomplish. I would really love to see the same thing (i.e., a real holographic projector, just like in Sci-fi), but the problem is this: how do you tell the light when to stop?

    If you'll remember, R2's style actually projected the image in mid-air. So in order for a viewer to see that image, it meant that the light from the projector had to be sent to the viewer's eyes. Now a normal stream of photons from a projector would hit the floor, then bounce every which way. But no, what happened with the projector is that the photon stream somehow STOPPED in midair and then started radiating everywhich way so that your eye could see it. Not only that, but the light from the OTHER side of the image (relative to the viewer) somehow didn't interfere with the light on this side (or else you could see, for example, both sides of her face at once).

    Now as soon as you can figure out how to make THAT happen (not counting cheating by using fog or spinning mirrors), then you've got something.

  11. Storage? by Zugot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happened to the promised hologram storage?

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  12. I can't believe the article didn't mention by Tuki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The cheapest way to make a hologram: http://www.amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html

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  13. Print your own hologram (after calculating it) ! by chipwich · · Score: 3, Informative

    Speaking of holograms... for generating holograms without a laser (just your PC, a laser printer, and a transparency), check out the MedCosm CGHmaker.

    Anyone know of a really hi-res output device?

  14. ". . .have to hold your breath . . .20-30 yrs" by 93,000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA: "You'll just have to hold your breath for another 20 or 30 years."

    A drop in the bucket, baby. I'm living to 1000!


  15. Re:It's not that they haven't caught on yet by Xzzy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microscopic torpedos that blow up with little flashes of light at carefully measured distances, of course. Think of it as a really small fireworks show.

    Just don't make the mistake of standing in the projector beam.

    As the act of "seeing" relies on having light reflected into our eyes, and we're not allowed to give the light anything to reflect against by cheating with smoke and mirrors, we have to devise some mechanism to emit the light from where we want it to be seen, in all directions so it can be seen on all sides.

  16. Here is a big hint by John+Sokol · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Most things labeled as holgrams are crappy 3D effects. Such as those lenticular sheet 3D effects on magazine covers and breakfast cerial boxes.

    This word missuse has really discredited those who have real holograms.

    Then there are still image holograms such as the cheap Mylar prints that aren't too bad if lit right, but most people can't or aren't willing to get up proper lighting to display them effectivly. The fact that I can't just put a nail in the wall and hang it is a large setback.

    The glass plate holograms are very expensive but when done right are frightenly real. Like one a friend of mine made of his head with a pulsed ruby laser. I really looks like a decapitated head in a box, in almost any lighting. He was showing it at a fleamarket and people would call the cops, or completely go histerical in horror screaming and crying, thinking is was a real head in a box (except it was just a flat glass palate)

    Here is the big hint now.

    Did you know you can digitaly generate a hologram compulationaly and print it on a laser printer, photographicaly reduce it and have it work as a hologram!

    A hologram is really just a black and white print of the light interferiance patterns (that are much larger then the wavelength of light used).

    You can even display these interference patterns in realtime using a LCOS chip if it's illiminated correctly,(mono chrome only) and product true holographic image. Limited to 1 inch across through and $5000 at the moment.

    So if it were possible to get an LCOS that was 14 inches across it would litteraly be like a red tinted glass porthole into another universe. Will all the detail and resolution of looking out side the window of your office!

    There was some very interesting experiments we did with this a few years ago. Maybe someday I'll have the time to write these up in more detail.

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  17. Holodeck by Traa · · Score: 3, Funny

    [Engineering Log: Somewhere in the future]
    "Well, we managed to create a holodeck with completely convincing graphics. The problem is that the AI chick we where all dying to meet has fallen for the marketing guy and claims not to be interested in nerds. Well, damn."

  18. Volumetric displays, memories, etc by lgreco · · Score: 5, Informative

    Real time, photorealistic holographic imaging is quite difficult. For one it requires more than just on color. Holograms are produced and re-created using monochromatic light sources. Not only you cannot have multiple colors you cannot even have different shades of the same color! Another complication is that for a sizeable holographic image you'll require substantial amounts of energy focused on relatively confined space. Your fire insurance premium are sure to rise faster than USS 1701D hops across the galaxy at warp 9.

    Years ago I saw some work from Stanford (Bert Hesselink's lab, if I remember right) on volumetric displays. Basically they used a crystal as a "screen" for holographic projection. The density of the crystal was better than that of air and it represented a stable medium (compared to water mist of other vapors) to project a hologram. It sounds like smoke and mirrors but it was quite impressive and you could see the hologram in normal light conditions, not only in darkened rooms.

    I think that with present technology, holographic imaging is not possible. Holograms, however, are a good basis for developing new kinds of dense data storage systems with true associate recall capabilities. Interesting work on this subject was done by groups at Caltech, Stanford, Colorado State, and UC San Diego in the 1990s. The February 1998 issue of the IEEE Computer magazine features a special section on this kind of technology.