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AP Reports Young People Use The Internet

prostoalex writes "You read a lot of stories about older generation either adopting or having troubles with Internet. But some people in this world cannot imagine their everyday life without Internet. The kids who went to school during the early days of the Web are now going to colleges and are demanding broadband, downloading music, sharing photos and posting to Web logs, Associated Press says. Most of the everyday tasks, like homework and job search, have migrated to the Web as well. According to the latest data, 188.5 million Americans and more than 1 billion people globally are online."

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  1. Ok... by krymsin01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where's the news in this? A story on slashdot about the fact that there are people out there in the world who can't imagine not having net access? Look who you are talking to here...

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  2. Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Korea, only elderly young people use the internet.

  3. I guess it depends on your country by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here in the UK there seems to be a shift in younger children (not late teens) back to more sporting activities , outdoor games etc and away from the computer/console. Also the use of the computer and internet in schools seems to have been a bit of white elephant as letting kids just surf is no substitute for proper teaching.

    1. Re:I guess it depends on your country by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bet you'd struggle to find one in 50 who had ever even written a hello world in qbasic, one in 500 who could do the same in C

      And what has that to do with a person's ability to use a computer as a teaching aid? If they're supposed to be teaching computing then sure; if they're just supposed to be *teaching*, though, and are using the computer as another tool, like exercise books and a blackboard are tools, then what does it matter? As long as they *can* use it, they should be fine.

    2. Re:I guess it depends on your country by mikey_boy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the same as driving a car, but not having the faintest idea how to fill up the tank or washer fluid, or to check the oil etc. If a person knows how a device works then they are less likely to have a problem using it or to be afraid of it.

      no it's not. Checking the oil, filling up with gas etc would be more analogous(sp?) to clearing out temp files, keeping the computer patched, knowing not to run exe files from the untrusted sources, that kind of thing.

      Being able to program simple files would be something like changing a spark plug, changing the filters etc. Something that you can do with a little bit of understanding, but really something that most people leave to the mechanic when they get the car serviced.

    3. Re:I guess it depends on your country by jav1231 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're obviously a programmer. Technical knowledge doesn't always equate to programming. In fact, I'd say programming often doesn't equate to technical knowledge. On one of my past jobs, I'd get calls from programmers about an OS issue. I'd askt hem basic troubleshooting questions about their configuration. "I dunno, that's the OS" or "I dunno, that's hardware." I realize that's becoming less the case these days (and UNIX and Linux platform programmers are definitely an exception) but it happens, I imagine. I'd consider my technical knowledge pretty good but I can't program in C or any other serious language.

    4. Re:I guess it depends on your country by HoldenCaulfield · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I agree in spirit with what you've said, it's worth noting that for computers to effectively be used in the classroom, we're asking a lot of our teachers. In my mind, for a school to justify using a computer in the classroom as a teaching aid, a teacher has to be comfortable with the tech, realize that a computer crashing isn't the end of the world, and then come up with innovative ways to use a computer, so it's not just a glorified blackboard. In my experience teaching, most schools (K-12) are still at the point where computers (and more tech oriented stuff in general) are just sort of gee-whiz devices, with lots of bells and whistles.

      There's definitely still a lot of entrenched teachers who are thinking "Why bother?" when it comes to computers, as there may be relucatnace to learn something new, and also the benefits from bothering to learn it are slim to none - i.e. they've been teaching for 20 years, and it's worked so far, why switch now?

      Part of me thinks it's going to take a killer app of sorts for computers to really take off as learning tools - classroom management you already see them being used (worksheets, networked grade programs, e-mail, etc), but as teaching devices, they're not quite there . . .

      Anyway, to get back to the original "hello world" example, teachers who can do that, are going to be more likely to take risks and experiment using the technology in the classroom, than the teacher who all they can do is use the internet and office apps. So, there is definitely some benefit to having teachers who are traditional hackers of sorts . . . though it's disappointing sometimes to realize how few teachers are like this . . .

  4. Duh by Roger+Keith+Barrett · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Young people use the internet" ==
    "Old people yell 'get off my lawn!!'"

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    Why don't you embrace your slashbotness instead of living in a dreamworld?
    1. Re:Duh by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't be silly, Old people use email.

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    2. Re:Duh by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Old people speak in complete, lucid sentences;
      Yng ppl spk n br0kn sms sp3k bc its kewl bbl kthxbye.

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      It would be cool if it didn't suck.
    3. Re:Duh by 0zzy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could give a rip about my lawn... "Get off my wireless connection! All you young people are good for is lagging out my counter strike connection with your illegal music and pr0n."

  5. Poll by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is the most sensless news post that has been posted in /. ?? any votes?,

    One for this!

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  6. kids use the internet by dncsky1530 · · Score: 3, Funny

    whats next? a large news outlet discovers blogging

  7. Obvious by bobbagum · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's an appropriate use of the Obvious tag for once. Hang on a minute... Oopse, Wrong site...

  8. young savviest ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Young people are now the savviest of the tech-savvy,...

    Yes, from my point of view, especially those who have failed to learn their native language ...

    CC.

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  9. News for /. by oexeo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The dictionary called, it wants its definition of redundant back.

  10. Holy Captain Obvious Batman! by chadpnet · · Score: 4, Funny
    In other breaking news:

    • We landed on the moon
    • We pulled out of vietnam
    • Reagan won his second term
    • stay tuned as more develops, I'm going to go figure out how to program my VCR...
  11. I'm confused. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
    Which of the internets are the old people having trouble with? The wood one?

    They should really restart their monitor. That usually fixes it for me.

    In all seriousness, can you even get the internets when you're old? I know my old people are still using Toltec Bead Messengers. Those guys can run like crazy (at least 22 hertz an hour), and you have a nice little belt when you're done checking your news-groups.

  12. interesting by pretzelsofwar · · Score: 2, Funny

    30-40% of Internet use at work is not work-related

    You mean getting to your site from ./ at work...

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    Simmons: Yeah I do that sometimes now..
  13. Thirteen? by Ex-Cyber · · Score: 2, Funny

    Time to make it thirteen, I guess.

  14. The kids... by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Funny

    "who went to school during the early days of the Web are now going to colleges and are demanding broadband, downloading music, sharing photos and posting to Web logs"

    Then discovering, to their sorrow, that these services are not free, but were provided to them by their parents. Grow the hell up.

    1. Re:The kids... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because Oligonicella is a fucking douchebag, and people like him are the reason the foes list was invented. If you haven't added him to yours, I highly recommend it. Look at his posting history, and see what I mean. Every single comment is just him being a dickhead and is completely uninsightful. Hey Oligonicella, you don't know everything! Take your pompous-know-it-all attitude and shove it up your ass!

  15. Re:OMG!!! by stormi · · Score: 2, Funny

    oh hello. just so slashdot knows, females do read this lovli page =) i wish i were half as smart as all of u, and i 3 geeks. it's so sad that alot of u dont get enough luv. i luv u all =)

    -stormi

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  16. 188 million americans eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thats alot of americans online.

    According to www.census.gov the current population of people in the world.

    U.S. 294,915,774
    World 6,404,645,282
    07:19 EST Dec 06, 2004

  17. Is this a good thing? by cozziewozzie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the longest time, I thought that the free exchange of information that the Internet brings would ensure that good ideas get spread, and that the overall knowledge of its users would rise as a result of being exposed to better information. What seems to have happened, though, is that people who use internet got stupider. Nobody can spell anymore (it's considered 'cool' to screw up even the most orthographically simple words). Arguments on internet boards (with a few exceptions) are getting stupider, and people who would get a good spanking IRL are turning into the most obnoxious flamers. Instead of using the vast amounts of information available to them to reexamine their views, people seek out only the articles and sites which support their already cemented opinions, with little regard to critical thought.

    Sadly, it seems that, while the Internet was ready to face the challenges of global information exchange 20 years ago, we are not nearly at that stage yet. Simply providing the tools hasn't helped the society as a whole to improve our level of communication, or to expand our knowledge through the availability of information (fringe groups like scientists excluded). Because of this reason, I'm wondering whether Internet in schools will serve the purpose I originally believed it would serve, or if it will simply produce a new army of AOL and MSN Messenger trolls.

    1. Re:Is this a good thing? by cozziewozzie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The internet, like anything else is what you make of it.

      I only partly agree. The internet is very unlike anything else. On the other hand, it IS what you make of it. I was hoping that most people would be able to make more of it, that's all.

    2. Re:Is this a good thing? by snap-hiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm with you, but then again I have come to never expect too much from the majority. When you expect people to make smart decisions you'll always be disapointed.

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  18. Re:No sh*t, sherlock by Clete2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's my exact thoughts when I first read this.

  19. We need more stories like this! by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me suggest a few, AP.

    Many Roadway Users Drive Automobiles

    Sleepers Using Beds Now More Than Ever

    Old People Not as Young as They Used to Be

    Study Reveals Phone Usage Common Among Americans

    1. Re:We need more stories like this! by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That reminds me of my favorite tagline ever:

      Studies show marriage is the leading cause of divorce in the United States.

  20. "These kids today" by RealProgrammer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More generally, each generation is more adept at using the technology it grew up using, and less adept at using what its forebears had.

    My grandfather's generation toasted bread on a stove or in an oven, usually burning wood. They got electricity in their homes so they could go hi-tech and use a toaster. Well, they needed lights, too, but perfect toast was a big draw.

    I'm a tail-end Boomer, born in 1963. My dad's generation could do trigonometry on a slide rule; I need a calculator.

    Dad knew FORTRAN and BASIC. I know many computer languages.

    I got my first computer, a TRS-80 Model II, in 1977. I learned BASIC and a little Z80 assembler. I needed to learn programming just to use the machine.

    My kids have had, as long as they can remember, at least one computer in the house, usually networked together and with Internet access. They don't know any programming languages; they haven't needed to learn any to use the computer.

    To my generation, computers were nerdy. To theirs, computers are more like TVs or toasters: part of the furniture.

    Recently I gave my 16-year-old daughter, who's not a nerd, a new computer, running Linux. I told her it was different, but that it was Free. Being an idealist, she thought that was Just Totally Cool. A day later she told me proudly that she had her CD collecton "programmed in" so that it had all the information about the tracks and artists for all her tunes.

    It's just part of the furniture.

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  21. The news is their stats are fucked up by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative
    The news, according to their screwed-up stats, is the big decline after next year, from 1.7 bln in 2005 to 1.21 bln in 2006:
    934 mln people worldwide are online in 2004. 1.7 bln will be online in 2005, 1.21 bln by 2006, 1.35 bln by 2007.
    Either they forgot a zero before the 7 in next year's stats, or they believe we're headed for a global war that will kill off half-a-billion net users in 2006.

    This was not news to anyone. This was not stuff that matters. This was just a shill piece by Clickz Stats - and you gotta kind of wonder about their reliability, since they can't count or proof-read. They're probably a Diebold subsidiary, or angling to become one.

    1. Re:The news is their stats are fucked up by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While we're at it - another misleading stat:
      10% of under-teenagers have their own Web site
      According to this http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=2, world population by age (original figures were in thousands, so added 3 zeroes:
      Year:2000
      0-4 617,204,000
      5-9 606,072,000
      10-14 604,898,000 (so, split in half, say 302,449,000)
      Obviously, there's not 1.5 billion web sites for kids under 13. It's only when you click through the link that you see this:
      Grunwald Associates finds that 10% of children ages six to 17 in the US have their own Web site.
      So, 2 more flaws. The "stats" are US-only. And, lLast I looked, kids between 13 and 17 were not "under-teenagers".
      #ifndef CLICKZ_STATS
      #define CLICKZ_STATS

      #ifndef FALSE
      #define FALSE 0
      #endif

      #define CLICKZ_STATS_FACTS FALSE
      #define CLICKZ_STATS_BRAINS NULL
      #define PATH_TO_CLICKZ_STATS_RAW_DATA "/dev/urandom"
      #define WHERE_TO_FILE_CLICKZ_STATS_STORIES "/dev/null"

      #endif
      Monday morning. It figures.
  22. Writing a 'hello world' by weierstrass · · Score: 2, Insightful
    in visual basic, or even C would be more like owning a working car, yet building a rollerskate out of matchsticks in your spare time.

    Users are not programmers. That's why programmers have jobs.

    You don't have to know how to internal combustion works (or even what it is) to change your oil and maintain your car.

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  23. The importance of Hello World by nick_davison · · Score: 2, Funny

    >> I bet you'd struggle to find one in 50 who had ever even written a hello world in qbasic, one in 500 who could do the same in C

    And what has that to do with a person's ability to use a computer as a teaching aid? If they're supposed to be teaching computing then sure; if they're just supposed to be *teaching*, though, and are using the computer as another tool, like exercise books and a blackboard are tools, then what does it matter? As long as they *can* use it, they should be fine.

    In my day, we had to make our own blackboards before we could teach, then go out to the chalk cliffs and hew our own writing materials from the rock face. We had to cut down our own trees, shred them, soak the fibers in water, dry them and bind them if we wanted books. Then our ma and pa would beat us to death with a broken bottle and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

    The down side was we never had any time to learn about the subjects we were meant to be teaching but we sure as hell understood how a blackboard worked.

    Tell young'uns that today and they won't believe you.

  24. Worse in Universities by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are some other faults with the networked/digital classroom.

    Powerpoint. I swear, PPT presentations make me more ignorant of the material. Professors just go wild with them, adding little obnoxious photos and animated borders, yet the entire "presentation" is about a page of text. Worse, most profs seem to do this for the sake of technology, as if having a projector in the room means they have no choice but to make useless powerpoint presentations.

    Some even abuse it, treating powerpoint as their personal publishing house with terrible results. There's a reason why they won't publish your textbook, ya know.

    The digital campus gets a bit ironic in a way when students have to print out all these files from various locations thus getting even farther away from the so-called paperless solution.

    When I first went to school we had books, lectures, notes, and labs (depending on the class). Now I have to print out all sorts of powerpoints, which are considered notes, take notes on the "notes," watch teaching skills fly out the window as profs just click the mouse and repeat bullet points like marketing execs, bring a laptop with me if I want to do anything productive, etc.

    I'm sure there's a good middle ground, but right now it seems computers in the classroom are still in the gimmick stage. The real advatages are outside the classroom, like websites with class info, grades, etc. Inside, its a mess.