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A Background of a 'Background Checker'

pamri writes "The Times of India profiles Jay Patel, of Abika, a firm that specializes in background checks, personality profiles, satellite or aerial Photos of any location besides other services in the US. It is now venturing into other countries including Canada and India. Abika is already facing protests from Canadian Privacy groups for breaching the Canadian Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act"

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  1. Personality profile? by REBloomfield · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hell, Google will do a damn good job of that. Hundreds of USENET posts and forum posts and website things, you can find most of my life out there on big ol' web.....

    1. Re:Personality profile? by THESuperShawn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "One interviewer checked my site before I came in (and I knew it) and he said that they didn't hire pot smokers. He assumed I was a pot smoker because I was a Grateful Dead fan"

      Sounds like a case of slander and/or deflamation of character to me. There are very strict rules about what can be said/asked in an interview (or on the job, or when firing, etc), and they are enforced pretty seriously. I know of one person who actually got in a little bit of trouble for giving a negative reference for an old employee.

      Always remember, you are interviewing the company at the same time they are interviewing you. If this was a person of authority, and I would assume they would be if they were interviewing you, would you really want to work for someone who made such accusations without backing it up?

      Just thin, whenever he found the toilet seat still up, the coffee pot empty, the TP roll finished off, spoiled food in the fridge, etc, he would be looking to blame someone.

      Even though it sucked he labeled you like that, it doesn't sound like a company you would want to work for anyway...

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  2. Recourse by Savant-Ben · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People may be shouting about it, but what international laws prevent this? Espionage? Isn't that for state bodies though.

  3. This was bound to happen by Large+Bogon+Collider · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since they are not a Canadian enitiy, they are not bound by Canadian laws. As such, they are not accountable to any but likely much less strict Indian laws. So how does one deal with this? Either 1) Make whomever uses the service (in Canada) be liable, 2) enact international laws via UN or such, or 3) stick head in ground and hope problems go away. This is another problem that comes with being a global community.

    1. Re:This was bound to happen by normandr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This person does not have privileged access to information about me. He is just collecting what is out there. This is just a snow storm in a teapot. You can sue if you are being defamed.

    2. Re:This was bound to happen by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The issue isn't principle - it is practicality.

      Suppose somebody from Sealand travels to Canada and kills somebody. Then they fly back to Sealand before the crime is discovered.

      Clearly the broke Canadian law. However, the fact is that the Canadians can't do anything about it except invade Sealand, impose sanctions of some sort on the entire country, or hope the guy flys back to Canada so that they can arrest him at Immigration.

      The company in question gets lots of money from Canadians, but probably never steps foot in Canada, or has assets of any kind there. If they aren't violating Indian laws then the Indian govermnent will probably not extradite them. That is, unless the rest of the civilized world imposes sanctions until they adopt privacy laws. Probably won't happen - too much money to be made there...

      Many people break foreign laws all the time - perhaps by not praying daily to the local dictator, or whatever. As long as you never set foot in those countries, there isn't much they can do about it. This is usually a good thing, but sometimes a bad thing. Then again, the average Indian probably could care less about Canadian privacy laws - they're just happy for the extra jobs...

    3. Re:This was bound to happen by tonyr60 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Clearly the broke Canadian law. However, the fact is that the Canadians can't do anything about it except invade Sealand, impose sanctions of some sort on the entire country, or hope the guy flys back to Canada so that they can arrest him at Immigration."

      You forgot extradition. So Canada does not have an extradition treaty with Sealand, then just wait until the alledged criminal travels to a country with an extradition treaty with Canada.

      Extradition does work fairly well for capital crimes, as long as solid evidence is involved. Privacy cases, which may involve civil law, may be another matter though.

  4. he just doesn't get it by tuxette · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Patel though sees it differently. The root cause of insecurity and intolerance in this world, he argues, is that we know so little about each other. If everyone knew everything about everyone else, or at least had access to such information, there would be less problems. Besides, why try and hide things, when it is becoming harder and harder to do so?

    Perhaps the reason why we know so little about each other is that people feel the need to sneak around and dig up dirt on others and then use that information against them? If you truly wanted to know more about someone, then open your mouth and ask that someone.

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  5. how much longer by wcitechnologies · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How much longer will it be until we have a worldwide "people" database? How long until it has 6.x billion entries?

    I hate to be the one running around with a tin foil hat here, but I don't like this idea one bit. Although some see huge privacy implications in this, my personal reasons are more religious.

    How long until each entry has an X, Y, and Z associated with it?

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  6. This guy hates privacy by Ironsides · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If everyone knew everything about everyone else, or at least had access to such information, there would be less problems.

    Name one that would be solved this way.

    Besides, why try and hide things, when it is becoming harder and harder to do so?

    Because I don't wan't everyone knowing a lot about me. I like people not knowing stuff about me. Particularly things like my income (why should anyone care buy me and the IRS), ex-wives, speeding tickets, where I live when I don't know them, who I talk to and a whole host of other things. If I choose to tell someone or post something on the internet that is fine by me. But I don't want them finding out info any other way.

    At least when I submit to a government background check I have to give them permision first.

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  7. Re:Outsourcing Privacy. by superpulpsicle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who cares. Our credit card companies have more information about us than you can imagine.

  8. you don't get it by tuxette · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The problem is putting this bit and that bit of information about you in a profile and making an assumption about your personality and behavior based on this profile. Keep in mind that these bits of information are more often than not collected non-contextually. And more often than not, using this information against you.

    For example, borrowing a good example used here earlier, if you are a big Grateful Dead fan who goes to all their concerts and runs a website dedicated to them, you are a pot smoker.

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    1. Re:you don't get it by bloodredsun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But would you want to work for a company that was this stupid. Or a manager that relies on crude psychological evaluation from an unreliable and non-contextual source to excuse the fact that he can't find his arse with both hands and a map.

  9. Wow by Jakhel · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Comprehensive Background Checks, typically return Subject's Name, Aliases, AKA's Age Month & year of birth Date and Location where SSN issued. Others associated with SSN 22 year address/phone history B&W Satellite Photo of current location Nationwide Bankruptcy Search - Nationwide Judgments, Liens Search Nationwide Real Property Search Property Assessments Others listed at subjects address Possible Associates Relatives summary, names & phone numbers Voter Registrations Records Current Neighbors, Names, addresses, phones Court cases involving subject FAA registrations Drug Enforcement Agency Search FAA Airmen, FAA Aircraft Social Security Death Index Professional Licenses Internet Domain Ownership Corporate affiliations UCC filings (Business Loans) Aircraft Ownership Vessels Ownership Motor Vehicles, Motorcycles, Boats Ownership (FL, ME, MN, MS, MP, NE, NC, OH, TX, WI) Drivers License Info (FL, ID, MN, MO, OH, TX, WI) Concealed Weapons Permit (AR, FL, IN, LA, ME, ND, VA) Hunting & Fishing Permits (AK, AL, AR, CT, DE, FL, GA, IL, MA, MS, MO, MT, ND, NV, NJ, NC, OH, OK, UT, VA, WI)


    It looks like IT hasn't been the only victim of offshoring. Who would have thought that BIG BROTHER would be outsourced to India too..and you can have all that information AND a psychological profile based on past actions for $140. It's like a credit report of your ENTIRE LIFE. I'm almost tempted to get one just to see why I get hired/turned down for the jobs I apply to.

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  11. During a television interview... by DougDew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that was aired recently, the founder of Abika claimed that privacy is stupid and that he doesn't believe in it. In short, he declared his hostility to the very notion of privacy.

    Perhaps it would be possible to publish some of his family's private information on the web to test his conviction that privacy is stupid. Perhaps this could be done in the same way that folks published some facts from Poindexter's private life as a response to the Total Information Awareness initiative.

    Also, Abika's business model depends upon privacy. In other words, in the upper right hand side of http://www.abika.com, there is a "private, confidential, guaranteed" logo, which makes sense as Abika's services would be far less attractive to customers without such a guarantee. If Jay Patel really believes that privacy is stupid, then I challenge him to publish on his website the results of all background checks. More importantly, I challenge Jay Patel to inform the targets of background checks when checks are being performed and also of the identity of the requesters of the checks. After all, the major credit reporting agencies such as TRW are now being forced to report such information to the targets of credit checks, so why should Abika be permitted to operate any differently?

  12. and another thing... by tuxette · · Score: 4, Insightful
    He noted her name tag, came home, and using his knowledge of databases and search techniques, riffled through the Internet looking up information on her. He went back a few days later and surprised Angela with details about her life. He also told her how he had found out. Three weeks later, in a story that could make a script for a date-movie, they were married.

    What was it he dug up on her that made her marry a sneaky bastard like him in three short weeks? And how desperately did he need his Green Card? Or is that "none of our business?"

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  13. Globalization and communications by YetAnotherName · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More and more the technology for communications are breaking down barriers both physical and national. And it's precisely a "national game" that I see service providers like this playing more and more effectively. Previously it was just a megacorp that could set up operations in a foreign country, but with services become virtualized and products becoming not much more than information, even small fries can use their national benefits to provide what can't be gotten locally.

    What'll come next? Probably nations realizing that they're losing control that they thought they once had, and finally coming together. To globalize and equalize citizenship? Goodness, no ... to control all this potential with WIPO-like legislation and freedom-sapping rules.

  14. Data Rape by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just data rape, pure and simple. This company is gathering vasts amounts of your personal, public and private dealings over several years and then peddling that information to souless private companies.

    This is wrong pure and simple.

    I don't question someone's right to have access to "specific" data about me. i.e my GP needs to know my blood type, the taxman needs to know my income, the pizza delivery boys needs to know my address. But the wholesale collection and amalgamation of every possible facet of my life by people who have no business knowing anything about me, disgusts me to my very core. No doubt Mr Patel wets himself over the prospect of getting access to embedded RFID telemetry as well.

    Stalking is a crime. When stalkers are caught with pictures, diaries and details of people's whereabouts and dealings, this is usually used against them in a court case. why shouldn't the same apply to Mt Patel and his kind?

    This behaviour is inexcusable. Noone needs to know this much about anyone else and those that do should be prosecuted. Persons and Companies should have the minimum amount of data possible on any one person. Data is on a need to know basis, and they don't need to know.

    Of course, these dirty data raping fiends will argue on grounds of civil liberty(which they threaten), free speech(which they help to chill) and of course they play the happy smiley, "Our motives are purely innocent, you have nothing to fear" PR card, that will fool so many people.(That whole three week marraige story is probobly just a PR stunt) .They'll also bitch about how we have no right to privacy(while keeping their own records out of the public eye).

    Well guess what. I have a right to dignity. And if some private company starts selling off every minutes detail about me, every action I have ever done, every rumour, everything I've said or been remotely involved in, be it happy, sad, embarrassing, glad, hopeful, disparing or just plain private, to every slobbering data hungry slimeball that comes looking for it, I consider that a pretty big dent in my personal dignity pal! See you in court!

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  15. Re:My Fortress of Solitude by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh great, we get to become the 52nd State!

    Imagine another blue state with the population of California. I doubt that the present administration would want that.

  16. that data is available because we sent it there! by wotevah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe they can do this in India because we are sending all our information there for processing in the first place. Once it's there, it doesn't take too much to bribe someone to get those records.

    There should be laws that prevent any company from sending US citizen's private information overseas (with a very broad definition of "private", to prevent abuse). This not only will stop this leak, it will also keep some jobs here (medical transcriptions, marketing and all "data mining" business as it relates to person's activity or credit).

  17. This wouldnt happen if you had a decent DPA... by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Countries that dont have a Data Protection Act like *cough* the USA need to get one, and countries that do need to add a clause to stop any stupid loop-holes. Oh and also kick people like Blunkett out who want to shit all over the DPA for no reason.

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  18. Patel sounds like a Class-A citizen. by lysium · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The article mentions that Jay Patel saw his wife-to-be at the mall, went home and researched her on the Internet, and then returned to the mall to recite her personal life back to her. They married three weeks later.

    The guy sounds like a real creep, and now he offers services like "Sexual Orientation Check." Truly disgusting.

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