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Nintendo DS Modded to Play GB and GBC Carts

Steve E. writes "Apparently someone has made the first hardware mod to the Nintendo DS. An entry over at the Nintendo DS Livejournal Community gives detailed instructions on how to modify a DS to play legacy cartridges." From the post: "1. Disassemble your Nintendo DS. This step is fairly self explanatory, if you can't figure out how to take your DS apart, you should stop here."

94 comments

  1. I am suspicious... by Eshock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This seems a little suspect, in order for this to work Nintendo would have had to have included the GBC chipset on the DS, then disabled it for some reason. It can't be done via emulation because of voltage differences between GBA and GB carts.

    1. Re:I am suspicious... by GoRK · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Z80 CPU of the GB/GBC is basically built into the silicon of the GBA processor. It has really nothing to do with being a seperate chip of any sort. The modification works because the DS in "GBA Mode" is hardware identical to a GBA. The only other difference is that GB/GBC carts take 5V instead of 3V, which it appears is the main function of the jumper wires in this mod.

      It's likely though that after nintendo burns up their (presumable) back stock or order commitments of GBA CPU's that they will switch to a CPU that does not contain these extra elements and this modification may become impossible.

    2. Re:I am suspicious... by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Or they were planning on offerign some sort of stacked-cart like the old Game Genie as a "special offer" for legacy players - something very few will want, but might pay a lot for.

      How about a mod to get back the support for the GBA link cable games? That feature-death was a nasty one. Of course I'm being unrealistic - that's most likely impossible due to different architecture.

    3. Re:I am suspicious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the GB/GBC's Z80 is built into the same chip as the GBA's ARM7. The prototype GBA's used to develop the launch games weren't capable of playing GB/GBC games. I can't seem to find the articles about them - I'm guessing I saw it at IGN. The article seemed to give the impression that GB/GBC compatibility was made by adding another chip to the motherboard.

    4. Re:I am suspicious... by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Also, the Z80, while *very* useful, it's a relatively simple and cheap part to build, buy, or implement into the silicon of another chip. I think the design is even copyright-free by now.

    5. Re:I am suspicious... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Patent free perhaps, but Copyright free? Not in your lifetime.

    6. Re:I am suspicious... by pikakilla · · Score: 1

      Copyright law in the united states is life of creator + 50 years. So there is no hope for no copyright

    7. Re:I am suspicious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's +90 years now.

  2. This makes me happy! by Goosey · · Score: 1

    While the ability to play advance games was nice, one thing that really held me back from getting a DS thus far is my large collection of classic Gameboy games (many of which are still very fun! Link's Awakening anyone?).

    This isn't the type of news that is gonna make me run out and buy a DS immediately, but it is enough for me to give it consideration next time I decide to spend over a hundreds bucks on a toy.

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    1. Re:This makes me happy! by Eil · · Score: 1


      Why don't you just wait for an emulator?

      You may be out of luck for GBC games, but there is a rather good GB emulator (Goomba) that you can load onto a GBA flash cart with all your games. That is, unless Nintendo has done something to the DS to make it not read GBA flash carts.

    2. Re:This makes me happy! by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nintendo DS reads GBA flash carts just fine, so Goomba works as well on a DS as on a GBA. Two caveats:

      • Flash2Advance and EZFA flash carts are ordinarily written to through a cable connected to the GBA's link port. The GBA, GBA SP, and GameCube Game Boy Player have this port, but the DS doesn't. I'd suggest buying the EFA (Extreme Flash Advance), which is written to through a connector on the cart itself. if you want to run PocketNES and Goomba on a Nintendo DS.
      • There exists no publicly known way for GBA flash carts to access any DS specific features. This means you won't see SNES Advance ported to run natively on the DS any time soon.
    3. Re:This makes me happy! by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "one thing that really held me back from getting a DS thus far is my large collection of classic Gameboy games"

      WTF? Do you have a ceremonial hammer you smash your old consoles with whenever you get a new one? Is your SP going to vanish into thin air the moment you get your receipt for your DS from the store clerk? Or do people actually go through those "Trade in your old system and save $0.02!" deals at EB?

      The DS isn't supposed to replace or compete with the GBA, it's supposed to be "something else."

    4. Re:This makes me happy! by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      We got my mom a new Gameboy Advance SP for Christmas. My mom loved her gameboy classic and the only game she plays is Tetris. Problem is her Gameboy classic died and, well, she needed a new one.

      It will be the only game ever played on that Gameboy Advance... You can tell me what you want, but Tetris hasn't been beaten in playability ever since it appeared on the Gameboy classic. A Gameboy DS would be useless for my mom.

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    5. Re:This makes me happy! by koi88 · · Score: 1


      Do you have a ceremonial hammer you smash your old consoles with whenever you get a new one?

      Maybe he just wants to bring only ONE console with him when he travels...

      The DS isn't supposed to replace or compete with the GBA, it's supposed to be "something else."

      Nonsense. That's what nintendo says. They're both mobile gaming platforms, therefore they compete. If I want one of these, I will decide for one of them. I won't buy both "completely different platforms". They are definitely competitors.

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    6. Re:This makes me happy! by Kirby · · Score: 1

      Remember the saying, "When all you have is a ceremonial hammer, everything looks like an obsolete nail."

      *SMASH*

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  3. Why?? by cuteseal · · Score: 1
    You can pick up 2nd hand Gb and GbC units for under $20 bucks... why bother?

    Sounds like another case of Y?BIC (why? because I Can) or DSOTAOS (Do Something Outrageous So I can appear on Slashdot)...

    1. Re:Why?? by pluke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's very nice to have one machine that does everything. I would be interested in seeing if Nintendo did anything special for the GB and GBC games playing environments like they did for for the GBA. I wonder if they are going to phase it in as the GBA is slowly phased out. Is the GB and GBC hardware actually used by the DS to support anything else, ala MegaDrive (Genesis for my american friends) and its sounds processor being the old mastersystem processor?

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    2. Re:Why?? by Goosey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you have a DS, or want a DS for playing DS/GBA games... But you also have GB/GBC games then why would you want to carry two handhelds around when you could only carry one?

      Not to mention the article also includes a tip on increasing the wifi range, which certainly seems useful regardless of if you are interested in GB/GBC games or not.

      Sounds to me like another case of CBIMCAE (Complaining because I must complain about everything)

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    3. Re:Why?? by ajservo · · Score: 1

      What do IBC root beer and Tostadas have to do with anything?

    4. Re:Why?? by GoRK · · Score: 1

      No; the extra junk needed to support the GB/GBC (Mainly just a Z80 core) is not active at all with a GBA game. The z80 core cannot be accessed in any way from the "GBA side".

      As I said in another post, they probably plan on dropping the current GBA processor in the DS in favor of one without the vestigal Z80 stuff in a future hardware revision, so this modification may not continue to work until they run out of their current stock or order commitments on the chip.

    5. Re:Why?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sounds to me like another case of CBIMCAE (Complaining because I must complain about everything)

      And this is definitely a case of MUATLS (making up acronyms to look smarter).

    6. Re:Why?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DSOTAOS? that's just like you, you karma whore!

    7. Re:Why?? by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Maybe or maybe not. The original Z80 probably takes very few transistors. And in order to make a new ASIC, it will cost at least $100K. If the processor is actual custom silicon, and not just an ASIC, then the cost of the new processor will be much higher! I know that they will make a million of these things, but it might just be cheaper to keep what you have, rather than re-spin in order to save $0.05 per unit.

      Also, if they expect to build the GBA-SP for a while, it also makes sense to have one inventory item rather than splitting it into two. This just makes inventory control more complicated.

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  4. Well that was quick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone got a mirror?

  5. LMBTFTS STFUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me be the first to say, "Shut the fuck up, Donny"

  6. Re:rtfa? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    oops, I guess you can shut up now

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  7. Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Error

    No such entry."

  8. Why? by Mooga · · Score: 0

    Why didn't Nintendo make the DS able to play GB and GBC games to begin with? Especially since there are still many people who play the old games.

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    1. Re:Why? by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why didn't Nintendo make the DS able to play GB and GBC games to begin with? Especially since there are still many people who play the old games

      because they've still got a shitload of SP units sitting on store shelves and people still need a reason to buy the SP (other than the low price point), I assume.

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    2. Re:Why? by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      not to mention there does come the point where you have to just stop suppporting older models. Some of those cartrages are well over 10 years old now, and GBA's let alone GBC and GBs are a dime a dozen...... ok maybe 20 bucks a dozen, but you get my point.

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    3. Re:Why? by BigRedPimp · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget that the DS is not the replacement for the GBA. It is a 3rd, seperate entity. The "trinity", if you will, of N's battle plan.

    4. Re:Why? by Stubtify · · Score: 1

      Plus you can't sell new copies of old games if the console plays the originals. Just wait, you'll see a Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow cart come out with "updated graphics" and wifi network play for $30 someday soon.

    5. Re:Why? by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      The SP is still more desirable for many reasons: smaller size, less expensive, and longer battery life.

    6. Re:Why? by Lord+Apolon · · Score: 1

      ... it already did. It's called FireRed and LeafGreen, AND it comes with a wireless adapter. Of course, it's for GBA.

    7. Re:Why? by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      bigredpmp! you da man....

      um, spike666 here from #dsdev

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  9. Fake crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just FYI it was deleted from a moderator of that community because it's bullcrap.

  10. Umm...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want to hear any more non-sense about DS being able to be modded to play GB/GBC games. This is nothing by krap. Why? Well, grounding an already grounded wire and grounding the antenna isn't going to get you anywhere my friends. the pictures where taken from http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3530. The voltages do not match between the DS/GBA and the GB/GBC. Remember how the GBA units had a physical switched that was pressed when you inserted a class game? This switch turned off the ARM7 CPU, turned on the Z80 CPU, upped the cart voltage from 3.3v to 5v, and changed the wiring configuration used on the link port. Grounding an already grounded pin on the cart and grounding the DS's antenna, how exactly will that accomplish all of this anyways? ITS NON-SENSE!!!

  11. Joke? by eikonoklastes · · Score: 5, Informative
    From livejournal.com
    I don't want to hear any more non-sense about DS being able to be modded to play GB/GBC games. This is nothing by krap. Why? Well, grounding an already grounded wire and grounding the antenna isn't going to get you anywhere my friends. the pictures where taken from http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3530. The voltages do not match between the DS/GBA and the GB/GBC. Remember how the GBA units had a physical switched that was pressed when you inserted a class game? This switch turned off the ARM7 CPU, turned on the Z80 CPU, upped the cart voltage from 3.3v to 5v, and changed the wiring configuration used on the link port. Grounding an already grounded pin on the cart and grounding the DS's antenna, how exactly will that accomplish all of this anyways? ITS NON-SENSE!!!
    1. Re:Joke? by eikonoklastes · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:Joke? by lewiscr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Responding here, since I don't want to register to post at LiveJournal. For what it's worth, I have no idea at all about the DS or GBA. I don't own either and don't plan on it. IAAEE (Electrical. Engr.)

      I agree that the post sounds suspicious, but I'd like to play devils advocate. The refutation sounds almost as suspicious as the orginal post.

      > Well, grounding an already grounded wire and grounding the antenna isn't going to get you anywhere my friends.

      That depends on the current involved and the capacity of the traces. The extra current drain might be required to handle running the cart at 5V instead of 3.3V.

      I can't think of a good reason for grounding the antenna, but I can think of some plausible areas to investigate. Since the DS's processor contains the GBA's processor (stealing data from other posts). It's not uncommon for pins on these dual-mode processors to required grounding when it doesn't make sense to use the pin in that mode. You usually only find this information in the processor manual though, so it's unlikely he'd stumble acrossed it through expermental hacking.

      > How does connecting 2 points on the CPU allow you to magically get a Z80 to work, as well as having the correct voltage of 5v on GB/GBC games and 3.3v on GBA games correctly detected?

      This is an unusual way to change processor modes. The usual way is by grounding a pin or forcing it to Vcc. I would guess that one of the 2 pins is a mode pin and normally open or connected to Vcc, and the other pin is a Ground pin (possibly Vcc if the mode pin is open). By bridging the two, it's pulling the mode pin to the reference voltage of the other pin. Even if the pin was Vcc and is being pulled to ground, the current is general low enough that it would affect the battery life.

      As I mentioned above, I'm not saying the hack is legit. I just think the counter arguments are as flimsy as the orginal arguments. Have fun hacking!

    3. Re:Joke? by Eil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And will ruin your DS, thereby voiding the warranty.

      This is a NON-STORY and Zonk, the editor, should have some common sense beaten into him for posting it to the main page.

    4. Re:Joke? by tzanger · · Score: 1

      That depends on the current involved and the capacity of the traces. The extra current drain might be required to handle running the cart at 5V instead of 3.3V.

      HIGHLY unlikely -- even 5mil traces can handle enough current to take care of the return path for a 5V cartridge that is composed of a ROM and some memory decode logic. Not a nice way to ground a system but certainly workable.

      I can't think of a good reason for grounding the antenna, but I can think of some plausible areas to investigate. Since the DS's processor contains the GBA's processor (stealing data from other posts). It's not uncommon for pins on these dual-mode processors to required grounding when it doesn't make sense to use the pin in that mode.

      You can't reliably do that with a pin designed for RF, and I even have my doubts that the antenna is directly connected to an IC anyway, as you usually want signficantly larger litho for a power amp; usually (cheaply) done with a discrete SMT transistor stage. Even if the TX/RX switch were done on-chip you still wouldn't want to be muxing any kind of digital signal back in on that pin; you could likely work around it but feeding RF directly into a digital input that would be controlling which processor you're wanting seems a bad idea at best.

      Even if the pin was Vcc and is being pulled to ground, the current is general low enough that it would affect the battery life.

      Yes and no; you wouldn't have it tied to VCC directly, you'd use a pullup resistor -- you wouldn't be tying VCC to VSS directly, you'd be bringing the input and dissipating the power through the pullup, which would likely be several tens of thousands of ohms (i.e. fractional to single-digits of mA of current).

      As I mentioned above, I'm not saying the hack is legit. I just think the counter arguments are as flimsy as the orginal arguments. Have fun hacking!

      The counter arguments are certainly pretty solid, IMO. (and I too am an EE :-) -- possible but highly unlikely.

  12. Bad News and Good News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The bad news is this story is BS.

    The good news is, you can play GB and GBC games on a DS if you have a flash cart. ...And you can take that to the bank!

    1. Re:Bad News and Good News by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      With what, an emulator? The only news I'd heard so far was that you could use GBA flashcards in a DS to play GBA games.

    2. Re:Bad News and Good News by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Why not?

      Its all code. It shouldn't be that difficult to write a gba rom that wraps gb(c) roms.

      What I wonder is if you can programmically access the data in the GBA slot with the NDS game image.

      If so it could open up a whole range of options for coolness. (Like an mp3 player NDS cartridge that uses GBA cartridges as disks.)

    3. Re:Bad News and Good News by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      There are some free homebrew GB and GBC emulators written for the GBA. I always thought a project like that was redundant, but now it seems to have merrit. Basically, you can play GB and GBC games, just not from the carts. You have the have the roms on your flash linker.

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    4. Re:Bad News and Good News by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      The limitation here is processing power. I honestly have no idea if the GB/GBC games ran well on the GBA using an emulator, but the natural solution here would be to use the DS processor for these things, not the GBA processor. But since the GBA flash carts only seem to have access to the GBA processor, I guess we'll have to wait for a DS-specific flash cart. If it's even possible. Do they make flash memory that small? Time will tell.

    5. Re:Bad News and Good News by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      It shouldn't be that difficult to write a gba rom that wraps gb(c) roms.

      There is such an emulator for Game Boy mono ROMs, but it doesn't support GBC-only (transparent plastic) titles.

      (Like an mp3 player NDS cartridge that uses GBA cartridges as disks.)

      If you just want to play music from a flash cart on your Nintendo DS, you don't need to go into DS mode. Get GSM Player, which works on anything that can play GBA flash carts, and fit 150 minutes of music on one 256 Mbit cart (or less if you have games on the same cart).

    6. Re:Bad News and Good News by tepples · · Score: 1

      Two solutions are being explored on dsdev.org forums:

      • crack the encryption on the Nintendo DS cart bus, and make a cart that loads DS code from a flash cart in the GBA slot, or
      • figure out how to boot the DS from Wi-Fi, and then make a small dongle that boots the DS with a program that loads DS code from a flash cart in the GBA slot.
    7. Re:Bad News and Good News by Guspaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Following links fom within there, it appears that the DS's encryption has been hacked (Just today even), and working cart readers have been made. So progress is being made.

    8. Re:Bad News and Good News by shamowfski · · Score: 1

      More good news is you can play NES games, movies, music, pictures, and Ebook's if you have the gameboy advance movie player. It works flawlessly in the DS, and is cheap as hell. And lik-sang got it to me in 2 days from hong kong w00t!

    9. Re:Bad News and Good News by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      I'm talking offical game cartridge.

      Complete with Nintendo seal of approval.

      They already came out with a basic movie episode player for the GBA (Mostly just pokemon episodes and such)

      The Dual seat thing suggests to me a sort of data disk functionality like the memory cards for a PS2.

    10. Re:Bad News and Good News by tepples · · Score: 1

      I'm talking offical game cartridge. Complete with Nintendo seal of approval.

      So let me guess: You would never think of modding an Xbox, and you want to run only Windows and Microsoft-approved applications on your PC.

      But if you insist, Yahoo! has the Reuters story about a music and movie adapter for GBA SP and Nintendo DS.

  13. Re:rtfa? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    That'd be great, but TFA is a 404 now.

  14. Re:rtfa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oops, I guess you can get a clue now

  15. What's with the rush ? by MORB · · Score: 1

    The story is indeed a fake, that was so short lived that no one even seem to have a mirror of the original page around.

    Yet it got published on slashdot, apparently deemed worthy of it based only on a weblog entry by some random guy, and a few guy backing his assertions.
    Even with a defective bullshit detector, the absence of any picture attempting to proving that it indeed worked should have been enough to warrant at least a little wait for some kind of proof before slashdotting this.

    Now for a mandatory tetris history nitpick:
    The gameboy tetris wasn't the "original" one by any stretch of the imagination, as can be verified there.

    I remember playing it on amiga quite some time before everyone started raving about the gameboy version.

    1. Re:What's with the rush ? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Hell, i remember playing it on my C64 (which, FWIW, was one of the crappiest ports for that computer).

  16. God Darnit.... by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I was looking forward to GB and GBC games _finally_ droping in price a bit (you'll still plunk down $30 bucks for a MegaMan game at a lot of places). When I bought my GBA, I was looking forward to lots of cheap, $5 dollar games. These days I'm lucky to find something for $15....

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    1. Re:God Darnit.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnt the GBA megaman collection out? With all of the gb megaman games on one cart? ...looks like it to me.

  17. Voltage concerns by tepples · · Score: 1

    The Game Boy Z80 processor and Game Boy Game Paks also run at 5.0 volts rather than the 3.3 volts of the rest of the GBA's circuitry.

  18. Adapters by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or they were planning on offerign some sort of stacked-cart like the old Game Genie as a "special offer" for legacy players - something very few will want, but might pay a lot for.

    It has a history:

    • Sega Power Base Converter to play Master System games on Genesis/Mega Drive and a similar attachment to play Master System games on Game Gear.
    • Super Game Boy to play Game Boy games on Super NES/Super Famicom. A few Game Boy games even had enhancements specifically for Super Game Boy.
    • Game Boy Player to play almost all Game Boy, GBC, and GBA games on GameCube, but a few video-heavy GBA titles intentionally freeze on Game Boy Player because the publisher doesn't want people videotaping the FMVs.
    1. Re:Adapters by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Game Boy Player to play almost all Game Boy, GBC, and GBA games on GameCube, but a few video-heavy GBA titles intentionally freeze on Game Boy Player because the publisher doesn't want people videotaping the FMVs.

      That's interesting. What games are known for this?

    2. Re:Adapters by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I think it's less about videotaping and more about publishing rights. The publishers pushing the DVDs wouldn't appreciate someone selling "their" shows on GBA carts.

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  19. Re:rtfa? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    that's what you get for not having nothing to do all day other than hitting refresh on slashdot.

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  20. GBA Video by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    What games are known for [intentionally freezing on Game Boy Player]?

    Not "games" per se. Unlike the PlayStation 2 and Xbox video game consoles, the GameCube cannot output Macrovision Video copy protection signals.

    1. Re:GBA Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, who the hell would wanna tape it. It's so people can't see the shitty qual of the videos on a big screen. It'd be too obvious.

    2. Re:GBA Video by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Ah, ok. *files that one under "Annoying, but will never effect me*

    3. Re:GBA Video by squall14716 · · Score: 0

      Besides, you could always just emulate it and save it as a video with VisualBoyAdvanced. XviD <3.

  21. LJ Drama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    it would appear that the community mod deleted the post. however, in the meantime, the original poster has submitted photos and a link where you can read the text of the original mod instructions, along with extra photos.

  22. memento by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DON'T BELIEVE HIS LIES

  23. NO SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.

    Yes, it'll void your warranty. YOU'RE DISASSEMBLING YOUR UNIT. And even more so, SOLDERING SHIT.

    And I disagree, Zonk had every right to post it. Quit crying about the editors and go blow a load in a hot dog bun.

  24. Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I can beleive now that I have at least seen some pictures. The only thing wrong I see it that there is no switch, so you can't go between GB and GBA modes, although I doubt that would be too much trouble to install.

    2. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by NeoChaosX · · Score: 1

      Somebody update the link! Don't want to have all the visitors be disappointed by that LJ Error page.

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    3. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Goosey · · Score: 1

      I think your jumping to conclusions in assuming that it can't still play GBA/DS games. He hasn't said if it can, or if it can not. Either way I will definently be watching this guys Livejournal in hopes of finding out!

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    4. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, update it with this link, which proves it's all just a hoax. C'mon people, if it was this simple Nintendo would've just built in GB/GBC compatibility in the first place.

    5. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I make the conclusion concerning the GBA/GB bit at least based on the fact the GBA has a physical switch that goes between GB and GBA modes (with the 5v and non-multiplexed bus for GB and 3.3v and multiplexed bus for GBA)
      I wouldn't think this would effect the DS side, but yeah, only people who have done it can tell.

    6. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link to the whole article about the hoax instead of just the one picture. Also the pictures in the GP link are the same ones as this debuffing the hoax link.

    7. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, go ahead and point to that link. Just a few minutes ago, I informed the picture host that Darklain was hotlinking to his images like an idiot. Go ahead and see what's there now... MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    8. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you silence the people trying to disprove it by removing their ammo.(Abit if they had been wise they would have migrated the photos to their own server). While the pictures that exist now seem to be sizewise larger so it isn't a bandwidth saving. (Actually I haven't done a good check, and I don't want to gouge out my eyes tonight, maybe after I am done with finals in about 9 hours)

      I probably would have just gone with the nice "BANDWIDTH THEIF" because now you will have people annoyned at the original LJ poster because they are soo afraid of people pointing out this hoax (which it looks more and more like, the insides photos ripped from Lik-Sang(They are to similar to be chance, the fact that the one with the more general view of the DS stops going the one direction the MOMENT the Lik-Sang logo shows up), the unbroken serial number label, the pokèmon screen with no color similar to the emulator currently out) so they put shocker photos instead.
      Some how this starts to seem child-like with the photos becoming shockers.

      I assume that you are 'capnasshole' (if you aren't it seems that way based on asshole's posts in the LJ). (IE Suggestion for the said shocker photos, and then the "BRAVO" post later).

    9. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I am 'capnasshole'. Now, the "silencing people trying to disprove" theory isn't the exact reason for it. The main reason I do things is to exploit the stupidity of people. In the case of io_burn's NDS "mod", he is doing the same thing: exploiting the stupidity of people that would go out and ruin their DS unit by soldering the antenna to the ground and such, only because some asshole said it was possible in their LiveJournal. Anybody that stupid deserves what happens. Think of it like Darwinism. We're just pouring a little chlorine in the Internet Gene Pool.

      The shocker pictures is something that wouldn't have happened if Darklain would have thought ahead enough to copy the images over to his host in the first place. He has since done that. The whole point of changing the images is only to teach him a lesson, and that lesson is that you don't hotlink images, especially if you're just going to bust someone's chops.

      He didn't do it because he was afraid of someone disproving it. As a matter of fact, he was talking about how he pulled the hoax earlier on IRC, and his girlfriend posted two articles about it in her LJ as it was happening. The whole point of the hoax is just to see how many people are dumb enough to pick up a soldering iron without any electronic knowledge, and do something that they know nothing about. If they break their systems with this "mod", well, that teaches them not to believe everything they read, just like Darklain learned the hard way not to hotlink images.

    10. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop posting your shit here. jerk.

    11. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In those photos the DS is straight-up fugly.

  25. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. - DON'T FOLLOW LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Article's hotlinked photos are now Goatse like.
    Believe me they weren't when it was first posted. It was a fairly informative article basicly saying:
    A) The chip that they are jumping the links on has RFU labeled by it (RF Unit very likely), CPU is elsewhere on the board. (I think under the DS slot was mentioned)
    B) One of the case's screws is behind the serial number, in all the photos the serial numbers is whole and not broken, suggesting the case has never actually been opened.
    C) No colors, if it was in a GBA the pokémon game would be colorazied. Leads to the idea that it is a flash cart with Goomba(I think thats what it is called, it's a GB emulator (only GB mono, no GBC only games), and like many other GB emulators it "yellows" the image, on a GBA it is nice and white background) stuck in a pokémon cartridge.

  26. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. - DON'T FOLLOW LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgot if this was mentioned in the dehoaxing article:
    Look at his pictures of the insides
    Now look at Lik-Sang's pictures of the insides. At least the one showing were to run the wires. It looks as if they took the Lik-Sang photo, chopped off the Lik-Sang logo and added the lines. (they are to similar for it to just be a coincidence, I mean the pen mark is the exact same one and where the left side chops off)

  27. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. - DON'T FOLLOW LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also on the similar insides, the barcode on the other internal picture has the same exact numbers as the Lik-Sang one.

    So the insides are very clearly taken from Lik-Sang.

  28. Indeed a hoax. by Spykk · · Score: 2, Informative

    He came back with pictures after being accused of lying, but they have been debunked. Info avaialable here.

  29. Re:Decidedly NOT fake. - DON'T FOLLOW LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Realized that the picture with the barcode, all the insides might have that same barcode.
    However, not every picture of the inside stops on the same exact line that the Lik-Sang photo starts on.

  30. Cowardice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Responding here, since I don't want to register to post at LiveJournal.

    LiveJournal allows anonymous comments.

    1. Re:Cowardice by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      I tried to reply to a post, but it told me that Anonymous posting had been disabled for that thread. *Shrug*

  31. This is fake. Very fake. by KeeperS · · Score: 1
    Here's the instructions, complete with pictures. Here's the debunking.

    If you're too lazy to read the debunking, here's the rundown. You have to break your serial number sticker to even get at the screws to open the DS, and the pictures don't show a broken sticker. As for the screenshots with Pokemon running, they're taken using an emulator called Goomba. You'll notice that the game supposively running on the DS isn't colorized even though the GBA automatically colorizes GB games. Goomba doesn't.

    Most damning of all, the connections this guy says he's making are actually on the the wireless adaptor, not the CPU.

  32. It's about videotaping by tepples · · Score: 1

    I think [GBA Video titles freezing on Game Boy Player is] less about videotaping and more about publishing rights.

    I suspected that too until I read this:

    Because the Game Boy Player can be attached to a VCR or DVD recorder, the ability to play Game Boy Advance Videos was disabled to prevent illegal copying of Game Boy Video material.

    Unlike on the Xbox and PlayStation 2, there is no Macrovision chip in the GameCube.

  33. Hoax. by Audigy · · Score: 1

    For anyone reading this, hopefully you read this, and this

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