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Firefox New York Times Ad Hits the Presses

Dave writes "The long awaited New York Times ad for Firefox has finally hit the presses. Because of the vast number of donations the ad covered two pages of the newspaper. It's being timed to coincide with 11 million downloads."

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  1. Higher resolution image? by gimpboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone have a higher resolution image so I can actually read the names.

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    1. Re:Higher resolution image? by Kreldon · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:Higher resolution image? by TheGrim · · Score: 4, Funny

      "No occurences of:

      Bill Gates

      Found in this document."


      Must have ran out of ink.

    3. Re:Higher resolution image? by bunratty · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here's the alphabet for reference:
      ABCDEFGHIUJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
      You might want to learn it. It makes using phone books and stuff easier.

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    4. Re:Higher resolution image? by indigeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      A nice representation of all sections of people. Russian,Chinese and Indian names are common. Too bad too few women in it (maybe 1:50). Maybe Firefox is not a chick magnet after all...

    5. Re:Higher resolution image? by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does anyone have a scan of the actual ad, but with coffee stains, donut crumbs, and a few cigarette ashes on the page? I want to make it feel New York authentic.

    6. Re:Higher resolution image? by bunratty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't mind the extra U. It's there to break up the fight between the I and J.

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    7. Re:Higher resolution image? by frozenray · · Score: 5, Informative
      Those are "Community Champions", meaning that they got 10 or more other people to donate for the ad.
      Due to the large number of names and the semi-frequent changes and corrections on top of the way the names were sorted (by last name) it was fairly impossible to pull out the Community Champions separately. I decided that it also made more sense for them to be seen as "integrated" within the community, rather than segregated out on their own... AND, in some ways... the underline brings a sort of mysterious attention to them--the kind of special notice that they deserve!
      (from spreadfirefox.com)
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    8. Re:Higher resolution image? by WoodenRobot · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's a secret message. Those are the ones that will be hunted down and exterminated first.

      *dons tin-foil hat*

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    9. Re:Higher resolution image? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Funny, this is a free software project, right? So how come they can't produce a pdf that is readable in any free software project? Aka ghostscript (7.x), xpdf, kpdf, and gpdf all cannot render the names properly. I had to load acrobat reader (not free software!!!) to read the names.

      Probably because their priority was to make sure it was in a format the NYT could use. I note that it was made by Adobe InDesign; extremely unfree software in every sense, but pretty well guaranteed to print correctly. InDesign uses OpenType to a much greater extent than any other DTP app, so it's probably some font issue that's the problem with other PDF apps. Also it's a huge amount of text to have on one page, possibly they're just overflowing -- as just about every non-Adobe implementation is based on GhostScript I think, a common bug would stop them all.

      And of course Acrobat Reader is free, in the monetary sense, though I suppose you didn't mean that.

    10. Re:Higher resolution image? by samhalliday · · Score: 4, Funny

      and they randomly appeared in alphabetical order! what were the chances? ;-)

  2. Cheers! by orevo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It'll be interesting to see exactly how much this (wonderfully designed) ad will affect the number of downloads over the next few days. Here's to hoping this makes a difference with all the Joe User's out there.

    1. Re:Cheers! by tgd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The question is, whats the penetration of awareness of Firefox already among the particular demographic that actually reads the NY Times outside of the NY area.

      I'd bet a large percentage of people likely to see the ad already are familiar with Firefox, considering how much media attention its gotten in magazines, NPR, etc over the last few months.

      This strikes me as more of a vanity move than a real marketing move. If the intent was to increase browser awareness, the NYT isn't the place to advertise it. People Magazine is, or the Enquirer, or other demographically focused rags like that which target demographics less likely to already be aware of Firefox.

    2. Re:Cheers! by Foogle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, it's not that wonderfully designed. It looks nice, but in terms of marketing there are some serious problems.

      The word "free" is only mentioned once and in tiny, tiny type. If I were reading the paper, and I didn't immediately avoid this ad in the first place, I would probably never see that reference. And, not knowing what Firefox is, I would assume there was a cost attached.

      The giant "1.0" is worthless. The audience that this ad is targeting can get nothing useful from this information. They may see it and say "Of course it's 1.0; it's 'introducing'". Or they may see it and say "Firefox is out of beta?", but then this is a waste of advertising space for them, because they're already the wrong demographic. At worst they will see it and say "1.0? My browser is already 6.0", which is the opposite effect.

      There's also very little quick information available to differentiate Firefox from the audience's existing browser. There's mention of pop-ups and a lack of crashing, but it's contained in boring testimonials and a tiny little afterthought paragraph that has the smallest text on the page.

    3. Re:Cheers! by clifyt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is that?

      I know I'm a Mac biggot and one of the excuses for not running Macs in a lot of schools is that its not what is run in businesses. This is also the excuse folks make for buying PCs as opposed to something more userfriendly for their situation -- I can run my business software at home with this so I can work virtual 100 hour a week jobs and get paid for 40 of them.

      When you look at that tact and realize the truth behind it, it only makes sense that you put this ad into a paper that is going to get inside the minds of the PHBs and others that will determine what is run at work. Get a change going on in the workplace, where users see that this is a superior experience, and you will prompts folks to run it at home. Unlike all the rest of their 'work' apps, this one is free and doesn't come with any requirements that the end user needs to think about.

      It then snowballs into everything else. When the parents running this realize they are paying property taxes to go to idiot school administrators (hmmm...I play one of those at times -- unfortunately, the apps I run *REQUIRE* IE because the field I'm in is so specialized we can't run to other platforms when its mandated that if you are an accredited institution, you will use the same tools as others in your field to validate and rank your populations), but the parents will complain that students are looking at porn and otherwise because of popups that aren't filtered at the firewall, and the schools will slowly change where they can.

      And once you get this, it becomes word of mouth everywhere else. Personally, I won't fix my friends PCs any more...when they get bogged down with spyware and otherwise, I send them to browsers like this (my sis could barely use her computer because of all the crap that was hooked into her IE install -- most of which came directly from the cable company that installed her broadband). Since telling her to download this (and several spyware removers -- the IE spyware actually hijacked her where she couldn't even visit specific pages like AdAware's homepage), she's had little to no problems.

      So, get it into the hands of the PHBs who will then make it a requirement that we use this, all the while thinking it was their good luck to see this, and why oh why didn't the geeks in the basement know about this years ago...

    4. Re:Cheers! by jerkychew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think that increasing browser awareness was the number one goal here. I think that having a fullpage ad in a major publication like the NYT is a way for Firefox to show its validity as an alternative browser. They're trying to say that they're not just a small fly-by-night operation, but someone with the potential to take on the 800-pound gorilla that is Microsoft.

      Remember when Jobs came back to Apple, and they launched fullpage ads in the NYT, as well as Time and Newsweek? That wasn't meant to sell computers per se, it was meant to let the corporate world know that Apple was back. I think Mozilla is doing the same thing with this ad.

      It appears to be working, judging by the amount of free press they're getting from the event.

    5. Re:Cheers! by Wylfing · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Good thing you're not running marketing for me.

      The word "free" is only mentioned once and in tiny, tiny type.

      There are quite a few marketing negatives that go along with the word "Free," especially for software, such as "lack of quality," "unsupported," and "spyware-laden." The ad gives it the importance it deserves.

      The giant "1.0" is worthless.

      Not so. It is used pretty well here, actually. First, it establishes that this is a real product. Second, it establishes that it's a new product, which underscores the marketing message of opting away from something stagnant and old for something fresh and new.

      There's also very little quick information available to differentiate Firefox from the audience's existing browser. There's mention of pop-ups and a lack of crashing, but it's contained in boring testimonials

      Now you're just showing ignorance. Marketing has specific, limited objectives. In this case, it's prompting the set of readers who are sick of IE but don't know about alternatives to get interested and check out the web site. That's all. Cramming the page with browser features does not support the objective. And by the way, "boring" testimonials are highly effective marketing tools.

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    6. Re:Cheers! by fornaxsw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At worst they will see it and say "1.0? My browser is already 6.0", which is the opposite effect.

      This is brings out one of the greatest aspects of open source...they don't make something 1.0 until it really is a working version. Sure, closed source versions work and are generally higher quality than a non-1.0 open source project, but then they release 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 as if doling out candy on halloween. I don't know where I'm going with this, exactly, but I guess I just get a little peeved that users really will think version 999.0 of some closed source app is so much better than 1.0 of an open one.

    7. Re:Cheers! by Ewan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spyware costs businesses serious money to support, it's simply so common that even the best managed networks of any size get infected constantly.

      When organisations like Gartner are selling reports on it then it's an issue businesses are looking, and this ad will raise awareness about Firefox being one part of the solution.

  3. What are the chances... by YodaToo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...we could start a fund raising project to run a full-page ad for Lynx?

  4. I wonder if M$ will reply... by Mondongo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One has to wonder, will 'Monkey' Ballmer and his gang of miscreants reply to this? Will we see a big 'IE. Get with the program.' on the next days? They cannot let this stand...

    j.

    1. Re:I wonder if M$ will reply... by generic-man · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In 1995, IBM took out a four-page ad in the New York Times the day Windows 95 came out. It read, to start, "Pay No Attention to the OS Behind the Curtain." In four pages of graphics and text, IBM pointed out how OS/2 was so much better than Windows 95 would ever be.

      Being a big OS/2 advocate at the time (really) I was overjoyed by the ad. Microsoft never formally refuted the ad, and we all know how successful OS/2 would go on to be in the marketplace.

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    2. Re:I wonder if M$ will reply... by BorgDrone · · Score: 5, Funny

      No. We'll see IE, the leading web browser in the world with 80+ percent of the market.
      Funny, how that used to be 90+ percent of the market.

      In a few months you'll be repeating the same joke with "70+ percent"

    3. Re:I wonder if M$ will reply... by plazman30 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess the fact that IBM was FORBIDDEN from pre-loading OS/2 on THEIR OWN PCs in order to sell Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 had NOTHING AT ALL to do with OS/2s demise. If you can't get an OS pre-loaded on a machine, and you're a business user, then you're not going to buy. Why spend money on 2 different operating systems.

  5. Not very good by Trinition · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I looked at the PNG linked to in the posting, and i have to say, I wasn't very impressed. It sounds like something written by a bunch of open source programmers.

    They refer to the people who've downloaded it as "users". While, yes, they are users, I think the majority of the web browsing population doesn't use the term "user" when referring to themselves. Something like "... 10 million people from around the world..." would've sounded less geek-like.

    Heck, a lot of people don't even separate the "web browser" as something that is distinct. They think of the web as the Internet, their monitor as their computer, their case as their hard drive, etc.

    The ad did focus on the spyware, crashes, etc. which is good -- but, IMHO, they just didn't do it in the "average computer users" tongue.

    1. Re:Not very good by JaffaKREE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You would prefer "Ten million people from around the world have downloaded the internet to their computer" ?

      That is what I call redundancy !

    2. Re:Not very good by IainMH · · Score: 5, Insightful



      People aren't *complete* idiots. Anyone who doesn't understand 'user' probably doesn't understand any of the concepts involved.

      It's a self-policing system.

  6. Hidden Image or Subliminal Ad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love the ad! I especially like the hidden image on the first page (stare at the page long enough with uncrossed eyes and "IE Sucks" will appear in 3D). Was this a clever easter egg or just an attempt at semi-subtle subliminal advertising?

    1. Re:Hidden Image or Subliminal Ad? by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought it was Natalie Portman!

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  7. All you wanted to know about the ad... by Jonny+Royale · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a link to the folks behind the ad. Including a PDF version, a poster you can buy...and a place to put in the correction if they mis-typed your name.

  8. Re:I Too, would like a higher res version by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's my understanding a free copy of this ad is being included with every copy of the New York Times.

    High-res, too. One day offer only, though.

  9. The ad should highlight security concerns by cparisi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of the readers will be unaware that Firefox does not suffer from the security problems that IE does. They may simply answer the question: "Are you fed up with your web browser?" with: "Nope. works fine"

  10. Slashdotting an Ad in the NYT... by Reverend528 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This should do wonders for the NYT. I know I'm going to go out and buy a copy.

  11. Re:What happened to a little heads up? by jimwelch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They found out they could save a lot of money, by giving the paper permission to print during a range of days (space available basis). They paper would give them only a short notice (12 hrs?) that they placed it.
    Sorry for lack of details, I going from memory due to /. effect.

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  12. I disagree.... by dep01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I disagree. It is true that there are a lot of web savvy users that read the NY Times, but, speaking from my experience of people I've migrated to Firefox, you'd be surprised about the number of them who had maybe *heard* of it, but hadn't given it enough thought to give it a try. Perhaps this will give them enough of a push in the right direction so that they will actually give it a try. It's hard to motivate someone to go out to a webpage and download a piece of software to replace an existing piece of software, especially when they still don't have a clear picture of how much better the replacement is. It's like convincing someone to change to a newer, better tasting cereal, when lots of them really are quite happy with the cereal they have... If only they'd try that new cereal, though, you know they'd be hooked.

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  13. What's the marketing campaign by Lord+Brandon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While this ad is ok, I have ask what do the second, third and fourth advertisement look like? When will they run? How long will they run?

    In order to market this product, perhaps a long term campaign that stresses all the ways Firefox will make interent browsing easier would be good.

    One ad can simply state: "No pop up ads. EVER" with the firefox logo and link to download it. Another ad could highlight the best, most useful extensions. I think the weather update/forecast extension would be perfect for this.

    Also: Are there ANY ads appearing on the NYT website, or any other high traffice website? This would make it easy to download the program.

  14. Re:Not to sound grim.. by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, a lot of the security in Firefox was patched on after the fact.

    For example, older releases of FF/Mozilla had a ActiveX-type system that could popup an "Install Me" box when you visited a web page. When spyware makers started to abuse this, Mozilla simply changed the policy so it was impossible.

    But, the only reason they could get away with this is that the feature had so few legitimate users outside of 1 or 2 known websites. If Microsoft did something similar, they would break thousands of legitimate applicaitons (this is where the popularity/installedbase argument comes into play).

    Don't get me wrong -- FF did the right thing reacting quickly to Spyware installers, but it was still an after-the-fact reaction to a poorly designed feature.

    The old argument about Mozilla was not that it was "Secure by Design", but that it was "A Great Developer Platform". Developer Platform means extendibility means opportunity for hacks/spyware. There's always going to be interesting new applications of the extentions/XUL stuff that Mozilla will have to keep an eye on.

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  15. A vanity move? Or power to the local guy. by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This strikes me as more of a vanity move than a real marketing move.

    I paid for my name to be put in the ad. I admit it was purely for personal business reasons. I support and install Firefox all the time for me clients that are constantly bogged down in spyware. Having an NYT ad that will be framed on my wall with my name on it gives this unheard of browser more credibility in the minds of my clients. Gives me some free press as well even if I have to point it out to people.

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  16. Re:Location? by jskiff · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a certain irony in checking out the Firefox ad from a CVS...

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  17. Re:A vanity move? Or power to the local guy. by zCyl · · Score: 5, Funny

    I paid for my name to be put in the ad. ... Gives me some free press as well even if I have to point it out to people.

    Don't you mean, gives you some free press, but all you had to do was pay for it? :)

  18. Re:Wow!! by factoryjoe · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here are the final specs on the names:
    • Font: Univers Bold Condensed
    • Size/Line-height: 4.5pt/4.6
    • Tracking: -23
    This is slightly bigger than when the c|net article came out and MUCH bigger than when it was only one page!! In all my test prints, the names were fairly legible, and from what I hear, they look pretty good in the paper.
  19. Wow. by Oliver+Aaltonen · · Score: 4, Funny

    A geek's true Christmas wish come true:

    First name on the ad!

  20. Much wider exposure by TransmissionX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why not create a webpage with black and white ads for firefox in various sizes in PDF format. Then start a grassroots campaign where people inclined to donate could use those PDF files to take out small ads in local newspapers across the country. Prices of course vary but small black and white ads can be quite affordable for small newspapers which reach only a few thousand readers. I think such a campaign could dramatically increase exposure. ...just an idea.