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Defect in PSPs Turns Disks Into Throwing Stars

Headcase88 writes "Gamespot has confirmed a rumour in which if you twist a PSP in the right (wrong?) way, the UMD will go flying out of the portable. To quote the article: "...we were brave enough to use one of our precious PSP units to test the theory. Amazingly, with just the right touch, out it popped". I guess you could do this on purpose and pull off some pretty unexpected pranks."

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  1. Server to die in... by b00m3rang · · Score: 1, Funny

    3... 2... 1... Go!

    1. Re:Server to die in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldnt call that a defect (other than the owners defective intelligence), thats like slamming a sledgehammer into the DS and blaiming it on Nintendo when it smashes. The guy was obviously exherting a lot of force on the system.

  2. Here's a video of it! by itwerx · · Score: 4, Informative

    UMD Guillotine o' Death

    Now if somebody with more bandwidth than me wants to mirror it... Pretty please!

    1. Re:Here's a video of it! by Leffe · · Score: 1

      I think we'll twist your server the wrong way.

      I can't see how they missed this in playtesting or whatever they call it when you test a console...

    2. Re:Here's a video of it! by ASkGNet · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Here's a video of it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the....?

      This is not your server, and this is not your account on that server, either.

      Granted, you never claimed that they were, but others have assumed as much based on the way you worded your post.

      Besides, these videos have been getting hammered by the entire nation of Japan since this past Sunday. games.slashdot.org can do nothing to take down these files.

    4. Re:Here's a video of it! by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's *amazing*.

      The disk stays put after impact. That means it's being "shot" downward. Like, towards the floor. So this guy has proven that twisting the PSP makes the door pop open, and that gravity works. Amazing!

      Now all you need is star shaped disks and to try this from really high up.

    5. Re:Here's a video of it! by SetupWeasel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Besides, these videos have been getting hammered by the entire nation of Japan since this past Sunday. games.slashdot.org can do nothing to take down these files.

      Hmmm...

      That sounds like A CHALLENGE!

    6. Re:Here's a video of it! by itwerx · · Score: 1

      This is not your server [asahi-net.or.jp], and this is not your account on that server, either. [asahi-net.or.jp]
      Granted, you never claimed that they were


      So, what exactly is your point then? I should post a disclaimer?
      Okay, here you go:
      "As a long time slashdot user I know the effect a Slashdotting can have on some poor bastard's server. I sure as hell am not going to subject any of my machines to it so I'm asking for somebody else to step up and do the good deed before it's gone for good."

      There, do you feel better now? :)

      Oh, wait, I forgot: "these videos have been getting hammered by the entire nation of Japan" Augh! My psychic powers failed me again! Damn you for bringing back the painful memories of flunking out of Psych-101...! [sob]

      :p

  3. videos by Jukashi · · Score: 5, Informative

    heres a video

    and another, this time attacking a teddybear

    and yet another, of a psps assaulting a defenseless nintendo ds!

    this guy cracks me up.

    1. Re:videos by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      The server seems to be handling the load fine, but in case the files get removed due to excessive bandwidth usage, I've temporarily mirrored them:

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  4. Ninja Gamers? by MMaestro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe paint the PSP discs to look like ninja stars and shoot them at your friends/enemies?

    1. Re:Ninja Gamers? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 2, Funny

      You could have a special Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles edition that would come with UMDs that look like pizzas!

  5. All I can say is... by Richie1984 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..you'd better save your game often!

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  6. In the near future... by Aquatopia17 · · Score: 1

    ...Sony will license a PSP version of Ninja Gaiden, and integrate this feature into the mini-game.

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  7. PSP Ninja animated image. by Agilo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Redundant, but still (if you don't want to download a movie file):
    http://oohhhh.com/psp_ninja.gif

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  8. Re:What the hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony's Playstation Portable, or pocket, or whatever.

    A UMD is a Universal Media Disk, the format the PSP uses for games. It's basically a small DVD.

  9. Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe I say this cause I've been burned one too many times by shody Sony products, but this doesn't bode well for Sony's new handheld gaming business. Say what you want about Nintendo, but the quality of their hardware is first rate.

    1. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      werd! In the last couple of years, I've learned to avoid sony like the plague.

    2. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      this doesn't bode well for Sony's new handheld gaming business. Say what you want about Nintendo, but the quality of their hardware is first rate.

      PlayStation vs. N64

      PS2 vs. GameCube

      PSP vs. DS

      Yeah, we'll see who wins in the end.

    3. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by satoshi1 · · Score: 1

      Sony's won sales-wise because their systems break EASILY. Nintendo's won in the hardware quality department. And the game quality too, but no one seems to appreciate a good game these days. "OMG!! Dis game [insert generic Xbox/PS2 title] has l337 grafix!! It totally owns tht pikmin game!!" Pikmin was probably one of the most innovative games this gen, but it was pretty much ignored because "Nintendo is teh kiddy!! har har"

      Nintendo builds reliable systems, that's why I choose Nintendo.

    4. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      That's funny. I have two PS2s and they work great. One of them I've had since release day. I have two gamecubes too, but that's because the first one broke after 9 months. I play the PS2 way more frequently too, so it's not like I wore that first gamecube out.

      The reality of the situation is that when you make things, some percentage of them break or are defective. When you make millions of something, that can mean there are thousands of defective units. You can bet that a large percentage of people who have their unit break will complain in some public forum about it, but most people with no issues don't even read such things, much less post there.

      Let's see somebody post a video of what happens when you twist the hinge on the DS flip screen.... Oh wait, we won't see any of those because that would destroy the system, whereas it seems the PSP keeps working just fine after making these little video clips, so people will make lots of them just for fun. If you have your system break, you have a ligitimate complaint, but they're *all* still under warranty at this point. Everybody else is either incapable of making a rational assessment of a situation like this, or is a fanboy for one side or the other.

    5. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by TechniMyoko · · Score: 1

      You missed out on a lot of good games. I pity you.

    6. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed out on a lot of good games. I pity you.

      By my count, 1. I really wanted to play Rez. Otherwise, I got an Xbox/Cube/GBA/DS/PC. So unless you have all of these systems, you're probably missing out on a lot of good games.

    7. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by TechniMyoko · · Score: 1

      Actually, I do own all three. There is a lot more than just Rez you're missing out on.

    8. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, Rez was ported to PS2 from Dreamcast. So it sounds like you don't need a PS2 at all.

      Me, I have one. But I don't pity those without one, unlike Mr. TechniMyoko. You see, I have the ability to respect other people's opinions. And there are some frustrating times (like any time I try to play a blue disc) when I wish such-and-such PS2 game were avilable on my reliable GameCube or my trusty Dreamcast instead.

    9. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read your list. Found it amusing. Why?

      Beyond Good & Evil
      Wow, beats Wind waker in every way

      Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
      Ugh, gets too hard too fast.

      Resident Evil
      Bought it cause it was cheap, never played it



      So do you play games or just collect them?

    10. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooh, poster liked BG&E better than celda, I guess that means poster doesnt play games. God you're stupid. Ever thought that maybe that list is old and poster doesnt go ack to change descriptions when poster plays games? I notice one implies poster doesnt own a PS2 yet, I'm pretty sure poster does now after amassing 20+ games. And mario kart sucked

    11. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by TechniMyoko · · Score: 0

      It's Ms., and I didnt insult his opinon. I said he was missing out on a lot of good games. How does that imply I don't respect other's opinions? Maybe If I said only retards don't own a PS2 you'd have a point, but since I didn't say anything like that, you don't have a point.

    12. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I pity you." - TM

      Whether or not you meant this as insult, it comes off as one.

    13. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      BG&E is a very good game. Kinda oldschool lucasarts whacky wrapped around zelda-style gameplay. I don't know if it's better than Wind Waker in every way, they're of the same quality level imo. And yea, I enjoyed both, but I enjoyed BG&E a bit more. Then again I didn't like Ocarina or Majora's Mask as much as Link to the Past(Zelda, to me, is about throwing your sword with power when you fill up your hearts. What's been missing the past 3 console games, hmm?).

      I also own the two Resident Evils for the gamecube, and haven't played them yet(just haven't been in the mood).

      Now, Mario Kart... I don't know how anyone could think it was hard, even the really late courses aren't too bad, but eh, to each their own.

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    14. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by horsebutt · · Score: 1
      Let's see somebody post a video of what happens when you twist the hinge on the DS flip screen....
      Why would you be twisting the screen during game play anyway. The whole point about this, as seen in the videos is that it take a reletivly little twist, that could be done during game play.
    15. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Why would you be twisting the screen during game play anyway.

      Why would you be twisting the PSP during play? What gameplay motion involves twisting?

    16. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
      Ugh, gets too hard too fast.


      You're joking right?

      Please God tell me you're joking.

      I bet you cried when you started F-Zero up.

    17. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Atomic+Fro · · Score: 1

      LOL! You have played console systems, right?
      It doesn't matter if the game requires you to twist the unit or not, its going to be twisted.

      Watch people play racing games. You will see a lot of people "spinning" the controller as if it will help them turn their vehicle faster.

      Have you ever seen an adolescent lose a game? The controler will go flying into the floor or some other mass that gets in its flight path.

      With portable units like these, I can see how pressing up or down heavily on the directional stick while at the same time pressing heavily on the buttons might be enough to "twist" the unit enough to eject the umd. I am sure thats how the flaw was discovered.

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    18. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by TechniMyoko · · Score: 1
      I hate when you can spin out once and the whole team of AI passes you.

      Your Fzero crack was childish. For one, almost everyone admits that game was too hard

    19. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by mconeone · · Score: 1

      Why would you be twisting the PSP during play? What gameplay motion involves twisting?

      The whole point is that a simple accident can cause your game to exit and send the disc flying, possibly damaging it in the process. Kids tend to not follow standard procedure when playing games as well... It didn't look like an extreme amount of effort went into causing the disc to eject. Yes, you have to twist it a certain way, but the fact that it can happen with such little effort makes the product that much less desirable for me.

    20. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with gamers nowadays.

      It's not "hard," it's challenging. Most people want games to walk them through it now. Quite silly.

      If you didn't suck so bad, maybe you'd like games that were challenging.

    21. Re:Not the first quality problem with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Lot's of people think F-zero is bad, just cause you're some "gaming god" doesn't mean everyone who isn't, sucks. Face it, F-zero was made to be hard.

      And most don't expect games to be a walk in the park, they just don't expect it to be a walk through a mine field either, and have to redo a level 10+ fricken times.

  10. PSP defects? by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yea, I read about that too!

    Strange this is, this is a dupe by the SAME EDITOR of the SAME STORY in 4 days time! Wow!

    Zonk, are you trying to out Taco the big Taco?

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    1. Re:PSP defects? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I swear it's a conspiracy against Sony to keep the Nintendo handheld monopoly intact. There is no way we can average a new defect article every freaking day.

      I personally saw the DS at EBgames, and tried it out. Depending on how abusive you are, these types of articles can easily be written. Oh I pressed the button too hard. Now DS automatically have bad defective buttons. See how easy it is to make garbage news!

    2. Re:PSP defects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell does this article get posted twice? When someone else submitted the article about pre-release DS's CRASHING a while back it got rejected. (Later this same flaw was found to be in the release DS's, capable of crashing any ad-hoc connected DS in the network) Fake flaws for PSP get posted, while Real flaws for DS get turned down

    3. Re:PSP defects? by Rousterfarian · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. While Sony has shown to have created game machines in the past with defects, it seems to me that whenever Nintendo or MS do the same thing it gets overlooked by a lot of people. Most of it comes from the fact that since Sony is the market leader people like to pick on them.

    4. Re:PSP defects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DS doesn't "crash" do to ad-hoc. It gets locked out if it is a pay network, when you goto certain burger/coffee joints and pay for your internet, so you can't chat. The games are reported to still work when pico chat is locked out.

    5. Re:PSP defects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The DS doesn't "crash" do to ad-hoc

      I didnt say it did. I said when one DS crashes in picto chat, every other DS running pictochat connected to it crashes with it.

      It gets locked out if it is a pay network, when you goto certain burger/coffee joints and pay for your internet, so you can't chat. The games are reported to still work when pico chat is locked out

      Concidering the DS doesnt connect to Wifi hotspots at all as of this time, your explanation is flase

  11. I guess you mods didn't see the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, "3, 2, 1, go" was what the narrator in the game said before the disc flew out.

    1. Re:I guess you mods didn't see the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then the meta mods sure as heck wont.

    2. Re:I guess you mods didn't see the video by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of entertaining stories of people who screwed around with old Mac disk drives. Supposedly, if you tightened the eject spring, you could send the disk flying across the room upon hitting Command-E.

      Also had an external zip drive that launched disks a foot or so.

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    3. Re:I guess you mods didn't see the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of entertaining stories of people who screwed around with old Mac disk drives. Supposedly, if you tightened the eject spring, you could send the disk flying across the room upon hitting Command-E.

      Ah yes, the memories of the screams of siblings experiencing the pain of a broken thumb for the first time.

  12. Universal disc, proprietary to Sony, right? by b00m3rang · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't be surprised.

    1. Re:Universal disc, proprietary to Sony, right? by chrismcdirty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are correct, sir (or ma'am).

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  13. That PSP's a killer! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Look at the _bones_!

    Definitely a good idea to not import a PSP at this time. Wait for the US release; hopefully they'll have it fixed by then.

    Still, it _could_ make a handy concealed weapon...hmmm...

  14. very dangerous by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is funny until it hits someones eye. no joke. stuff like this should not be in the market.

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    1. Re:very dangerous by cluke · · Score: 1

      As Faith No More so memorably sang..

      It's always funny until somone gets hurt...
      And then it's just hilarious!

    2. Re:very dangerous by beakerMeep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really? From the videos it looks to me like it sort of "poops" out without much velocity. Although it is admitedly hard to tell for sure from these videos. And don't get me wrong, it's not exactly a good bug but I am just wondering if "throwing stars" is a little sensationalistic. But Slashdot editors are NEVER sensationalistic :) I don't know WHAT I could be thinking....

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    3. Re:very dangerous by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

      Ok, but technically Gamespot used the term "throwing stars" in their article. You should know that Slashdot editors are never sensationalistic.

      Tune in for "Microsoft ammases evil empire bent on domination of the galaxy" at 11 ;)

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    4. Re:very dangerous by Jacius · · Score: 1
      True, it's not like it "shoots" out, but it does seem to be spinning quite rapidly. Imagine the damage that could be done with a saw-blade shaped minidisc! Fanstastic!

      Perhaps someone could mod the PSP to launch it with more velocity? Then, it would truly be a multi-function device.

      -Jacius

    5. Re:very dangerous by Zangief · · Score: 1

      It is a plastic disc, with almost no pointy sides...

      And it does not come out with any force, so unless the kids are standing UNDER the PSP (not likely, since the fun part is not under the psp), they are not going to be hitted. And, if it does, it doesn;t matter.

      Of course, American's Ambulance chasers should take not of this one, and try to sue Sony into oblivion.

    6. Re:very dangerous by Jahf · · Score: 1

      A plastic disc gun (you know, the kind most of us had around the age of 5) is more dangerous.

      1) it shoots over a much longer distance

      2) it shoots a smaller diameter projectile (meaning easier to get to the eye because less chance of deflection by nose/glasses/head/etc)

      3) because of 1 & 2 it is alot easier to aim over moderate distances

      4) the gun is small enough to be hidden and light enough to be quickly aimed

      5) the gun is cheap enough that if you accidentally sling it / drop it / have it ripped out of your hand it isn't going to make you cry (giving you more incentive to use it)

      So do we need to ban plastic disc guns?

      Err, have we already banned them? Been a couple of years since I bought one on impulse to play with my cats (my 6 shot rubber band pistol works better for that ... and come to think of it is probably even more dangerous).

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    7. Re:very dangerous by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      i think foam is used now. I'm a kid of the 80s too and i never saw plastic, just foam.. think nerf stuff.

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    8. Re:very dangerous by Jahf · · Score: 1

      Kids of the 80's these days ... ah how I miss the 70s :)

      I know I saw them at flea markets in the 90s but even that has been awhile ago now.

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    9. Re:very dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's stupid enough to put their eye UNDER a PSP being held UPSIDE DOWN, while the guy holding it says "Watch me twist the hell out of my new toy" ? Those people stupid enough to 1) do that to their friend 2) gullible enough to do that deserve to have their eyes poked out

    10. Re:very dangerous by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I'm an 80's (missed the 70's by a few months) kid too, but I remember the plastic ones in the 80's and early 90's. Don't think I've seen any but the foam ones in the last few years though. Pondered getting a few for the office so my fellow techs could blow off a little steam but decided against it.

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  15. taking out the competition by Collision891 · · Score: 1

    This is Sony's plan to take out the competition, the Nintendo DS. PSP users will go to their friends who have a DS and then will have their UMD shoot out at the DS and thereby breaking it.

    1. Re:taking out the competition by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      There's actually a video of some guy using it on a DS...

      It looked like I could do more damage hand-throwing the UMD, FWIW.

  16. Mirror here by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Informative
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  17. hmm by seann · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Wow.

    Thats unbelievable.

    Wow, I spelt unbelievable right.

    That's amaezing.

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  18. Damage control mode....on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Put yourselves in check, fellow nerds. As much as I'm amused that Sony's decided to continue their institutionalized tradition of poor design and quality control with the PSP, and as earnestly as I believe that the PSP is doomed for third place in the handheld "wars," let's put things in perspective.

    First off, about the twisting motion. My friend studying in Japan received a PSP from her fiance. She tells me that it's possible for the twisting motion to be done accidentally, but it's not very likely. General consensus among the Japanese is that you have to treat a PSP more delicately than cell phones (of course), PDAs, or any portable system that's ever come out before, including the Nintendo DS. Apparently it doesn't feel safe to just toss it on the sofa or bed when you're done playing with it. That doesn't speak well for the durability of the PSP, although people do carry it around. It's better suited for use at home, where people already have home consoles, but anyway.

    Second, about the screen. It smudges as easily as any plastic screen smudges, and it's even easier to notice than on things like cell phones and computer monitors, because you're supposed to look at the thing all the time, but your hands have to be on it all the time too. Also, it scratches more easily than Sony wants people to think. My friend has already put a faint scratch on her screen by putting it uncovered in her backpack along with a ballpoint pen and other small crap. She said the pocket clip on the pen is what probably did it, so the early press from Sony that announced that it was scratch-resistant was only partially true. Apparently the plastic that Sony used to make the PSP's front face is about the same as what they use on non-folding cell phones, but that's still not very hard. That plastic covers the whole front of the PSP in one single piece, so PSP users have to use something as a case at all times, and most PSP owners apparently are in the habit of wiping off the face of the unit before putting it away. Apparently it's common for the PSP to have thumbprints and small scratches all over the front, if you're not paying a lot of attention to it. If you wipe it off religiously, keep it in some kind of soft non-scratchy case, and don't move your arms while it's reading a disc, you should be okay.

    About battery life. My friend only has Minna no Golf, and it goes for a pretty long time. Everybody there has heard about the battery life for big games, but she can't test it.

    About the off-center square button. My friend's unit luckily doesn't have a serious problem with the square button not registering, but she does tell me that it feels different, and she has to press on the right side of the square button to be sure that it's being pressed. Hers stil pops up okay as well. But the diagrams of the connection point on the mainboard where the square button is off-center have been circulating in the Japanese gaming press, so everybody in Japan is aware that the controls of the PSP are a little wonky and unreliable.

    Next, every shot of the PSP firing a projectile is taken with the unit oriented downward or horizontally. Many people have noticed this about those videos. When the PSP is facing up, UMDs don't normally fire out of the unit. The mechanism that opens the PSP isn't strong enough to propel the disc that hard, although all the throwing star jokes in Japan are based on the belief that it does.

    Next, MP3 playback. My friend borrowed a memory stick duo and headphones/remote from a friend, since she only has the base unit. She could only put five songs on the memory stick, because she didn't want to erase her friend's game saves. Apparently it sounds pretty good, but she's no audiophile, and never had any other kind of portable MP3 player. I sent her a test signal file to use with the Koss headphones she brought from the States (because I have the same ones, and I know how it should sound using that test file on a good playback source), but hell if she wanted to bother

    1. Re:Damage control mode....on by agraupe · · Score: 1

      Don't throw electronics around? Hmmm, makes sense. Try that with your computer and see what happens. Why is Sony bad because you can abuse its hardware without it breaking? PSPs are meant to be played, not thrown. Oh, but we all know that you are far too busy to actually walk over and put it somewhere nicely. This article, in my mind, begs the question: why would people twist the thing? I am not able to comprehend why even the dumbest person would *twist* anything like a PSP. I mean, why?

    2. Re:Damage control mode....on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's supposed to be a portable system. It's going to be put into backpacks, and moved arround. You'd think they would make sure that the disk didn't eject by accident. I could see someone putting it into their backpack, which I do all the time with my portable electronics (cell phone, gba, gba sp, nintendo ds, laptop), and the disk inside ejecting then getting damaged in their bag.

      Also the twisting isn't bending each end a full 90 degrees each. It' the normal twisting you would do with your hands while playing a PS2 game.

    3. Re:Damage control mode....on by zecg · · Score: 1

      Finally, the Japanese gaming community has made a huge deal about making fun of the PSP.

      Some links (preferrably to grapical content) would be much appreciated.

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    4. Re:Damage control mode....on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, yuko2ch.net/psp has lots of them. That's the same link that my friends in Japan IM'd me, with the flash toys and movies, etc. My friend still can't read it very well, but her fiance translated a bit for me. Apparently it's a compilation of links to funny stuff that 2ch members have found about the PSP. And yeah, if 2ch users are talking about it, it's pretty common knowledge among net-savvy people in Japan.

      I like the Sony and Nintendo employee visitor counter at the top. And trust me, I intend to ask the friend's fiance to help describe the importance of the Flash game where Ramen-man leaps out of the DS to attack the PSP owner, but is fended off by Guile. (Sorry for all the bother Mas, but you Japanese guys come up with some weird shit!)

      I found out on my own that the other big site (not the main one, but the first one) is the one that hosts the video that people in other threads have been posting on that Asahi net server. Just play with the URL to get to it. That site also has an access counter, where it shows that Square Enix employees, Sony, Nintendo, Capcom, IBM, Namco, Fujitsu, and NEC exployees are visiting their site quite frequently. Hilarious, especially all the Sony visits.

    5. Re:Damage control mode....on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's just one of those things that are inevitable to happen accidentally, that Sony really should have tested (or if they did, they should have paid more attention to it). Remember, I'm all for fair representation of the PSP, especially since a lot of people seem down on it for some of the wrong reasons (like because people think it's impossible to have two successful portable systems at the same time....which is crazy, since the PS2 and GameCube are both huge successes in their own way, that the fanboys will never understand). Personally, I'm down on it for reasons that I think are very logical, including the fact that it has a lot of defects that are surprising to me as a portable gamer of 15 years already. Those defects certainly aren't going to HELP Sony gain market share against Nintendo, and like I said, anything that Japanese electronics consumers can ridicule, they will. They just don't tolerate sub-standard products to the same degree that we in the U.S. might forgive or consider normal.

      Essentially, I think 15 years of indestructible GameBoys has led people to expect more out of their portable electronics (especially game systems) in terms of durability. When Sony, with all their hoopla, can't measure up, it's kind of funny to most people who pay attention to such things, like geeks and gamers.

    6. Re:Damage control mode....on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gameboys are no where near indestructable though. I've got an original with multiple full lines of dead pixels. The paint job on the SP's scratch to hell easily, the NES SP's were all RECALLED due to the massive number of dead pixels. The Super Gameboy occasionaly had power surges that wipes the save data from cartridges.

    7. Re:Damage control mode....on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My original GB has one column of dead pixels, on the far left. That's the nature of LCDs from the day, c'est la vie. But it didn't break or do anything weird like ejecting discs, and I can't see how Nintendo could have prevented this through testing (unlike what we're talking about here with the PSP's defects). The dead pixels developed around two years ago on my launch model.

      My launch day cobalt and newer NES SPs have no scratches/chips on the paint. And back on topic, they aren't functionally defective.

      There was no recall on the NES SPs. Perhaps you are confusing imagination with reality? Or maybe you're confusing Nintendo's announcement of a no-tolerance no-dead pixel policy on the DS with some imaginary problem on the NES SPs? Mine has no dead pixels, and neither do my nephews'.

      My Japanese SGB2 never caused any save problems. I got through Zelda DX numerous times on it.

      I'm calling bullshit on your post, especially about the NES SPs and the SGBs. Lame.

  19. Defect? by MMaestro · · Score: 1

    What defect are you talking about? This is a hidden feature!

  20. Did you read the comments on the first one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legions of fanboys didn't believe that the rumor was true. They didn't trust the website that was reporting it, they didn't trust the people reporting it.

    This is confirmation by Gamespot, which is a website clueless fanboys read regularly.

    If there's a story one day that says "Yokels report seeing yogi levitate", then it's hardly a dupe to post four days later "Scientific American confirms yogic levitation." The level of credibility jump is about the same.

    I suppose the equivalent of "American Physics Society confirms yogic levitation" would be "Penny Arcade confirms PSP defect."

  21. gamespot confirms it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gamespot confirms it: *PSPs are causing things to die.

  22. Gamespot? by techstar25 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The best part of the gamespot commentary is the line that describes where this rumor comes from ..."According to dozens of forum posts and lower-end game sites". In other words, sites run by game fans as opposed to Gamespot which is owned by the conglomerate, CNet networks.

    1. Re:Gamespot? by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, that is absolutely pompous. Though not as pompous as when they said that their reviews are mostly fact and not opinion. Quoth the FAQ:

      "'Wait, reviews are just opinions. Right?'

      "Actually, we don't think so. We make no excuses for our verdicts about games and believe our reviews stand for themselves. While our reviews, of course, do contain an element of subjectivity to them, we see the process of reviewing games as one that primarily involves the reporting of facts.
      "

      I think Gamespot has a few reviews that have nice dose of opinion in them, but that's just my opinion.

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  23. The bear video is a fake. by wheresdrew · · Score: 1, Troll
    It uses the same source video as was used to make this gif - http://oohhhh.com/psp_ninja.gif

    If you look at the bear video frame by frame, you'll see the UMD magically disappear after it "hits" the bear. Also, the blurring in the frame where the bear gets hit is clearly artificial.

    I own a PSP and have been playing Ridge Racers since last Sunday (well, not non-stop, of course). I have yet to have the UMD pop out because I'm not a frickin' moron who abuses an expensive piece of electronics. Is the PSP a NeGcon? NO! So don't twist it!

    The PSP is a lot more solid than people are giving it credit for. The "flying UMD" thing started as a forum joke on several Japanese message boards and has spread from there. It's not "news" in any sense of the word.

    What's next? Flawed window breaks when hit with brick?

    1. Re:The bear video is a fake. by fwitness · · Score: 1

      Dunno about the bear being a fake. I watched them both side by side, and they look similar, but why fake just one of at least four videos? With a bear no less. The one with the DS you actually hear the disc hit the DS. Could still be a fake, but I doubt it.

      However, I think that this is a pretty major flaw for an "expensive piece of electronics." If the videos are true, it doesn't take a whole lot of 'twist' for this to happen. No, it's not making spinning discs of decapitory death. However, it is making $300 worth of hardware fly out of my machine. If this were your PS2 spitting discs out would it not be a major flaw? The damaging part to Sony is that this is supposed to be a device that's handled and moved about, unlike your PS2.

      As to "Flawed window breaks when hit with brick." Well, I certainly wouldn't buy that window (it being flawed to begin with and all), and that's the point here. Sony is a brand new contender to this market, and has something to prove. They've proven that their product has some fantastic games, but also has some fairly serious flaws.

      Anything else is just flames and fanboyism.

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    2. Re:The bear video is a fake. by wheresdrew · · Score: 1
      I should have pointed out one other thing. The discs aren't "flyinng" out. They'fe falling out.

      In each of the videos the PSP is angled downwards. If you hold a PSP horizontally and hit the eject button, the disc will not fall out. It's only when you aim it at a downwards angle that the UMD will fall from the unit.

      What's this "it is making $300 worth of hardware fly out of my machine" part supposed to mean? The PSP doesn't cost $300 (unless you're paying importer prices or getting one off Ebay) and the games go for about $40 each.

      Aside from the "flying UMD" non-issue, which is entirely due to user abuse and not Sony's fault, what "serious flaws" does the PSP have?

    3. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fake? Even though the video is 1) shot at a different angle, and 2) has different contents on-screen when the disc ejects?

    4. Re:The bear video is a fake. by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 1

      user abuse? are you mad? the battery does not launch out of my nokia when I put pressure on it to text one handed. my ipod does not shoot it's hard drive out if I give it a little twist. my nintendo ds doesn't shoot out a cartridge when I do this... so how the hell can you say the PSP doesnt have any flaws you say? When nothing else on the market has something like this, its not a flaw? Plus there have been lots of reported flaws in Japan including a screwed up square button, and dead pixels on the screen.

      If I buy some electronic device and it costs more then... eh, lets say, $50. When I give it a little oomph, it should not be doing something like spitting out the game disc. (and they're not pointed straight down, from the angle in the lighting, and the path of the disc, I'd say this is closer to a horizonal position, more natural to what a person sitting down would be holding this device. So for instance, I'm sitting there, playing Ridge Racer, I get into the game and maybe wrench the unit as I lean with a turn. BAM! Disc lands between my feet. Screw that.

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    5. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If this were your PS2 spitting discs out would it not be a major flaw?

      Who the fuck twists their PS2? Or their recently purchased multi-hundred dollar PSP? A troll who hates Sony/Playstation and is doing this to discredit it, or a retard, that's who.

    6. Re:The bear video is a fake. by GregThePaladin · · Score: 0
      When nothing else on the market has something like this, its not a flaw?

      It's not a flaw, it's a feature!

    7. Re:The bear video is a fake. by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Umm... I'm used to Nintendo. Where things like this simply don't happen. Hell, I've dropped my DS from standing height onto asphalt and all it got was a little scratch on the case from the experience. The Gamecube according to X-Play is the toughest hardware out there of the current generation, and I've yet to have a Nintendo gaming product die on me in over 20 years. They also don't try to buy marketshare by releasing cutting edge electronics at a fraction of what it costs them to make. And they also have more than 2 9s of build quality. Say what you will about Nintendo, their shit is fischer price tough, and their customer service has no rival. I've come to expect that in my portables. I won't buy another Sony product unless forced to because of third-party support drummed up by the Sony fanboys or I have proof they've changed because the experience sucks ass unless you get lucky. And what bit of the experience is good is all third party anyway, and they go where the market-share is.

      So yea, I expect my portable hardware to take some fuckin' abuse, because it all has thus far(cellphone survived a dunk in a lake, shit happens). I also expect my hardware to live past a year, which Sony thus far has been unable to do for me since they entered the market(smoker, on 3rd PS2, went through 2 Playstations). Pardon me for not giving them the benefit of the fucking doubt, they haven't earned it and they certainly haven't earned anyone's loyalty. The Sony fanboy is the saddest fanboy of all.

      So anyway yea, that's a flaw. It might not be a serious flaw to you, but it's a flaw. Just as dead-pixels are a flaw in any LCD-based product, the media falling/flying out when the device is twisted is a flaw. More like flawed window breaks when hit by 5MPH gust of wind flaw. The fault does not lie with the consumer, it lies with fucking Sony.

      But hey, no one cares, they love all the third party titles guaranteed to come out on the platform if everyone else thinks they'll come out on it and they buy the hardware.

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    8. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've yet to have a Nintendo gaming product die on me in over 20 years

      Then you never owned a NES. Hell, even my SNES and N64 require blowing on the carts now.

    9. Re:The bear video is a fake. by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      I've had to clean the contacts on my NES once, the SNES might be getting due, but it's only played maybe a few times a year nowadays(FF3-US, Chrono trigger, maybe some Rampart with friends). Anyway, they all(NES, Gameboy, GBC, SNES, N64, Virtual Boy) still work. To this day. And I just gave my DS an extremely hard wrist twinge(while the screen was out all the way, and while the screen was in the second position[the angled one]), ala a bitch slap, hinge held up fine, snapped to full then snapped close. SP holds up fine to that too. On the PSP apparently that would've caused the media to eject. Treat with caution, it's potent electronics, not a toy. Blech.

      All of my old cart-based Sega stuff(didn't get a CD or Saturn[PS/N64 instead]) still works too, as does my Atari 2600. You need to blow in the cart(which was a common occurance even when the stuff was relatively new), and maybe clean out the contacts once every other decade or so, but it all still works. And this is all first-gen stuff too, except for the 2600.

      Theres a big difference between needing to rub down the contacts with a solvent once every 10-20 years and having to take a apart a unit inside of a year to clean and readjust the laser assembly, then still having the thing die on you within 6 months. Which has happened to me twice now.

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    10. Re:The bear video is a fake. by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 1

      glad to see someone jumping on the opening I left em. :P

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    11. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concidering that incident a few days ago where you called someone a troll despite them having photo graphic evidence, I think you're just one of the Nintentrolls blindly protecting his god. 1 out of a million NESs would've lived this long only having to clean the contacts once.

    12. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      my nintendo ds doesn't shoot out a cartridge when I do

      DS just snaps in half.

    13. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My launch day DS has already survived being sat on by my fat uncle and being dropped by my nephew from four feet above a hardwood floor. A simple twist would do nothing to it, nor would it cause the unit to do anything with either the GBA game or the DS game that's inserted (at the same time, mind you). The DS is light and is still built like a tank, just like the GameBoy lines that came before it.

      If, out of the 1.2 million Nintendo DS units sold as of December 9, any one of those people had physically broken their units in any simple way at all, we'd all know about it, considering the anti-Nintendo bias of the gaming press. But I haven't heard anything from anyone about physical problems.

      Don't you think it's weird that with only 200,000 PSPs in the world, so many flaws and defects have already been discovered, in less than a week since its launch in the one country where it's available? Shit, all those UMD firing videos were created and posted ON THE PSP'S LAUNCH DAY. They are a week old, just like the PSP. No, troll, the PSP is fragile, while the Nintendo DS is not. That last statement, as a whole, has been established fact for a week already.

    14. Re:The bear video is a fake. by suyashs · · Score: 1

      Thats the basic tradeoff for 1.8 GB of usable disc space...Sony has some experience in making portable laser assemblies and hopefully this (the UMD mechanism) is the result of careful analysis of the MiniDisc portables...

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    15. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 1

      No, It wouldn't. Even if you twisted it at its folding point it wouldn't break easily. I know, I own 3. if you twisted it while holding it naturaly like in this PSP video, nothing at all would happen except the plastic distorting slightly if you give it enough force. The plastic on these things is really thick.

    16. Re:The bear video is a fake. by harrkev · · Score: 1
      and I've yet to have a Nintendo gaming product die on me in over 20 years.

      Then you must not live in America, where the original NES was released with that awful front-loading cartridge slot. After much use, the "fingers" of the connector get bent out of shape and do not work. At my local flea market, there is a guy who sells old game systems. He actually has to replace the connector on any NES units that he sells.

      I am not bashing Nintendo. But I am saying that sometimes things happen, even to the best of them. But in all fairness, the NES issue only shows up after the unit itself is a few years old. The PSP issue showed up after the unit is a few hours old.
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    17. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blowing does absolutely nothing useful. Use a pencil eraser on the cart pins to eliminate oxidization.

    18. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I twisted a DS because of this article and the bottom LCD popped out of its frame. I'd rather have PSPs flaw where you can put the disc back in rather than DS's where you need a whole new DS.

    19. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that you twisted a DS because of this article? And you're "admitting" to breaking it that way? That proves it. You're full of crap.

      As an actual DS owner, who is looking at one right now, I am telling you that what you say is impossible, since the bottom screen is inset behind the casing. Internal illustrations show that it's quite a bit bigger than the screen window opening, as well. You'd have to do twist your DS with crushing force (not likely, considering the sturdy build and material composition of the case) in order to pop the screen out, and even then, a popped-out screen would be the last of your problems, since you'd be looking at demolished silicon and possibly also bleeding hands at that point.

      So now the question remains: Why are you lying, just like in your other bullshit post about GameBoys with imaginary problems? Did a Nintendo employee steal your girlfriend or something?

    20. Re:The bear video is a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you nuts? I played my NES for hours a day, practically every day of the week, for about 6 years, and the only trouble I ever had was dirty game connectors (aka blow on cartridge trick).

  24. ngage by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    funny ngage ws too hard to get a game out and the psp cant keep it in.. funny how thats really hard.

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    1. Re:ngage by wheany · · Score: 1

      What?

  25. Uh, no. by nobodyman · · Score: 1
    It uses the same source video as was used to make this gif...
    Sorry, wrong. This guy shot several different sequences. One with just pillow, one with DS, one with Teddy. They are shot from slightly different angles and feature different games being played. Besides that, seems a stretch to fake something that has been independently confirmed by multiple sources, no?
    If you look at the bear video frame by frame, you'll see the UMD magically disappear after it "hits" the bear.
    Go see an optometrist, now. This "magic" disapearance is due to the disc bouncing off of the bear, sliding down the pillow and falling out of view of the camera. You can clearly see this happening. Well, maybe not *you* personally, but I was speaking to the audience in general.
    Also, the blurring in the frame where the bear gets hit is clearly artificial.
    You work for Sony, don't you? When you look at individual frames of video, things that are moving tend to appear more blurred than those that aren't.

    Finally:
    What's next? Flawed window breaks when hit with brick?

    It's not as if this guy was applying a whole lot of torque to the thing. It's not a 90 degree bend, he's putting a slight amount of pressure in just the right(wrong) spot and pow!

    For reference, iPod's are designed to withstand being dropped from heights of up to 5ft (and I can tell you from experience that they can... repeatedly). This is to ensure that the product can withstand the realities of everyday use. So, wouldn't you expect that Sony would ruggedize this device so as to withstand your occasional button-mashing gamer? Apparently not if you want to get your product to market at the same time as your competitor.

  26. Solution by Kamalot · · Score: 1
    I totally know how to solve this problem! Attach each UMD (Unbelievable Mystic Disc) to a string/lanyard/bungie cord. Then, then the game mystically leaps from the unit, you won't have to worry about it landing on the filthy ground and getting gunk on the exposed surface of the disc.

    If you are REALLY good, you can swing the UMD through the air and land it back in the PSP, just like one of those ball-on-a-string-on-a-cup games. Man, it is like having a whole new game built into every PSP!