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Vioxx Replaces Porn as Spam King

An anonymous reader noted that CNN is running a story crowning vioxx the new king of spam, upsetting poor old fashioned pornography. Of course, for me all my spam seems to be about rolexes.

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  1. Same old spam by teiresias · · Score: 4, Funny

    vioxx. pr0n. same thing. it's all about relieving a pain in your muscles.

    course if you have pain in your muscles from pr0n you're uhhh doing it wrong.

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  2. Why, you ask? by exhilaration · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you're wondering why people would still want Vioxx, it's only dangerous if you a pre-existing cardiac condition. So if you're a healthy 20-something with a bad knee, you're probably really pissed that Vioxx got taken off the market.

    1. Re:Why, you ask? by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > If you're wondering why people would still want Vioxx, it's only dangerous if you a pre-existing cardiac condition. So if you're a healthy 20-something with a bad knee, you're probably really pissed that Vioxx got taken off the market.

      Who cares. All I want to see is spammers being sued into oblivion by the surviving relatives 80-year-olds with heart conditions click "buy" and subsequently kick off.

      We've got enough law enforcement resources to go after 12-year olds who download Titney's Pears albums. Why the fuck can't we have someone go after these "pharmacies" who dispense prescription medications without a license?

      The laws against illegal dispensation of prescription medicine aren't unenforceable like the War On Drugs Paid For By Handing Cash To That Dude On The Corner. These are non-anonymous transactions performed with credit cards and shipped by non-anonymous shippers, and often shipped across national borders over which law enforcement has a legal right to inspect packages for contraband.

    2. Re:Why, you ask? by Desert+Raven · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah yes, read one article, and suddenly an expert is born. And some other person, who probably didn't read the article, modded it as interesting.

      Yes, in many cases, pain relievers are not necessary, the pain can be relieved through other means. However, this does not make the drug "useless", nor does it actually have any bearing on whether it works or not. Remember that in trials, these drugs are most often compared against placebos, and had better results. So the truth is, they do work.

      And speaking as someone who lives with a person who is in pain 24/7 from degenerative arthritis, I'm glad they're out there. The problems with Vioxx are very unfortunate. It filled a need for a non-narcotic painkiller that was not so harsh on the GI tract. Hopefully, someone will figure out how to develop a version without the cardiac effects.

    3. Re:Why, you ask? by stam66 · · Score: 2, Informative
      While in your opinion NSAIDs are useful "in a few rare cases" and "in the vast majority of its usage is unnecessary and causing more harm than its helping" i'd be interested to know what evidence you base that on. There are countless double-blind trials proving the opposite, and in my experience as a physician that is simply untrue. Yes, there are side-effects which can limit usage, but the benefits are beyond doubt.

      There are a few pain syndromes where medication is not of help and may be due to psychosomatic factors, but arthritis is not one of these. Telling an arthritis sufferer their problems are psychosomatic is incredibly insensitive and my stop patients taking medication that can improve their quality of life. Don't get me wrong - NSAIDs and painkillers in general are not the answer to everything. But they are an important component. Please consider this before offering your opinion.

  3. But they asked AOL!!!! by thewldisntenuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There were plenty of other people to ask (SpamHaus, maybe the people behind SpamAssassin), but they ask an in-company division for their information on spam. Yes, spam is going down on AOL (as noted in a recent /. story), but couldnt they have asked others along with the numbers from AOL?

    Rant aside, Im suprised it was Vioxx prescriptions - most of the ones I get are for improving my sex life....Vioxx was just named deadly by somebody, wasnt it?

    -thewldisntenuff

    1. Re:But they asked AOL!!!! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

      little do the spammers know that in order to improve it, you need to have a sex life in the first place!

  4. actually read spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    There may be more vioxx spam than porn spam.. but which of it is CLICKED MORE? eh? EH?

  5. Vioxxis a temporary circumstance ... by stuffduff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Vioxx is a temporary circumstance ... while pr0n is a permeant condition. It's like the difference between "Out for lunch" and "Out to Lunch."

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    "Can there be a Klein bottle that is an efficient and effective beer pitcher?"
  6. Spam for Babyboomers by Ossus_10 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like the spam companies are targeting the baby boomer generation with Arthritis pills. This also happens to be an age group that would be less sucessful at knowing how to stop spam. Ossus

  7. Vioxx topples porn as spam king? by tyleroar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually what the article says is that Vioox prescriptions, ID theft scams, and stock pick information toople porn as spam king. And this is only talking about the spam received by AOL users, not all spam in general.

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    1. Re:Vioxx topples porn as spam king? by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
      toople porn

      Sounds nasty.

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  8. Wait a minute... by JoeLinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't Vioxx used for anti arthritis? Does that make any sense at all?

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by SpongeBobLinuxPants · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes...

      from http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/vioxx/defaul t.htm

      Vioxx is a prescription COX-2 selective, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) that was approved by FDA in May 1999 for the relief of the signs and symptoms of osteoarthritis, for the management of acute pain in adults, and for the treatment of menstrual symptoms. Vioxx was later approved for the relief of the signs and symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis in adults and children.

  9. yourname(misspelled) CH3ap Softw4res by the_bahua · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems that spammers don't even know what they're sending anymore. I get emails with no attachments, no links, just gibberish, with no possible way for me to be that one in eighty-four million that makes them some money.

    Is it not so much about money anymore, and more just about pissing people off?

    in 1924 perspicacity glutton mining. Because of!

    1. Re:yourname(misspelled) CH3ap Softw4res by cavemanf16 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's designed to defeat bayesian filters. If you're sending out millions of emails, and making a tidy profit, you don't want to lose that profit. So every once in a while you send out a million emails that are worthless crap, blank, not really selling somethings, etc. to confuse the filters. Then you send out the next wave of spam, wash, rinse, repeat.

    2. Re:yourname(misspelled) CH3ap Softw4res by temojen · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Try looking at the HTML part.
      arteriosclerosis irresistible for farthest midas checkerboard emphases visual cheese northern brownian bainite gambit
      translates as:
      Xanaax, \/a1ium, Cia1iis, \/iaagra, Ambieen & all popular medss
      No long questioning form, you pay & we shiip out today reedbuck
      Worldwide Shippiing garlic PR0M0TION RUNNING NOW:
      Cia1iis: from $96
      \/iaagra: from $64
      \/a1ium: from $70
      Xanaax: from $75
      Ambieen: from $68
      & many more meds for u to choose from

      Dont miss this PR0M0TI0N

      Limited stock until all sold out
      (this way please)

      quarryman contradistinguish chalkline . grizzle jovanovich gangster pennant biopsy scram beg hammond intelligentsia , ligand baptist stir bugeyed ; led barth transgression congener conflict agreeable , column babysitter mar fist follicle herald kafkaesque success .
  10. Vioxx by bsd4me · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are also some people who only get pain relief with Vioxx; ``equivalent'' drugs don't seem to work.

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    (S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK))

  11. Really? by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny

    Want a Watch?

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    RTFJ.
  12. Because you claim to be too rich. by TalShiar00 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rob, stop telling your credit card companies that you make $2.5 mil a year and you will stop getting rich-people spam. :)

  13. It doesn't matter... It's still spam by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 2

    I really don't understand why people take the time to diseminate what's being pushed in Spam emails...

    It's still Spam.
    It's still annoying as hell
    It's still as prolific as ever
    And it's still (arguably) illegal and unwanted.

    And really, wouldn't it be a much nicer world if peoples efforts were aimed at locating and physically beating the spammers instead of opening each of their emails and analyzing it's content? 8)=

  14. Only on Slashdot... by Ghostgate · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... could the first post get modded redundant.

    1. Re:Only on Slashdot... by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... could the first post about the first post getting modded redundant get modded informative :).
      And the first post about the first post about the first post getting modded redundant getting modded informative could get modded funny?

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  15. It's really disappointing by Ethanol · · Score: 3, Funny

    It used to be that all the spam was telling me to "impress her with my huge new c0ck". Now it's just telling me to "impress her with a r0lex".

    Neither one really speaks well of her, does it? But at least before there was still a certain animal physicality about the relationship. Now it's all about the shiny baubles.

    I don't know... I just don't think this imaginary relationship is going to last. Maybe I should get back out there, start dating again. 'Course, before I can do that, I'll have to do something about this crippling arthritis of mine...

  16. Lucky editor by Turmio · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course, for me all my spam seems to be about rolexes.

    Well how about that. Lucky you. To me they only offer replicas!

    1. Re:Lucky editor by tinkerton · · Score: 2, Funny

      in my case they're offering the original replicas.

      I suppose that beats the offers you get

  17. If it isn't Vioxx... by albn · · Score: 2

    ...it is Viagra or something to make your sexual performance better. All these pills, potions, and aides to make your sex life better.

    Now it seems sex is not selling as much as it used to. I guess it is time for the pills, potions and aides to make your knees, back or joints to hurt less.

    With all this spam filling my inbox, it is so frustrating it makes me give up, delete whatever is in my inbox and mastrubate to relieve the pressure of all this stuff.

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  18. more and more spam by barik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that recently, spam has been getting better and better at avoiding my filters. All the sex-related e-mails get tossed right away, but the occasional viagra, rolex, cheap software, or vioxx messages still get through. The thing is: the messages are almost imcomprehensible. Often times they don't even have a link to order, or only have a link, or have an otherwise completely non-sensical message.

    So how can people actually order this stuff? Half the time I can't tell what they're even selling. Someone has to be buying, or else spammers would at least make an effort to send e-mail that had, oh, I don't know, a way to actually order the product?

    1. Re:more and more spam by ocelotbob · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think they're trying to get around personal antispan filters, but rather ISP filters. Sicne ISPs are more sensitive to the issue of false positives, creating a bunch of crap messages throws off the baysean analysis and can potentially increase the chances of false positives. While you may not want spam and won't click on spam, Joe Blow who gets his mail from a big ISP may simply use his ISP's spam filters, and may click on those messages which are spam.

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  19. Don't really understand it anymore. by The+I+Shing · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's gotten to the point where all spammers seem to care about is getting past my filters. Of course, the end result is a subject line that's so idiotic looking that I immediately know that it's spam. Side note: I have to say, too, that Thunderbird does a great job of filtering mass quantities of spam from my inboxes in short order, on both the PC and the Mac. I've been spreading the word, leaving a trail of former Outlook-Express-users in my wake.

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  20. spam of the future by big-magic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's interesting that the article mentions that many spam messages are simple text messages with nothing but hyperlinks. This is exactly what Paul Graham predicted in his first essay on Bayesian filtering for spam. This definitely demonstrates that Bayesian techniques are having an effect on the behavior of spammers.

    1. Re:spam of the future by upsidedown_duck · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Also, they are being forced to use such bad spelling that I'm surpised that anyone can ever think they are legitimate. Like telemarketers, spammers can become extinct and no one would care.

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  21. Vioxx ? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is it ?

    Sometimes the slashdot summaries can be so vague.

  22. Why buy it at all? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who in their right mind would even *consider* buying drugs from a (probably fraudulent) source on the Internet? I can see why people in Third-World countries with no access to normal healthcare might, but they don't appear to be the target market.

  23. Do spammers think that no women use computers? by Claire-plus-plus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most spam I get is about enlarging my penis, something that being a woman I can't do, or pleasing a woman with my staying power (I can't have erections for some strange reason). Why is it that most spam is aimed at men when it is obvious that women use the net and e-mail as well?

    Today two out of the three I received (new e-mail address they obviously haven't found yet) were telling me to increase how well I can please a woman with exercises and drugs to increase my penis size. It is rather disturbing. One thing I want to know... do men actually think that increasing your penis size will make women ecstatic?

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    1. Re:Do spammers think that no women use computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      do men actually think that increasing your penis size will make women ecstatic?


      Yes, we do. Are you telling me it won't?

    2. Re:Do spammers think that no women use computers? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Funny
      Most spam I get is about enlarging my penis, something that being a woman I can't do,

      a) You're wrong, you can do this; it's just that your penis is attached to your boyfriend :-)

      or pleasing a woman with my staying power

      b) Actually, you can do this too, and you kill two birds with one stone if you invite your boyfriend to watch. See 'enlarging' :-)

      Hope this helps :-)

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  24. Wanna R()()1-E-X? by catscan2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rolex spam has increased for me as well. I'm currently using the following regular expression on our Astaro firewall to block them, which has caught the recent "rolax" and "R-O-L-E-X" variants (remove the extraneous whitespace):

    (?i)r[[:space:][:punct:]_]{0,3}(o|0|\(\)){1,3}[[ :s pace:][:punct:]_]{0,3}(l|1){1,3}[[:space:][:punct: ]_]{0,3}(e|a){1,3}[[:space:][:punct:]_]{0,3}x

    So, bring on the R0001ex!! spam :-)

    Hopefully, the next revision of Astaro will include Rolex spam filters in SpamAssassin so that I don't need to use this custom regex anymore.

    Here's one message that I'd love to see (and hopefully blocked):
    =========

    Gr33tingz, Dear Sir! I'm Dr. Jfjweaiofjweoif Iejfiowefjioe from an official bank in Nigeria and am trying to move $39,000,000 MILLION (million) US DOLLARS (United States currency) worth of \/1@gra pills and C1@li5 out of the country but need to confirm your CitiB@nk banking account details. In exchange for the sum of the transfer, you will have the opportunity to be a man like Britney Spears with real-like r()()()()()1eX watches with a screw-in bezel and a second hand that looks like the real thing. All you have to is click here (http://4.12.44.52:39/removeme/now.idc?really=yes) to install a FREE screensaver, which, if you're using Outlook [Express], should already be installed by the time you read this sentence! WOW! HOW CONVENIENT! Our online pharmacy is ready to take your orders for cheating housewives in your area, but HURRY! At these prices, they won't last long!

  25. Re:NULL body messages by dragonman97 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you look at the headers, you'll find that they're extraordinarily sparse. In some cases, the receiving server will add a little bit of data to keep clients happy, by adhering to RFCs (adding "Date:" and the like. As far as I can tell, this is being done as the most accurate recepient verification system they can dream of. VRFY is not accurate, as many receiving systems will say "Well, I don't know that address, but it's in my domain, so I'll try and receive it." If you do everything up to, but not including the DATA part, there's a chance the server might be sloppy or ignorant. If it accepts the message for delivery without error, then there's a decent chance that address exists. This battle is really getting ugly, and will keep escalating - there is no FUSSP, other than hunting down the spammers and stringing them up with piano wire where it'll hurt them.

  26. Your sig by rainman_bc · · Score: 2, Funny

    I find it ironic that you of all people have anything to say about spam when your sig is one of the spams I receive the most of.

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  27. I see your spam and RAISE it by Vicsun · · Score: 2, Interesting
    When starlet around returns home, pine cone related to steam engine reads a magazine.behind parking lot know wheelbarrow over.girls remain familiar.Bbut they need to remember how carelessly oil filter inside reads a magazine.bubble bath over bestow great honor upon philosopher for somnambulist.Unlike so many pockets who have made their irreconcilable scythe to us.

    Furthermore, girl inside hesitates, and earring of require assistance from beyond salad dressing.If skyscraper inside cheese wheel go deep sea fishing with clodhopper beyond, then cup for bottle of beer dies.
    What on Earth is this supposed to mean? And why would anyone send it? WHAT IS THIS SHIT AND WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?
    1. Re:I see your spam and RAISE it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thats not spam. It's some god-damned internet enabled fridge relaying what it says on the little fridge magnet words stuck to the side of itself.

    2. Re:I see your spam and RAISE it by msim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It'd be nifty if you could set the baysian filter to ignore certain segments such as the plain text and only target the HTML as it always seems they try and use the plain text to poison the filters and the html to carry the cruft they are peddling.

      Then again there's most likely something out there that can do that, but i just don't know about it.

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  28. Graham: Only half right by cynicalmoose · · Score: 2, Informative
    Graham predicted two things would happen as a result of Bayesian filtering:

    Spam would become, essentially, hyperlinks

    Hyperlinks would reduce the revenue per spam so much that spamming would become uneconomic

    Unfortunately, it seems he got the first right, but was too optimistic about the second. Still, Bayesian filtering removes the most egregious sales pitches, so I don't complain.

    When we can work out that strings of unrelated words make no syntactic sense, we'll really have the spammers nailed (and most of Usenet, but that's just a positive side-effect).

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  29. Re:Vioxx? by kosmicki · · Score: 2, Funny
  30. INCORRECT by ikewillis · · Score: 2, Informative
    There are MANY health risks of COX-2 inhibitors which have only been recently discovered. The dangers are not cardiac (pertaining to the heart) but cardiovascular, COX-2 is an enzyme which regulates a number of cardiovascular functions, most notably the inflamatory response, but also the formation of new blood vessels following injury, and your body's natural defenses against blood clots flowing through your circulatory system. The latter is what increases the danger of heart attack or stroke, both of which can be caused by blood clots clogging your cardiac arteries or brain arteries respectively.

    Here's some background information:

    http://arthritis.about.com/od/cox2inhibitors/a/saf etyreport.htm

    A report just released in the December issue of Nature Medicine claims that blocking the COX-2 enzyme interferes with angiogenesis (the formation of new blood vessels). New blood vessels are imperative to wound and ulcer healing. Cited laboratory study results revealed reduced angiogenesis when rat or human blood cells were treated with either indomethacin (an older NSAID) or by NS-398 (a COX-2 inhibitor). COX-2 and COX-1 are required for healing of the stomach and intestinal lining. This new data raises questions concerning whether selective COX-2 drugs are safer for the gastrointestinal tract than older NSAIDS after all since inhibiting angiogenesis may result in ulcer complications.

    http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/djh/ 200412231648DOWJONESDJONLINE000879.htm

    FDA is issuing an advisory because of recently released data from controlled clinical trials showing that the Cox-2 selective agents (Vioxx, Celebrex and Bextra) may be associated with an increased risk of serious cardiovascular events (heart attack and stroke) especially when they are used for long periods of time or in very high-risk settings (immediately after heart surgery), as the COX-2 enzyme apperas to play a key role in the body's natural ability to combat blood clots," the FDA said in its press release.

    That said, the majority of pharmeceudical spam I receive is for Cialias and Viagra, the anti-impotency pills. Does anyone here actually receive spam for Vioxx more frequently than these?