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Business Under Fire

Ben Rothke writes "In Outsource: Competing in the Global Productivity Race , Edward Yourdon examined the plight of displaced workers who find their jobs outsourced to cheaper workers overseas. The reality is that American technology jobs are being outsourced by the tens of thousands, with no end in sight. Workers who once envisioned a bright future now only see grim possibilities. In a fascinating book, Business Under Fire: How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding in the Face of Terror - and What We Can Learn from Them, author Dan Carrison focuses on a different sort of crisis resulting in lost jobs: terrorism." Read on for Rothke's review. Business Under Fire: How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding in the Face of Terror and What We Can Learn from Them author Dan Carrison pages 256 publisher AMACOM rating 10 reviewer Ben Rothke ISBN 0814408397 summary Businesses learning to cope with a depressed economy and violence can find unexpected lessons in adversity.

Since the revival of the Palestinian intifada in October 2000, hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost in Israel -- a situation made worse by the NASDAQ meltdown of the same period. With an Israeli population of only 6.2 million, these lost jobs have had a catastrophic effect on the economy.

As a management consultant, Carrison wondered how any company, let alone an entire economy, could survive in an environment ravaged by terrorism and a recession. He questioned -- from a business perspective -- how businesses in Israel were able to stay viable in such a chaotic and destructive environment. He concludes, after spending time in Israel and interviewing many business leaders there, that even with all of the terrorism the Israeli economy is surprisingly robust.

Without getting into the politics of the middle-east conflict, nor taking sides, the book shows both technology and business managers how they can deal with the most adverse of situations.

Carrison interviews a cross section of CEOs and managers from industries hurt the hardest; namely tourism, hotel, hi-tech and biotech. What emerges from all of the stories is that every manager claims that the intifada not destroyed his company, but has actually made it a leaner and more efficient organization and one that will be ready to go into overdrive when normal economic times resume.

The five chapters have the same format: interviews with CEOs and senior directors, and a checklist for managing a business under fire. Each interviewee offers his own observations and strategies on how to deal with the current situation and work towards future growth. These strategies run from redefining the market, sharing the risk, to contingency plans and more.

One significant difference between Israel and America is demonstrated by the way Israeli citizens deal psychologically with terrorism. In an interview with financial consultant Danny Halpern, Carrison asks how many people would rent office space in the World Trade Center in New York City, were it completely rebuilt and reopened tomorrow. Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and customers frequent bombed cafes and restaurants as soon as they are repaired.

Another telling difference that Halpern observed is that in Israel is more concerned with the quality of security, whereas in the U.S., more is invested into the mechanics of security. In the U.S., because of the huge numbers involved, the investment in security by default is in the mechanics, and the system. With that, minimum wage workers are hired to carry out what are supposedly important security functions.

The hotel industry has been hit hard. Hotels operate with large staffs, and require high occupancy rates to break even (roughly 75 percent). Carrison interviewed a number of hotel managers who saw their occupancy rate average about 25 percent. By any account, those hotels should have closed its doors and declared bankruptcy. But what happened is that the hotels discovered many correctable inefficiencies. In fact, Raphy Weiner, General Manager of the five-star Daniel Hotel, noted that he learned how inefficient the hotel had been before the crisis and "we'll never go back to the old way. The intifada has been a school for us."

The lesson that American IT managers can take from Weiner are that even the most adverse situation can be a fulcrum for change. Those in danger of having their jobs outsourced -- a significant number of us -- can take those lessons to heart, and hope that their managers and CEOs do too.

Carrison found that every manager had been challenged in cataclysmic ways, but refused to be run out of business by terrorists. Their defiance to the terrorists led them to streamline operations, reduce staff and determine a method to ride out the economic storm. That cutting back leads to a cruel irony: the people most heavily hurt from an economic perspective are the many Palestinian workers who -- before the intifada started -- had good jobs in Israel. The severe cutbacks in many firms resulted in Palestinian workers losing their jobs as a direct result of terrorist activities by their compatriots.

While the cause of the Israeli programmer losing his job is not the same as that of the American programmer; the manner in which they both can rebuild can be the same. Nietzsche's observation that "what does not destroy me, makes me stronger" is the attitude in interview after interview in the book. There is a lot that American programmers and managers can learn from those under fire in Israel.

You can purchase Business Under Fire: How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding in the Face of Terror - and What We Can Learn from Them from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. Well.. by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess you can always rely on making money from writing books taking advantage of mass fears and the yearly bandwagon?

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    1. Re:Well.. by JaffaKREE · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wasn't there a book review yesterday saying to not worry about outsourcing ? WHO DO I BELIEVE ?!

    2. Re:Well.. by nkh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually it was Joel Spolsky. His problem is: he created his own company, he is successfull and doesn't need to worry about his own future. With all these books sold throught FUD, we don't know what's really happening...

    3. Re:Well.. by b-baggins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because, of course, he's better than you, since it's apparently impossible for you to start your own company and be successful, guaging from your whine.

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  2. err by TechnologyX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why is it that the US is all gungho about a world economy and taking over every 3rd world country out there, but then when it starts to happen and our job market spreads out, they cry foul and pump up the patriotism?

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  3. How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are succeeding since the American taxpayers are footing lots of the bill for Israel's defenses. They'd have a much harder time succeeding if the Israelis had to pay for it all themselves.

    1. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep. Did great back in the 40s. Didn't need our help at all. That NATO thing? Totally unneeded.

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    2. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by RealAlaskan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Would the US stand by and do nothing if Canada were invaded? How about England or Spain? I doubt that the only reason Canadian or European companies are successful is just because the US would defend their countries.

      The U.S. spends about 5% of GDP on military (including pizza delivery in places like the Indian Ocean), while Canada and Europe spend far less (<2%?).

      Europe and Canada have high tax burdens compared to the U.S. Think how much higher those tax burdens would be if those countries were spending 5%+ of their GDP on their militaries. That might not cause many of their compaies to fail, but it surely wouldn't help any of them succede!

      One way to look at this is that the U.S. taxpayer is subsidising the socialist economies of the West by providing their defense. It's an open question whether those countries could maintain their social programs and provide for their own defense if we didn't keep them dry under our umbrella. The fact that they are right now having to cut back their social programs and taxes to save their economies suggests that they would be forced to choose between guns or butter if we left them on their own.

      So, we pay for the Canadians and the Europeans to have a fancy ``social safety net'', then they laugh at us because we don't have one, and insult us because we have a big military. Maybe we should let those sleazeballs on the Continent deal with the Balkans and the Middle East and Russia and China on their own dime, and just take care of ourselves for a while? I bet we'd be laughing a lot longer than they would ....

    3. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by SideshowBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who exactly are we defending them from? The Canadians and Europeans I mean... They don't need defending from any of the 4 you mentioned. And in the case of the Balkans there were European peacekeepers involved, its not like the U.S. was flying solo on that one.

    4. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So, we pay for the Canadians and the Europeans to have a fancy ``social safety net'', then they laugh at us because we don't have one, and insult us because we have a big military.

      As soon as an actual "military" threat arises that has at least 1/100 of plausibility and importance as compared to our fancy social "safety net" we will sacrifice a lot of it to fund our military. As it stands, the USA seems to be shaping to be that threat to all of us in not so remote future.

      Get it through your jingoisting, deluded head: Even at the worst times of anti-communist paranoia, the USSR (as it is now clearly apparent from documents which became available after its fall) was always in a defensive stance to a belligerent US military preasure.

      I am sick and tired of would be hegemons inventing straw-men so that they can go fight them "in our defense" either by proxy like in Colombia, Nicaragua or Venesuela or directly as in Vietnam, Panama or Iraq.

      So quit whining that noone wants to join your imbecillic crusades for fun, mayhem, expansion of religion and profit and be wary because longer you keep at it more likely it is that we (the vast majority of the people of planet Earth) will end up correcting your belligerence in a way you might find less amusing then a session with Rush Limbaugh.

      Oh and yes, you should get the fuck out of all the ex-soviet republics where you are attempting to estabilish forward military (and incidently US corporate) bases. Russia is only in its adversarial stance because of your insistence on aggressive expansion of NATO. You are the source of the problem in China with your brainless, unbridled orgy of corporate greed that makes that country more powerful by the minute. It is your unquestioning, insane, support for Israel's mad policies, as well as those of Arab dictatorships in places like Saudi Arabia that causes the mess in Middle-East. Not to mention that is your country that fabricated evidence for a war of agression and greed it had planned for years in advance. In short, it is you who are the prime and foremost danger to the safety of the planet, noone else is even a remote second place condender.

    5. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by mauddib~ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't often comment on the rating for certain posts on this site, but I really cannot understand how this could be rated +4 informative.

      First of all: have you ever considered how much you actually pay for people who are unemployed? You think the lack of a social safety net will lower your taxes. But those who are unemployed are not going around doing nothing. It attracts crime, non-educated jobs, etc. etc. You've just paid money for an education for these people, but when they get unemployed that money is let to waste!

      Then talk about defense. I would really like to know from you: what danger did the US protect us from the past, uhm, 60 years? Communism? Look carefully my friend. It wasn't the US which stopped it by it's useless war in Vietnam. It was the people of the 'communism' states which did that. Terrorism? As far as I can see, the arrogance of the US actually attracted terrorism. By fighting it you actually proved yourself in your own arrogance.

      Your government has made you believe in a fear for terrorism (and communism 40 years ago). These fears were unfounded! Just like Hitler made the people believe to fear certain groups of the population. He used the same arguments: public safety, economic prosperity.

      For as far as I can see, dear poster and dear citizen of the US: we here in Europe don't need and have never asked for your protection. Moreover, I think most people here do not believe in the means of protection you are giving.

      One last example: as far as I can see, North-Korea seems to be a real threat: chance of manufacturing nuclear bombs, totalirian regime, supression of human-rights, etc. etc. Why are you not 'liberating' this country? Do you miss a certain economic drive in this war? Or do you want to project a 'democracy' in all the countries you're in any way interested in?

      Please US citizens, open your eyes. Grab the hints we are giving you. Look at this slashdot page and see what posts are way rated up. Listen to your own fellows who are saying your democratic system is falling apart because of monopolistic and political misuse.

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    6. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Informative
      Says who? Those two big guns we dropped on Japan in WWII were really, really big. That ended the war pretty fast.

      You are also forgetting that USA was directly attacked by Japan and was merely defending itself. Its involment in Europe in WWII is a different matter, but its present behaviour detracts from any noble reasons it might have had back then and makes many people far more suspicious of them then in the past.

      When Canadian courts grant Muslim Imams the right to arbitrate civil matters (it happened, look it up), you don't need to attack, you've assimilated.

      A classic strategy of a bigot: to point out an element of what Canada does and then try to make it seem as it somehow is a unique example. For your ignorant information: the same rule applies to Jews (who can use Hassidic law), Hindus, Seikhs, Quakers, Mennonites, Native Americans (tribal courts) etc etc. Oh, yes, total back-bacon-eating surrender monkeys we are, us Canadians instead of defending the One and Only, True, Christian Faith (as defined by Rev. Falwell) and persecuting everyone else.

    7. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You were doing okay until:

      For as far as I can see, dear poster and dear citizen of the US: we here in Europe don't need and have never asked for your protection.

      Um, does World War II ring any bells?

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    8. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by grcumb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Clearly the U.S. was being belligerant and arrogant when Russia put its nukes on Cuba."

      I'm no historian, but yeah, the Cuban Missile Crisis is widely perceived to have resulted from escalating threats/counter-threats, set off by US tactical nuclear build-up. Wikipedia thinks so, too.

      But don't trust just me and a bunch of amateur editors, go read the history yourself, and supplement the flag-waving pap that schools dish out these days, when they do at all.

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    9. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Wow, you are remarkably short-sighted, after all the boogey man was busy blowing up night clubs in Bali

      The muslim fundamentalist extremists are a law enforcement problem not a military one. Furthermore lets tally things up here so we have clear understanding: total deaths due to terrorism, combining PLO, Hamas, IRA, Al-Qeida, and every other terrorist on the planet, including Iraqi resistance (most of whom are freedom-fighters), years 1950-2005 = less then 10,000. On the other hand: 2 years of US anti-terrorism operations: 100,000 deaths and counting. A yearly deathtoll due to car accidents in USA: over 40,000.

      You were saying something about Bali and boogeymen, no?

    10. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      China works with a different idea of time and scope from other cultures. Where the US shifts, as an example, seem to be 50 years or less, China does 500.

      Orintalist fantasy. You've obviously never actually been to China in a last few decades and seen the fantastic speed at which it's developing. China went through a century of revolutions and since the 1980s when Deng made it a policy to aim for economic development and not worry about ideology, factories and skyscrapers have been sprouting like mushrooms. China's history does not slow it down; it lost most of it during the Cultural Revolution anyway. China has a lot more businessmen in expensive suits with PDAs and Mercedes living in highrise luxury apartments than Confucian scholars reading the Analects these days.

    11. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by djupedal · · Score: 2, Informative

      You've obviously never actually been to China in a last few decades and seen the fantastic speed at which it's developing.

      But grasshopper - I am here :)

      I've been visiting China since 1990 - I now live and work in the fastest growing province in the country. I've also lived and worked in both Japan and South Korea.

      And all those rich locals...yes, but their numbers are almost too low to measure. If you're not here like me, and want to come over and visit, I'll be more than happy to show you around, seriously :)

    12. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by Tom+Armadillo · · Score: 2, Informative

      A couple of clarifications here actually
      - the money the govt. here gets from the US is normally for US made equipments (weapons, vehicles) so actually the foreign aid is used for propping up the US armaments industry.
      - the founders of modern Israel were profoundly secular. The religious mouth frothing is a more modern phenomenon due to the outstanding military success of the Six Day war in 1967.
      - Historically in this part of the world, unless you had a meanie dictator (historically the Turkish Emperor, but more recently people like Saddam Hussein and Hafez Assad) the various communities start scheming against each other (Lebanon in the 80's, Iraq now....). It's a bit more complex than "Israel has a strong military, that's why the Arabs hate them and that's why the price of oil is so high".

    13. Re:How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding... by 808140 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not really sure they ever asked for our help in World War II, although they were certainly grateful. Of course, we did tremendously well for ourselves in that deal, too, lest you forget. It's not like WW2 was all American sacrifice. It pulled us out of the great depression and made us (quite literally) the superpower we are today. Whatsmore, it was completely fought on the soil of other nations -- nations whose economies, previously powerful, and infrastructures, previously widespread, were reduced to rubble. Of course, we offered to rebuild it for them. At a cost. Nothing wrong with that. We forgave them much of their debts, later.

      Anyway, allies help each other and that's been the case for a long time -- and despite what many of us think, it hasn't always been the US helping everyone else. We are powerful now but once were weak -- we bested the United Kingdom, the most powerful empire in the world, only with the help of the French, ironically. Yet you don't generally hear the French saying to Americans "Remember 1776?". Instead, an American, like myself, needs to point it out to you.

      WW2 was more recent than our liberation, to be sure, but we have to learn that we can't expect the goodwill of Europe to go on forever because of deeds done by our grandfathers. Relationships are ever-changing things. No one European that I know would disparage US involvement in WW2 or deny that it was needed and helpful. But that doesn't give America a magic "get out of trouble" card with respect to European foreign policy for the rest of eternity.

      The truth is, Europe hasn't been militarily threatened for many years now. They've had skirmishes, sure -- Bosnia was quite a mess, as was mentioned -- but the EU is emerging as a force to be reckoned with and frankly I think the GP was right when he said that Europe no longer needs America's protection as much as America seems to think it does.

      Frankly, my opinion -- as an American, mind you -- is that we like to think of ourselves as policemen, and we take the same self-righteous attitude they do: "You complain when we beat up black guys in the ghetto but when your sister gets murdered, who do you come crying to for justice?" It's not entirely wrong, either. When you're strong you're tempted to use that strength to influence people around you, and I doubt (for what its worth) that Europe would be any different, if they were in our shoes (or any other nation, for that matter). And history certainly seems to support my assessment.

      But the fact remains that we could probably slice our military spending considerably without any adverse effects whatsoever to Europe, anyway. Some smaller third world nations might suffer, but then again, they might not. Happily, none of the military superpowers (by this I mean the top few, say the US, the EU, China, Russia?) want war, anymore. At one point, wars were fought with weapons, and economic growth was the end in question. Now, wars are fought with trade, and economic growth is still the end in question. Most of the big boys have seen that people not getting killed works better in our tiny, well-connected world than the alternative.

      And so there is, at this point in time, an unprecedented unwillingness to greatly destablize the world with a large war. So we have small, localized skirmishes instead. And terrorism, too. None of these are greatly aided by a US acting as a world policeman.

      I'm not suggesting we all get rid of our militaries. It would be nice, but unrealistic... "If you would have peace, prepare for war," as they say. But a small, defensive military is really all anyone needs these days. We can ramp it up quickly if the need becomes great again.

      No, truthfully, the US wants to keep its military not to defend the world, but to remind the world that this is the Pax Americana, and keep nations great and small in constant awe and fear of our mightiness. We've gotten used to this position and it suits us. Terrorism is a direct result of this, as

  4. Maturity by Stanistani · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's see if we can have this discussion without descending to racial stereotyping or xenophobia.

    That said, it is interesting that some business institutions can survive under enormous stress.
    London during the Blitz provided a few examples.

    1. Re:Maturity by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is also the factor of the tax laws which encourage outsourcing, and the lobbyist cabal which curry our legislators, and the legislators themselves... it's all one big circle of money. But I'm more interested in the effect of inhuman pressure on economic engines.

      The tax laws, lobbyists, and the legislators themselves are all bought & paid for slaves of the MnCs. Take away the limited liability corporation, and the rest collapses in on itself from a lack of investor money- or better yet, we put the investors in jail for bribery.

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  5. not just business by The+Queen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think the lessons here are about businesses surviving as much as people. Really, if Americans had to deal with the level of terrorism that Isrealis do on a daily basis, society would fall right apart.

    "But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and customers frequent bombed cafes and restaurants as soon as they are repaired."

    Would you go back to your office after an attack? No. And then they'd raze the building and put up a monument.

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    1. Re:not just business by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      American society didn't fall apart after Pearl Harbor.

      No, not at all. But the Consitution certainly did. Remember the Japanese internment camps. Americans have become a country of real wimps (I'm embarassed to say).

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    2. Re:not just business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Really, if Americans had to deal with the level of terrorism that Isrealis do on a daily basis, society would fall right apart.

      I repsectfully disagree. Americans will never tolerate the terrorism that Isreal has. Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous. If we were to have car bombs and suicide bombings start, you would see every rifle rack in a every pickup full.

      This is the only explaination that I can see, our borders are transparent, we have thousands of illegal middle easterners in the country, arms and explosives are easy to aquire in the USA - why don't we have "retail" terrorism?

      We don't have it because the pussy ragheads aren't that eager to meet Allah after all. You don't get the virgins in paradise if you get killed by a 30-06 deer load from Bubba who lives in the trailer park.

    3. Re:not just business by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous.

      I think Isreali citizens are probably better armed then most Americans... and they can be pretty damn righteous.

      This righteousness and Religious fanaticism is one of the reasons they are targeted by terrorists.

      we have thousands of illegal middle easterners in the country, arms and explosives are easy to aquire in the USA - why don't we have "retail" terrorism?

      Because most of those illegal middle easterners aren't here to terrorize anyone. They are here because it's nice country to live in, and still provides many opportunities.

    4. Re:not just business by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous. If we were to have car bombs and suicide bombings start, you would see every rifle rack in a every pickup full.

      How is a firearm supposed to deter a suicide bomber, especially considering that most of the time they do sneak attacks? What the hell do you think you're going to shoot at? Shredded chunks of flesh on the sidewalk?

  6. If both sides settled things by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That cutting back leads to a cruel irony: the people most heavily hurt from an economic perspective are the many Palestinian workers who -- before the intifada started -- had good jobs in Israel.

    This, my friends, is one of the reasons why violent actions should be used very very sparingly. Violence usually has a way of just polarizing a situation to the point where both sides are destroyed in the process. Just think how prosperous both sides would be if they kissed and made up and stopped this incessant fighting.

    NOTE: I'm am not taking anyone's side. It's time for both sides to work it out regardless of the past.

    1. Re:If both sides settled things by killjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sharon is in partnership for a casino to be opened up in palestine so was arafat. That's right sharon and arafat were in the same partnership in a casino along with some european interests.

      When it came to fleecing the palestenians they were both of the same mind.

      How many times has Sharon been investigated for corruption anyway? Aren't there some probes still going on?

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    2. Re:If both sides settled things by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Have you ever heard any palestenian or israeli ever have a conversation about this subject without reeling off all the wrongdoings the evil others did in the past?.
      Hell yes. Just go and listen to normal Palestinian or Israelite. All you probably hear is the warhawk politicians in the country, who derive power and popularity from the conflict, or from politicians in other countries who have firmly decided which side is right to them, and which is wrong. The press is just as bad, whenever the conflict makes the news, they love to show those shots of bombed cafes, bulldozed houses, guys waving machine guns in glee, and soldiers at checkpoints mistreating the people passing by.

      There are people on both sides who wish this war ended. Even many who dislike the other side for what they did, might 'hug & make up' given the opportunity. But these people do not make the evening news, nor do they often make it into politics.
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  7. Diminishing Returns by nebaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What emerges from all of the stories is that every manager claims that the intifada not destroyed his company, but has actually made it a leaner and more efficient organization and one that will be ready to go into overdrive when normal economic times resume.

    I wonder, just because in "crisis mode" more efficiency and productivity can be gained, does this necessarily transfer to normal times. The US rationed materials in WW2, they did not do so later. Also people go at a certain pace, faster in emergency mode. I don't know if it is sustainable in the long term.

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    1. Re:Diminishing Returns by archen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The efficiency will transfer for a while. But then it will revert to whatever levels is "normal". The big impact that this WILL have is that people will be able to cope with hard times easier when they come again. My grandmother rationed during WWII, but that was peanuts compaired to getting through the great depression - so in her experience it wasn't really as bad as it could have been. A side effect is that no matter how good times were thereafter she never let much of anything go to waste for the rest of her life.

      A company will regain the fat levels, but they'll know exactly where to trim the fat next time around, unlike some businesses that cut their core employees to suppliment overpaid worthless middle managers...

  8. Overstatement? by I8TheWorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Workers who once envisioned a bright future now only see grim possibilities.

    Is that just a bit of an overstatement? My first 4 years in the industry I was fulltime. The longest layoff I had (I'm now fulltime again) in 9 years as a contract programmer after that was 4 months. That followed the Enron/Dynegy/El Paso fiasco in Houston.

    What people out there in the /. community have grim prospects because of the offshore outsourcing?

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  9. Real adversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Israeli companies have a walk in the park compared to Palestinian companies. Many more Palestinians have been shot or bombed than Israelis. Israelis don't have to spend hours going through multiple checkpoints to get from one town to the next.

    If he really wanted to do a book about doing business under adverse conditions he should have written about Palestinian companies.

    1. Re:Real adversity by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Israeli companies have a walk in the park compared to Palestinian companies.

      Palestinians also suffer the disadvantages of living in a corrupt bullshit not-even-country instead of a first-world democracy. That might have something to do with quality of life.

  10. Americans are pussies by DogDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like the way the reviewer (and the book, apparently) say that Americans are pussies:

    One significant difference between Israel and America is demonstrated by the way Israeli citizens deal psychologically with terrorism. In an interview with financial consultant Danny Halpern, Carrison asks how many people would rent office space in the World Trade Center in New York City, were it completely rebuilt and reopened tomorrow. Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and customers frequent bombed cafes and restaurants as soon as they are repaired.

    I tend to agree (and yes, I'm an American).

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    1. Re:Americans are pussies by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Iraq would look like a playground. The US would level it and make it the 52nd state (behind Canada).

      Of course the US would. They wouldn't work it out. They wouldn't single out the offenders. They wouldn't try to get to the root of the problem. They'd kill every living thing because hey, you never know... KIDS could be terrorists! The US public is terrified. Why do you think Bush got elected? It wasn't for his intellect or his diplomacy. It was because his administration preyed on fear. He repeated his "We will kill all of them them" lines to cheering crowds everywhere. Yeah. Hit a 3rd world nation with massive firepower. Yeah. That's real brave.

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    2. Re:Americans are pussies by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      [Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed,...] I tend to agree (and yes, I'm an American).

      To be fair, Israel's population tends to be "filtered" for those who put "religious pride" above safety. Many Israeli's come to Isreal for religious or ethnic pride reasons and they have dual citizenship with other countries in Europe, US, etc. Thus, those heavily afraid of terrorism probably would not come to Israel to begin with.

      Unfortunately, it also tends to bring in a lot of Jewish fanatics, who tend to block the peace process because they want the holy lands at ANY cost.

      Similarly, the US immigration system tends or has tended to select for certain personalities, such as those who want to run their own business, those who don't like government interference, and/or those who want religious freedom (especially earlier in our history).

  11. Re:Bullshit propaganda by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is probably a bit off-topic, but why doesn't Israel just give the fucking land back? Somebody has to stand up and make the first move toward peace. People are more important than dirt. It is not even that much land. If terrorism continues AFTER they give the land back, then play eye-for-eye: if a Pali terrorist kills 7 Israeli's, then launch a strike to kill 7 Pali's. Their standing in the world would greatly increase if they simply gave the post-66 land back. It would put the ball back in the Pali's court.

  12. That's the ticket! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Outsourcing == Terrorism! Now THAT message might actually sell in Washington these days. Why didn't we think of it early? :)

  13. The American dream down the drain by lutskot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it very amusing every time I read about Americans complaining about loosing their jobs to outsourcing.

    What exactly did the people of America expect from the World Trade Organization, APEC and NAFTA?

    Did Americans really expect that these free trade organizations and treaties would only work in favor of the US? That the US would be able to import goods even cheaper than normal, creating virtual slave states in places like Mexico and China?

    Next time the WTO comes to town and you sit down at starbucks instead of heading out to the streets in protest, consider that free trade works both ways. It's specifically designed to make it easy for corporations to find the cheapest labor possible, which pushes expensive US jobs overseas to be done by equally qualified professionals in other places like India for a fraction of the cost.

    And as long as corporations only want more profit, it will keep moving this way, so just get used to it. Stop buying SUV, 4 dollar coffees and 5,000 dollar LCD TVs, reduce your lifestyle to something more modest and take a salary cut or live with the fact that the American dream along with it's capitalist economy is going down the drain.

    Personally I couldn't be happier this is happening, but it's irritating to see a country be so naive and ignorant about the mess it created all by itself.

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  14. "no end in sight"? Nonsense! Try a hanging rope! by Cryofan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guarantee you that if we took some of the politicians responible for outsourcing, and tried them for treason in a court of law, and then executed the ones found guilty (as traitors should be executed, by precedent of law), 90% of that outsourcing would disappear toot-sweet....

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  15. More than that by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I repsectfully disagree. Americans will never tolerate the terrorism that Isreal has. Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous. If we were to have car bombs and suicide bombings start, you would see every rifle rack in a every pickup full.


    Not just that, but you'd start seeing rifle racks appearing in places other than pickups - like SUV's and Honda Accords. And "Security Mom" would take on a whole new level of meaning.

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    1. Re:More than that by Tool+Man · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually... while I've never been there, my understanding was that Israeli citizens have more legal access to firepower than Americans. Perhaps that has changed, so someone please correct me if wrong.

      Another things though, is that bombers there have a willingness to die for their cause, which is hard to defend against. A full rifle rack is useless against someone who is willing to be a human bomb.

    2. Re:More than that by Acius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      About ten years ago, I met a family from Israel who was living in the U.S. One of the girls, perhaps 19, described the military service. She said that in Israel, there are four years of compulsory military service for ALL Israelis, both men and women, and that Israeli citizens were expected to have an automatic weapon in their home and to be trained in its use.

      So, the "Americans are better armed" and "Americans wouldn't put up with it" arguments are complete garbage. We are not better armed; Israelis are. And Israelis aren't putting up with it. They're blowing up Palestinians on a fairly regular basis -- The Israeli to Palestinian death ratio is heavily favoring the Israelis, intifada and all. In fact, there is a pretty strong feeling that the hard-line, refusing-to-put-up-with-it attitude of the Israelis is exactly what makes the peace process so difficult, especially since they have the military and economic upper-hand over the Palestinians.

      We Americans like to think we're a tough-as-nails bunch, unlike those wimps everywhere else, but I think the cake goes to the Israelis on that one.

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  16. $3BN by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative
    They are succeeding since the American taxpayers are footing lots of the bill for Israel's defenses.

    Yep, to about the tune of $2 Billion With A Capital B in "military aide", and +$700M in economic aide. $3B isn't enough- they want more for "border security" and whatnot.

    Think I'm using some nazi group for my figures? Phbt. Try the Haaretz.

    None of this counts the billions in defense spending; Israel makes a HUGE number of major and minor systems for virtually every US military vehicle.

    Slighty sarcastic view- maybe if we saved that $3B+/yr, we'd solve two problems at once- the Israelis would get a lot more serious about the peace process, and we'd have money to pump into our own economy instead of theirs. Like, say, our crumbling roads/railway system, healthcare/retirement, inadequate community emergency services, etc.

    Of course, that will never happen. Any politician who suggests cutting aide to Israel stands to be accused of anti-semetism...

    1. Re:$3BN by amabbi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Slighty sarcastic view- maybe if we saved that $3B+/yr, we'd solve two problems at once- the Israelis would get a lot more serious about the peace process, and we'd have money to pump into our own economy instead of theirs.

      Wow... what a biased viewpoint.. especially for a +5, informative. Israel is completely serious about the peace process... it's just that the Palestinian leadership (ie Arafat) wasn't serious about it...

      And why not mention the $800m/yr in economic aid to Egypt? Or the 3 Billion with a capital B in U.S. backed loan guarantees? Money that we could use on "say, our crumbling roads/railway system, healthcare/retirement, inadequate community emergency services, etc." You would rather we cut off Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.... for what reason?

    2. Re:$3BN by katz · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is not entirely correct. From the Israel Facts & Myths database:

      "Contrary to popular wisdom, the United States does not simply write billion dollar checks and hand them over to Israel to spend as they like. Only about 26 percent ($555 million of $2.1 billion in 2003) of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. The remaining 74 percent is spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program over the last several years."

    3. Re:$3BN by Kombat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do these jobs generate goods and services that are given to Israel? If so, then is it really such a big difference?

      Yes. The reason it makes a big difference is because if we were in fact simply handing over billions of dollars in tax money, the US would be draining their own economy. By instead using that money to pay USAmerican workers, local jobs are created, even if the fruits of those labours (the materialistic products that are output) are eventually sent overseas. The workers still get paid. Once the product is created, it is irrelevant whether it is used in the US or used somewhere else. The government has footed the bill.

      Note a further interesting side-effect of administering aid this way: When the money is used to pay US workers, those workers pay income tax on that money, and thus at least 20% of it or so goes right back to the government anyway. The money that the workers actually get to keep, they spend on houses, property taxes, utility bills, clothing and groceries, all of which have taxes applied to them, so the government actually recoups even more of their investment.

      If they had simply sent a cheque for $2 billion to Isreal, then all of that money would leave the US economy and government, permanently. By doing it this way, almost half of it ends up right back in the government's pocket, and the other half is little more than a subsidized "work-for-welfare" program for US defense employees.

      THAT is the "big difference" you asked for.

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  17. You are an absolute MORON by eadint · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get rid of Social Security and Medicare
    This common chant from ignorant morons and republicans is seriously flawed. what happens when someone goes to the hospital without health insurance and there is no Medicare. without Medicare the health industry would implode and collapse. what we need is a public system that can be afforded by all and then health costs would go down because hospitals dont have to take such a horrible hit when an uninsured person is admitted. (where did you get your brain a cracker jack box, you are such a fucking moron it)

    "like those scumbags at the welfare office"
    Another infantile moronic statement, the republicans and Republican companies are the biggest welfare whores in the US. the amount of money spent on welfare is minuscule when compared to the amount of money spent to subsidize the industries that are so dear to the republican party. and guess what you fucking ape brained dimwitted waste of human skin. that welfare mom that you hate so much contributes more to you economic security that the fat peace of shit subsidized company that you probably think is wonderful you fucking ignorant savage you should that the welfare lady because shes part of the reason that you have a job fucktard.

    Please do the world a favor and kill your children your wife and yourself. because people like you are air pollution.

  18. Umm... by YetAnotherAnonymousC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, I'm sure it wouldn't, as they aren't...

  19. The situation has changed, but you have not. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful
    One way to look at this is that the U.S. taxpayer is subsidising the socialist economies of the West by providing their defense.
    That would be true before the fall of the Berlin Wall and Russia's change. Now, the threat has changed.

    But our military hasn't.
    It's an open question whether those countries could maintain their social programs and provide for their own defense if we didn't keep them dry under our umbrella.
    If you want to look at it that way. Again, those countries don't face the same threat in the 21st century that they faced in the 20th century.

    But our military planning hasn't changed. Our force deployment hasn't changed.

    Having 10,000 tanks in Germany would have been a good idea in 1975. In 2005, it's just a waste of money.
    The fact that they are right now having to cut back their social programs and taxes to save their economies suggests that they would be forced to choose between guns or butter if we left them on their own.
    Meanwhile, the US government is running how large of a deficit?

    The government has LIMITED income and must decide where to spend that money.

    All governments are like that.
    So, we pay for the Canadians and the Europeans to have a fancy ``social safety net'', then they laugh at us because we don't have one, and insult us because we have a big military.
    No, we don't pay for their ``social safety net''. THEY pay for it.

    All WE do is maintain troops and equipment and bases there. Are those needed to defend those countries in 2005?

    It doesn't look like it.
    Maybe we should let those sleazeballs on the Continent deal with the Balkans and the Middle East and Russia and China on their own dime, and just take care of ourselves for a while?
    And how is Russia a threat to Germany today? Hmmmmm?

    The threat TODAY is from terrorism. And Germany has been dealing with terrorist attacks in their country for years. We could learn from their approach.
    1. Re:The situation has changed, but you have not. by dynamo · · Score: 5, Funny

      wake up, man. The threat TODAY is from the United States Government.

  20. Re:get your facts in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Am I getting some facts wrong? Arafat walked away from the negotiating table at Camp David even when he was offered 95 % of the land from the 1967 war.

    He did so because the intifada was a effective money earner. In 2002 or so, Arafat was worth some 1.5 Billion $. He did this because he cheated his own people.

    You're asking the wrong people to get serious about the peace process. Do you know Jordan gets more than 1.5 Billion and Egypt gets 3 Billion odd in US funds every year?

  21. Good luck building a military when you need it :-( by BerntB · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As soon as an actual "military" threat arises that has at least 1/100 of plausibility and importance as compared to our fancy social "safety net" we will sacrifice a lot of it to fund our military.
    The main problem with that idea is that it takes many years to build (outfit, train, etc) a military.

    Historically, the politicians haven't been exactly fast reacting when the storm clouds are showing up, either...

    In the 1920's my country (Sweden) closed down almost all of the defence. When trying to buy weapons when needed, a decade later, the sellers had their order books filled...

    Now Sweden has closed down everything. We can only hope that Putin is more democratic than he looks like. :-(

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  22. $2NATO != $2Israel by cmholm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As a percentage of local GNP, what Israel gets in aid dwafts what various NATO nations got in aid during the Cold War (not including the despoiled Europe of the late 40's).

    I think what the previous poster was alluding to is the idea that Israeli policy is more intransigent with billions in US economic and military aid to prop up their economy than it would be without. Whether this is strictly true, or if the Israelis would just suck it in and damn the torpedoes is beside the point: most Israelis and their neighbors assume it's true.

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  23. Re:Good luck building a military when you need it by grcumb · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The main problem with that idea is that it takes many years to build (outfit, train, etc) a military."

    That may be true in cases where the state has no resources of its own. In the years between 1939 and 1945, Canada went from having 3 ships in its navy to possessing the 3rd largest navy in the world. In the first world war, it had over 1,000,000 men and women in uniform - that's 10% of the total population at the time. Every time it's felt the need, Canada has managed to go to a war footing in a remarkably short period of time.

    ... And that's why I'm skeptical when Americans proclaim that they're protecting us. In major conflicts[*], we've always done a fine job of protecting ourselves, with a fair amount left over to help our neighbours.

    [*] It's more than a little ironic that the only foreign invasions Canada has ever faced have come from its southern border. 8^)

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  24. Re:Bullshit propaganda by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    why doesn't Israel just give the fucking land back?
    Thank you! I'm glad there's at least one other person that sees what the real problem is. To answer your question, Israel feels no obligation to hand the land back because they are an oppressive regime armed to the teeth by the USA and can literally get away with murder. As long as US backing for Israel and their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians exists, the problem exists.
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  25. Re:A more interesting question by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How well can an economy survive on stolen territory?

    Well Berlin seems to be doing pretty well. It was around 25% Jewish (more by most accounts). Hmm.. And Vienna's prospering too. Actually Moscow is prospering too. So's Warsaw... and Milan. And hey, this week things are looking up in Kiev.

    Is there an army of displaced people living in refugee camps outside Berlin, Vienna, Warsaw or Milan?
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  26. Re:get your facts in order by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Am I getting some facts wrong? Arafat walked away from the negotiating table at Camp David even when he was offered 95 % of the land from the 1967 war.

    ... and you cleverly neglected to mention that this land was divdied into hundreds of "bantustans" criss-crossed with Israeli roads and settlements, some of them completely isolated from each other, that this "sovereign" state was to be subject to israeli military "border" patrols and that some people would have to cross the border to go to school or a grocery store. Other then that, it was a steal of a deal and that nasty old Arafat was just a party pooper.

  27. Israel's economy is heavily subsidized by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Israel gets about $5 billion per year in US aid, for a population around 5 million. That's a big fraction of the Government's budget.

    In turn, the Israeli government subsidizes a sizable fraction of the economy. As of 1999, about one-third of all gainfully employed Israelis worked directly for various branches of government. This does not include the military.

    So in many cases, the decision to continue doing something in an area of high terrorism is a political and strategic one, not an investment decision. Even if something doesn't make economic sense, it may be subsidized anyway. In particular, the "settlements" movement is heavily subsidized.

    This isn't necessarily bad, but any comparison with the US economy has to take that into account.

  28. "Yeehaa!" is not a foreign policy by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Maybe we should let those sleazeballs on the Continent deal with the Balkans and the Middle East and Russia and China on their own dime, and just take care of ourselves for a while? I bet we'd be laughing a lot longer than they would
    Most of those "sleazeballs on the Continent" aren't in the habit of making enemies all over the world by 'projecting power' with their military ego trips or pulling the rug out from democratically elected governments like the US did in Iran, Chile, Venezuala (almost), Haiti, etc. The Swedes aren't exactly at the top of Al Queda's hit list, are they?
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  29. Rerun by Yonder+Way · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As I mentioned in another recent Slashdot headline, Ed Yourdon is our modern day chicken little. He made a zillion dollars selling books and talking about how we were all going to die when Y2K hit. He was wrong on all counts. Now he's looking for his next paycheck. Don't buy into this quack.

  30. Re:Bullshit propaganda by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Informative
    If that was really the case, Palistine would be nuked into the ground
    All that fallout would be a tad inconvenient for all the Israeli settlers queueing up to take the place of the natives, wouldn't you say?
    [Israel] being the more educated and sophisticated civalization
    Just because the Israelis have whiter skin than the Arabs does not make them a superior race.
    They perhaps have a "right" to the disputed land
    Damn straight! And what's with the 'perhaps' and inverted commas? Israel have no right to the West Bank or Gaza strip and there are a tonne of UN resolutions that say so, period. In fact Israel are in breach of more UN resolutions and have been getting away with it for far longer than Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
    excercising that right it causing a lot of problems in the world. Let the thief take the goddam TV set and move on. The TV ain't worth the life of your family and neighbors even if you rightfully own it. Be pig-headed martyrs over something more important than mere strips of deseart.
    American presidents have had a word for that since 1939. "Appeasement." Sound familiar?
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  31. politics by sonictheboom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Without getting into the politics of the middle-east conflict, nor taking sides, the book shows both technology and business managers how they can deal with the most adverse of situations. well you can start by writing a book how the Palestinians deal with occupation? Just using the word 'terrorism' is siding with the Isrealis

  32. Re:Bullshit propaganda by tezza · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Thank you! I'm glad there's at least one other person that sees what the real problem is.

    Okay. I have been to Israel. I am Jewish. I think that the Palestinians should be given their land back.

    But clearly you do not understand the whole picture.

    There are issues of The Right of Return for Palestinian exiles, say.
    There is the issue of whether the region is a Two State solution or a One State, although Two State is almost definitely the case that will happen.
    There is the issue of how to deal with some amazingly fanatical Right Wing Jewish Settlers who illegally occupy that land. This is but to touch on some of the issues.

    But the BIGGEST issue that is ALWAYS discussed is that, with ALL these suicide bombings and murders, if the land is given back under these current conditions, it will APPEAR to validate terrorism and the demonisation of the Jewish state Israel, as a successful negotiating tactic. Because that, is what Israel and the World cannot afford to let happen. Then whenever someone had a Beef, this could be a resort, and not even the last one.

    So your solution is quite simplistic and completely flawed. Never mind that I disagree about yor view of their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

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  33. earth to realalaskan by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would the US stand by and do nothing if Canada were invaded? How about England or Spain? I doubt that the only reason Canadian or European companies are successful is just because the US would defend their countries.

    England, Spain and Canada do not need defending from invasion. The USA's army isnt a defensive force at all. It is an Imperialist Army. The last 100 years of American history has been one of warfare. The USA has been involved in wars of aggression, save the two WW of infighting in post-colonial europe. The world needs to fear invasion FROM the USA.

    The U.S. spends about 5% of GDP on military (including pizza delivery in places like the Indian Ocean), while Canada and Europe spend far less (2%?).

    Sure. Right. Good.

    Europe and Canada have high tax burdens compared to the U.S. Think how much higher those tax burdens would be if those countries were spending 5%+ of their GDP on their militaries. That might not cause many of their companies to fail, but it surely wouldn't help any of them succede!

    Why would we? So we can invade foreign nations? Most of the West has decided it no longer has the stomach for warfare. That fighting for territory is insane on such a small and interconnected planet. Who exactly is the "THEM" that you are afraid of? Further, for instance, if Americans include health-services as part of their tax bill (as an exercise) you will discover you are the most highly taxed. We pay higher taxes, but receive far more social welfare service as 'compensation'. Shhhhs, dont tell everyone.. but it sure is a neat little trick isnt it eh?

    One way to look at this is that the U.S. taxpayer is subsidizing the socialist economies of the West by providing their defense.

    DEFENSE FROM WHOM? This is pure jingo-warmonger fantasy. The USA dosnt create reality -- this is complete neocon nonsense. Our Socialist Democracies dont receive subsidy from US defense. IN FACT(!) the behaviour of the USA has caused nations (china, brazil, india) need to continue to spend as they do instead of writing treaties, organizing bodies and making a transition to a Army-Free future for the planet (a para-military police force controlled by the UN is the sole Army necessary (if we all agree to not build armies, you wont need to defend yourself from anyone.. get it?))

    It's an open question whether those countries could maintain their social programs and provide for their own defense if we didn't keep them dry under our umbrella. The fact that they are right now having to cut back their social programs and taxes to save their economies suggests that they would be forced to choose between guns or butter if we left them on their own.

    Our economies are not in imminent Peril. What are you dreaming about? Take a look at the state of the US economy. Low dollar. Growing unemployment. A collusive and corrupt plutocratic government who has an interest in undermining international labour, environmental, safety and health standards for their paymasters. Multi-Nationals are running wild over the planet and USING the USA as host. When they are finally reigned in, the USA's domestic population will be in for the largest shock. Inspite of mccarthy propaganda Economic Planning is necessary for a community to chart a course of long-term stability and prosperity. When the USA realizes that its "leaders" are taking them for a ride -- and when your economy collapses (think 1930's depression) -- will your citizens consider JUST FOR ONCE that youve been fed a bill of goods? What do you think causes the US dollar to slide 30% in 24 months? Household debt hightest on the planet? A stable and bright economic future? Think again.

    So, we pay for the Canadians and the Europeans to have a fancy ``social safety net'', then they laugh at us because we don't have one, and insult us because we have a big military.

    Utter nonsense.

    Maybe we should let those sleazeballs on the Continen

  34. economics is complex by Tzinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The author's comparison of Congressional inaction vis a vis the US dependence on oil to outsourcing jobs is an interesting one. It's quite clear that the reason for the US dependence on oil is so great is that the price of oil is so low. In fact, for most of the time since the Carter administration, it has been so low that it was too expensive to take it out of the ground in the US. The analogy, then should not be Congressional inaction, but rather what are the economics to the owners and what are US workers trying to sell? Not every decision that company executives make is based on price. Some are actually based on value. This is not to say that companies always operate in an ethical manner. For example, many companies accept TIF and other tax incentives to establish a local business. They really ought to be accountable for direct losses to the economy when they terminate the agreement before the local investment pays off. The owners should not escape with their shirts in these circumstances. Let's not forget. The reason the "state" provides limited liability to corporations is because there is a complex 3-way contract involved between consumer, employee and owner. Such a contract is too complex to be managed fully by common law. At the moment, laws and courts do seem to favor the owner. It will change again.

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