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Hacker Penetrates T-Mobile Systems

An anonymous reader writes "SecurityFocus.com reports 'a sophisticated computer hacker had access to servers at wireless giant T-Mobile for at least a year, which he used to monitor U.S. Secret Service e-mail, obtain customers' passwords and Social Security numbers, and download candid photos taken by Sidekick users, including Hollywood celebrities.' Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved."

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  1. linkie? and recruitment by BoldAC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Genovese provided SecurityFocus with an address on his website featuring what appears to be grainy candid shots of Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Nicole Richie, and Paris Hilton.

    Okay, all my Karma points for a link. :)

    The same source also offers an explanation for the secrecy surrounding the case: the Secret Service, the source says, has offered to put the hacker to work, pleading him out to a single felony, then enlisting him to catch other computer criminals in the same manner in which he himself was caught. The source says that Jacobson, facing the prospect of prison time, is favorably considering the offer.


    As much as we make fun of the computer knowledge of our governments, they finally seem to be on the right track. You must have some of these guys in your pocket to really have a chance. Can you trust them? Probably not completely... but if they bring you some knowledge, skills, and some of the most damaging players, then it's worth it.

    1. Re:linkie? and recruitment by JaffaKREE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't understand why he asked for a proxy from this dude he had just met. Really, really stupid, especially when it turned out to be a government monitoring server.

    2. Re:linkie? and recruitment by DingerX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, just because he got into T-Mobile's system doesn't mean he has a lot of friends. Sure, most young males engaged in such activities are giants of men, with beautiful girls on each arm, and the social ease of a High Commissioner after a second martini, but they're not all so smooth. Heck, he was probably overwhelmed by the fact that the Secret Service took an interest in him, and, seeing photographic evidence that the rumors of those wild "protect the currency" parties were true, figured this was a better shot at a real job than a scattershot "to whom it may concern" resume mentioning everything but the name of the nun who kicked him out for one too many links to the xmas islands on the high school web page.

    3. Re:linkie? and recruitment by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because murder isn't really an analog of hacking. Murder is usually a 1-time, spontaneous act of violence with little if any planning involved. It's more like breaking into an office and stealing the computer to get at the contents instead of hacking your way in via a network connection. I think a better comparison would be between hacking and *serial* killers, who traditionally put a lot more method into their madness because - like hackers - they want to keep coming back for more. And serial killers are quite frequently "hired" by the police afterwards when their methods and expertise are studied through profiling. A regular murderer doesn't get studied - just a jail sentence. A serial killer who's caught becomes a tool by which we catch the next one.

    4. Re:linkie? and recruitment by Gruneun · · Score: 2, Informative
      A six figure salary and a supercomputer? Re-watch the end of "Catch Me if You Can"; he'll get a low-grade government salary, half of what the guy whose paid to watch everything he does gets, he won't be allowed computers at home, not even a game console or Internet enabled refrigerator.

      I hate to break it to you, but that's a movie. It is, however, based on a true story. You might want to see how the real Frank Abagnale has been doing lately, though:

      http://www.abagnale.com/index2.asp
    5. Re:linkie? and recruitment by chris_mahan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spy agencies use a lot of different levers.

      See the case of the chinese woman who had a 20 year affair with a FBI agent. She was spying on the Chinese, for the FBI, and they paid her 1.7 million. Then the FBI got an interesting notion that she might be spying for the chinese, so they dragged her in court. Of course, the prosecution screwed up and the judge dismissed the case for infringement of her constitutional right. (that was in the paper a couple days ago).

      All this to show that the US government is not above giving lots of money (if for 20 years, 1.7 million is 85,000 a year, and I bet she did not pay taxes on that (what whould she put under profession?)).

      What the chinese used as a lever, if indeed they used her (she might have been a throwaway agent (read last chapter of The Art of War)), might also have been money (they have lots), since it obviously worked as a lever for her.

      As far as keeping them blackmailed, that's very very bad. It is very easy for foreign agents to turn such elements over. They say something like: We'll fake your death, you move to japan, give you an interpreter/girlfriend (here's her picture: Yowza!) and a beautiful house on the hill, with internet and computers, and 140,000 a year for 10 years. After that, you're free to go as you please. Think about it, you can get back at the SS for making you miserable. And you'll be helping mankind by keeping the balance of power so that there is no war.

      You think the CIA was born yesterday? (well, actually, under Bush Jr, it's being strangled to death now) They know their stuff. perhapes not as well as the russians or the chinese, but they do know their stuff. They would not be stupid enough to blackmail the guy. They want to make him think they saved his life from being the cig trade.

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  2. Get Moore !?! by rednip · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Most troubling...
    T-Mobile, which apparently knew of the intrusions by July of last year, has not issued any public warning.

    Q: If I were a customer and I found out that my identity has been stolen, could I sue T-Mobile for any damages since they knew of the problem, or perhaps for just having breakable security?

    BTW, the Black Hat's email address (and online identity) is ethics@netzero.net and at one point was looking for work as a security administrator. Not a big surprise that he was interested in the field, but 'Ethics'!

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    1. Re:Get Moore !?! by ack154 · · Score: 3, Informative
      This might be why (though there's no stating if it's the actual reason or not):
      but may be postponed if a law enforcement agency determines that the disclosure would compromise an investigation
      That would be my guess anyways.
    2. Re:Get Moore !?! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Q: If I were a customer and I found out that my identity has been stolen, could I sue T-Mobile for any damages since they knew of the problem, or perhaps for just having breakable security?

      RTFA:

      T-Mobile, which apparently knew of the intrusions by July of last year, has not issued any public warning. Under California's anti-identity theft law "SB1386," the company is obliged to notify any California customers of a security breach in which their personally identifiable information is "reasonably believed to have been" compromised. That notification must be made in "the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay," but may be postponed if a law enforcement agency determines that the disclosure would compromise an investigation.

      It appears that if you sue, you won't win.

    3. Re:Get Moore !?! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I read even more of the FA:

      According to court records the massive T-Mobile breach first came to the government's attention in March 2004, when a hacker using the online moniker "Ethics" posted a provocative offer on muzzfuzz.com, one of the crime-facilitating online marketplaces being monitored by the Secret Service as part of Operation Firewall.
      "[A]m offering reverse lookup of information for a t-mobile cell phone, by phone number at the very least, you get name, ssn, and DOB at the upper end of the information returned, you get web username/password, voicemail password, secret question/answer, sim#, IMEA#, and more," Ethics wrote.

      It appears the feds knew about this months ago.

    4. Re:Get Moore !?! by maotx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google search of his e-mail brings up 161 posts.

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  3. Sophisticated Hackers by randalx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Didn't know Demi Moore and Paris Hilton were that good with computers.

  4. Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by Dragoon412 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved.

    Can't it just be assumed, at this point, that if there's some major event involving porn, that Paris Hilton is involved?
    1. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by doublem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She's what the media says should be the "perfect" woman. According to Hollywood and fashion designers, she's ideal.

      Wealthy
      Thin to the point of being unhealthy
      High Libido
      Slutty
      Blond
      Dumb as a post.

      As a result, the media HAS to go nuts about her, because toothpicks like her are the kind of trash they've been throwing at us for ages.

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    2. Re:Demi Moore and Paris Hilton are involved. by doublem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it all has to do with economics. The western economy is a culture of shame. "You're not good enough, so buy this product to BECOME good enough." The idea is to create expectations that are impossible to reach, so people are always striving and buying to get something they can never have.

      Mind you, I don't for a moment think this is the result of any kind of organized conspiracy. This is the logical consequence of about a century and a half of advertising campaigns telling us ways we're "not good enough."

      Toys like Barbie don't help matters much. I won't speculate about the motives behind the people who created the doll and it's proportions, but the end result has been a couple of generations of women growing up trying to look like that, and men growing up to expect women to look like that.

      One of the replies to your post was from someone who finds Paris attractive. I'm sure there's a percentage of people who are just naturally hard wired for those preferences, but given the fact that Paris' body isn't really capable of supporting a pregnancy without medical aid, I doubt she matches the image of what we EVOLVED to prefer.

      This advertising based image of the "ideal" is older than anyone alive today, and has become so ingrained that most people think its "normal" to find such an absurd image attractive, and even grow hostile towards those who imply otherwise.

      Actually, given the photos I've seen of Paris, and the statistics I've read (Some VERY thin friends are having kids) her chances of having a child with birth defects are a few orders of magnitude greater than the average American's. Having so little weight probably makes it difficult to carry a fetus to term and provide it the nutrients it needs to develop properly.

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  5. The Register has an article too ... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 2, Informative
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  6. His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://lists.jammed.com/securityjobs/2001/09/att-0 059/01-RESUME_OF_NICHOLAS_JACOBSEN.txt

    1. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by gustgr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Applications: Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Office Suite, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Suite, Maya 2.5, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Ultraweaver, Homesite, TopStyle, Adobe (various), AutoCAD, AutoDesk Inventor, Filemaker Pro, Borland Programming Suite, Flash, Poser, Internet Space Builder, Retina, Nscan, Nmap, Visual Route, PGP, SATAN, SANTA, SAINT, L0phtcrack, Crack/John the Ripper/Derivatives, Iris, Notepad, Ultra Edit, SoftIce, among others.

      Wow, Ubbercracker!

      No, Seriously... is my mom a hacker too? She just mastered MS Office...

    3. Re:His Resume is posted online ! by infochuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      HAHAHAA... has anybody actually read this? Basically, his experience amounts to attending security conferences and listening to presentations, as well as setting up booths for other computer conferences. Lots of experience on IRC.

      So basically, some script kiddy gets luckky and finds a router with the default password set and wreaks havoc. Nice to know the Telecom business is paying attention to security.

  7. Not-so Secret Service by Vollernurd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Surely the Secret Service would encrypt anything important? I would have though that they would not have used a commercial network service like that. But then again mum always told me not to think too much.

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    1. Re:Not-so Secret Service by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Funny
      I would have though that they would not have used a commercial network service like that.

      In other news, The President had to be reminded (again) that the White House Lobby Pay Phone should not be used to call Ariel Sharon.

    2. Re:Not-so Secret Service by fizban · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hello? Welcome to the United States. The internet infrastructure is built and controlled by companies. It's not like our government agencies have their own internet. If a Secret Service Agent needs to send an email to the home office, he'll pick up his sidekick, his Blackberry, his Palm, his laptop, etc., connect to a service provider like T-mobile, Verizon, Comcast, etc. and send his message or store his files. Probably encrypted, but maybe not always if it's not a considered a very sensitive communication.

      A lot of people have crazy delusions that secret agencies live in some far off technical wonderhome, where all communications are encrypted with some super 733t MD67 algorithm never before seen by any other person in the world, all access is controlled by handprint and retinal scan identification and everyone walks around with James Bond gadgets in their pockets. It's just not so. These people live and work in normal offices and normal homes and deal with the same crappy, bug-ridden and insecure hardware and software that the rest of us do. It's probably a bit better than your normal corporate office, but not by much.

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    3. Re:Not-so Secret Service by visualight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know what they're complaining about. I thought we weren't supposed to have an "expectation of privacy" with email. So it's legal to read anyones email without violating their privacy right?

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    4. Re:Not-so Secret Service by Maestro4k · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • A lot of people have crazy delusions that secret agencies live in some far off technical wonderhome, where all communications are encrypted with some super 733t MD67 algorithm never before seen by any other person in the world, all access is controlled by handprint and retinal scan identification and everyone walks around with James Bond gadgets in their pockets. It's just not so. These people live and work in normal offices and normal homes and deal with the same crappy, bug-ridden and insecure hardware and software that the rest of us do. It's probably a bit better than your normal corporate office, but not by much.
      Well I don't think they have any super leet encryption, but I do expect them to be smart enough to encrypt anything sensitive. According to the article many of the documents this guy obtained were things that most definitely should have been encrypted. I think a good question is why this agent was sending this stuff unsecured, and if he was disciplined for allowing a security breach to occur. (Face it, since he didn't encrypt the documents and passed them over a monitorable network he's partially responsible.)
    5. Re:Not-so Secret Service by flosofl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually it started as ARPAnet. And it wasn't started to send information "all over the world" for the government offices. It was started as way to:

      1 - eliminate the need for 4 different terminal types on one desk.(that was how the idea germinated)

      2 - Facilitate the sharing of information beteween gov't contractors and researchers who had ARPA grants.

      3 - A way to timeshare systems for researchers who would not oridinarily have access to such systems.

      It was US centric at the beginning and ARPA and ARPA's subcontractors/researchers only.

      And to head this off at the pass, ARPA net was NOT designed for fault tolerence of command/control during a nuclear war. That was the impetus behind Paul Baran's development of the idea of packet-switching networks (that wasn't his name - the term "packet" came from Davies who sorta developed the same idea concurrently). He could never drum up support for the idea with ATT (really the only entity that could impliment it at the time). They said it was stupid idea. ARPA later grabbed the idea and used it because it lent a robustness to otherwise unlreliable lines of communications and the IMPs that terminated each line. The fact of the fault tolerence in terms of catastrophic destruction due to war is simply a coincidental side effect when you take into account the reasons the ARPA project was using packet switched networks.

      Sorry. Got on my high-horse there. I just can't stand when people say that ARPAnet was designed in a distributed manner to survive a nuclear war (and even though no one's said it yet - well, this is Slashdot, so some future comments are predictable). Not true. It was the basis of Paul Baran's conceptual model of a packet switching distributed network.

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  8. The News by DrugCheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet the American public will be more flabergasted over the fact that he has pictures of Demi Moore and Paris Hilton that haven't been released then the fact he was spying on the Secret Service.

    Some days I'm proud to be american, but then the drugs wear off.

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  9. Re:Argh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    you mean cracker?

    How do you know he's white?

  10. Re:Paris Pictures by jokell82 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can somebody please post the Paris Hilton photos?

    Where is the -1 Disgusting mod when you need it?

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  11. Secret Service Mail Encryption by dnno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just because he is reading Secret Service mail doesn't mean it is important. For all we know the mail could read like this: On todays lunch menu we are not going to be having the chicken fajita due to a lack of chicken, we will be having PB & J's. Surely they have secure transmission lines (& methods of encryption) , so why would they send anything of importance over T-Mobiles network?

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    1. Re:Secret Service Mail Encryption by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Interesting
      • Just because he is reading Secret Service mail doesn't mean it is important. For all we know the mail could read like this: On todays lunch menu we are not going to be having the chicken fajita due to a lack of chicken, we will be having PB & J's. Surely they have secure transmission lines (& methods of encryption) , so why would they send anything of importance over T-Mobiles network?
      If you'd RTFA, you'd know that many of things he had access to were important, sensitive and, in an ideal world, should have been encrypted. One good question the article didn't ask is why'd the secret service agent send these things unencrypted over a monitorable network? Personally I'd like to know that he had been disciplined for allowing this security breach to occur.
  12. But how could he NOT get caught? by HawkinsD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FA says that he was offering ssn, dob, passwords, etc. for sale.

    So... let's say that I want to patronize his obviously grossly illegal service. How do you consummate a transaction like this? Cash in a Fedex envelope? Sent to whom? A P.O. box?

    Who performs first? Are there criminal escrow services?

    And how stupid do you have to be to take out an ad online, in a known criminal hangout, announcing your secret power, and providing contact info?

    Is there something I'm missing here?

    No, really.

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  13. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  14. Are budget cuts that severe? by motherjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why on earth is the Secret Service of the United States using T-Mobile as an ISP/Email provider?

    What's next? The FBI, CIA, etc is compromised while using hotmail, Yahoo, or Google mail?

    Are Gov IT cutbacks so severe they have to turn to places like this to send messages?

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  15. Funniest quote by davetrainer · · Score: 3, Funny
    "He basically just said there was flaw in the way the cell phone servers were set up," says William Genovese, a 27-year-old hacker facing unrelated charges for allegedly selling a copy of Microsoft's leaked source code for $20.00."

    I hope it came with an 18-dollar bill.

  16. Picture messages, by ambrosen · · Score: 2, Informative

    are uploaded to a phone company server and a link is sent to the recipient's phone, which then downloads the picture. So the content is by default stored on the company's server.

  17. Re:Hmm... by phats+garage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What, you're somehow expecting corporations and governments to be non-evil?

  18. T-Mobile Security by GJSchaller · · Score: 2, Informative

    My guess is that the Secret Service was using Blackberries, which uses encrypted transmissions between the Blackberry server and the device, and even multiple encryptions, if I remember correctly (one for the message, one for the Wireless). I doubt that they were stupid enough to use unencrpyted service, when regular non-Govt. customers can have encryption (We have it here at our job on our BBs). Note that they say "emails" and not "SMS" or "Text Messages."

  19. Gets ya thinking... by jchawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know it seems like the reason this guy got caught was because he was sloppy with his own identity online... If he would have been more careful with the names / icq numbers / people he trusted online, it's very unlikely that he would have gotten caught.

    I think he let his greed / ego get in the way when trying to offload this information that he obtained.

    This really makes you wonder about the guys you never hear about, the ones that don't get caught. :-/

  20. standards board by shameus_burp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even though I am not a T-Mobile subcriber, it's distrubing to me that my personal information is protected by the whim of a corporation and not by any standards. I think everyone is in agreement that corporations are driven by cost of security and not the security of it's subscribers. The government should fine T-Mobile for inadequet IT security and a security standards board should be created to set baseline security measures for corporations and other institutions. I'm not sure such a committee exists but it's clear to me that there are no defined rules to protect information. We have rules from the FDA in regards to food, rules to handle securities etc. Why not rules and laws to protect customer and employee information?

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    1. Re:standards board by nberardi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that T-Mobile should be fined for the lack of security and anybody that has a T-Mobile should be able to drop the account with out the early fees. But setting up another level of bueracracy to do something is never the answer, and the data was probably protected by some kind of standards. But as we have seen in the last week even an Open Standard such as Linux has holes in it. I don't know what T-Mobile uses, but this problem was due to a whole in security not a lack of security.

      There is always going to be some enterprising person that can get by any measure of security that you put in place, so setting up more buercracy to look at standards just makes it easier, because now the world knows how you store/protect data and thus makes it easier to find exploits.

  21. Re:Hmm... by pegr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So the guy hacks in to the network, steals personal information, downloads private pictures, sells all this stuff... and then he's able to get away with just one felony, no jail time, and even a work offer for the Secret Service?

    If you think the Secret Service won't use his skills in exactly the same way he was offering to the public before he got busted, you are mistaken. That is to say (explicitly), the Feds will use this guy to break into private computer networks and steal information of interest to them. They will keep him at arms length in case he gets caught. This is the way law enforcement (unfortunately) works...

  22. Are you new here? by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Situational ethics are pervasive in our society. Steal 100,000,000 through insurance fraud, you get 5 years. Rob 10,000 at a bank, and get 20.

    This is also the same country where we gave a dictator the technology and biological weapons to kill his own people by the tens of thousands, and used that as a reason 15 years later to depose him.

    Get used to it.

    1. Re:Are you new here? by captwheeler · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Calling it " Situational ethics" is a red herring: the situation does matter in ethics. Fraud is less serious then the possibility of violence.

      The problem is the governments willingness to use criminals.

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  23. No wonder this is being kept quiet by IndiJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A few replies to this posting have expressed surprise that SS agents use commercial wireless accounts, but how else could they send information to and from the field wirelessly? A few more have suggested that the compromised SS data may just be intra-agency chit-chat, but a couple things suggest that may not be so.

    First of all, the nature of the documents that were leaked in the IRC chat - one is described as an "internal memo", and the other is probably a treaty with the Russians to share criminal information. No details are given re the content of the memo, but it could have been extremely damaging to a case in progress. And the treaty is probably not sensitive in and of itself, but its presence could tip off Russian computer criminals to watch their backs.

    Now, the guy whose account was raided for this info is a recent celebrity for taking out a previous hacker. It would probably be extremely embarassing to the agency for his goof to be exposed like this.

    And then there's the fact that this MASSIVE series of criminal acts is being written down to just a single felony... and they're giving the guy a job!

    Now I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it seems likely to me that this dude got off (and got a job!) so light not for his m4d-l33t h4x0r skills, but because of the potential embarrasment to the service, and the damage the publicity might do to other cases. It seems the lesson here is that it doesn't matter what crime you commit online, or on what scale, as long as you:

    1. Do not make a spectacle of yourself (ex. by altering google's start page to display your hacker handle, or making a massively infectious trojan/worm/virus).
    2. Embarass or otherwise compromise the investigators.

    The precedent that these two points set is worrying. Crackers are annoying when they deface websites, bring down servers or spread virus-like software - but it's only a few hours annoyance (a week at the most), then the problem passes (for most people). Once crackers get the message that the clowns get stiff fines and the real dangerous people get off light (plus get a lot more out of it if they don't get caught), it would seem to make sense to stop "tagging" or writing viruses and go for the big game. Furthermore, the cops become a very attractive target, which could compromise many more, unrelated cases.

    So the message as I read it is: "Don't be a script kiddie, crack the FBI! If you get away with it you get rich, and if you get caught you get a job."

    Both the Secret Service and T-Mobile should be publicly shamed for the debacle, and the response, if only it wouldn't risk compromising other cases.

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  24. uh, blackmail? by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As much as we make fun of the computer knowledge of our governments, they finally seem to be on the right track. You must have some of these guys in your pocket to really have a chance. Can you trust them? Probably not completely... but if they bring you some knowledge, skills, and some of the most damaging players, then it's worth it.

    Um...you do realize they're blackmailing him, right?

    Honestly, I can't decide if being blackmailed is better or worse than him rotting in jail. We don't let people off the hook for robbing convenience stores "for fun" or "for the challenge", unless they're insane enough that they don't understand it's wrong (in which case, they go to a mental institution, not jail) and people intelligent enough to do the hacking are intelligent enough to understand breaking into something that doesn't belong to you is wrong; anything else is just creative ass-covering by hackers and their lawyers.

    In case you hadn't figured it out by now, I'm not a Mitnick fanboy, which I know isn't very popular even today...

  25. Re:Hmm... by Cyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    --> Johanne (urarrested@ARN-34.i_am_from_the_united_states_sec ret_service.gov)
    Hello fellow criminals. Let's do crime.

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  26. Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by oobob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So... let's say that I want to patronize his obviously grossly illegal service. How do you consummate a transaction like this? Cash in a Fedex envelope? Sent to whom? A P.O. box?

    Who performs first? Are there criminal escrow services?


    This page, linked in the posted article, has some explanation about how they traded:

    "The 4,000 Shadowcrew members were participants in an underground economy capable of providing a dizzying array of illicit products and services. The most active commodities were "dumps" of credit card account data, fake physical cards to go with the dumps ($50 blank, $70 embossed, in bulk), and expertly forged identification to help pass the plastic at the local consumer electronics store. Credit reports, hacked online bank accounts, and names, birthdates and social security numbers of potential identity theft targets were also for sale in bulk.

    Each product had its own specialists, and every vendor had to be reviewed by a trusted site member before they were allowed to sell. Disputes were handled judiciously, "rippers" selling bunk products quickly exposed and banned from the site. In one case a vendor who owed another member money was allowed to continue selling only on the condition that his future illicit earnings would be garnished until his debt was repaid..

    Members of the community even traded in tangible items like ATM skimmers, prescription drugs, and cocaine, and services like DDoS for hire and malware customization. One well-reviewed vendor offered a test-taking service that promised to get customers technical certifications within days. He was permitted to vend after earning the reviewer a Microsoft MCP certification under an alias."

    And how stupid do you have to be to take out an ad online, in a known criminal hangout, announcing your secret power, and providing contact info?

    Um, dude, have you ever hung out on undernet? All sorts of shady shit happens there. I've known friends who knew people from online chatrooms who hijacked business conference call lines and made them available to entire chatrooms as a group conference voicechat line. Warring chatrooms would even appear and try to make the line unusable. I thought it was moronic (they even called from their home and work phones for God's sake!), but I think people aren't used to the internet's topology. The lack of a physical police presence makes people pretty confident and reckless - you're not there, so they can't just arrest you on the spot, which eliminates most of the anxiety in any crime (smoke weed in a public park and your house and compare your reactions). Even worse, because of the nature of the internet, the police don't need a physical presence to monitor any of it, so criminals can't just look over and notice that shady van across the street. The lack of these real-world reminders makes for bad heuristic judgments. You'd think hackers would be the first to notice that their lack of fear is due to this sort of fallacy, but from the article, it's clear that some don't.

    Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that it's easy to catch people committing crimes online. It's extremely difficult. GHB kits thrived online, and I'm sure if you still looked you could find products ostensibly marketed for other reasons that are just clandestine GHB kits on google (that's the only example you get, but you'd all be fucking shocked if you knew just how many drugs are sold online with Visa and paypal). If you take only the most obvious precautions, it's many times harder. Something as simple as using a proxy and encryption from a "borrowed" wireless connection can make criminals almost undetectable. Many of us use one of the three reguarly. How hard is it to combine them?

    The police can't monitor everything. Even if they devoted the resources to looking for this sort of thing, how many people know the magic combinations of words and searching techniques that let them

    1. Re:Even Hung Out On UnderNet? by oobob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why yes, that's exactly my reasoning. Such a sagacious insight from such a clever man.

  27. Re:Paris Pictures by LighthouseJ · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm still waiting for my "+1: Skank" mod to be approved.

  28. Re:Hmm... by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So the guy hacks in to the network, steals personal information, downloads private pictures, sells all this stuff... and then he's able to get away with just one felony, no jail time, and even a work offer for the Secret Service?

    The government does this all the time in organized crime and drug cases. Look at a guy like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. He killed god knows how many as a member of the Gambino family not to mention a list of other crimes a mile long but was given a slap on the wrist and a new identity for turning states evidence.

    Nothing new here.

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  29. Re:Candid and intimate photos of Paris? by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's a link

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  30. Yep, the guy was stupid by Tassach · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:
    [He] even knew the agency was monitoring his own Microsoft ICQ chat account
    Come on, how frelling stupid can you be? You've got hard intel that the opposition is on to you and you don't shut down your operation? At the very least you crank up your operational security a notch or ten in that situation.

    The guy crossed the line when he went to sell personal information to identity theives. Looking at famous people's candid photos is pretty harmless (as long as he's not selling them to some tabloid or spreading them around). Reading the SS's email is the ultimate in poetic justice; they should be more aware of just how insecure email is than just about anyone. It's inexcuable for the frelling SS to have been sending sensitive documents around in unencrypted emails.

    In the end, it sounds like the guy got caught because of his own hubris. Which, when you think about it, is typical... criminals get busted not because the cops are spectacuarly competant, but because they run their mouths off.

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    1. Re:Yep, the guy was stupid by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's inexcuable for the frelling SS to have been sending sensitive documents around in unencrypted emails.

      The SS? Don't these guys use Enigma? :p

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  31. A little high? by Nikker · · Score: 2, Funny

    "William Genovese...unrelated charges for allegedly selling a copy of Microsoft's leaked source code for $20.00.

    Musta been one hell of a SE to get that much ...

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  32. Hacker penetrates Demi Moore and Paris Hilton by maharg · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. now *that* would be a story ;o)

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  33. Meet the script kiddie. by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative
    This really makes you wonder about the guys you never hear about, the ones that don't get caught. :-/

    I agree, the most disturbing thing about all of this is the low level of knowledge of the hacker. He was nothing but a script kiddie on his resume and he was caught with obvious mistakes. We can be sure that TMobile and others are still owned by more sophisticated crackers who will not be caught.

    The article links to a 2001 resume which never mentions GNU and only once mentions Unix but lots of Windozed based cracker toys and garbage. His efforts, while many, were too narrowly focused.

    It does not look like he mastered Windoze cracking or much else by the time he was caught three years later. Besides being dumb enough to try to sell information, he accepted a proxy from a stranger. Someone who knew what they were doing would have a botnet proxy they set up themselves that could never be traced through. What else is windoze cracking good for?

    The whole mindset was script kiddie. Own a phone service and collect stuff. What a waste of time.

    He got his resume wish in a perverse way. He wanted a job is computer security. Now he's a felon and gets to spend some quality time as a government slave, snitching on his friends till he's all used up. Or he can go to jail and take the usual felon jobs: dishwasher, garbage man and other highly undesirable manual labor in tiny shops that know they can abuse you. Those jobs will be waiting for him when the government is through with him.

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  34. A chain is as strong... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    as its weakest link.

    (This event could be called "backdoor", couldn't it?)

  35. Re:SSH on T-Mobile - Not Secure by Wonko42 · · Score: 2, Informative
    The source code for Danger's SSH client is included in the hiptop SDK. If you suspect it's doing something shady, why not sign up for a developer account at http://developer.danger.com and download the source?

    That said, I've used the SSH client myself and even glanced through the source briefly, and nothing struck me as suspicious. As for the hiptop lacking the power to do the encryption, that's why it takes the client a good thirty seconds or so just to perform the initial handshake.