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Windows XP Starter Edition Review

Digitalommm writes "Paul Thurrott has a story on the latest developments on Windows XP Starter Edition. There are some very good points that the Linux community could adopt. An example is end-user training videos such as how to use a mouse." This is an optimistic, even glowing look at the Starter Edition, which even for Thurrot was not available for unsupervised use, only demonstrated by Microsoft for him. (For using-a-mouse videos, I would suggest also Roblimo's book Point and Click Linux .)

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  1. Nothing to see here by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please let me know when the come out with Windows XP FINISHED edition, so maybe we have a chance at something better

    1. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, Slashdot: Where three million geeks get the joke, but it's the five who don't who feel compelled to post.

    2. Re:Nothing to see here by akadruid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know this is a joke, but it's a serious point. From reading slashdot it seems people don't understand why Microsoft have done this. Security, Piracy, etc, none of these things have anything to do with it.

      It's all about getting new users into the Microsoft habit. They're like drug dealers, who offer the first hit free. In the west, the market is already sewn up, and your schools are educating your children that Microsoft is the only way. But out in India, Thailand, China, and so on, there are many millions of people who will get their first computer in the next 5 years. XPSE means these people will be getting their first hit free.

      Microsoft don't want to sell Windows on shelves, they want to bundle Windows. Bundled Windows, taken for granted Windows, gives them Power. Power they can use to sell the things that really matter: big bucks corperate licenses, OEM deals, and so on.

      With XPSE they will extend their awesome power over the 'long tail' of non-'power' users.

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    3. Re:Nothing to see here by SquadBoy · · Score: 3, Funny

      apt-get install sense-of-humour

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  2. Using a mouse. by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Position yourself under see through stairway.
    2. Wait for skirt wearing executive.
    3. Release mouse.
    4. Peek-a-boo!

  3. Review, my arse by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Thurrot was not available for unsupervised use, only demonstrated by Microsoft for him
    Sorry, but in my book that doesn't qualify him to write a "review", or anything like it. The word that should be used is "glorified adverts". People who write reviews must be allowed to experience what they're reviewing, and form critical opinions from that.
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    1. Re:Review, my arse by wankledot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The word that should be used is "glorified adverts"

      Which is exactly what everything Paul writes can be described as. He's a shill, pure and simple.

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  4. Mouse Usage 101 by CaptainBaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Click here to find out how to use a mouse!

    What? Eh? Oh.

    1. Re:Mouse Usage 101 by Apreche · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is actually pretty scary and shows some insight on Microsoft's part. I setup my grandparents with a new PC like so. It doesn't get any easier than that. I even set it to one-click instead of double click. I figure all I had to teach them was how to use Firefox, Thunderbird and gaim. And if they ever needed the rest they could figure it out. But apparently they didn't know how to use the mouse. it was quite frightening. If I'm ever so old I can't learn new things as easily as I can now, shoot me.

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  5. This could be dangerous! by TildeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, admittedly some people need to learn the most basic of skills, such as how to use a mouse. But the people at this basic level should not then be expected to know how to keep their computer completely up-to-date and patched, or even why that's important! Given how many problems have come out of MSIE recently and how most new users primarily want to use this magical 'internet' thing, this is a huge risk.

    There's really nothing more reliable for support than having a friend who knows what he/she is doing anyway.

  6. I'm sorry... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... but wouldn't you have to already know how to use a mouse BEFORE playing those videos?!

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    1. Re:I'm sorry... by magefile · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why aren't touchscreens commonplace? Google for "gorilla arm syndrome" sometime.

  7. training video?? by jxyama · · Score: 4, Interesting
    please. giving credit for a training video on how to use a mouse is a bit off the mark. learning to use a mouse is beyond using windows or linux. it's basic computing.

    for the price/time involved with making/watching such a video, why not provide a fool-proof "play/experiment area" mode of the OS where you can do any mouse movement/clicking and it won't permanently affect the computer system at all? of course, it will still let you drag, click, open, etc. but it won't permanently alter the files, system, etc.

    afterall, the best way to learn to use the mouse is to actually use it, not watch a video. this way, a novice user can play with the mouse to heart's content without fearing "oops, the system is no good because i moved something" kind of a situation.

    do food processor companies deserve the credit for providing a video on how to plug in the power plug?

  8. Max. 3 programs by RikRat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The product can run three programs at a time. For those families, this is exactly what they want. That's a great experience for them." Right... exactly what they want. They want to run Explorer.exe, Internet Explorer, Outlook, Wor-- wait, close an application first! "One of the big criticisms about XP Starter Edition is that it can run just three applications simultaneously, so I was curious to see what it would do if you attempted to launch more than three. In this case, the system displays a notification window telling you that you can only run three applications. The notification roughly reads as, "With Windows XP Starter Edition, you can run three programs at a time. To open a new program, please save your work, close one open application, and open the new application again." Nice work! And I guess the 800x600 max resolution is also "exactly what they want". Bah.

  9. Re:Good Job Timothy by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is Microsoft [like many companies in the software biz] doesn't promote many technical merits behind their software. They're more about "mind-share" than "tech-share".

    But afterall, that's what a good business does. Only look short-term how to make the most amount of money.

    Personally I hate windows not because I'm a l33t linux user. Or that it's cool to hate Windows. I hate Windows because it's fucking annoying. No developement tools, one desktop, totally exploited every 8 seconds, the kernel isn't that stable, you can't restart the desktop without rebooting, etc....

    Rarely if ever do I have to cold-reboot my linux box. Usually restarting X will fix any problems [which also happens rarely] with the desktop.

    That and I can hack the kernel if I want [which I have had todo once when cpufreqd was a bit whiny about my buggy bios having 2 PST entries]. Can't do that in Windows...

    Tom

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  10. mouse usage by lkcl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i know it sounds archaic, but i have watched no-skills mouse users and it's quite serious. they:

    1) play "hunt the cursor" because of poor eyesight and lack of experience with visual on-screen clues

    2) hold a mouse with two or less fingers

    3) move the mouse around tepidly and definitely not straight such that the cursor movement bears little relation to on-screen movement

    4) moving the mouse around in order to locate the cursor itself.

    5) let go of the mouse and watch the mouse itself not the screen in order to press a button on it - result: mouse moves...

    the use of a mouse is something that is taken for granted. try using your mouse with your OTHER hand for a few weeks to see what i mean (if you are not ambidextrous of course).

    try also upping the cursor accelerator and click-speed to absolute max in order to simulate lack of coordination.

    and then: don't you bloody dare write another application with many-leveled drop-down and drop-sideways menus ever again!

  11. Wrong market by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting
    People who end up with WindowsXP starter edition do not buy it directly. The OEM does for them.

    THis is why I could not stand the arguments like "Consumers chose MS with their wallets..." when the anti trust trial was going on.

    Lusers do not know what Linux is or care. ALl they know is they bought a computer and want to plug it in and use it. Do they even know what an OS is?

    I looked at the WindowsXP crippled errr starter edition in the link of the story. It is crippled regardless of what MS may tell you otherwise so they can get you to fork over $200 (alot of money in third world countries) if you want features like resolutions above 800 x 600. The users in these countries never owned a pc so they have no concept of features nor care.

    My point is training video's will help users of course learn the os but they will only use what comes with their computer and nothing else. Installing software or requiring them to learn is too much of an effort. Many I bet wont even click the video's because that would be too much of an effort.

    The exception would be a dos oriented computer which many OEM's like HP include in the countries that install the starter edition. Since dos requires the users to actually learn commands, most will find a friend to install WindowsXP for them so they can use a mouse with the nice pretty icons.

  12. I wonder by dj245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many will forgo Windows XP Crippled edition and go with Windows XP Pro Sp2 Bittorrent Edition?

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  13. I can see it now... by Walkiry · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Double click this icon to see the help video about using the mouse".

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  14. Give Microsoft some credit here by OnlySlightly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Based on the comments so far, I don't think anyone has RTFA. I have read all of the "crippled" comments previously. If you RTFA, you see that Microsoft was headed for a particular audience with particular needs. They are aiming for people with absolutely zero computer experience. They are also aiming at "cheap" hardware so that their target audience might have a chance of actually affording it. I think that we should give Microsoft some credit on this one. They are trying to hit a new market (yes, corporations are ultimately about money); and they are doing it with their users needs in mind.

  15. Desktop Linux rocks and free=good attitude. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm so tired of reading this flambait. Garbage like this had some kernel of truth to it back in 1998 of so. Even then, you would be hard pressed to find a friendlier group than free software users. Today that group is being joined by the same people who once made using Windoze easy, everyone else. Insults to users and developers are not going to help anyone, so you Microsoft Astroturfers had better cut it out. Desktop Linux is here and it's better than Bill Gates' computer wet dreams.

    Unfortunately, it comes down to this. Linux is essentially developed by geeks for geeks, and, as a generality, geeks have little time/patience with the "clueless newbie unwashed" who need their hands held.

    And somehow closed source developers who have little time/patience for even their PEERS are better? What crap, the thing that support people are sick of is M$ problems, not the users Microsoft likes to blame for them. Users themselves are sick of junk that breaks so easily and being blamed for the problems. If you want real attitude problems, look to Redmond.

    M$ computer "support" comes from two places, people who help their friends and $50/hr phone calls to M$. The second group is famous for being as helpful as psychic friends network, but less friendly. The first group is dumping Microsoft and all of it's problems and insults.

    If Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop, it will take the effort of many dedicated people who not only have the time & the patience, but also obsess about the user experience of the aforementioned unwashed.

    Where have you been? Desktop Linux is here and it's easier to use than Winblows. Distributions like Mepis install in less than 20 minutes and run great. The kernel does the hardware detection, so the user does not have to read arcane manuals, feed the computer floppies and CDs and reboot six or seven times. Printer configuration through CUPS and KDE is likewise a walk in the park. The KDE UI is both more powerful and easier to use than Winblows' pathetic, single screen ugly. 99% of what normal users want is there by default, where M$ users have to visit a store and spend hundreds of dollars and get the extra pleasures of DRM, DLL hell and other nasties. Getting specialized software is as easy as a no cost click with programs like Synaptic or Kpackage. Most importantly, free software keeps working. It stays up longer, for those who care, and it does not get eaten by automated worms, spyware, malware and other M$ born infection.

    Unlike the average /. reader, the majority of people view the computer as a tool, a means to an end, not as a hobby and not as the end itself.

    The average slashdot reader is well aware of that. Those that want to keep their reputation for recommending the best now recommend free software.

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