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Gamedrool.com (via Kotaku) has the text from a letter to Gamepro from 2001, sent by then-president of 3DO Trip Hawkins. It's a hilarious look at what kind of flack you can get for offering up an opinion in a public venue. From the article: "I would hope you can recognize that I do not love all my children equally and can be objective about both good and bad features in a game as well as games that are of quality and those that are not. I do not send messages like this to you after every review. But this happens to be a game that I have played all the way through and beaten on all difficulty levels and I know the game intimately. I also have seen the profound positive effect this game has had on my children. "

51 comments

  1. Fault in the User? by Fitzghon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I personally think we made a game that hard-core adult male gamers would enjoy. But I can understand that some of them would reject it the same way some adults reject Shrek or Beethoven. But personally, I think that really means there is something wrong with a man like that, not with Portal Runner. " So... Bad games aren't bad, they just have bad gamers? Fitzghon

    1. Re:Fault in the User? by dougmc · · Score: 1
      But I can understand that some of them would reject it the same way some adults reject Shrek or Beethoven.
      Ok, Shrek is unambiguous enough. But Beethoven -- is that Beethoven the composer I'm supposed to reject, or Beethoven the dog?
    2. Re:Fault in the User? by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      Based on context, most likely Beethoven the dog, since the movies are aimed at a younger audience like Shrek is, and both are more likely to be rejected as "kid stuff" by an adult audience. Beethoven the composer would be more likely to be rejected by the younger audience than an older one.

  2. The review that's being responded to by Kingfox · · Score: 1
    Here is the initial panning of the game. It ends with:
    Mercifully, Portal Runner's missions are short, and even incompetent gamers will have no problem conquering the easy "puzzles"---a good thing since players will get tired of the tinny in-game music and Vikki's raspy-voiced one-liners real fast. Stay away. Stay far away.
  3. Bah, that's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    compared to some of Derek Smart's insightful remarks.

    1. Re:Bah, that's nothing by Squatchman · · Score: 1

      Derek is master of the bad review response. He could put that shit into a book and title it, "Nobody likes my games and here's why".

  4. Holy Crap by nathanmace · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is nothing more than a CEO complaining that Gamepro didn't "return the favor" and give a crappy game a good rating. He mentions that 3DO is/was a major advertiser for Gamepro, and that (paraphrasing) Gamepro should been a "better" friend and given the game a "better" score.

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    1. Re:Holy Crap by Squatchman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I suppose this means that some games are so bad that you can't buy them a good review?

    2. Re:Holy Crap by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

      Man...who is this CEO...

      He must be Trippin!!!

      HA HA HA HA!

      Where do I come UP with them?!

      I've gotten some crap from game publishers, but it's few and far between. Back when I used to write for Gameplayer, I panned Evil Zone, a literal 1-button fighting game. The PR guy called me up and complained...I told the guy, sorry, but there was just no way he was going to convince me that the game was somehow better than I felt it was.

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  5. It was actually a fairly reasonable letter until.. by vhold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... he started threatening them with cut advertising.

    I was actually kind of with the guy on the whole "Find audiences for a game instead of just assuming everybody is like you" concept of reviewing, at least if it's a mainstream site. But when he cut into the threats about biting the hand that feeds you, well, I completely lost touch. The last thing a reader wants from a review site is a bought reviewer.

    Of course I'm not the audience for that letter, I wonder how much their bottom line was actually affected. So the real question becomes.. how much does that sponsorship affect reviews? Is it possible to quantify it? If you compare reviews for games on sites that have ads for those games to reviews on sites that don't, can you find a coorelation that cross cuts many games? Common sense says that such a coorelation is so likely as to be obvious.

    If that's is the case, that really doesn't set up the writer of this letter for ridicule. He's behaving accordingly to the climate. Who's more unscrupulous? Those that accept a bribe or those that offer it?

  6. Yikes.. by cbrichar · · Score: 1
    You have so much more to gain if you are enthusiasts for gaming, and try to find the audience for a new game. You are so much better off if you do not bite the hand that feeds you.

    You are so much better if you let us keep face, take your paycheque home and don't make waves?

  7. One thing stands out by DaveJay · · Score: 3

    In the letter, he says that a pro-game advertisement running alongside a poor review for the same game makes the reader think the review is honest and advertisement is biased, and claims that usually it's the other way around.

    I'm sorry, but every single advertisement ever written for anything anywhere, is biased. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

    1. Re:One thing stands out by bynary · · Score: 1

      If a consumer sees a bad editorial, and a positive ad, they are going to assume the ad is biased (what is frustrating is that often it is the other way around).

      Gee, Trip, ya think? Since when have advertisements been anything but biased (with the exception of Crazy People)?

      Good thing 3DO makes such good games, otherwise I might start to agree with GamePro. Oh wait...

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    2. Re:One thing stands out by evilmousse · · Score: 1


      THANK you, EXACTLY.

      if anything, i take a diversity in advertizing / content as an indicator of true impartiality.

  8. Hardly by oboylet · · Score: 1

    It's not the reviewer's job to find an audience for the game -- that's the marketing dept's job. Gamepro was a journalistic publication. They're job was to report on the industry, not to be lackies for 3DO like Tripp wanted.

  9. Idiots Write Letters by exick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reviewers who don't consult with the game publisher about the intended audience, and don't attempt to position a game in terms of who might like it and who might not like it, are unprofessional.

    Let me translate for you:
    Game reviewers who share their true opinions instead of trying to push units and help even the shittiest of games turn a profit are unprofessional.

    1. Re:Idiots Write Letters by zonker · · Score: 0

      i agree with you mostly. however i think there might be a little bit of truth to what he said. i can see it being good for a reviewer to try to find an audience for a game. there are some games that are fun but it would be hard to figure out who the game would be fun to.

      for example "Katamari Damacy" is one of those games that is fun but it's hard to describe why. there's nothing really quite like it. if you saw a really cool game that may not be marketed well or at all and you fear that the game may not be discovered it would be a service to the readers to tell them that they should ignore the box and buy the game.

      of course the opposite can be true too for bad games. if you see a game that is truly bad or is really not going to please the audience it seems to be marketed at, you might want to tell the reader that. for example, "Steven Seagal Is the Final Option". it is a game that is aimed at god only knows who. however a good reviewer would tell the reader that they should play this game if and only if they have received a blunt trauma to the head or have the iq of a turnip. fortunately seanbaby did just that.

  10. Thinking of the children by StocDred · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I do not love all my children equally ... I also have seen the profound positive effect this game has had on my children.

    What children are we talking about here? Children-as-product, or children-as-kids? The confused nouns in Paragraph 1 indicate his tone and mood for the entire misguided letter.

    Plus, points off for mentioning "God." Twice.

  11. Is this guy talking about games by Jakhel · · Score: 1

    or slashdot? ;)

    From the article:
    The audience for games no longer consists of one iconic block of angry young men who cannot get a date on Saturday night.

    and more:

    dominated by angry young men that are poorly trained and represent a narrow and anarchistic element of the world's population. They have a negative attitude and are looking for what is wrong with something, instead of looking for what is right and who might like it.

    It reminds me of boys at junior high school dance. With their fragile egos, they stay on the sideline and say the band sucks, the girls are ugly, and that those brave enough to dance are lousy dancers.


  12. A specific point in the letter... by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 1

    One of the points he makes is that reviewers assume that they are the be-all and end-all of the video game consumer. I have seen many reviews lately of games intended for children that either fail to take this into account at all, or dismiss it as not an excuse for simpler controls and/or gameplay. It doesn't seem helpful to anyone to pan a game in gamespy or ign or whereever, when its intended for individuals who don't even read that site. If these sites insist on reviewing the game, and the reviewer doesn't not possess the expertise to put themselves in the head of the intended player, why not let a little kid write the review? At least it will be funny, if not more accurate.

    1. Re:A specific point in the letter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the reviewer doesn't not possess the expertise to put themselves in the head of the intended player, why not let a little kid write the review? At least it will be funny, if not more accurate.

      What makes you think they aren't doing this now?

    2. Re:A specific point in the letter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, considering that the readership of the publication likely consists of people of similar oppinion as the reviewers ignoring potential other audiences would make sense since those other audiences would read other publications with other review criteria.

  13. Eh, it's GamePro by ayersrj · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any magazine that ranks 1 through 5 with different levels of colorful smileys and has JD Roth from Fun House reviewing the latest games probably doesn't deserve anyone's time or money to begin with.

    1. Re:Eh, it's GamePro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP rocks. I love that magazine. I have read it for years and I still love it, what are you some bitter ex gp'er?

      they just started doing editor blogs, and this article is from them, seem bubblegum to you?

      hater.

    2. Re:Eh, it's GamePro by ayersrj · · Score: 1

      my cat has a blog. just because they "blog" now and put out an article like this after the offending company has gone out of business doesn't them badass.

      i'm not a bitter ex gp'er but it's hard to change your mind when they make nintendo power seem more objective over the years

  14. The acutal effect is likely a bit different. by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    Ever notice that the actual 'average' scores are almost never given? If a review ranks games out of 10, and there are 100 games reviewed, you would expect about half to be 5 or lower, an half to be 6 or better, with most games falling between 4 and 7.

    Instead, you see most games ranging from 6 to 8.

    You will never see a truly negative review for a game unless that game is indefensible. Game mags cannot afford to offend advertisers.

    END COMMUNICATION

    1. Re:The acutal effect is likely a bit different. by vhold · · Score: 1

      I've definitely noticed that, but I chalked it up to a very different meaning. I've read a lot of seriously negative reviews where the practical upshot is to not buy the game but it got a 7 or 6.5.

      I think reviews tend to work more like grades in school. If your score is 50% of 100%, that's typically a fail, not the average. Below 60 is a total fail, 60-70 is below average, 70-80 is the average range, 80-90 is above average and 90+ is excellent.

    2. Re:The acutal effect is likely a bit different. by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used to believe this, but the more I've thought about things, the more I'm inclined towards a slightly more benign conclusion.

      When I first started reading gaming mags in the late 80s/early 90s, genuinely bad reviews were pretty common. Games getting 20% or less weren't exactly common, but nor were they rare. Plenty got less than 50%. Obviously, this isn't the case today.

      However, when you stop and think about it, it's rare that you actually get a genuinely bad commercial game these days. It's true. I looked up some videos of the game in question and, from what I can see, it's an average, underwhelming early-PS2 action game. Yes, it's nothing like as good as any number of other games you could have bought at the time. It no doubt had a frustrating control system, poor level design and repetative gameplay. However, if you'd never seen Halo, Kingdom Hearts, Zelda, Metal Gear Solid or, indeed, any other modern video game before, you'd probably be pretty impressed by this. At worst, you can play through the game from beginning to end and probably not want to stab yourself in the eyes with a pair of scissors.

      The commercial games development world has just moved on too far to produce truly bad games. Virtually all games go through at least some QA before launch. Indeed, if you want to release on one of the big three consoles, you have to convince Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo that your game is worthy of launch and won't be an embarrassment to their system.

      Of course, the occasional utter stinker does still happen, particularly on the PC. Budget developers like Valusoft don't always have the same standards as the rest of the industry. I remember there was a truck racing game a few months ago which actually made a slashdot news story just because it was so sheer bloody awful. All the reviews of this game were sub-20%.

      So, where does this leave the reviewer? In a bit of a quandry, to be honest. He has to be fair to the games he's reviewing and shouldn't call them truly bad unless they actually are. However, he also has a duty to let his customers know whether the game he's looking at is worth their cash. I suspect this is why we see so many reviews where the score is in the 60% range but the review text makes it clear that the game shouldn't be purchased.

    3. Re:The acutal effect is likely a bit different. by argel · · Score: 1

      Computer Gaming World usually has a good balance of reviews. Sometimes there are even more negative reviews than good ones. I think one issue a couple years ago had only 3.5 stars or less reviews in it (out of 5 stars).

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    4. Re:The acutal effect is likely a bit different. by Ahnteis · · Score: 1

      You have to realize that there are a LOT of games that are never reviewed. MOST reviews are of big-budget games made by experienced companies. It would be a shocker if those games had the same "score" distribution (statistically) as games in general.

    5. Re:The acutal effect is likely a bit different. by Incoherent07 · · Score: 1

      The trick is that this doesn't stop movie reviewers from giving 1 star, or whatever your lowest score is, to big-budget films. Certainly THEY don't review every indie film that some hack director churns out.

      I've noticed grandparent's point, also. Even the players (in their reviews, as on the "review it yourself" feature of major gaming websites, or on GameFAQs) tend to fall into the trap of making a 10 point rating scale into a 7 point rating scale by defining 4 to be bad, 7 to be average, and 10 to be great. This effect is made worse because the players making reviews are self-selected and are more likely to vote 10 for fanboy reasons, but this scale seems peculiar to games, more so than any other arena.

      If you have a 10 point scale, use all 10 points!

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  15. Erm... by Richie1984 · · Score: 1

    If you disagree with me, you do so at your own peril

    Anyone else picturing an evil bald guy sitting in a black chair, stroking a white cat?

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    1. Re:Erm... by chrish · · Score: 1

      A cat if we're lucky.

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  16. I wish 3DO still existed... by trawg · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... so I could stop buying their games

  17. Re:It was actually a fairly reasonable letter unti by SansTinfoilHat · · Score: 1

    If you compare reviews for games on sites that have ads for those games to reviews on sites that don't, can you find a coorelation that cross cuts many games?

    That is something I've thought about a lot. But the realization I've come to is that ad-revenue backed sites tend to at least be accountible for their scores and reviews.

    I've seen so many forum posts and independent websites that fall into the general industry memes and hype that predetermine a game's fate before it is ever picked up.

    Not to say the major sites don't do it as well, but at least I know they have an editor.

  18. He made one good point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The audience for games no longer consists of one iconic block of angry young men who cannot get a date on Saturday night.

    Right. Now it's all seven days.

  19. Nothing wrong with a little anarchism! ;) by Polarism · · Score: 1

    Now... about that date..

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  20. RAR, TRIP HAWKINS WILL CRUSH YOU by ArmpitMan · · Score: 3, Funny
    And do not patronize me by telling me the reader is the customer--your real customer is the one that pays you your revenue. And it is game industry advertisers. If you need to be able to be constantly negative you need to accept that you are like a parasite that is killing its host.

    Man, and to think -- EA didn't really start being evil until after Trip Hawkins left.

  21. Trip's right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...at least, he's right when he says a kids' game shouldn't be slammed for being a kids' game.

    A reviewer has to assume that anyone reading the review is at least mildly interested in the game. If the game is a niche game, then he has to assume that he's writing to a member of that niche audience. He should write the review as if he's talking to the person for whom that game is intended. Or more accurately, he should write the review as if he's talking to the person who is most likely to consider buying the game.

    If it's a kid's game, he should write the review as if he's talking to parents--the people who buy kid's games.

    "Know your audience" is a fundamental principle of any writer and game "journalists" aren't exempt.

    1. Re:Trip's right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A game just for kids may as well not be made, give us Super Mario Bros. 3.

  22. Gaming magazines are in a sad state... by superultra · · Score: 1

    ...when you have to go back to 2001 for reading material.

  23. wanker publishers by spir0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You are so much better off if you do not bite the hand that feeds you. And do not patronize me by telling me the reader is the customer--your real customer is the one that pays you your revenue. And it is game industry advertisers. If you need to be able to be constantly negative you need to accept that you are like a parasite that is killing its host.

    as far as I see it, gamers are the real customers. game developers and game magazines don't exist without the gamers.

    I love the fact that GamePro did this. I tried at one stage to review a game for a really big online review site here in New Zealand. I wrote a review, had it read and was told, "that's great, but we don't have a good relationship with the publisher, so we don't print any reviews of their games." what? In other words, they don't get given freebies.

    Stupid arrogant bunch of fucks.

    Message to wankers like Trip - get over it. If you make shit games, then nobody gives a fuck about you or your whining. Just because you idiots spent loads of money and time developing it doesn't instantly make it worthy of everyone's praise.

    Message to wankers like GamePlanet (oops, I mean, unnamed NZ review site) - all your reviews are now soiled. The gamers cannot trust your judgement any more. You are going to tell us all games by a publisher you like are good, regardless of whether they are or not. You don't gain the trust of your bread and butter (ie, the gamers) like that.

    All of you cocksuckers think that the advertisers are the reason why the magazines and web-zines are alive. This is so far wrong that I propose you all instantly find work in another industry.

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    1. Re:wanker publishers by spir0 · · Score: 1

      cool. I got modded by someone who works for a mag/site or publisher.

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  24. Trip is a first-class asshole. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've had the bad luck of working for Trip Hawking. If you think this email is funny, you should have seen the drek he sent out to everyone in the company every few months.

    I said it in the subject and I'll say it again. Trip Hawkins is a first-class asshole. Buying any product with his name on it supports his self-centered egotistical rampage that has cost people their jobs, money, and self-esteem.

    1. Re:Trip is a first-class asshole. by __aamkky7574 · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, don't leave us in suspense - I hope you kept some of it?

      P.

  25. Re:It was actually a fairly reasonable letter unti by badasscat · · Score: 1

    Of course I'm not the audience for that letter, I wonder how much their bottom line was actually affected. So the real question becomes.. how much does that sponsorship affect reviews? Is it possible to quantify it? If you compare reviews for games on sites that have ads for those games to reviews on sites that don't, can you find a coorelation that cross cuts many games? Common sense says that such a coorelation is so likely as to be obvious.

    I worked in the marketing department of a major game publisher for a few years - one of these days I'll finally feel comfortable in naming them, but for now I'll just say they're much larger than 3DO ever was. I can tell you first-hand that this sort of thing is the norm in the industry, and that while Trip's letter was pretty ridiculous in some ways, it was more symptomatic of what's wrong with the entire publisher/media relationship than of anything unique to 3DO or Trip Hawkins.

    If that's is the case, that really doesn't set up the writer of this letter for ridicule. He's behaving accordingly to the climate.

    Well, the thing is, most of the time company CEO's don't go firing off angry letters to editors about their games, for a variety of reasons. It does at least open you up to ridicule, and depending on the position of your company, it also opens up the possibility of all-out war with the publication (or the gaming media as a whole - these guys all know each other and share war stories). If a company's obviously already on a downward slide, as 3DO was at this time, you're just as likely to hear a publication say "screw 'em" over something like this as you are to hear them cave. The publication will then ridicule the publisher at every turn, using them for comic relief, ragging on all of their games, and mentioning them negatively in completely unrelated articles. I've seen this happen, and I've even done it myself (I worked for an editorial web site before I worked for a game publisher). It's just not usually in the publisher's interest to say things like this.

    This is what PR departments are for. My company got some scores that we considered "low" (in reality they were in the high 8 out of 10 range, at sites using that kind of scale, but we were expecting higher) and we did consider pulling advertising.

    But this is where a good PR guy comes in. The CEO and the rest of the company could be ranting and raving about how they're going to walk over to GameSpot's or IGN's offices with baseball bats and billyclubs ready to bust in some kneecaps, but GameSpot and IGN would never hear this. Instead, they hear a carefully crafted, subtle message from a friendly PR guy who speaks in such a tone that you're not quite sure if he's threatening you or asking you out on a date. But you're left with the odd notion that something is not quite right with your relationship (and it is a relationship), and given the massive quantities of cash this company throws at you on a regular basis, maybe it would be in your (meaning GameSpot's or IGN's, in this example) best interests to fix it.

    The real problem is not completely unique to the video game industry; it's true of all creative mass-market arts. Film, TV, games, they're all the same in that the media and the content creators rely completely on each other for their very existence. It's completely incestuous. All of the information in a gaming magazine or web site comes directly from a publisher, in one fashion or another. "Exclusives" are doled out in a manner that keeps everybody happy (over a period of time) and keeps everybody perpetually "in debt" to everybody else. Without content for their magazines or web sites, those mags or sites would cease to exist. And if a large publisher pulled its advertising and exclusives to one particular publication, that publication would no longer be able to compete.

    By the same token, publishers need the media to build hype. Nobody just goes to a store and buys a game based on the box anymore; they buy it based on what t

  26. Re:It was actually a fairly reasonable letter unti by WhyCause · · Score: 1

    This is why I am glad that there are publications like "Consumer Reports." All revenue comes from subscribers, and there are no ads that may 'influence' the results of the test. Of course, "Consumer Reports" generally only focuses on big-ticket items like cars and refrigerators, but when you think about it, $50 bucks wasted on a game is no biggie when compared to the purchase of a $20,000 lemon.

    An entertainment journal set up like this might be cool, but it might be difficult to convince people to invest $30-$40 bucks a year to save the odd $50 wasted on a truly unplayable game.

  27. This is the norm for the industry by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

    The only reason Trip couldn't throw his marketing weight around here is that GamePro's editors knew the writing was on the wall for 3DO and didn't need to care about losing their advertising.

    I've worked for games developers and I was always amazed at how prophectic the advertising department could be. They would show us early previews of their adverts and posters which would already have the review scores on them. Amazingly the scores exactly matched what the game got when we finished writing it and sent it out to the reviewers! Those marketing guys are really psychic!

  28. Parasite killing its host? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trip said, "If you need to be able to be constantly negative you need to accept that you are like a parasite that is killing its host. In God's millions of years he has not created nor evolved a creature that would have such a stupid strategy for survival. "

    Oh really? It's called a virus, dipshit. And virii have been doing just great killing their hosts for millions of years. This doesn't mean I agree with Trip about reviewers and magazines. It just means Trip (as usual) doesn't have a clue.

  29. Reviews by akisugawara · · Score: 1
    I wish it were the case that Gamepro reviews were bad over the years because of threats from advertising--unfortunately it's just due to the fact that some people give bad scores.

    The problem is, if you're passionate enough about games to dedicate your life to it, you're bound to be a fanboy for certain genres and franchises. Some can't filter out their excessive interest for the game and give inflated scores.

    If you're the "RPG guy" in the company, it's cus' you love RPGs ...so if some ultra nichey game like Growlanser or Tower of Druaga is reviewed, chances are you're more inclined to like it than most. Either that or you assign games to those with no interest in the genre, which you'll have readers ticked at you too.

    It's just a matter of finding the right set of reviewers that'll give an objective account--and when some gamers write 150 page college thesis papers on Final Fantasy, it's harder than you'd imagine.