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Jeff Bezos to Build Space Center

An anonymous reader writes "Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos will build a space facility in west Texas to develop a commercial suborbital spaceship. His space company, Blue Origin, is 'developing vehicles and technologies that, over time, will help enable an enduring human presence in space.'"

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  1. This just in... by kaedemichi255 · · Score: 4, Funny

    One lucky Amazon customer will win a free trip to Mars! w00t w00t!

    1. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      A One Way Trip To Mars.

      I can see it now: Survivor Mars! Last one standing gets $1m.

  2. Article text without ads and annoying javascript by Gob+Blesh+It · · Score: 5, Informative

    Am I karma whoring? Possibly. :)

    Please don't sue me, Microsoft.

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    Amazon founder unveils space center plans

    Bezos' Blue Origin venture to build West Texas rocket facility

    By Alan Boyle
    Science editor, MSNBC
    Updated: 4:58 p.m. ET Jan. 13, 2005


    [Image: Jeff Bezos, who heads Amazon.com and is bankrolling the Blue Origin space venture, strikes a pose at the Seattle headquarters of Amazon.com. Andy Rogers / AP file]

    AFTER YEARS OF WORK BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos has gone public with a plan to build a suborbital space facility on a sprawling ranch under the wide open skies of West Texas.

    Bezos' Seattle-based Blue Origin suborbital space venture is starting the process to build an aerospace testing and operations center on a portion of the Corn Ranch, a 165,000-acre spread that the 41-year-old billionaire purchased north of Van Horn, Texas. Over the next six or seven years, the team would use the facility to test components for a craft that could take off and land vertically, carrying three or more riders to the edge of space.

    Blue Origin's team has been laying the groundwork for the hush-hush project from a 53,000-square-foot warehouse in Seattle, but this week's announcement fills out a puzzle that previously could only be guessed on the basis of isolated rumors. Blue Origin has been the most secretive of several space ventures bankrolled by deep-pocketed private backers -- a club that also includes software pioneer Paul Allen (SpaceShipOne), Virgin Group entrepreneur Richard Branson (Virgin Galactic) and video-game genius John Carmack (Armadillo Aerospace).

    Details of Bezos' plan were first reported in this week's edition of the Van Horn Advocate, the community's newspaper, and confirmed Thursday by Blue Origin spokesman Bruce Hicks.

    Contacts with FAA
    Bezos told the Advocate that Blue Origin already has contacted the Federal Aviation Administration, which plays a lead role in regulating nongovernmental launch facilities. FAA spokesman Hank Price confirmed that Blue Origin was in the midst of the pre-application process for a launch site license.

    But Hicks said Blue Origin was just starting to work on getting the necessary clearances. "Obviously a lot of work needs to be done, including the environmental assessment work, the FAA work and so on," he told MSNBC.com.

    Hicks said the first elements of the facility, including an operations building, an engine test stand and storage tanks for fuel and water, could be built in the next year or two. The facility, along with all the buffer zones required for safety, would take up "maybe 5 percent" of the Corn Ranch acreage, he said.

    Hicks said Bezos and Blue Origin's other principals, program manager Rob Meyerson and launch manager Ed Rutkowski, were not available for comment Thursday.

    Bezos' Southwestern roots
    With an estimated worth of $5.1 billion, Bezos is ranked No. 82 on Forbes magazine's latest list of the world's richest people. Amazon.com, the company he founded in 1994, is one of the world's leading online merchants. Bezos still serves as Amazon's president, chief executive officer and chairman, but in the year 2000 he used millions of dollars from his personal fortune to start up Blue Origin as well, following through on a boyhood dream.

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    Although Amazon.com and Blue Origin are both headquartered in Seattle, Bezos' roots go back to the American Southwest. He was born in New Mexico and spent childhood summers on his grandfather's ranch in South Texas. Bezos told the Advocate that he learned much from those expe

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  4. Spaceship 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So this uh, "suborbital spaceship," has the range to make it to, I don't know... Crawford Texas? Because that would be grand, I have a pretty good idea of what the payload would be as well.

    1. Re:Spaceship 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have a pretty good idea of what the payload would be as well.
      The lost Florida ballots? A clue? Antabuse?
    2. Re:Spaceship 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boo.

      Poor attempt at bitterness.

      At least TRY next time.

  5. NEW from Amazon by koi88 · · Score: 2, Funny


    Book your next holiday on Mars with our patented one click shopping!

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    1. Re:NEW from Amazon by docbombay · · Score: 2, Funny

      Expect NASA shuttle launches from now on to take 12 hours longer in order to avoid infringing upon Amazon's new "one click launching" patent.

  6. Sounds familiar... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 1

    I am Jeff Bezos. Welcome to my West Texas lair. We will use my Evil One-Click patent to take over the world. Meet my sidekick, Kevin Spacey. I call him "mini-me"...
    </Doctor Evil Voice>

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    1. Re:Sounds familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Holy fuck, are you stupid. Also, any joke with stupid tags are fucking lame. You are obviously retarded, so I'll take a Whopper with cheese and onion rings, ya stupid fuck. Also, please ask your teacher in your "life skills" class to explain the basics of humor, because your fucking post isn't simply unfunny but it's fucking anti-funny. You are a shit fleck mistakenly expelled from a fart of humankind, and snf hope you accidentally fry your nuts in the deep fryer at work so you never reproduce when you rape the girl with the pretty yellow hair, you useless fuck.

    2. Re:Sounds familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take a Whopper with cheese and onion rings

      The GP might be a fucktard, you are an obese humourless nerd with just nothing else to do than anonymously slandering people on /. and flooding your body with that unhealthy junk.

      Please, directly drink gasoline or sleep in a microwave oven so that we don't have to bear you any longer.

      Love,
      Your Mom.
      PS: I wrote "Love", but I didn't mean it.
      PPS: I got you playing with the neighbour's dog, hence your smell.
      PPPS: Don't piss me off on goatse.cx death's anniversary

  7. Let's see... by SAN1701 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...if he can manage to get a patent for the "one-click launch button". There's prior art for that!

  8. Fascinating by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I have to say, what we may be witnessing is the birth of man's space age. The time when we will begin to populate space en masse.

    I mean, look around. When you have several of the worlds extremely wealthy throwing money at something this big, independently (rather than teaming their efforts), you know that A. there's a SHITLOAD of money to be made, and B. that it has more than a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding because of the pure amount of money that is going to be thrown at it.

    I know some people are worried about the privatization and commercialization of spaceflight, but I think those are perfectly fine methods of bringing this about. Properly regulate it and do it on a global scale. And always remember that populating space is a human quest, not a Bezos quest. He may get us there, but we all win in the end.

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    1. Re:Fascinating by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      I have to say, what we may be witnessing is the birth of man's space age.

      I think that's what they said in the fifties and sixties, but alas. I am in general agreement, though, and sooner or later, we shall populate the universe. It's an inevitability.*

      *Assuming we don't get wiped out due to an external occurrence, wipe ourselves out, or otherwise not take steps to populate the universe.

    2. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is in our species' best interest to get off our rock, as simply a small group of humans off-planet is enough to protect us from stochastic events (due to our massive amounts of genetic storage).

      I would love to see a mars colony within my lifetime, hell, I'd even take a moon colony.

      One key word for all the people with dollar signs in their eyes: SUSTAINABILITY. Forget about hydrocarbons. The key to our future lies in energy, and solar is about the only way in space. For our species to really advance, we need to place the profit motive secondary or tertiary to the benefit of all humankind.

      The quest for profit has, and seems like it always will be, the great limiter to human potential.

    3. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the commies did put the first man in space after all...

    4. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Naive!

    5. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's what they said in the fifties and sixties, but alas. I am in general agreement, though, and sooner or later, we shall populate the universe. It's an inevitability.*

      *Assuming we don't get wiped out due to an external occurrence, wipe ourselves out, or otherwise not take steps to populate the universe.

      So, we'll do it...unless we don't. ;)

    6. Re:Fascinating by PhotoGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      When you have several of the worlds extremely wealthy throwing money at something this big, independently (rather than teaming their efforts), you know that A. there's a SHITLOAD of money to be made, and B. that it has more than a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding because of the pure amount of money that is going to be thrown at it.

      While I wish this were true, I think that's pretty faulty logic. If this were the case, you'd see logical *investment* firms investing in space, which is pretty rare. Bezos, Branson(sp?), and others, have made more money through smart business, than they could possibly ever spend, and are now spending some on some "long shots" that may benefit the good of mankind.

      I applaud these efforts, and any moves by people who are in a position to take some chances for the betterment of mankind.

      But a sound business decision? I think not.

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    7. Re:Fascinating by Xorath · · Score: 1

      I would have to say that its a lot truer now that it was in the past. Technology has advances substantially in the past 20 years ago and at the cutting edge of technology where space travel and exploration is bound to reside its now much more feasible to launch a serious effort at space based business companies. I'm sure that all the Ford's and Daimler's were similarly scoffed when the automobile was in its infancy, now our world is happily polluted by their machines and its only been about a hundred years.

      As for this being a sound business investment? I would have to agree that there is a certain measure of risk and investors should be wary for the time being (its the domain of the Bezos', Branson's and Allen's for the time being). But when one of these ventures succeeds and I believe they will everyone will be trying to get on the bandwagon including the 'logical *investment* firms'.

    8. Re:Fascinating by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Or this has just become an ego trip for the ueber-wealthy to see who can get geek bragging rights.

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    9. Re:Fascinating by Xorath · · Score: 1

      I would go so far as to say that the first Trillionaire will be made in space. The potential for resources and tourism is unbelievable. How many people on /. would be willing to part with a significant chunk of money to spend a week in space? My guess is a fairly large amount.

      It doesn't matter who gets us off our little planet but as long as someone does we'll be ok.

    10. Re:Fascinating by costas · · Score: 3, Informative
      It could also mean that:

      Aerospace technology has been commoditized: a) Rocket engine designs are more obtainable with more trained aero engineers are in the market (from Russia's crumbling industry or the American imploding one). b) Tools, such as super-computers to develop CFD models of engines and/or vehicles are quite affordable (tens or at most hundreds of thousands of dollars instead of millions).

      These rich folks don't have any other better ideas to throw money at: no more internet thingies, or incumbators or other wild-eyed ideas to take over the world.

      Worst case, these millionaires can write off these toys from their taxes. And in the order of things, the whole SpaceShipOne deal cost Paul Allenn less than *one* yaught. Pretty cheap.

    11. Re:Fascinating by QMO · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they (the people controlling the USSR) did it for power and prestige, which is why people want huge profits anyway.

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    12. Re:Fascinating by QMO · · Score: 1

      History suggests that most of the private companies that are trying to make a profit of space flight will fail.

      (How many of the first 20 US auto makers are still around, and the first 20 airlines?)

      However, I agree that more companies trying and more money spent developing will make it a viable business sooner.

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    13. Re:Fascinating by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 1

      We will not populate the universe, ever. We may populate a small section of our own galaxy, with significant technological increases. But intergalactic distances are many orders of magnitude larger than even instellar distances.

    14. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Or this has just become an ego trip for the ueber-wealthy to see who can get geek bragging rights.

      And what the fuck else do you do with $10B?

    15. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't follow you on that one "snowball's chance in hell". I remember Dante describing hell as a very cold place, even freezing. An icy river and such on the low levels of hell...

      (dont take it too seriously. :^)

    16. Re:Fascinating by ShamanDave · · Score: 1
      When you have several of the worlds extremely wealthy throwing money at something this big... you know that A. there's a SHITLOAD of money to be made...
      ...and you know these rich guys would only spend money things like flying around the world in a balloon if there were money in it.
    17. Re:Fascinating by Glog · · Score: 1
      ... American imploding one ...


      What exactly do you mean by the above expression?
    18. Re:Fascinating by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      If this were the case, you'd see logical *investment* firms investing in space, which is pretty rare.

      Ideally, yes. The thing with investment firms though is that they tend to be very conservative, and have a bit of a herd mentality.

    19. Re:Fascinating by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Other than the fact that it would most likely drop rather quickly I figured if it gets to space tourism for $30k and doesn't come down for 10 years then I will go or if I get to 45-50 years old then I would try to go. That is a substantial chunk of change but I think it would be worth it far more than most any other investment.

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    20. Re:Fascinating by costas · · Score: 1

      Just that there are few (as in less than a handful) of US aerospace firms left that do big aerospace projects.

    21. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone does everything for power and prestige, haven't you read Nietzsche?

    22. Re:Fascinating by Glog · · Score: 1

      The barrier for entry into that kind of business is necessairly high and that would explain the small number of companies but I don't believe that means the aerospace market is imploding.

      In fact, it's never been better and it seems like almost every week there is a millionaire who wants a private spaceshuttle built.

  9. Animal testing by Daxx_61 · · Score: 2, Funny

    We can launch all the chimps from Texas into space... now who do we know like that?

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    1. Re:Animal testing by mOoZik · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ham!

      Oh wait...I think you were referring to *another* monkey who happens to hold office. Never mind. ;)

    2. Re:Animal testing by OverlordQ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I really dont know. Since he's not from Texas.

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    3. Re:Animal testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ha ha ha you are so funny one of them regular politcal satyrists like in the paper drawnin them political pixtures on the funny pages holy shit boy you make me laff you are just like jeff foxworthy because george bush is from TEXAS and you want to launch him into space like one of them monkeys in the astronot suits eating that tang and flinging feces at the washington redskins from a satellite i bet if he wanted to build a space ship station in arkansas you'd want to sent that cheeting lying spending other president into space too because your funny like that whoo boy are mabye arnold swartenegger too and he could beat up all those girly men martians on the moon but none of them would be as funny as you because you know george bush is from TEXAS both of them not just the son.

    4. Re:Animal testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GWB isn't from Texas.

    5. Re:Animal testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but that's not even close. Not even the same league.

      http://bushorchimp.com/pics.html

    6. Re:Animal testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We can launch all the chimps from Texas into space... now who do we know like that?

      You guys lost the election. You better get over it and get used to it, because it will be happening for a long time to come. I don't know if you've noticed, but since about 1992, Republicans have slowly but surely been making gains. Yes Clinton was elected to two terms, but while he was president Republicans took the House, the Senate, and the majority of state governorships. Since 2000 we've had a Republican president and Republicans have increased their majorities in Congress in every election. If Hiliary runs and wins the Democratic nomination in 2008, Republicans will own the presidency until at least 2012. So please, whatever you people are doing, keep it up. It's working wonderfully.

    7. Re:Animal testing by Daxx_61 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you people are talking about! I just find that it's interesting that when I say 'chimp from Texas', you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm talking about George W...

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    8. Re:Animal testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're president is dumb and looks like an ape. Get over it.

      But as a non-US citizen I have to agree with you: please continue with whatever you're doing - never could we laugh about you that much.

    9. Re:Animal testing by johansalk · · Score: 1



      Ma Ferguson:

      "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"

      Governor of Texas (circa 1920)

      Texas has a long tradition of electing Chimp Governors; makes you wonder who elects them!

  10. P0rn...in space. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "His space company, Blue Origin, is 'developing vehicles and technologies that, over time, will help enable an enduring human presence in space.'"

    Keeping in mind the porn industry's definition of a "blue" movie. I can definitly imagine how that'll happen.

  11. publicity ploy to enhance Amazon brand name by Cryofan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    and from the article:
    Blue Origin's team has been laying the groundwork for the hush-hush project from a 53,000-square-foot warehouse in Seattle, but this week's announcement fills out a puzzle that previously could only be guessed on the basis of isolated rumors.


    Yeah, sounds like an engineered ploy all the way. Feed the lapdog corporate media a line about how hush hush it is, even while you are making a public announcement about it.

    Are Americans EVER going to catch on?

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    1. Re:publicity ploy to enhance Amazon brand name by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      Oh, c'mon, it was initially very secret. There were rumors flying about (pun!) about a year or so ago, but nothing was known, because it was kept upder wraps (another pun!) quite well. Obviously, it no longer is, and obviously Bezos is seeking attention for his venture, which is perfectly fine with me. Kudos to Bezos!

    2. Re:publicity ploy to enhance Amazon brand name by Gob+Blesh+It · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wasn't going to respond, but then I became afraid you'd get modded up. Maybe you're right and the whole thing is a PR stunt for Amazon. Maybe not (unless you think only non-billionaires can have "boyhood dreams"). But in the end, who cares? I don't see how the founder's motivations detract from the (very real) accomplishments of Blue Origin's engineers and other employees. Similarly, is Richard Branson funding SpaceShipOne just for the PR, or because he wants to fly, or because he has a vision of affordable space travel within a generation? In a lot of ways, it's irrelevant. And, I might add, it's not like you or I are doing anything to further space colonization, pontificating here from our living rooms.

      Your empty rage reminds me of this guy's, who makes a bizarre call for companies to stop soliciting donations for tsunami relief, because the "faceless corporation[s] are only doing it for the PR." Not particularly helpful.

      Me, I don't care. I buy from Barnes & Noble.

    3. Re:publicity ploy to enhance Amazon brand name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are Americans EVER going to catch on?

      you are either clueless, extremely young, or from a forign country.

      Americans will NEVER catch on. EVER.

      The typical american get's confused when the person they cut off on the highway get's pissed at them, they are certianly confused when other people who are waiting in line get pissed when they invite their friends to jump ahead with them.

      and finally they completely do not understand when forign countrys are not happy that we are there to liberate them.

      "we're, like, doing them a favor. so ,like, why would they be mad at us? Oh look Abercrombie is having a sale! gotta go! Where's my keys to the suburban?"

      that above sentence is 90% of all americans to a T.

      they are clueless, selfish and stupid.

      And yes, I am an American. and pretty disgusted at the population I have to live with every day.

  12. two words... by Jodka · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Over the next six or seven years, the team would use the facility to test components for a craft that could take off and land vertically, carrying three or more riders to the edge of space."

    Carmack Envy.

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    1. Re:two words... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      so.. in 6 or 7 years they would get a high jumping glider?

      call me a cynic but ISS is more relevant to human presence in space than that.

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    2. Re:two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes because Carmack has been the most successful so far. He even won the X-Prize! Teh Groupie.

    3. Re:two words... by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
      Carmack Envy.


      Actually, I thought about him as soon as I saw this. The stuff Carmack's venture talks about publicly takes place mostly in Mesquite, which is in Northeast Texas (less than 5 miles from me), roughly 530 miles or so from Van Horn.

      Someone could make a bundle building a spaceport here in Texas, perhaps. I nominate the area that is currently occupied by Texas Stadium in Dallas, since access and parking are already built up in the area, and the stadium itself will likely be torn down once the Dallas Cowboys finish moving to Arlington. (I humbly request a finder's fee of 1/2 of 1% :) )
  13. Space mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would like to see uncle Sam send Gates, Ballmer and Darl on a space mission to visit our nearest star, "to bravely be the first humans to put their feet on the surface of the sun".

    1. Re:Space mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol because the sun is hot and it would kill them.

    2. Re:Space mission by QMO · · Score: 1

      Poor old Sol.

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  14. Fascinating-Win one for the...??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I know some people are worried about the privatization and commercialization of spaceflight, but I think those are perfectly fine methods of bringing this about. Properly regulate it and do it on a global scale. And always remember that populating space is a human quest, not a Bezos quest. He may get us there, but we all win in the end."

    You mean like we're winning with the internet?

  15. Re:First Post! by databyss · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oooooo... so sorry...

    That mus+++ATH

    NO CARRIER

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  16. Geeks in space by Aussie · · Score: 1

    Give a geek lotsa money and they wanna build big rockets. Looks like the way into space :)
    I wonder who is next ? Any takers ?

    1. Re:Geeks in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has to do something with his stock slush money from a company that has no "real" profits and a negative book value. He could be more truthful about his company's financial reporting, but it turns out to be easier to conduct manned space flights to far away places.

  17. Re:Article text without ads and annoying javascrip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well of course he's building his "sub orbital space facility" in TX ... any higher and it would fall down

  18. Don't forget... by Kilroy+Wasn't+Here · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is the same company that's picking Neal Stephenson's brain for ideas.

    Bezos seems to be cornerning the markets on futurism and "backing" here. Not too bad a plan, at least for now.

  19. what will he patent next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, it must really be awesome to be rich and stupid at the same time. Unfortunately I'm not either of those things so I can't relate.

    If I'm rich someday I'm going to build my own zoo! or maybe buy my own army! yay!

  20. Off-Planetting Customer Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    India is clearly not cheap enough for Jeff. It's not enough that his customer support people don't understand plain American. Now he doesn't even care if they share the same organic chemistry.

  21. The problem with human space travel by eraserewind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate to say this, but the problem with human space travel is that there is just nowhere to go. There are no alien civilizations (or even alien plant life) within reach. There are no habitable planets within reach (unless you count Mars or Venus, but as wastelands go, Antartica is paradise in comparison with either of those in terms of human habitation). It sucks, but it's true.

    1. Re:The problem with human space travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero-g sex. Oh wait, this is slashdot...

    2. Re:The problem with human space travel by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1
      Minable asteroids, as the above poster said, and zero-G manufacturing. All economic goldmines easily exploitable for $profit$, if/when orbital launch costs become cheap enough.

      As for human space travel having nowhere to go, that's just a lack of imagination. Mars is an awesome place and adaptable for permanent human habitation! So are several moons of Jupiter and Saturn (maybe). So is our own Luna actually. I'm guessing parent poster is not a Heinlein fan.

      As for the Antarctica comparison... well, Antarctica is on earth. It's mundane. There's no point in living there, when you can just drive to Florida. Of course if you *wanted* to, you could live in Antarctica fairly easily. Just dig underground for warmth, set up an energy source (nuclear reactor or a constant supply of oil via Exxon), and pitch some vinyl greenhouses for subsistance farming. All it takes is money and desire, no new orbital technology needed.

    3. Re:The problem with human space travel by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 1
      I hate to say this, but the problem with human space travel is that there is just nowhere to go.


      I don't agree. Just one word: tourism. First sub-orbital flights, then orbit, then a few days at the space station, finally (in a distant future) maybe something like Freeside in Neuromancer.

      Of course, there are obstacles: price, environmental impact, safety, but humans have already proved that they are willing to pay a lot for things with no apparent practical gain.

      Cheers

      Raf
    4. Re:The problem with human space travel by Cantus · · Score: 1

      It's not the destination; it's the journey.

    5. Re:The problem with human space travel by bloodstains · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would love to sit in a five star restaraunt in geostationary orbit with a view of the Earth out the window.

    6. Re:The problem with human space travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you would still have the repressive governments of the world breathing down your back and telling you to get off their property.

    7. Re:The problem with human space travel by QMO · · Score: 1

      There are LOTS of places to go.
      Just because it will be difficult to live there at first (maybe for centuries, maybe even forever) doesn't mean that we can't, or shouldn't, go there.
      It is difficult to sustain human life in some neighborhoods. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to go there either.

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    8. Re:The problem with human space travel by DoctorPepper · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but by the time you paid to get there, you couldn't afford to eat!

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    9. Re:The problem with human space travel by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      There are no habitable planets within reach (unless you count Mars or Venus, but as wastelands go, Antartica is paradise in comparison with either of those in terms of human habitation).

      In space discussions, people often raise the point of "If space settlement and resource extraction is so great, why haven't we already done this in Antarctica"? Actually, there are plenty of people and companies who would love to get ahold on regions of Antarctica, but are prevented from doing so by the Antarctic Treaty.

    10. Re:The problem with human space travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I'm glad the old world explorers sailing around the globe in sailing ships didn't have this attitude!

  22. I predict less than perfect success... by bobdotorg · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... kablamazon.com

    Has a nice ring to it eh?

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    1. Re:I predict less than perfect success... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: your sig... I stopped reading after the claim that the North founded the country. I live in Virginia. Enough said.

    2. Re:I predict less than perfect success... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re: your sig... nice creative writing exercise, but it's totally off base.... (lives in florida)

  23. why we need (human) space exploration/colonisation by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We all heard the reasoning for abolishing space-exploration (particulary human-based) before, and I think the major flaw in all these 'arguments' why we shouldn't go into space is that they always set economic factors as a premise.

    But, although economic viability is important to create a mass-usuage of space(travel), I fail to see why it should be the only possible motive to start exploring space. It's a pretty narrowminded, materialistic and typical capitalistic view on things. It's the same view that makes progress on medication for very rare diseases, or for diseases that are prevalent in continents that are poor, so slow: corporations can't see how they are ever going to get profit out of it, so they all turn their backs on it.

    If ppl (including states) are only going to do something when they are sure of an immediate profitable return, the world has become a sad place. (And we should leave it the sooner ;-)

    Arguments based on such a viewpoint fail to recognise other incentives apart from economical ones.

    The reason why we shouldn't (only) rely on robots? You can explore, but you can not colonise with robots. The will to explore is deeply entrenched in the human race, but with a reason: it has survival advantages.

    A species that doesn't colonise new territory and adapt, will perish. I think it's paramount that humans always keep their adventurage spirit and keep exploring and expanding, because the moment we will go "ah, let's sit back in our sofa's and let our robots/droids do it", we're basically finished, even when not being aware of it at that moment.

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  24. White Sand... by helioquake · · Score: 1

    I wonder what the good folks down in White Sand have to say about this...they may be ticked off by having too much visibility in the area.

    [A rocket launch may scare the shit out of cows!]

  25. The best part is.... by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

    ...by the 24 century, it will still be turning a profit "Next quarter"

  26. could be on the right track? by already_gone · · Score: 1

    as the corepirate nazis' execrabilious foibles could leave the planet nearly uninhabitable.

    some of us po' folk are working on a vessel that floats on almost any suBStance.

    there are rumours that the only real way out is up?

    for more clarity, consult with/trust in yOUR creators, transporting us through time/space/circumstance since/until forever. see you there?

    1. Re:could be on the right track? by Malenfant · · Score: 1

      as the corepirate nazis' execrabilious foibles could leave the planet nearly uninhabitable.
      some of us po' folk are working on a vessel that floats on almost any suBStance.
      there are rumours that the only real way out is up?
      for more clarity, consult with/trust in yOUR creators, transporting us through time/space/circumstance since/until forever. see you there?


      Dude, lay off the cough-syrup. I'm worried about you.

  27. No juicy info here... by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I RTFA for a change, and basically it just says that Bezos applied for some permits to open a space launching facility. That and a brief description of Blue Origin and how it's trying to develop suborbital spacecraft in the near future. *yawn*

    I don't know what Bezos is like as a person, but I guess he's not an attention hog (unlike some Apple/Pixar execs) and he doesn't mind quietly working in the background while his competitor (Burt) steals all the limelight and wins public adulation. One good thing for sure, if Bezos gets his bird airborne, the competition might force Virgin Galactic to lower their $190,000 ticket price :)

  28. It's still hush hush by XNormal · · Score: 1

    Ok, so we learned that it's VTVL. But we still know virtually nothing about it.

    Compare it to John Carmack's space effort where you get updates with intimate details about every bolt, valve and crash.

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    1. Re:It's still hush hush by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Suborbital VTVL with 3 passengers (including pilot I expect). I already had heard rumours that it was a suborbital VTVL, but not much else.

  29. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    bla bla bla, the classic romantic view. Sorry man, but really think about it, why was America found...for money, why did marco polo go on his quest...for money, etc. To profit is what drives the human race. Humans dont make drugs to help people, they do it because it makes money...lots of it. Such ideas while nice, are blind. Mod me down flamebait or whatever, it must be said.

  30. Elevator go up by Dougie+Cool · · Score: 1

    Whem I'm rich I'm gonna build the Space Elevator. What's gonna be fun is that it won't be built in America! pwned.

    I'm selling shares now.

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    1. Re:Elevator go up by basvdlei · · Score: 1

      It will probably be located in Antarctica because that's where the hole is located.

    2. Re:Elevator go up by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      No, we can safely say Antarctica is the one place where no space elevator is ever going to be built. Hint: elevators need Earth's rotational speed to stay 'up'. Building it on the equator would seem the most logical choice.

    3. Re:Elevator go up by bdcrazy · · Score: 1

      No, it needs to be able to stay at a non moving spot on the earth. The only place for this to happen is in geosynchronous orbit, which is near the equator.

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    Why are you mirroring an MSNBC Article? They have tons of bandiwdth. You ARE karma whoring, moderate this down.

  32. Fight Club, anyone? by Mr.Progressive · · Score: 1
    'When deep space exploration ramps up, it will be corporations that name everything: The IBM Stellar Sphere. The Microsoft Galaxy. Planet Starbucks.'

    The Amazon Commercial Suborbital Spaceship?

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    1. Re:Fight Club, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just broke the first and second rule.

    2. Re:Fight Club, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be 'DeathStarbucks'?

  33. Why not space elevator by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Building a stupid little ship to put a couple of rich people into suborbit for a few minutes gets us no where in the grand scheme of things. I'm rather dumbfounded as to why none of these guys are trying to bankroll a space elevator. That's when you can do some serious space stuff and become richer than Bill. I've read various places that it could be done in the very near future for as little as $10 billion. When I read that someone isn't dicking around with suborbital vehicles and is behind this, I'll get excited. Otherwise, all this has already been done for the past 60 years.

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    1. Re:Why not space elevator by Xenephrene · · Score: 1

      The space elevator is a nice idea, and a very efficient method for getting off the planet, but you have to realize that in today's age of terrorism, it's a sitting duck. Offhand, I can think of two SF novels (Gregory Benford's "Across the Sea of Suns" and Kim Stanley Robinson's "Red Mars/Green Mars/Blue Mars" series) that show how easy it can be to take out a space elevator. And what a bitch it would be to repair the thing. If I were an investor, I would hedge my bets by putting money into small, scattered, independent launch facilities, such as the one Bezos proposes.

    2. Re:Why not space elevator by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 1

      If we wait for terrorism to go away, we'll never do it. I've also read from the main guy thinking about the problems, that it would be easy to fix once the whole operation is up and running. He was thinking more in the way of hurricanes, etc. I believe the article is in Scientific American and the guy worked for some part of NASA.

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    3. Re:Why not space elevator by Xorath · · Score: 1

      Well if I were an investor looking to get into one of these means of getting into space say a $150 million price tag versus a $10 billion one is what would make the traditional approach to getting into space the safer bet.

      With that said I agree with you that a space elevator is something that's worth getting excited about though with so many governments doing as well as they are with fairly large coffers why don't they bankroll a project of that magnitude?

    4. Re:Why not space elevator by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 1

      Because there isn't a project that government can't do for less than 10 times the original cost. Besides, imagine if Bush would call a press conference today and said he wanted to do this. Everyone would either: 1. Laugh and call him a space cadet 2. Say the money could be better spent elsewhere 3. Say it would rob other projects in the sciences of their funding All of that being said, if I had the money or finance it, I'd do it in a heartbeat and I'd own space. I'd yell, "I'm rich, biyatch" a la Dave Chapelle the whole way to the top of my elevator.

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    5. Re:Why not space elevator by QMO · · Score: 1

      How long were automobiles only toys for rich people?
      And Space travel is more expensive, even relatively.
      Let the rich play with it, fund it, etc.
      If necessary, eventually someone like Henry ford will come along and find a way to make it cheaper, because there is a lot more potential for profit in the mass market than in the super-rich market.

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    6. Re:Why not space elevator by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 1

      The reason there isn't / won't be a space elevator for quite some time is: 1. Still don't have the nanotube technology / aren't sure if proposed nanotube-ceramic matrix can be worked out. 2. Too much crap floating around Earth. You'd be dodging something every couple of minutes. 3. Get a big enough hole to compromise the strength and tear it and you've got no way to get anything / anyone who is on the elevator back. They'll be hurled out into space like a rock in a shepards sling.

    7. Re:Why not space elevator by Xorath · · Score: 1

      True enough, the exaggerated cost of government projects is definitely something that would come to bear in this type of a project but why does it have to be a single nation? All the nations of the world are coming to the aid of the tsunami victims and pumping in billions of dollars. Obviously this is a good cause to help a disaster stricken region but it does go to show that there are a great many nations that could pony up a billion or two to build this facility, not to mention if the government was subsidizing such a venture a lot of corporations would jump on board really fast.

      I think this type of project will happen shortly after the space industry becomes viable and I figure that's probably a decade or two off (at best) and more likely closer to 50 years into the future.

      Now if we could only solve some of the energy problems that the world is facing in the near to immediate future.

    8. Re:Why not space elevator by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 1

      That's true but there's always going to be a rather large lower bound to your costs using chemical propellents to put something into orbit. I don't think the mass market will be able to be had in this way. Something totally revolutionary will have to happen to put folks like me and you into orbit.

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    9. Re:Why not space elevator by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 1

      I agree that 1 is still the biggest materials engineering hurdle, but I'd imagine that it could be real after a couple of years and some financing. As for the other two, the guy that was working on this said that dodging space debris was realistic and easier than it sounds and that repairs could be made every now and then. I guess the being hurled part doesn't actually happen, because as long as the elevator wasn't in transit, the nanotube rope could be cut and it'd still be fine. I really wish I had a link to the article but it was in Scientific American a few months ago.

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  34. 2 words... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Minable asteroids.

    And that's just one of the reasons to go. I think that, when the opportunity arrives, many people will be lining up to colonise Mars. Sure it's a wasteland, but people have given up their comfy homes for the unknown before, to get away from oppressive governments or to carve out a brighter future for them or their kids.

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    1. Re:2 words... by kapowaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      When humans get to Mars, keeping it Antarctic-pristine will be the last thing on their minds. A leaked document the Guardian has obtained from the year 2600 spells out the whole remarkable story.

    2. Re:2 words... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The sea is closer than the asteroids and presently nearly unexplored for mineral resources (oil excluded).

  35. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1
    Any argument/reasoning for and against human space exploration is moot IMHO. Develop the technology and make the trip cheap enough, and people will go, period. It's in our blood.

    All the bickering about whether NASA should stop sending astronauts into space and focus more on robotic explorations and space telescopes etc. are all due to the fact that going to space is VERY EXPENSIVE. And at this moment, I'm inclined to side with the pro-robotic anti-astronaut crowd. Spending $1 billion per Shuttle launch (yes, some estimates do run that high) is ridiculous. It's a waste of taxpayer money. You could send a whole fleet of little Mars probes for the cost of one manned Shuttle mission.

    But pretty soon we should be able to buy a suborbital ride on Virgin for $190,000. Now if lots of good stuff happens and that $190,000 ticket will buy an ORBITAL ride for one person and 50 pounds of baggage, I'm guessing a whole lots of people will mortage their house and go. Hell, at that price point, about $1 million might be able to get you to Mars. When that happens I'll bet they won't be able to build the rockets fast enough, so many people will be wanting to go. I know I will. I don't have $1 million but when my dad dies I will inherit his house, and it's worth about $1.2 million. It's not even a mansion or anything, it's just an average house in a nicer part of Los Angeles. I will gladly sell it and relocate myself to Mars, permanently :D

  36. There's a certain irony in this ... by the+bluebrain · · Score: 1

    Bezos, know - nay, renound - for founding and making a success of Amazon, one of the few successes of the dot com era, and described as "the largest bookstore in the world".

    A success, that is, in selling dead trees in what was supposed to be the age of the birth of the "paperless office". And that over the 'net.

    Now I'm all for books. I love books. But Amazon being a success is like Edison being a success selling better gas lamps.

    And now this dude, of all people, wants to lead us into [the terrible secret of] space. So - the method of doing so, or the vehicle, is going to be top-notch (snide comments on "one-click-launches" aside). But let me guess ... it's going to *look* like a steam engine ... a nuclear-fusion-powered steam engine.

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  37. Not new by Schwarzchild · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This attempted privatization of space is not new. Many Companies have been trying to reach space since the mid 80s. The problem is that most or all of these have failed to produce a working spacecraft even though they were bank rolled by millionaires.

    So far, only one company, Scaled Composites, seems to be successful at this although I did see a reference about a year ago to some other company that towed their spacecraft out into the sea and launched from a floating platform but I don't recall if they've had successful launches.

    There's certainly no guarantee that Blue Origins or Armadillo will ever make it into space. It may get too expensive.

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    1. Re:Not new by ghjm · · Score: 1

      SeaLaunch has been operating for five years now, and has launched many commercial satellites for companies like DirecTV, XM Radio, etc.

      Scaled Composites is commercial + manned. SeaLaunch is commercial + orbital. So far, there is nobody offering, or even seriously planning, commercial + manned + orbital.

      -Graham

    2. Re:Not new by Rei · · Score: 1

      Exactly, Graham - thanks for pointing that out.

      Rutan, while it is impressive that he made a supersonic craft privately (it's nice to see good compressible flow modelling software entering the public arena - look what you can do with it!), he's so far from a real spacecraft, it's not even funny.

      SeaLaunch has had good money behind them, and simply adapted an existing Russian rocket system. Their rocket system actually accomplishes something more than a joyride, and I applaud them (and the Russians who built most of their tech) for overcoming the huge technical challenges involved.

      It's kind of funny... people around here often assume that you can just get to orbit by strapping a tank of laughing gas to a tube full of rubber. That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Wake me up when a private rocket developer comes even close to making a rocket with any turbopump (so you can get any sort of reasonable tank mass), let alone a good one, with at least the minimal ISP level of LOX/kerosene, so you can at least get *some* payload fraction.

      A little epoxy joyride with a high mass low ISP engine isn't going anywhere close to orbital - *ever*. It doesn't matter how you scale it up, the physics just doesn't work out. And unfortunately, improving performance *does* require complexity. Hybrids are still a possible route, but you're at least going to need to be burning your fuel with LOX and using at least a single stage compressor, and even then, you'll get an awful payload fraction (unless you want to stage it a lot, which adds even more complexity).

      If you use LOX, you have to deal with insulation, stricter tank materials requirements, more engine corrosion resistance, pumps which can handle cryogenic fluid, etc. And if you have a turbopump, you have to deal with all of the nasty stuff assocated with turbopumps (in a traditional turbopump, that means two turbines (or one turbine and one centrifugal pump), seals to connect the drive shaft into the oxidizer line, an entire small rocket engine (for which hybrids are ill suited) to drive the pump (typically liquid fuel, which means injectors, small electromechanical pumps, lined combustion chambers and nozzles, etc), the routing of exhaust gasses into the main engine, the gear train to get the right pumping speeds, etc, plus all of the control and safety mechanisms needed to operate it properly. The longer, hotter, faster burn time for your engine as a whole means that you need to do cooling (as well as much better construction using much more expensive materials), and it better be regenerative cooling if you want a reasonable ISP, which generally means a rather complicated system of pipes to channel the heat back.

      And lets not even get into maintainance, which starts to become a nightmare in a higher performance rocket (even kerosene-level) if you want it reusable.... Seriously, people: rocket scientists have been working on this since early this century. There are no magical, wonderful solutions. Getting out of Earth's gravity well is incredibly hard; it's amazing that we're able to do it at all.

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    3. Re:Not new by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      The problem is that most or all of these have failed to produce a working spacecraft even though they were bank rolled by millionaires.

      A recent HobbySpace interview with Elon Musk, who founded SpaceX after his financial success with Paypal, explores some of the reasons behind why these prior companies failed. Here's the relevant quote:

      HS: Private rocket development by startup companies in the post-Apollo era includes projects such as Truax's Volksrocket in the late 70s, Conestoga I and AMROC in the 80s, Beal Aerospace and several other ELV and RLV companies in the 1990s. They all came up short of space and many see their history as nothing but a tale of woe and failure. To me, though, they each appear to build on what was learned before them and to provide significant advancements in the technical and strategic knowledge needed to develop a rocket business from scratch.

      It looks like SpaceX will be the startup company that finally makes it to orbit. When you studied prior efforts, what were some of the lessons [you] learned on what to do and, perhaps most importantly, what not to do?

      Musk: Well, I have tried to learn as much as possible from prior attempts. If nothing else, we are committed to failing in a new way :)

      The ones I'm familiar with failed on one or more of the following:

      1. Lacked a critical mass of technical skill.
      2. Insufficient capital to reach the finish line, particularly if an unexpected setback occurred.
      3. Success was reliant on a series of technology breakthroughs that did not happen.

      The above modes can obviously cross-feed one another.

    4. Re:Not new by BLAG-blast · · Score: 1
      {snip-all-the-it-won't-work-bits}

      Seriously, people: rocket scientists have been working on this since early this century. There are no magical, wonderful solutions. Getting out of Earth's gravity well is incredibly hard; it's amazing that we're able to do it at all.

      I'm going to enjoy watch people proove you wrong over the next 25 years, and on the off chance you are right, I'll enjoy watching then try.

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  38. April by northcat · · Score: 0

    Has April come early this year?

  39. The page doesnt render in IE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..take me to space! plz :)

  40. Re:who gives a shit by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dude, eat your cheerios and try to smile, it's Friday!

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  41. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    ok, my view on the issue is a simplistic one too. we should just wait 50-100 years.

    why? because every year passing brings the cost of going up there down, and pure joyriding just to 100km doesn't really serve any real purpose. in 30 years we would have much more cpu power to do simulations, have new materials, know more about space's effects on human body(all this we would have WITHOUT dedicating resources directly to space research). after 10 years we could do in a year advancements that now take 4.

    we WILL go to space, but I strongly believe that it's mostly going to happen as a BYPRODUCT of technical advancements made with consumer use in mind. if we don't nuke ourselfs totally(which i doubt wont happen, half-totally maybe but not totally) then in a thousand years going to the space could be done with the equivalent of a bicycle today(a modern bicycle would indeed have been an engineering marvel for a medieval person and tech, not to mention how mind boggling a simple moped would be - or a kit plane).

    sure it sucks for us living now who would like to live science fiction life, get to space and whatever... or you could end up really sad like the hopefuls who are hoping that we could make tech to make us live forever before they kick the bin.

    btw. the 'why' if it's feasible to go up there is measured in money is that money roughly equals resources(tangible items and worktime), basicly if it really is waste of money it's waste of real things, like food or shelter for someone else or a sportscar, or a civil engineers job and crappy dsl for you. you'd get to the moon a lot cheaper comparetively now(but even moon with current tech is a barren dump and waste of resources - face it, we don't even have anywhere to go to permanently within our reach yet).

    besides.. what's so bad about being finished? it's not like it would matter after everyone would be dead when there wouldn't be anyone left to be pissed off about it... but that's largely a philosophical question i suppose.

    with the tech yet available to us space doesn't make for a good frontier to start settling, but in 200 years humanity will have gathered probably enough information about human body to supply what it needs in closed environments too(enabling access to space). at this point it makes a whole lot more sense to send inexpensive probes up there, we wouldn't be able to keep ourselfs alive there anyways(nor could i think of anyone who really would enjoy sitting in a tin can for years).

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  42. Re:will there be free shipping to space? by tiredwired · · Score: 1

    shipping is free. returning may cost an arm and leg.

  43. Patent this, patent that... by Radak · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Get a life, Slashdorks. You keep modding +5 the same stupid, snide patent jokes every single time any Amazon/Bezos story is posted. It was funny, oh, maybe six years ago. Grow up and move on.

  44. Why not go in on virgin galactic? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why does everyone have to start their own space thing? Space travel is freaking expensive -- Jeff would be smarter to partner with virgin galactic, so that they could potentially "get there" 2x as fast with 2x as much money + no impedance from the gov't like NASA runs into.

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    1. Re:Why not go in on virgin galactic? by snooo53 · · Score: 1

      Probably the same reason as every other independent company/person. They don't want to have to answer to anyone. Sure, they still have to follow any laws, and presumably the wishes of the major investor(s). But they don't have to be bogged down by middle management, million dollar concept studies... so in essence, they can avoid impedance from the corporate culture.

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    2. Re:Why not go in on virgin galactic? by QMO · · Score: 1

      I believe the money will be used more efficiently and more novel solutions will be found if more groups are in competition with each other.

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    3. Re:Why not go in on virgin galactic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err ... 0.5x money?

    4. Re:Why not go in on virgin galactic? by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Because Jeff thinks that his approach (VTVL) will be better than Rutan's winged carry. Time and the market will show which is better in the long run.

      Besides, money really isn't a constraining factor here -- both Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson are only putting a tiny fraction of their available funds into the endeavor.

  45. Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a trusted source i was informed he is building his own iRocket. Unfortunately for him, once he is in space he will notice that the rocket's operating system is not as stable as his engineers told him. Luckily before the thing blows up he can step into his iPod that savely brings him back to earth. Then he will probably start working on the iRocket Mini, a space vehicle for geeks with a smaller ego.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs by Aussie · · Score: 1

      I was hoping they would do it because they like rockets, not sales & ego.

  46. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    Now, I do understand your argument of 'maybe later, when things will be cheaper', and it has some validity. But then again, one can not claim the drive for expanding the human presence in space is alive and kicking, when you completely halt (actual) human exploration. And, in fact, the argument used that it's not economical beneficial in regard to robotic probes is ALWAYS going to be true: when hardware/etc costs are going to be only a 10th of today in the future, it STILL will be far more expensive to send humans then to simply send robotic probes.

    So the argument is mute, in the sense that, if you accept the premise, it's always going to be true. The real question thus becomes: what do you want to spend on human exploration, first steps or not? Clearly you seem to think the price is too high and a 'waste', while I think it's not. It does not follow, however, that my argumentation is false, while yours is the only correct viewpoint on the matter.

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  47. they took a page right out of the segway hype by Cryofan · · Score: 1

    bezos was involved in that one, too, as I recall....

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  48. More ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit being returned to its owner?

    A special wheelbarrow for a very long nose?

    A baggy full of white powder with a note, you dropped this last night?

  49. Wannabees by BigTom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Talk is cheap, websites are cheap, real estate (in West Texas) is pretty cheap.

    Until they start bending tin and launching things they are just another bunch of wannabees.

    Nothing To See Here (yet).

  50. Blue Origin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The name blue origin implies that all life came from the sea. As we know, evolution is a thory, and not a fact.

    Therefore, Bezos should either (1) put a sticker on his spacecraft stating that evolution is a theory and not a fact, or (2) Jeff should change his company's name to "Divine Creation".

  51. Notice to space travellers by S.I.O. · · Score: 1

    Dear Astronauts,

    from now on we are shipping to extraterrestial addresses. For example,

    Star Wars Special Edition DVD: $20

    Shipping options:

    1) Soyuz - $50.000 (may get cancelled without prior notice if the Russian Space Agency runs out of money)

    2) US Space Shuttle - $150.000 (only with insurance!)

    3) Personal delivery by Jeff Bezos in bunny suit - $200.000

    If you are living close to an asteroid field, please add a fee of $50.000.

  52. Re:Article text without ads and annoying javascrip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post title: "Article text without ads and annoying javascript"

    You know, if you would turn off all scripting, like any sensible person would do who has the slightest understanding of security, and if you would use an ad-blocking proxy, like any sensible person would do who has the slghtest concern for his/her privacy, then you would find yourself unannoyed by such trivialities, and could use your time more productively, e.g., bitching at people who post article text without ads and annoying javascript.

  53. Its nice to see some of thise internet money... by voss · · Score: 1

    going to something useful instead of just stock options and big houses for CEOs. If youre going to waste money anyway why not do it with something both cool and scientifically useful.

  54. Wonderful... by billyradcliffe · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, he's just doing it to patent independant space travel.

  55. Bezos' ego by amightywind · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bezos' ego knows no bounds. It is very unlikely an amature like Bezos will out do Burt Rutan in commercializing suborbial flight. He is already late to the party. Mr. Rutan's team is well funded by billionaires Paulo Allen and Richard Branson, brilliantly innovative, and have a highly successful track record. I wonder if Bezos will combine with the equally lame effort of John Carmack in West Texas? Bezos is wasting his money.

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    1. Re:Bezos' ego by MrWarMage · · Score: 1

      ...But He's got money to waste, first of all. There isn't anything fundamentally wrong with him sinking dollars into space commerce, though I agree it's late to the party and he may seem a little misguided at this stage. What we don't know is who is going in with Jeff. The chances of him teaming up with some X-Prize hopefuls are very likely. Bottom line? More's the better, and if he has the heart to see it through, that'll be great! I don't think anyone would like to see Virgin Galactic become the TWA of spacebiz.

    2. Re:Bezos' ego by Rei · · Score: 1

      Not like Rutan had experience in anything related to space either. He had experience in composite aircraft design. Perfect for a rocket joyride, but quite inapplicable to *real* spaceflight.

      However, this from the description really caught my eye:

      "Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos will build a space facility in west Texas to develop a commercial suborbital spaceship. His space company, Blue Origin, is 'developing vehicles and technologies that, over time, will help enable an enduring human presence in space.'"

      Suborbital != enduring. In fact, unless you're doing a large suborbital craft designed for intercontinental travel, suborbital = joyride. I hope that he's referring to some *other* plans of his.

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  56. An enduring prsence in space... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    ...with suborbital flights????

    Eh. Whatever. Where do I send my resume?

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    1. Re:An enduring prsence in space... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can't a few rich dudes do suborbital flights in a learjet already?

  57. Hmmm... That's a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo! Distract everyone from the truth.

  58. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by Hiigara · · Score: 1

    "It's a pretty narrowminded, materialistic and typical capitalistic view on things."

    WHOA. WHOA. WHOA.

    There is another way to view things?

    News to me.

  59. Why west Texas? by rotenberry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why choose a site just west of three of the ten most populous cities in the United States?

    From Wikipedia:
    "Cape Canaveral was chosen for rocket launches to take advantage of the earth's rotation. At the equator, the centrifugal force of earth's rotation is the maximum. The direction of earth's rotation is such that to take advantage of the rotation, rockets should be launched eastward. It is also highly desirable to have the downrange area sparsely populated, ideally an ocean, in case of accidents. Thus rockets should be launched from a continent's east coast as close to the equator as possible. For the United States, Florida is the most southerly east coast location."

    While it is true that this site is for suborbital flights, it will still be necessary to expend energy NOT to fly westward toward the population centers.

  60. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    "News to me."

    That doesn't surprise me much. ;-)

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  61. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because the moment we will go "ah, let's sit back in our sofa's and let our robots/droids do it", we're basically finished

    Vader did it and he was successful.

  62. Bezos to patent the process by glrotate · · Score: 1

    or so I've heard.

  63. Space, wealthy people, and crocodile leather by shonagon53 · · Score: 1

    A stay in Space as a tourist is like owning a very expensive handbag made of very precious Amazonian crocodile leather (uh). It's a status symbol, nothing more. And now that the crocs are gone and Antarctic tourism is passe, they need something new.

    For the rest, space is what it is, a very cold void for the wealthy.

  64. NASA enters online bookselling by meme_vector · · Score: 1

    NASA News Release 05-666 The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), announced today that it will enter the online bookselling market. Bob Wadkins, former manager of the Space Shuttle Program's evacuation station (toilet) reading materials management team, will lead the endevour. "We are very excited to explore the online marketing space", said Watkins. "NASA has extensive experience in large dollars projects that take years to reap any tangible results. We think we are perfectly suited for online retail". Outside observers are not so sure. An anonymous Congressional OMB auditor was quoted as saying "This may not work out as NASA thinks it will. NASA has never been very adept at maintaining costs. I seriously doubt that anyone will be willing to pay $1.5 million dollars for a copy of the next Harry Potter book". For more information about the online bookstore, contact NASA in Washington, D.C. using the links provided below.

  65. Ray Bradbury's space by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Ray Bradbury imagined a mostly privated space effort. It was modeled after the Oklahoma land rush aimed at Mars.

  66. Free trip to Mars!* by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

    One lucky Amazon customer will win a free trip to Mars!* w00t w00t! *Subject to certain rules and restrictions. Hotel and accomodations not included. Winner must sign huge-ass waiver. Return trip fare $500,000,000.

  67. Hey sports fans by giantsfan89 · · Score: 1

    Van Horn, TX is also the home to John Madden's Haul of Fame at Chuy's Mexican Restaurant. Madden always hated to fly, so when he became a broadcaster, he drove to games in his Maddencruiser, hense the Haul of Fame.

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  68. Competition is wasteful... by rah1420 · · Score: 1

    ... but valuable.

    Sure it'll produce failures. But the failures will give you learnings and then success will follow after that. You need the Bransons and the Bezos' to do something different, dammit. 20 different attempts all done the same way aren't statistically significant.

    My current sig is Anatole France: "I prefer the errors of enthusiasm to the indifference of wisdom."

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  69. Re:The real reason... by adeydas · · Score: 1

    Apart from jokes, this is quite possible. Actually there was an article a year or so ago by NASA saying that if required then we could have email addresses like me@domain.com.ea (for earth), etc. Amazing, isn't it?!

  70. What the hell? by hsmith · · Score: 1

    If ppl (including states) are only going to do something when they are sure of an immediate profitable return, the world has become a sad place. (And we should leave it the sooner ;-)

    what do you think has driven all technology the past 100 years? the past few hundred years? People do things for money, plain and simple.

    1. Re:What the hell? by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      See my post "actually, no".

      Note further that I said 'only' and 'immediate profitable return'.

      Your post seems to indicate you missed that, and therefor it is rather non-relevant as a response.

      It is perfectly possible to claim - without having a contradiction - the fact that people do things for money (I do that too, after all), yet maintain the argument that it would be a sad thing, if immediate profit would be the only drive of people.

      And actually, history, in those same past few hundreds years (and actually thousands before that), has shown us that there are, luckily (and sometimes regretable) a lot of other drives for people. One of the lastest and most well-known examples (at least on slashdot) of non-profit driven technology is Linux. :-)

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  71. Re:The real reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apart from jokes, this is quite possible. Actually there was an article a year or so ago by NASA saying that if required then we could have email addresses like me@domain.com.ea (for earth), etc. Amazing, isn't it?!

    But since almost all the major locations in the solar system go by their latin names shouldn't it be ".te" for Terra, and ".lu" for Luna?

  72. Re:The real reason... by gmcgath · · Score: 1

    Just think of the possibilities -- a lunar flight, with a gender-diverse crew. Yes, we could have Amazon Women on the Moon!

  73. Factoid that may only interest me by DrSbaitso · · Score: 1

    Neal Stephenson works for Blue Origin as a consultant. Reference here.

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  74. Options... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Options:

    1) Pretentious "Euro" use of periods (.) for USD - $ 10.000
    2) Sense of Humor - $50.000 (May not be available to all customers)
    3) Karma - None available

  75. Re:The real reason... by Rei · · Score: 1

    Perfect! Now where's Ed Wood when you need him...

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  76. It's not about going to space... by MayorDefacto · · Score: 1

    ...it's about going places here on earth, much faster. While it's fun to dream with starry eyes about the possibilities of sending the ultra-rich to Mars or some sort of 2001-esque orbital Hilton, I'm amazed that very few people have been discussing the closer-to-home application of this technology. Think of it as Concorde: the next generation. I think this may be Branson's real strategy here... imagine London to Tokyo in 4 hours!

  77. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We all heard the reasoning for abolishing space-exploration

    What's worrying is that there are people out there who actually think they have the right to ban others from going into space. Don't want to go into space? Fine - don't go? But when it comes to others going into space, bugger off and mind your own business.

    Max

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  78. My submission (with more info) by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's my submission, which has some more information:

    After years of secrecy and much speculation, Blue Origin has finally announced its plans to build and operate a privately-funded aerospace testing and operations center in West Texas. The company, run by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos, is "currently developing a sub-orbital space vehicle that will take off and land vertically to take three or more astronauts to the edge of space." Flight operations could begin as soon as six years from now. Hopefully this will be a significant step towards Bezos's dream of enabling "an enduring human presence in space."

  79. Investments need clearer risks by ianscot · · Score: 1
    If you're going to buy into something that's never been done, as a good business person, you have to take steps to mitigate the risks. Jeff Bezos can get some lawyers and insurance people who know basically what the risks are in shooting something up in more-or-less the same old way. What will those same people tell him about an elevator? What sort of premium does he pay on that? Leave that alone -- What sort of problems would you have just getting it set up in the necessary equatorial spot?

    An elevator starts to look way more complicated to pull off than touching off one more rocket, and this one with a private logo on the side. I love the idea, always have, but for a private investor to throw money at that would be early. If it's going to get done, it'll be at the level of money governments throw around, won't it?

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    1. Re:Investments need clearer risks by Capt.+Dick+Jackman · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think the legal and insurance reasons are the hardest to overcome. Personally though, if I had the opportunity to be an investor in this project, I'd consider the reward to be worth far more than the risks. That being said, I think it could be possible to round up enough investors who felt passionate enough and/or willing to take the chance if the right guy was behind it.

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  80. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    ah but later you wouldn't need the money(resource) equivalent of keeping 100 000 000 people fed for it, instead you'd just need 10.

    like robosapien :) a toy, but it would have been far too expensive to build 20 years ago, now it was possible to develope it for a toy.

    anyways.. I don't think that we can accelerate the technical knowhow needed to _survive_ in space so fast that it would make sense to go to space yet, in the true frontier sense of things(to do settlements that were self sustaining).

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  81. actually, no. by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    "To profit is what drives the human race."

    No; profit is *one* of the drives of humans. And I'm all for stimulating that drive too, which is why I'm very happy about the succes of Spaceship1 and I hope Branson can pull it off to make an economical viable fleet of spaceplanes.

    But your wrong to think it's the only drive. The men who climbed the Mont Everest didn't do it for profit, Jaque Costeau didn't reserch the seas for profit, CERN wasn't build for profit (and that costs billions too, btw).

    Exploration on itself is a drive of the human race too, even if it's a pure academic form. The quest for scientific knowledge, just having fun, to gain more power, profit, honor (or social status); all these things drive people, and it would be wrong to generalise and think or claim only one thing drives people (or is it worth).

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  82. Re:why we need (human) space exploration/colonisat by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, but the figure of 100 000 000 is arbitrary chosen. With the same validity, one could say: ah, yes, but why not wait another 100 year, so 10 ppl don't have to starve for it? And then you go to 1 in a hundred, 1 in a thousand, etc.

    Thus, as I said, it only depends on what you think it's worth it, when using that reasoning. At one moment, you'll have to decide: yes, it is worth it (or not). In that respect, I would claim spacetravel is far more worth it then spending hundreds of billions on the military. If they would slash half of that, with the finances that could be would become available, one could easily pay for space-exploration, better education and better housing, elevating the standard of living for 10000000 people and a hald dozen other things, at once.

    Seems to me, however, people seem to accept that money-spending for developping better weapons, even when it is a lot less positive for the human race.

    Ofcourse, I'm not pleading to 'go for it' right here and now. We need to walk before we can run, obviously, and robot exploration and scientific research certainly should develop further. But I can't imagine our knowledge of human space-exploration/colonisation will augment all that much if we solely send robots up. And 'cost', well...even the precursors of robosapien were exhorbitant expensive...yet, if they hadn't build it, and waited untill it would become dirtcheap, the question remains if we would have an affordable robosapien today.

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  83. amazon and virgin by antiaktiv · · Score: 1

    So, CEOs of Amazon and Virgin are going to space. At least we'll have constant entertainment up there.

  84. Space "Center"? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    Not a "Space Periphery"?

  85. MICHAEL SIMS == EDITARD; HTTP://WWW.ANTI-SLASH.ORG by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

    Thanks for checking my comment posting history. Have a nice day!

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