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Alcohol is Good for Your Brain

An anonymous reader writes "A new study reported on by Nature is saying that moderate consumption of alchohol wards off dementia. Better drink up!"

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  1. agreed by cipher+uk · · Score: 3, Funny

    yeahr i drank all la time n look at me! alchol nver di d me any harm

    1. Re:agreed by roseblood · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sottaly tober officer, I'm dreventing pementia officer!

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    2. Re:agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Homer: Duff Beer!!! (BR-A-A-A-A-A-P-P)! Reaches the parts of you other beer can't!

      Bart: Dad, I write viruses and run a porno site.

      Homer: That's good, son. Now hand me another Duff.

    3. Re:agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homer: But every time I learn something new, it pushes out something old! Remember that time I took a home wine-making course and forgot how to drive?

      Marge: That's because you were drunk!

      Homer: And how.

    4. Re:agreed by yobbo · · Score: 1

      Ironically, I understand every word of what you said.

  2. And by obeythefist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It damages your stomach lining, damages your liver and can cause diabetes, increases your weight, and increases your risk of bowel cancer.

    Moderation is a very good idea.

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    1. Re:And by Transcendent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...water dillutes the acids in your stomach, causing lining buildup and limiting your ability to break down foods, which can cause malnutrition.

      Seriously, name ONE thing that doesn't have an adverse side effect in any way, especially if you exagerate your claims (alcohol is good for your liver... in moderation).

    2. Re:And by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      french fries are deadly too, when taken too much too often.

      so is sundaes.

      so is candy.

      so is steaks.

      so is..

      but you don't get drunk from any of those so alcohol wins. at least you have fun while killing yourself.

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    3. Re:And by obeythefist · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's not easy to, although alcohol also happens to have that whole addiction thing going on with it. Not to mention the cost in human lives from drink driving - not directly the fault of alcohol I must admit, but regrettably darwinism does not apply because often perfectly fit healthy people die as victims of DUI.

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    4. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And oxygen is absolutely horrible for almost all other elements, and will destroy many, many, many forms of life.

      Dumbass.

    5. Re:And by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now, you're just being silly.

      I'm not a drinker. I don't even like alchohol as I can't stand the taste. They say it's an "acquired taste" that you have to learn to like. Well, I'm sure feces is the same way, but I don't want to acquire a taste for that, either.

      However, it's ridiculous for you to bring up all of these things as if everyone who has a drink now and then is going to drink so much that they're going to damage their kidneys, liver and stomach - not to mention drive drunk and kill people.

      Soda damages your organs, as do a wide variety of other daily consumables. The point is moderation. And as for addiction - well, if you have a history of it in your family, you probalby shouldn't drink. But to suggest that most people can't keep their hands off the bottle is just stupid. And suggesting that most people drive drunk is just stupid.

      Really, your argument has nothing to do with this topic. The report didn't say "drink as much as you can, as often as you can - and drive around while you're doing it, too". It said an occasional drink. Maybe you're one of those recovering looney's that thinks just because they can't control themselves around a glass means that the rest of the world has the same problem and needs to give it up.

    6. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Alcohol, from a chemical sense, is a poison.

      Nearly all drugs legal and otherwise are toxins. So what? The point is to look at the benifits and losses. Unless your in certain small percent of the population, alcohol has been shown again and again to have a total benifit at rates of up to two drinks per day.

      Maybe you or someone close had problems with alcohol, so you are holding a grudge, but that doesn't change the fact the most people who drink only two drinks per day are healther for it.

    7. Re:And by VanillaDeath · · Score: 1

      Humans don't need alcohol to maintain homoeostasis.

      Dumbass.

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    8. Re:And by dasunt · · Score: 1

      I'm not a drinker. I don't even like alchohol as I can't stand the taste. Well, I'm sure feces is the same way, but I don't want to acquire a taste for that, either.

      Ah, I've seen you have tried American beer.

      *ducks*

      I'm USian, so I can joke about our beer. And no, its not fucking close to water. Its close to piss, there is a difference. If it was close to water, I could still stand to drink it. :)

    9. Re:And by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      Its close to piss, there is a difference.

      Bah, we have plenty of good beer in the States, but it's usually beer brewed in smaller batches and is only available within a small region. Sometimes it is hit and miss with the microbreweriess, but some of them produce great beer.

      We also have piss beer: Coors, Budweiser, etc. .. I guess they are popular because they are dirt cheap...

    10. Re:And by DrCode · · Score: 1

      Very true.

      My kids tease me that I "always have a beer bottle in my hand". But... for 2-3 days, it will be the same bottle. In other words, I'll go through about 4-6 oz. of beer per day (and not every day either). I like the taste (it's local microbrew), but never feel driven to drink huge amounts.

      OTOH, once I take a bite of chocolate, I end up pigging down candy all evening.

    11. Re:And by tetabiate · · Score: 1

      most people like alcohol but not because it tastes good...

    12. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously they need to call other one dumbasses.

  3. this was explained on cheers long ago... by ohchaos · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

    1. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by roseblood · · Score: 1

      That's like saying my cars will go faster when the weakest cylinders are removed. Total horsepower goes down. But, I'll grant you, you'll get a better horsepower/weight ratio for your engine/brain.

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    2. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 1

      Actually that would give a lower hp/weight ratio, I think you mean greater hp/litre ratio. I believe the hp/braincell ratio still stands though.

    3. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by roseblood · · Score: 1

      6 cylinders, average 600 HP total is 100 HP/cyl average. If all Cyls weigh the same, and we remove 2 underperforming cyls that only give 75 HP ea. then we have removed 150HP (25%) at a weight savings of 33%.

      Net result is more HP per unit weight of engine, with a lower total engine output. More effecient, but less power overall.

      Or brain wise, more BrainPower per neuron, but fewer neurons working to do the things brains do.

      PS: I want a 450 HP 4 banger that's street legal, emissions legal, and requires only the basic levels of maintence.

      PPS: Oh yeah, also runs on 87 octane, or on used grease from making french fries.

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    4. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 1

      I'll start by wishing you the best of luck removing those two cylinders. As I have experienced my automotive engineering degree so far and from what I have observed during my work with a FormulaStudent team, the power-to-weight ratio most commonly refers to the power produced by the engine over the net weight of the entire vehicle. Nontheless I think you will find the reduction in engine weight would not offset the larger weight of the vehicle alongside the reduction in power.

      Start with a vehicle of curb weight 2000kg and assuming an engine weight of 200kg. Producing 600bhp this vehicle would have a power-to-weight ratio of 0.3

      To find the reduced weight vehicle PWR.
      Find 33% of the engine weight and subtract from the net vehicle weight. This makes our vehicle 1967kg. Now our vehicle produces 450bhp and the resultant power-to-weight ratio is 0.228.

      A quick comparison of these two numbers 0.3 and 0.228, leads me to belive the engine with the dissapearing cylinders would have a weaker PWR as I origianlly stated.

    5. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by roseblood · · Score: 1

      okay, the VEHICLE would have fewer HP sure, that's the problem, the brain/engine would be more effecient, but have less HP overall. It's an ANALOGLY.

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    6. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 1
      IANABS (I Am Not A Brain Surgeon) so I'll leave the analogising to you in this case, however;
      by roseblood (631824) on Friday January 21, @03:08AM (#11427870)
      "That's like saying my cars will go faster when the weakest cylinders are removed. Total horsepower goes down. But, I'll grant you, you'll get a better horsepower/weight ratio for your engine/brain."
      I was merely pointing out that you would not recieve a better power-to-weight ratio which i think i have shown.
      Thanks
    7. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea but add resistance from a dead cylinder not doing anything, or if you took OUT the cylinder forget about proper compression and let me see......... BALANCING?!?!?!?!?!

    8. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by roseblood · · Score: 1

      The ENGINE will have a better horsepower/weight ratio.

      I didn't claim a CAR would bet a better HP/lb ratio.

      Throw the same engine into a car and make no additional changes to the car, then the car won't see enough wegith reduction to get a better horsepower/weight ratio.

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    9. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 1
      by roseblood (631824) on Saturday January 22, @04:20AM (#11438890)
      The ENGINE will have a better horsepower/weight ratio.

      As per your concept of engine efficiency improvement/modification/butchery only considering the engine.
      A 600BHP V6 engine of weight 200kg (with two duff cylinders producing 75BHP each) The PWR of this engine is 3
      Remove two faulty cylinders, approx 33% of engine weight, giving us a modified weight of 167kg. Now producing 450BHP The PWR is now 2.69

      Now you can quote me on this
      Worst... analogy... ever...
    10. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by thebudgie · · Score: 1

      33% of 200 isn't 33 mate. It's 66...

      450/134=3.36

      I won't quote you though. ;-)

    11. Re:this was explained on cheers long ago... by bedessen · · Score: 1

      That's not a great analogy. If you must use a car analogy, how about the following:

      Suppose you have an engine with a burned valve. This means that on one cylinder there is little or no compression, and so that cylinder is just pulling in air/fuel and pushing it out unburned on each cycle, because good compression is required for ignition. In this case the cylinder is just dead weight: it contributes to frictional losses as the other cylinders have to move the piston up and down the cylinder against the rings and friction at the crank as they have to turn the connecting rod. It also contributes to pumping losses because it resists the flow of air having to suck and then push out each charge.

      In short it's contributing zero power and costing a substantial amount of friction. If you were to simply drop the pan and remove the piston, connecting rod (and optionally the pushrods for that cylinder if it's an OHV engine) then you would cause the motor to run with somewhat more power and much better emissions. Naturally the harmonic vibrations are going to be horrific because the engine will no longer be balanced. So you can expect decreased life of the whole drivetrain and bearings because of this, but on an engine that's on its way out anyway removing a dead piston and its associated connecting rod (and disabling its valves, if possible) can result in a significant improvement in performance.

  4. Related article by KingArthur10 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this study has any relation to the one about how beer can prevent cancer. Woudl be interesting to see if it was the actual alcohol, or possibly a by-product of the alcohol making process.

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    1. Re:Related article by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's more likely certain side effects of the alcohol, reducing blood pressure and so on.

      Some wines contain tanins (acids) that are considered reasonably healthy, although I know some people have allergies to the tanins, and become itchy and red from drinking red wine.

      Antioxidants are also present in some alcoholic beverages.

      Moderation is incredibly important however.

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    2. Re:Related article by iwan-nl · · Score: 1

      IANAD, but unless you have a tanin intolerance, drinking (quality) red wine is the "healthiest" form of alcohol consumption.

      Healthwise, beer isn't too bad either, but personally I find it harder to stop drinking after 2-3 beers than after 2-3 glasses of wine.

      What worries me is that today's teens don't seem to like beer or wine. Instead they drink premixes like Bacardi Breezer and Smirnoff Ice. The high sugar levels in such drinks gets the alcohol into the bloodstream much faster. The sugar also makes it taste like lemonade, and gives you an energy boost so you can keep drinking those little bottles of poison all night long.

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  5. This is horrible by jasonmicron · · Score: 1

    With news like this then January 24th WILL be the worst day of the year for me! My resolution can only take so much bombardment!

  6. remember the by bikerguy99 · · Score: 3, Funny

    90's? How many times we've heard about good then bad effects of coffee? It's same thing now with alcohol - it's a fad no more than that... I say - we live only once so party hard while you have a chance and especially if you are a nerd - there will be only fewer of them chances in the future... just make sure that your fun does not cause other people's suffering - driving while drunk isn't cool - you wouldn't be writing code while drunk, would you?

  7. But the study is about women... by FuturePastNow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so how does this help /. users?

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    1. Re:But the study is about women... by benjamindees · · Score: 4, Funny

      How does having more drunk women not help /. users?

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  8. Disturbingly easy to code while drunk... by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 5, Funny

    you wouldn't be writing code while drunk, would you?

    Actually, I've found it more than a little disturbing to learn just how easy it is to write code after a couple of glasses of wine. Or even a bottle.

    Makes you realize that a monkey really could do this shit...

    1. Re:Disturbingly easy to code while drunk... by Malek+the+Damned · · Score: 2, Funny

      'Tis true, IMHO. If I have a big project to do and a deadline looming, I go home, put some loud music on (Hanzel Und Gretyl is good) and make sure I have a bottle of absinthe or vodka at hand, as well a pack or two of clove cigarettes...

      For some reason, I do my best work that way.

      (The green fairy codes me!)

    2. Re:Disturbingly easy to code while drunk... by iwan-nl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, absinthe! The source inspiration of many artists and geniuses.

      It contains a chemical compound very similar to THC (the active component of marihuana), and it's been banned in Holland for a long long time, which is quite odd 'cause buying pot is legal here. Many believed it would make you crazy like hell. However, science could never back this statement, and now (thanks to new EU laws) it's available again since last year.

      I like your choice in drinks. I'm not sure about the music though :P

      On the subject of drunk coding, it has always worked out good for me. In my experience it's especially usefull when prototyping. It helps me think "out of the box".

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    3. Re:Disturbingly easy to code while drunk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Makes you realize that a monkey really could do this shit..."

      DUDE STFU, WE'LL LOSE OUR JOBS!!!
      I know my boss reads slashdot, I can see it now. I'm gonna come in on monday and meet my new replacement Bobo, damn, well I heard pizza hut is hiring.

    4. Re:Disturbingly easy to code while drunk... by Malek+the+Damned · · Score: 1

      The compound you're thinking of is Thujone (spelling?). It's removed from the absinthe we can get over here in NZ, but it's easy to distill back in with a bit of wormwood...

      And it frequently gets me quite 'out of the box', let me tell you... =P

  9. I'll drink to that by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

    All day, I've been wanting to crack into a bottle of Sake I got in my stocking.

    I read that, and cracked into it.

    Cheers!

  10. Alcohol and Dementia... by go$$amer · · Score: 1

    I find that large amounts work pretty good for dementia too.

    At least near-term dementia.

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  11. Do I need to run it through a Brita filter? by OneDeeTenTee · · Score: 1

    ...to make it healthy?

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    1. Re:Do I need to run it through a Brita filter? by GiMP · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes! Running it through a brita filter will reduce your hangover, thus is at least marginally healthier (in the short-term, anyway).

  12. On the other hand.... by dickeya · · Score: 0

    Beer is very bad for laptop keyboards.

    Trust me, your computer isn't thirsty.

  13. Now I finally have an excuse... by stealth24 · · Score: 1

    "Me? Drunk? No officer, I've merely been warding off dementia!"

  14. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, Lisa, you and your stories:
    "Bart is a vampire."
    "Beer kills brain cells."
    Now let's go back to that...building...thingy, where our beds and TV...is.

  15. Yes, yes I would by sideshow · · Score: 4, Funny
    you wouldn't be writing code while drunk, would you?

    I guess I have a habit of doing this. I can't remember doing it, but I find a comment in my code that says: "//Fix Later, too drunk." every couple of months.

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    1. Re:Yes, yes I would by rhennigan · · Score: 1

      I get that too, though the comments usually look more like:
      "fgasixx lahtyery;l/d mmmoree toioi dyrbriubknk"
      The code looks even worse. Does anyone else have a serious problem typing after only a couple drinks? Or, is it just me?

    2. Re:Yes, yes I would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone else have a serious problem typing after only a couple drinks? Or, is it just me?

      up to a point (when i kinda pass out) i type drunk very well. it's gotten me in trouble having drunken chats with people when they do not realize that i'm drunk because i'm typing so fast and saying such asinine things. they just think i'm being an asshole when i thought i was just joking around.

    3. Re:Yes, yes I would by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I have refused to code after even one drink after a most amusing incident.

      After drinking several glasses of mead one night, I aparently got a really great idea that I wanted to code. I woke up the next morning and saw the IDE was open with a file displayed, so I compiled it.

      It compiled perfectly, but did absolutely nothing and I couldn't figure out what the heck it was supposed to do. That's when I decided not to code after drinking =]

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  16. It's true! by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If all your braincells are dead from alcohol poisoning, I guarantee you won't get dementia.


    The effects of alcohol on heart disease is also a myth. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the effect is from flavenoids, which are found in grapes and therefore found in wines.


    It is certainly possible that there are chemicals which will block dementia. It depends on exactly what the underlying mechanisms are. For example, if an accumulation of some molecule XYZ is shown to be a cause, then all you need to do is find something that'll help eliminate it from the body.


    For toxic levels of iron, for example, you'd probably use something like deferoxamine (DFO) which makes it possible to filter the excess iron out of the system.


    Selenium, in high enough doses, is known to cause all sorts of neurological problems. Aluminium is suspected of doing the same. Mercury doesn't even need high doses. And these are just your basic elements. We're not even into the compounds.


    One form of senile dementia - Alzheimer's Disease - is associated with the crushing of brain cells by the formation of a form of tau protein. Since proteins can't pass through the blood-brain barrier, it seems reasonable to suppose that the tau protein is manufactured by the brain itself.


    This would seem to require two components - an instruction to produce this protein and something to cause that instruction to be carried out endlessly. Not a million miles from how cancers are a result of a cell replicating itself endlessly. Same infinite loop, different function call in the DNA.


    There is considerable evidence that many cancers have an external component to trigger the infinite loop. It seems reasonable to deduce from this that other infinite loops are triggered the same way. A loop is a loop is a loop. It doesn't matter what's in it.


    From this, we can also reasonably deduce that avoiding trigger chemicals and/or taking in something that'll prevent the body retaining or picking up those trigger chemicals would likely reduce your chances of getting dementias caused by this kind of process.


    So far, so good. The first problem is that dementia covers a VERY wide range of conditions, few of which have been studied and even fewer understood. The second problem is that there isn't much good data on the environmental factors in dementia and the data that does exist (say for Aluminium) is so controversial that it is next to useless as a practical guide. Finally, the third problem is that even if you produce a list of suspects, there simply aren't any known ways of getting rid of many of them and more than a few of those are extremely toxic themselves, making them useless for a DIY remedy.

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    1. Re:It's true! by alienmole · · Score: 1
      The effects of alcohol on heart disease is also a myth.
      What about the effects of alcohol on vascular health? I vaguely recall a recent /. article which described positive effects in that area, which - if they're not also a myth - could help with heart disease too?
    2. Re:It's true! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      Interesting post. I'm surprised you stuck to chemical causes, though, and didn't point a finger or two at a virus. I mean, considering that they deliberatly put cells into the types of endless loops that you refered to...

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    3. Re:It's true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the OP, but I am a biochemist, and I can say that there is indeed evidence that alcohol on its own does exhibit beneficial effects on the cardiovascular system (in moderation).

      Several recent studies found that white wine, which is low in flavonoids, as well as other alcohols help decrease the incidence of cardiovascular disease and atherosclerosis.

      However, the OP is indeed correct that the current thinking is that flavonoids by themselves might possess much of the same ability as red wine for example.

      It is still a complex field (especially as we have to deal with a number of small studies, all having to look at long-term effects on a sample population - epidemiological studies are always hard to satisfactorily control for), but it appears alcohol in moderation is a good thing. Red wine - even better :).

      Of course, if you have an incidence of addictive behaviour, or liver disease, you would probably be better off without alcohol.

      Regardless of intake of alcohol, you should of course follow your Mum's advice and eat right and exercise (ie. 5 plus servings of vegetables a day, limit fat intake, have enough fibre, keep within target weight :)

      BTW - I'm a teetotaller. So, if you don't drink already, don't feel the above evidence means you have to start :)

  17. One very important thing: by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 2, Informative

    What the study considers moderate drinking is on average no more than a single glass of wine (wine glass, not tumbler), a single bottle/can of beer, or a single shot or mixed drink containing no more than a shot's worth of alcohol in a day. That is moderation. The damage from exceeding that moderate level outweighs the benefits very quickly.

    PS: Read a little bit more and you find out that the study was only done on a group of women (no men - just assumptions of equivalent or greater effect).

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    1. Re:One very important thing: by koekepeer · · Score: 1

      yeah lotsa people here try to be funny and talk about excessive intake. excessive intake is bad for the brain! especially at the age of typical /. readers (puberty/early adolesence) recent results point out that development of worldview etc is severely hampered by excessive alcohol intake during this period, and might cause irreversibel damage (your prefontal lobe is sort of hardwired after adolesence) possibly causing sociopathic behaviour.

      http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/brain/a/blacer030 91 6_2.htm

      a few drinks won't hurt you, though :) i'm living proof!

    2. Re:One very important thing: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, I'm 80 proof.

  18. Poppycock! by Linuxathome · · Score: 1

    Baahh! I've lived through the years of Prohibition and haven't had a drink since then! I'm not demented like a monkey drinks on the first date of his bar mitvah. Why do people say I'm demented?

  19. Of course by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    Just like your muscles get bigger and stronger as they heal after a tough workout, so does your brain get denser and smarter as it heals from a weekend of heavy drinking.

  20. Obligatory Simpson's Quote by QEDog · · Score: 1
    Homer: No TV, no beer, makes Homer something something...
    Marge: ...go crazy?
    Homer: Don't mind if I do!

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    1. Re:Obligatory Simpson's Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "To alcohol ! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems"

      "homer no function beer well without"

  21. Level of alcohol that causes dementia by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    What level of alcohol can cause dementia? Is it the direct effect of the alcohol on the brain, or is it the effect of malnutrition related to alcohol consumption.


    My experience with a family member and more recently with a friend suggests that alcohol consumption and related health and cognitive problems may be a be more of a problem than people let on. Is consumption of 10 ounces of vodka a day problematic? I observed this level of consumption in an 80 year old not long before that person had to enter an assisted-living home for memory problems. Is this kind of alcohol consumption a cause of dementia or a symptom of it?


    And I don't think the AA 12-step program traditional approach to alcoholism really addresses the problem because that school of thought addresses people who "hit rock bottom" and need a fresh start on life. I am talking about old people who are thoroughly habituated to high levels of alcohol and you wouldn't know a person drank that much unless you went through their bottle recycling and counted the bottles that went in each week.


    I guess the reason I am seconding your point of view and getting all excited about "alcohol wards off dementia" is that alcohol is hard to restrict to that one drink per day, especially in elderly people who feel they have diminished levels of responsibility in retirement and feel they can handle their drinking.

    1. Re:Level of alcohol that causes dementia by jd · · Score: 1
      Alcohol affects the brain in a great many ways. Some effects are obvious (it alters the way the brain cells interact), some are less obvious (it is hygroscopic, so alters the water levels and therefore the internal chemistry of individual brain cells), and some effects may not be known at all.


      Older people have all of the problems you highlighted, plus reduced organ function (which inhibits the body's ability to detect or deal with harmful chemicals), plus any build-ups of byproducts that the body retains. In the case of a sustained drinker, there are plenty of studies which show a permanent change in the brain chemistry. I wasn't able to find any research on whether anything in the new chemistry was, in itself, toxic. It is possible.


      As for cause and effect, it would be very hard to find out. Cultures sufficiently different as to have no alcohol are also different in other ways, making it hard to isolate the effect of a single variable. A study, then, wouldn't work. There aren't enough cultures to cover enough permutations.


      It would need to be a more mechanistic approach. But since we don't know the causes of dementia, don't have a comprehensive list of effects of alcohol, and don't have any way of modelling 60+ years of aging on anything as complex as a brain, I don't think this could be done with our current knowledge.


      As a result, the only thing I can really say about alcohol and old people is that it's definitely going to be more harmful than to someone who is young, but that I haven't the faintest notion as to how. It is therefore probably not a good idea to mix the two.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  22. And? Are not we GEEKS??? by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    With bad stomach from all the Mt. Dew and junk food, diabetes from too much sweets and increased weight from, you know, sitting at our computers all day -- BUT WE STILL VALUE OUR BRAIN! ;-)

    Reminder -- you are not on the "Health Channel" (or whatever)...

    Paul B.

  23. No, it isn't. by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    Your analogy doesn't hold at all to what the quote says.

    If you want to stick with the auto analogies, it would be more like saying an 18 wheeler will perform better with 17 tires than 18 tires, one of which is over inflated.

  24. the benefits of bing by Fr05t · · Score: 1

    Large consumption have their uses as well. I've killed off almost all the braincells which were storing images of Bill Gates 1983 Teen Beat Mag! On the downside I can't remember my cats name, or at least I think she's mine.

  25. Look what it did for Arthur Dent by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 1

    Look what consuming mass quantities of alcohol did for Arthur Dent. Not only was he able to stave off dementia, but he was able to withstand the rigors of space travel on a Vogon ship. If that isn't an endorsement of alcohol, I'm not sure what is.

  26. I funno sbouy yhis by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    I uust dr4ank seven tshots of tequila and myf brain doens't feel asdny healthyier.

  27. Proper daily amount validated!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading this article, I was entrigued..But, could not help but wonder what the amount of alcohol one should consume daily was. So, on my own accord, I did some research. I learned from 'Clarence', a local bum who I talk to at work sometimes when he digs through our dumpster, and here's what he told me:
    "i fixin to get me two mo' dollas for a forty ounce and a cheebugga"
    There it is. From a man who lives without shelter in -5F weather in New England. The proper daily amount is, 40 fluid ounces of Malt Liqour.

  28. Alcohol good for you? by Makecash · · Score: 2, Informative

    There have been earlier studies that have shown that daily, moderate alcohol comsumption can help prevent both heart diseases and stroke.
    Thats around 1-3 drinks per day
    But again earlier studies have shown that excess alcohol drinking can lead to the destruction of the liver or can be toxic to the brain (alcoholic dementia)
    The new study showing that alcohol may fight Alzheimer's involved more than 5,000 people over the age of 55 and lasted for six years.
    At the beginning of the study, none of the participants had any signs of dementia. At the end of the study, around 197 of the participants developed Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia. Those who drank between 1 to 3 drinks per day had a 42% lower risk of developing dementia than the nondrinkers. Those who did not drink daily but had more than one drink per week day had a 25% lower risk of developing dementia than the nondrinkers.

    One final point, it did not seem to matter what people drank, (beer, wine or liquor), the effect was the same.

    So as alcohol may bring you a more fun life , fun can be good for you!
    But in this world anything is bad for you so drink up and enjoy a more exciting life!

  29. Moderate Alcohol Drinkers Live Longer by lperdue · · Score: 1
    I wrote a book about this which was published in 1992. The entire contents of that book are available for free at french-paradox.net/

    I have not updated the book since I wrote it, but since its first publication, scores of well-conducted, peer-reviewed studies in the top scientific and medical publications have continued to conform the earlier evidence and -- like this one in Nature -- have found even more healthy results from moderate consumption.