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Student Logs Teachers Keystrokes

handy_vandal writes "A 16-year-old student has been charged with a misdemeanor for rigging a keystroke-recording device onto a teacher's computer. School district police received a tip from students that the boy was trying to sell answers to final exams. The District Attorney's Office has charged the teen with breach of computer information, a Class B misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $2,000 and up to 180 days in jail. This sort of thing has happened before. The problem is so pervasive that the GRE board has switched from computers back to paper and pencil."

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  1. way to go kid! by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sometimes even the teachers need to be taught a lesson.

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    1. Re:way to go kid! by Rotten168 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So some kid is too dumb or lazy to actually learn something in school and for that he's a hero? No wonder computer jobs are moving to India.

    2. Re:way to go kid! by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The AP CS exam doesn't qualify as anything beyond "Intro to Programming". I took it in high school even though the school had no class for it. I studied for half an hour the night before, and aced it. I'm not trying to pump myself up, it's just that the exam was useless.

      Not everybody has a local community college. I certainly didn't when I was in high school. My school had absolutely no idea what to do with me. You might have been in a better position, and people in large cities near universities may be as well, but not everybody is that lucky.

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    3. Re:way to go kid! by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I never said it excuses him. I'm simply explaining that, contrary to the original poster's assertion, the kid is not necessarily too dumb or lazy to learn in school.

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    4. Re:way to go kid! by NewStarRising · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What lesson did this teacher learn?
      "Do not store exam answers on PC" ?
      "Do not trust any of your students" ?
      "Call the Police in cases of Computer Security" ?
      "Your students are smarter then you" ?

      What would you have liked them to learn ?

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    5. Re:way to go kid! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, this is exactly why most school systems allow for students to take AP or other courses at community colleges.

      Really? Wasn't an option when I was in school. Isn't an option in the city where I am now. Where it has been an option, it was discouraged. You make it sound common and easy (not for the material, but to get in). That is not my experience.

      So, I know in the last 18 years this has had to spread because every university I've worked with has had something like this.

      Ah, that's different. When I was in school, I couldn't go to the high school and get permission to take a college course. They flat out told me that if I took the class, I couldn't get credit. I took the class anyway. The university was more than happy to put me through the class, give me a grade, and give me paperwork to show to the school to get credit. Of course, the school still didn't give me credit. After I re-took the class in high school (with an easy A), I eventually talked to someone else in the district who did manage to get me credit, so I had credit twice in high school for Physics and Calculus (and since you can't count the same class twice, did me no good). So, the university willing to take high schoolers and give them credit that should count in high school is completely independent of whether the school district has a program that encourages students to leave and take college classes.

  2. My wife just started teaching... by AdamTrace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My wife just started teaching 9th and 10th grade high school math. I gave her a little crash course on basic computer security (including watching out for keyloggers!)

    It's common knowledge that the kids are smarter than the teachers, computer-wise... but hasn't it always been that way?

    1. Re:My wife just started teaching... by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not before computers became common household items it wasn't. If your house had a TTY clacking away in the corner, connected up to the good ol' Data General Nova (my high school's computer lab setup before they dumped it for a room full of TRS-80s) then you had an extremely unusual childhood.

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    2. Re:My wife just started teaching... by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It's common knowledge that the kids are smarter than the teachers, computer-wise

      When I was in the 8th grade, I got stuck in both a typing course and "Technology education." The computers were Apple IIe's and 8086's (dated but not REALLY old -- I had a shiny new 286!).

      Every friday in typing course we got to play lemonaide stand and whoever got the highest score got a candybar. The highest score ever was like 5000$. The game was written in basic, so I changed the score print line to print score+1000000. We liked to play it cool, so we kept playing the game like normal until some kid walked up behind us, saw the score, them promptly flipped out.

      We also got a program that made letters in text mode fall off the screen. It was funny as hell and everyone just assumed the computer had a virus.

      I also brought a bunch of games for the tech ed class to play. However, altruism has its price. I wrote a program that displayed some choice words about the teacher, but only once every 50 times the game was loaded. We also put it on most of the schools disks. We had intended it to go off sometime after we were long gone from that class. But we grossly misestimated the ammount of useage the programs got, and two weeks later we were banned from using pretty much anything with electricity :)

      When I got to highschool, the library computers were locked down tight, they had a menu program that was pretty secure. So I brought a boot disk, stole the menu program (I had intended to find a security hole in it). Never did find a hole -- but I attached a TSR program TO the menu program, then used a bootdisk to insrt a script which activated the altered menu program after the NEXT reboot (so I would be long gone by the time the payload hit). The TSR I attached made the computer "sing" a song. You have to imagine this was in the days where computers didnt even have SOUND CARDS. And this one was warbling this godawful tune (sampled audio) out its pc speaker.

      All the kids in the school knew I did it, but I didn't get offically caught... But I was kicked out of the library for the entire year in another incident altogether which didn't involve a computer :)

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    3. Re:My wife just started teaching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of HS. I never did anything nefarious with the faculty computers. They knew I was interested in the things, however, so quenched my thirst by having me install the new network and grading software on the faculty machines. (This was back in 1990 or so, on an Apple LocalTalk network.) I did it as an after school job, and got paid. And yes, it quenched my thirst for curiousity. Best yet, they reminded me that "now that we got you to install it, if anything happens, you'll be the first to get blame. So don't crack it, and stop anyone that might. YOU will get the heat either way." Oh shit. Later that year some dork that was barely smart enough to edit a DOS batch file did some text editing, and got all the boot disks (yes, we still used DOS 2.11 in 1990!) to display a rather nefarious message. I don't think it was fair, but I was hunted down first and told "you're guilty until proven innocent." Well, it was pretty easy to prove that it was just a batch file prank, there was no damage, and I wouldn't do something so low-tech in the first place. I DID hunt down the guilty party, but rather than turning him over to the teachers, I decided I would excercise my own brand of vigilantism for causing ME the trouble.

      15 years later, I'm now a network engineer exclusively working on secure designs. I guess school really did have an effect on my future. :-)

    4. Re:My wife just started teaching... by urbaer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Once had a lecturer (in Networking) who said in the first lecture every year, that if anyone hacked into his network, they would recieve an automatic High Distinction, even if they didn't do the test or attend a lecture. AFAIK no-one ever managed it (though I'm not sure anyone ever bothered to attempt it).

    5. Re:My wife just started teaching... by Anubis350 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember back when they first starting locking down the computers in the library at my HS I did something simillar to what you're talking about. I got rather annoyed at the time because I had been using the library machines to some coding and now couldnt, so I set out to break the protection.

      Some of the things the admin did were rather amusing, like the fact that the original protection locked the machine down, but didnt lock you out of the autoexec.bat file, where it was called. So to disable, simply erase the program call in the autoexec and reboot (part of the problem was that our admin had very little experiance with windows in the beginning, knowing mac and unix far better). anyway, this went on and on, I would break the protection (usually leaving a message and description of how I did it in some log file or another) and the admin would put new protection on the machines. You should see those mahines now, locked down tighter'n fort knox.

      Once I got a laptop I stopped doing this. Its ironic actually, at the time our admin hated me with a passion (she knew it was me, but could never prove it). Now everytime I visit my HS I drop by her office, hang-out for a while, and talk shop.

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    6. Re:My wife just started teaching... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Every friday in typing course we got to play lemonaide stand and whoever got the highest score got a candybar. The highest score ever was like 5000$. The game was written in basic, so I changed the score print line to print score+1000000. We liked to play it cool, so we kept playing the game like normal until some kid walked up behind us, saw the score, them promptly flipped out."

      I enjoyed graphics programming, though my teachers didn't. I wrote a program that filled the screen with B&W random dots, then cycled the colors. It looked a LOT like TV static. One of the students had a computer that the teacher couldn't see. That little twerp was always playing a tank game on it. (The rest of us couldn't, we'd get caught in a heartbeat.) So I swapped his game executable with my static generator, and the dude spent 5 minutes staring at the screen wondering whether or not he should tell the teacher he broke the computer.

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    7. Re:My wife just started teaching... by 241comp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When my HS put new security software on their computers I got around it with a bit of social engineering. I created a fake company email address and emailed the creators of the software. I told them that I was interested in how to temporarily disable their software without shutting off the computer because we used the software at my business and I occassionally needed to bypass the security. They told me a back door. Simple as that.

    8. Re:My wife just started teaching... by Techguy666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kids tend to be better than teachers - or adults in general - at certain skills because they have the time to tinker and explore.

      As a teacher or other professional, you are employed to do a specific job for 8 hours a day. You then go home and have only about another 8 hours to shop, clean the house, cook, visit friends, etc... When you are on the computer, it's to complete a task such as responding to e-mail and then you're off to another task such as laundry. Kids get on the computer and they *play*. They'll meander about, doing various tasks on the machine while exploring and experimenting. That gives them several hours of hands-on time per day compared to the average adult, plus what they've learned are not limited to e-mail or word processing.

  3. Security by captnitro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people I meet don't necessarily think computer security is a problem past virii and adware -- and it shouldn't necessarily be their problem, it requires better design. But could their be a lesson here as to the importance of real-life, practical security needs?

    1. Re:Security by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem here, though, is that it's difficult to design a better human - humans being, after all, the biggest footfall in physical security, largely due to not knowing shit about physical security or proper passwords.

      It takes many years (about 12 + 4 here in the states) to program a human, and for years the quality of that programming has decreased drastically due to bored, underpaid programmers and poor programming procedures in general. I'm not sure how you want to make the humans better, but currently there's no practical method aside from the non-profit "open source" method of human programming.

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    2. Re:Security by gad_zuki! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > The problem here, though, is that it's difficult to design a better human

      Actually, I'd argue that both humans are designed quite well, its just one of them has a skill set that allows him to victimize the other with near impunity, as this case is a deviation from the norm.

      A great deal of law is based on the concept that there will be those who have some power to take, coerce, hurt, etc others. In this case the student used his skills (albiet pathetic in terms of hacking) to vicitmize the teacher and make a profit off of stolen information.

      In the context of a society where the world is shifting from property-based to information-based transactions and wealth, this is a very important distinction. The world is very much changing and it is up to the legislature and the judiciary to keep up with the changes. It wasnt too long ago where electronic identify theft wasnt really seen as a problem and now most states have specific laws on targetting this.

      Of course, one can argue "well laws are already in place for x or y" but that is a half-truth at best. Many wiretap laws and false identification laws are worded in a specific way which gives the offender an unfair advantage. Telephone based wiretap laws do not protect people from sniffers (usually). Its also easy to imagine a lot of people screaming "We already have these laws for the telegraph" or somesuch when these laws were proposed. They fail to realize the fundamental difference between these technologies and their expliots.

      Now, this case does involve a minor, which of course leaves the DA to opportunity to try him as such. It also leaves the jury the option to give a low sentance if they believe the defendant is worthy of it. This is a built-in checks and balance system to help control over-zealous prosecutors. In fact, a jury has no legal obligation to obey the law and can use a method called jury nullification to toss out the case on the premise that the law is unfair in itself.

      The "wild west" mentality of information technology has to fold as more and more vital and important things are trusted to computers, networks, etc. The "hackers ethic" from the 70's and 80's certainly does not apply when we have people putting their lives on their computers, be it all the financial transactions, bank passwords, or even baby pictures. In short, the stakes have been raise by quite a bit and sending violators to county jail or even state prison cannot be dismissed out of hand as being a dystopian ideal.

      A misdemeanor, frankly, for information theft and sale-of isnt that bad. Many computer crimes are felonies and personally I think the use of keyloggers should automatically be a felony as they void encryption schemes are are promiscious, thus unable to tell the difference between homework answers and bank passwords or pgp passphrases.

      I would also like to see the hardware keylogger made illegal to sell, transport, or posses. And I would love to see a user's "bill of rights" which protects them from these threats wherever they originate, be it from the kid in some class or from the government doing something unethical without a warrant.

  4. You reap what you sow by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every computer added to a classroom is another nail in the coffin of modern teaching. There is nothing added by adding a computer, but much is taken away.

    Computers ought to remain in "computer labs" and perhaps on the desks for specialized "computer classes", but they definitely don't belong anywhere else.

    Creative usage of computers for teaching is a copout on the kids. By removing the teacher/student relationship and replacing it with an inanimate object, the kids lose out on a great deal of education. This is why home-schooled kids typically do better in college than "computer schooled" kids do.

    Is it any surprise that the more technology becomes a part of these kids' educations, the more likely it is that the bad apples are going to find ways to exploit the system?

    1. Re:You reap what you sow by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tell that to my old High School who bought everybody new iBooks, I know *alot* of places that same money could of been put to better use. No i'm not trying to rag on Apple here, the school has *alot* of things wrong with it and throwing computers out to everybody on their kind of budget was probably the stupidest thing they could of done.

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    2. Re:You reap what you sow by sunami · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree. A computer can be used to enhance the teaching environment, if used correctly. I do however realize that this will not always happen. But, why can the computers not be used for aiding the teaching process. A power-point of notes that you are explaining, allowing the kids both visual, written, and audio versions of the information.

      Even if the computers are not used for teaching, they are used for grades. This by far speeds the process of getting grades back to the kids. It also has led to teachers putting grades online (passworded) so that students and their parents can, at any point, look up each individual grade that has been entered. This allows for parents to get more involved in the guiding of their kids, realizing when grades are falling, before it's too late to pull them up.

    3. Re:You reap what you sow by I+am+the+Bullgod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, kids have suffered over the ages by depending on inanimate learning tools(books, blackboards, pencils, etc.).

      I agree that education should not degenerate to the point where kids are plugged into them all day (like the clones in Star Wars Episode II). However, computers can (and should) be used to complement the teacher's lesson plan and to allow the teacher to spend less time on busy work (manually grading papers, etc.) and more time interacting with the students.

      As for abuses of technology, kids have always found ways to cheat and always will. Anyone remember Bluto dumpster-diving for the mimeograph negative?

    4. Re:You reap what you sow by Derkec · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's hard though. A lot of times school budgets get grants (government and otherwise) that can only be spent on technology. It's not always the school's dumb decision on where the money gets spent.

    5. Re:You reap what you sow by Noginbump · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the school in the town where I live (not where I went to High School) spent over 6 million dollars on revamping their football field. I played High School football and it was some my most memorable times, but it didn't help me all that much professionally. I mean, I learned as much teamwork on the QuizBowl team (yes I was a nerd who played sports). And it's not like High Schools have Nike or Reebok lining up for sponsorships to pay for those stadiums. That came out of tax dollars.

      I would rather they spent that money on iBooks than a football field. Or God forbid they just lower taxes and not buy anything...

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    6. Re:You reap what you sow by Geekbot · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That is such a giant blanket statement. You are way so far to the extreme it makes it hard for people to accept the good points of your post.
      Computers are misused by many teachers. I work for a school and my job is to make sure teachers understand how to use their computers, and when and why.


      Homeschooled kids will do better. One of the reasons is that a homeschooled kid isn't competing with 29 other kids for the teacher's attention. Sometimes a computer can give a student instant feedback that is just not otherwise possible with the size of current classrooms.


      Computers in the classroom allow teachers to present information in different ways, 3-D modeling, conferencing, visualizing abstract concepts, etc.


      Federal law states that by the end of 8th grade that a student should be computer literate. There are many research skills that are necessary to understand on the computer. When was the last time you saw a card catalog that was not on a computer?


      And how is a school district going to keep track of all of their attendance, discipline issues, etc, without a computer in the classroom? Districts are becoming more efficient and saving money by using programs to enter and track student information including grades and attendance. How would this happen without a classroom computer? And are you suggesting that every teacher should be forced to handwrite every assignment and test they give to the student? Where are they going to type it up without a classroom computer?


      Technology is just a word for the tools we use. Tools are not evil, they are not detrimental just for existing. Isn't it more true that the problem is that students aren't using how or when to use the correct tools? Do I understand that you are stating that computers should be used for computer classes but not used to enhance the core curriculum? What a waste of time and money to teach a kid to use a computer if you don't believe computers are beneficial.

    7. Re:You reap what you sow by div_2n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nonsense. Just like chalkboards, whiteboards, calculators and all the other tools that are used to enhance learning, computers can have their place if properly integrated.

      For example, imagine in a calculus class that is very large that students are working a problem out on a touch screen tablet PC. A teacher could work more efficiently if she could have an interactive terminal session and show where in the problem solving the student went wrong or give hints. Instead of having to walk back and forth to each student, the teacher could quickly jump back and forth from screen to screen from their desk. Sounds dumb until you realize that the teacher would have more energy throughout the day to help students better.

      There could be many more examples, this is just one. Jsut because you lack the foresight to see how computers in the classroom could be good doesn't mean they couldn't be.

    8. Re:You reap what you sow by FisherRider · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I must disagree with the statement in the parent post that There is nothing added by adding a computer, but much is taken away. I attend a public high school, and while we have a computer lab, there is at least one computer in almost ever classroom. Some classes even have a screen and projector built in, and any teacher can request a cart with a laptop, projector and VCR. While it could be argued that some teachers deserve a built-in projector more than others, all the teachers I've had with one of them use it very well.

      I'm in a multivariable calculus and linear algebra class, and the teacher uses a combination of laptop, LCD projector, calculator projector, and overhead projector to the class's advantage every day. He has problems and explanations queued up on a powerpoint, and then works them out on the overhead, occasionally showing us syntax and things on the calculator. This is very helpful and has never detracted from my learning experience. As far as computers in the classroom go, they are also very helpful to the learning environment. Teachers do grades and attendance electronically, which expedites the process considerably. They can also easily distribute documents by posting them in an "info" folder accessable by their students on other computers in the school, and can collect files from those students in a "drop" folder. They even subscribe to a service that lets teachers check papers for plagerism. I have never seen a student try to changes grades with this system (though some have messed up the network a couple times).

      The greatest problems that have arisen from computers in the classroom are those that stem from network downtime - teachers can't get as much done, and neither can students. Unfortunately, the IT department is not terribly adept (someone plugged a cat5 cable into two different network jacks, and it took down the entire network for a weekend). Computers in the classroom definitley augment, not detract from, kids' education.

    9. Re:You reap what you sow by IO+ERROR · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Is it any surprise that the more technology becomes a part of these kids' educations, the more likely it is that the bad apples are going to find ways to exploit the system?

      Whatever happened to actually studying and learning something? We've always had these "bad apples" who would rather cheat than learn, and the computers certainly do make things more interesting, but the real question is, why are these people more inclined to cheat their way through school, and what can be done to solve the underlying problem?

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    10. Re:You reap what you sow by WebCrapper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This has always annoyed me. When schools spend more time and money on their sports program than any other aspect of the school, there is something wrong. They all strive to be the best at sports...gag.

      I went to a high school that spent several million on thier sports program each year, but would have run of the mill computers around and not keep them up to date. They ran the very first version of Windows 95 (the one where you could close the start button) until late 1998 when I graduated. 2 years later, I visited the school and found they where using the same OS - couldn't believe it. But oh my, the parents would scream if they let the football program slip a little...

    11. Re:You reap what you sow by David+Rolfe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To expand on the parent's information:

      In educational deals like this, remember that the cost for each iBook is somewhere between $275 and $500. School systems get great bang for the buck with technology grants and the like -- they aren't even necessarily tax payer funded. :-D Just like they get huge amounts of money for sports from Coke or Pepsi (whoever has 'pouring rights' for the district). The facts are that school districts get so little money from taxes (write your governor) that they have to (or are happy to) take money from whomever is willing regardless of the agenda being pushed, whether it's Microsoft and their settlement requirements or the junk food pushers.

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    12. Re:You reap what you sow by Johan+Veenstra · · Score: 2, Interesting
      And how is a school district going to keep track of all of their attendance, discipline issues, etc, without a computer in the classroom? Districts are becoming more efficient and saving money by using programs to enter and track student information including grades and attendance. How would this happen without a classroom computer? And are you suggesting that every teacher should be forced to handwrite every assignment and test they give to the student? Where are they going to type it up without a classroom computer?


      In my highschool (1986-1992) the teachers used computers for all this stuff. But at least they gort a clue about security. So the teachers had computers, in a seperate locked room, on a seperate network. Even the electricity didn't go on without a key. The only way you could tamper with that was to steal the server at night, take it home, tamper with it, and return it the same night.
  5. Hello Oversight? by NoTheory · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who is letting kids install stuff on school gear?

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    1. Re:Hello Oversight? by desplesda · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not hard to install keyloggers. You just plug them between the keyboard cable and the back of the machine. When you're done, you take it off, plug it into yours and then type the passwordKEYLOGGER 3.15 MENU OPTIONS 1. DUMP 2. CLEAR 3. EXIT

    2. Re:Hello Oversight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who said he had to install anything? He could have used one of these with about 5 seconds of unmonitored physical access

      Or you could read TFA

      Unless you think they should hot-glue-gun the keyboard into the PS/2 port?

  6. I wish I had thought of this by SaidinUnleashed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, maybe not really.

    Don't wanna go to jail.

    But it would have been handy in several classes last semester. :p

    But I did recently discover the admin password for the network, by looking at the only 5 worn keys on the server's keyboard ^_^

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  7. What kind of idiot... by FireballX301 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...uses a keylogger DONGLE?

    Seriously. Did he think that the teacher wouldn't notice a DONGLE that was added to the computer?

    Please. At least use a trojan-type keylogger, or something even slightly covert.

    1. Re:What kind of idiot... by jmrobinson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I disagree, some keyloggers can be very discreet and look just like an adapter. Like this one... Unless the teacher is at least somewhat computer savvy, they will be none the wiser.

    2. Re:What kind of idiot... by bloo9298 · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFA. The teacher didn't notice. The kid confessed when they found him selling the exams.

    3. Re:What kind of idiot... by losinggeneration · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're referring to the actual article, then maybe this quote will help " 'He was cooperative and admitted he had done this,' Simpson said, adding that police confiscated the device, which plugged into a keyboard port in the back of a computer tower."

      Sooo, how many run of the mill teachers are supposed to be checking their ps2 port every day, or even before/after each class? Yeah... That's what I thought!

  8. paper and pencil by wikinerd · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, too, have switched from computers to paper and pencil for storing sensitive information like password lists. I don't trust PCs when it comes to security.

  9. Greedy by PxM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    She said the scheme was uncovered after authorities learned that the boy had attempted to sell the answers.He seems to have gotten caught because he was greedy. This brings up the question of how many kids have done this (use physical keystroke loggers) and have managed to get away with it. Do IT companies have any scheme to check for this sort of thing other than just locking up the physical case in the desk so the ports aren't reachable?

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  10. Of course, they could stay with computers by RLiegh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if they placed the computers (with the tests) someplace better. As /.ers know, the most important part of computer security is physical access.

    Remove the computer (with the tests) to somewhere that only teachers' can go, and you'll mostly eliminate the problem, without resorting to pen and paper.

    1. Re:Of course, they could stay with computers by rhpot1991 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can tell you how much physical security can hurt a network from experience, in college I took a computer security corse, in which my main paper was on Windows XP security (or lack thereof). After doing research and all I became highly interested in it, and of corse being college students we decided to see how far we could get into our college's network. It started off with me simply rebooting a network computer with a DOS boot disk with NTFS reading capabilites, from there I stole the sam file, and ran it into l0phtcrack. Now l0phtcrack takes a long time to run completely (give or take 2 months on an athlon xp 1900+). I then came across a simple program that looked like the windows 2k lock screen, so we set that up and used some social engineering skills to trick a student aid into "unlocking" the computer for us. Now in the end I would have been able to crack the password anyways, since I had access to the bios settings, but I ask how can a college stop something from this from happening? After all student aids may need those privledges depending upon what they are assigned to do.

  11. Calm down by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before we all start to scream bloody murder this, fascist law that, I would like to say that this kid got what he deserved. He is not a victim here. The victim is a teacher whose privacy was violated and the attorney deserves our support this time. This case is completely unlike the one of DVD John or Kevin Mitnick. The 180 days in jail is nothing in this case. So please, let's stop our knee-jerk reactions and congratulate the law enforcement just once when they in fact have done a good job. No need to panic here, no need to remind about 1984 or the Third Reich, because this kid was the one who was spying on his teacher and who belongs in jail. This story is only about "Your Rights Online" because your rights could be as easily violated like the rights of that teacher were violated by his student. We need to be protected from spies, be them MIAA, NSA or our students.

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    1. Re:Calm down by peasleer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, did you RTFA? The kid wasn't snooping on his teacher's information, he was using the information gained from the keylogging to post answers for other students. What he did was indeed illegal, and no, it isn't any need for yells of conspiracy. However, since no one has made a comment even related to tinfoil hats, your post was highly unnecessary. And since it was a post made without utilizing the information on the topic, it could be taken that you jumped to a conclusion without proper knowledge... sometimes referred to as a kneejerk reaction. Kind of hypocritical.

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    2. Re:Calm down by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I humbly disagree. I think that just about everybody here has in some way or another violated a computer law, be it stealing music online, peeking at somebody else's e-mail account, or even using a library machine in a lavicious manner.

      Computer crimes are elevated well beyond reason by a public afraid of the boggyman that technology represents to a luddite populace. We've been throwing people in jail for decades, whether it's a "phreaker" who can whistle a 2600hz "red box" tone back in the days of Ma Bell or a social recluse that demonstrates a flaw in a school computer security system only to face "justice" far harsher than hardened shoplifters or even carjackers might face -- all in the name of setting an example to legions of pasty youth who might wreak havoc on the Internet and by extension a number of normal people by their exploits.

      My suggestion is to drop all computer laws until they can be evaluated by competent unbiased professionals in computer science for logic and reprecussion. Things have gotten out of hand.

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    3. Re:Calm down by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think youre wrong, the kid should be charged with a felony for this. This is exactly like breaking and entering and spying on someone. Until people see the real world analog to computer crimes we're going to have to deal with very casual law breaking and victimization. I dont think we've given deterance enough of a chance when it comes to things like these.

    4. Re:Calm down by Kadmos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Without objecting in any way to your point, I do wonder how many hardened crim's this 16 yr old will meet in jail and what he will learn. Of course, we really have nothing to worry about as I have no doubt he will be a good reformed citizen when he emerges from jail 6 months from now.

    5. Re:Calm down by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think what the grandparent was pointing out, is that there was a crime here regardless of the involvement of computers. Computers are just a tool. Should a burglar get a longer sentence for using a glass cutter to break into your house instead of smashing the window in with a baseball bat? The tool is irrelevant.

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    6. Re:Calm down by Jessta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just wonder...if the kid had stolen the test after it was printed out would he still be facing 6 months in jail?

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  12. Heh, brings back memories... by Ghostgate · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's common knowledge that the kids are smarter than the teachers, computer-wise... but hasn't it always been that way?

    This is true. When I was in junior high in the early 90s, we had some basic computer course that involved filling out answers to some questions on a computer. I don't really remember that much about it now. But one day a bunch of us were in the lab and we found the teacher's disk, which had the answers to everything. We entered the disk and the program asked for a password. My friends were ready to give up. I thought for a moment and typed in "hello". It worked... first try. It was hilarious. My friends, most of whom hadn't used computers much by that time, thought I was some kind of serious hacker.

    I guess this was a lot funnier in 1992. But the point is... I'm sure then, just like now, the teachers thought everything was secure. There's always someone who's going to prove them wrong. ;)

    1. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reminds me of back in the mid-90's. I bombed the hell out of Geometry and so retook it in summer school. The summer school class was entirely self-taught with lectures and then a quiz, all done on PC. Found out that if the machine reset in the middle of a quiz, the results would be wiped out. Since the quizzes also told you the correct answer when you got one wrong... surely you can see where this is going?

      I think that A was even easier than the one I got in AP Computer Science (back when it was still Pascal)...

    2. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even worse, my old middle school used to give these mini-portable word processors to students as part of a pilot program. They had a bunch of features only accesable to teachers via a special password. Unfortunately, that password was "teach". needless to say those features didn't remain teacher only for long.

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    3. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by EvanED · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For a while the school I was at was using Macs with some front end on it--it was called At Ease IIRC--that were password protected from getting to the finder. The password was the room number of the computer. (Only for the teachers' computers; the labs were different.)

      *Facepalm*

    4. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm guessing that scenario of your's was mostly successful due to luck. Sure,there was a degree of good human understanding on your part as to what a teacher might pick as a password, but the likelyhood was still quite low - unless there was a particular reason you thought "hello" would be valid, that is?

      I've got a similar story that's similar (my relationship to them won't be shared to protect them from any reprecussions - you never know - but I can tell you that it was not me that was involved).

      A science teacher (chemistry, I think?) in my acquantance's high school had already given the final exam for a class he was in before the last week of school. So, when he went in for his last actual class period for that course, she basically said "free day". She passed out pizza because a certain percentage of the class had gotten A's on the final (and in the course), and she wanted to reward them as she said she would. She had some board games and various chemistry-related fun things for students to do at their leasure for the hour (oooo! dry ice!), and let them at it.

      Except for one thing. She started up her computer, opened up the gradebook application terminal, and told the students that they could come up, one by one, to check their grades. She then went back to her desk and read her book (until the dry ice fun began, at least).

      Well, as it would be, she opened her grade book - not an exported spreadsheet or anything like that. Students were more than able to change their grades at whim, or the grades of their friends.

      Well, this acquantance of mine changed a couple F's for incomplete homework assignments to C's and what have you - enough to bring him up to the A he needed (which reflected his exams). He also changed the grades of a fellow classmate of his, one who was notorious for beating up middle school kids and being an all around jackass - in the opposite direction. Nobody found out, and apparently a couple other folks did the same thing, too.

      If there was reporting software for the gradebook, I suspect it made quite a few revision notes during that 30 minute period prior to the dry ice fun. :P

      The irony is, this exact same thing happened to the same acquantance a couple years earlier as well (minus the grade altering). Teachers are just stupid (either that, or they want to do everything possible to make sure it looks like their students did well - the chem teacher in the first example was apparently quite easy.)

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    5. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by Columcille · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've got a similar story that's similar

      I love those similar stories that are similar. :)

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    6. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by syukton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At one school I attended prior to college, the Library had these little Macintosh machines running UNIX terminal sessions. In the middle of searching for a book you could just hit the escape character (control and one of the [ ] keys; I forget which at the moment) and get yourself a Telnet> prompt, and from there you could use telnet commands to manipulate the system, including getting access to a very well-priveleged shell.

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    7. Re:Heh, brings back memories... by TheJaff · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two things I did in high school:

      1. My school ran a Novell network where the login program was a simple dos-program (login.exe) that prompted you for username and password. I made a trojan and swapped the exe-file (I think I used Pascal) for a program that wrote down the username and password to file. This file you could pipe to the original login.exe and voilá: the user wouldnt know that his password had been sniffed :) This had been done before but without actually login them in so it was much uglier. But, I didnt stop at this.

      Instead of going around to every computer collecting all passwords (which had also been done before by some other guy) I used the command-line mail program to mail the username/password to me everytime some logged in (very stupid, I actually used my OWN mail account, not a hacked one, luckily I didnt get caught). So everytime I logged in I would get "You have 354 new messages!" *chuckle*.

      So the next step was of course to write a program that would sort this information into one master file, replacing old entries and so on.. in a couple of days I had a full register of all users passwords in the whole school, including all teachers (and comp admins) :)

      2. I logged in to the schools web server using telnet just looking around. I used my own login name and password. The next day I was picked up in class and taken to a room, and I swear there was this interrogation-table-lamp there and all :) and got some vague threat about the police and stuff.. I hadnt done anything wrong, but they just wanted to know if it really was me who logged in using my acount and if I would know how to change the "settings" so that I wouldnt be able to login any more :-D

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  13. Here we go! by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not a thing. It has to do with a dishonest kid who got busted doing something wrong. But sure as the earth turns, someone here will twist it into some dark big brother scheme to strip the common man of our rights. Somehow.

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  14. My rights online? WTF? by jdreed1024 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Um, this is simply an electronic version of stealing the answer key from the teacher's office. And I'd expect a student to be charged with a crime for breaking into a teacher's office to steal an answer key. This, of course, is even worse, since the student could easily have obtained other information, such as credit card numbers (plenty of teachers order supplies online), usernames, passwords, etc.

    This isn't some poor misguided kid who got thrown in jail because the "lab monitor" saw him using "that Linux hacking tool" on the school Windows machines. Nor is it some grey-hat hacker pushing boundaries. When you actively go and install a keystroke monitor on a machine that is not yours, you're out to get information that you shouldn't have, period. It's totally premeditated, too - it's not like he was poking around in /tmp and found a MS Word auto-save backup file with the answer key in it, or was rummaging around in the trash can because he dropped his retainer and found the answer key - he deliberately went and got a keystroke logger and put it on the machine. There's no possible way to spin this as an innocent kid getting screwed.

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  15. Amazing! by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Funny
    He installed it when the teacher was not looking. Simpson said.

    Diabolical technique! Who would have thought!

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  16. Jail time would be overkill. by Ghostgate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jail time for minors is almost never a good idea. There are some very rare cases where it's necessary, but this is not one of them, so I hope it doesn't come to that. We usually go easier on minors because it's widely believed that since they are still young, they still have time to change their ways, and so they deserve another chance. After all, most of us did some fairly stupid and/or illegal things as teenagers, many of which would've gotten us arrested or otherwise in serious trouble if we had been caught. But that doesn't mean we turned out to be criminals. We simply "grew up" and grew out of pulling those kind of stunts. Jail time for something like this is just going to set this kid's whole life back a LONG ways. So let's hope it doesn't happen. He should get a long community service term or something.

  17. Teacher = you by westendgirl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps I'm way off base here, but I assumed the person with violated rights was the teacher. I'm sure people in other professions risk having their clients log keystrokes or otherwise violate privacy. Of course, the school board (employer) could log keystrokes, but that's entirely different.

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    1. Re:Teacher = you by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm really not sure why people think they have a right to privacy when at work, working on their employeer's computer.

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    2. Re:Teacher = you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe for the same reason people expect privacy when they use someone else's bathroom/changing room/etc.

    3. Re:Teacher = you by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so if they put the teachers on powerbooks running OSX this would not happen so easily.

      first 99.9% of all these kiddies are confused when their scripts or "hack pak" does not work on that non-windows machine. secondly a hardware logger does not work on a laptop.

      Schools usually have no IT department and what they have is usually a teacher doing it part time or someone who is horribly inadoquate because the school refuses to hire someone that is qualified by making the salary liveable (I checked out school IT positions before, you get incompetent boobs if you only pay $29,500 a year...)

      Yes there are exceptions, some school boards understand that hiring and keeping decently paid IT professionals is important, but those are extremely rare.

      The Kids in school have much higher knowlege of the computers than the entire staff put together, It's an arms race that the schools will continue to lose until the boards pull their heads out of their asses and hire competent IT professionals at wage levels that ATTRACT competent IT professionals.

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    4. Re:Teacher = you by danheskett · · Score: 2, Interesting

      so if they put the teachers on powerbooks running OSX this would not happen so easily.

      That's security through obscurity. There are plenty of key loggers available for Mac OS X.

      The Kids in school have much higher knowlege of the computers than the entire staff put together, It's an arms race that the schools will continue to lose until the boards pull their heads out of their asses and hire competent IT professionals at wage levels that ATTRACT competent IT professionals.

      Why should the school district bother with IT? There are many, many, many more worthwhile things to spend money on.

      I am computer professional, and I volunteer at a school. When the principle asked what they could do to get more bang for their IT buck, I suggested getting rid of all the computers, all of the computer classes, all of the network/equipment and spending the money on something worthwhile.

      She thought I was kidding at first. I told if she did that I'd volunteer to setup a standalone network in a disused classroom and give after hours classes in LOGO or whatnot.

    5. Re:Teacher = you by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah! Like football! We don't need more people who understand computers. We need more people that know how to buy SPECTATOR sports related stuff. When are we going to learn that hiring qualified coaches, installing night lighting (with the added electric costs), and remodeling aging school stadiums is WAY more important that hiring competant computer/History/Civics/Math teachers.

      Wake up America!

  18. I've done this before... by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in my high school spanish class, the teacher made an offer that if anyone could figure out his Windows screensaver password (which was a spanish nickname his grandma gave him), he'd give that person an A for the year. The fool.

  19. Only a misdemeanor? by Dimensio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems that when I normally hear about incidents even less severe than this -- for example, a student sending out a popup window with the NET SEND command -- the consequences are far more more harsh. Expulsion, possible felony charges... ...where is sane thinking actually prevailing in this country?

  20. Re:Hm by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to be a troll, but since when did children need a strong teacher/student relationship? Back in high school, one of my favorite teachers showed up at the beginning of class, handed us lab sheets and reading assignments, then went out for coffee. And of the 10 home-schooled kids I know, fully five of them couldn't handle real college and ended up in local community colleges to stay close to their parents. I'd say a strong connection to one's teachers is as likely to be harmful as useful.

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  21. Damn it by Pax00 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn it son.. I thought I taught you right... Keep the price low.. sell more.. keep people happy.. you stay out of trouble.. now look at what you have done...

  22. Re:Responsibilty by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think that the punishment being proposed is way too harsh (don't get me wrong).

    A Class B misdemeanor. Maximum punishment of $2000 and 180 days in jail. When ever there is a crime reported in the news, they always list the maximim possible punishment. Makes it sound much worse.

    How much you wanna bet he gets a fine and community service? Not all judges automatically give out the max punishment, especially for a first time HS kid offender, and especially for a crime where there was no physical harm or actual property/monetary theft

  23. So? by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where is the controversy or violation of rights here? This is simply news. The kid did something that is clearly, blatantly wrong; there is no gray area or justification or defense. He got caught and should face the consequences.

    1. Re:So? by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do the consequences of cheating on a test in school involve possible jail time these days? Wow...

  24. Bad kid. No cookie. by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, this kid should get in trouble, yes, but I fail to understand why this is such an amazingly huge deal that it has to involve police and possible jail time. He was looking for test answers and then he tried to sell them and got caught. It appears that was the extent of his crime, too. There's no mention of stealing credit card numbers, account logins, etc.

    Yes, he *could* have done that. The article, though, seems pretty clear it was just about the tests. Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Does potentially sending a kid to jail and giving him a huge fine fit the crime of trying to cheat on a couple tests in school?

    I'm sure there's going to be many claims of "but he could have done more!" Except, by all accounts, he didn't do more. So.. I don't understand the idea of having extensive punishment for something he *could* have done if he had just been a smarter or more patient criminal. This is about as serious as finding a copy of the answer sheet sitting on the desk and copying it down while the teacher is busy somewhere else, isn't it? Isn't that the crime that was alleged and admitted to? Would a kid get charged with "breach of teacher's desk, a class B misdemeanor" in that case these days?

    Maybe school has just changed a lot from when I was there. Scary world we live in.

  25. Re:in high school... by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

    I did that too. We logged into our accounts in DOS; I wrote a DOS emulator that mimicked the basic command set. When they tried to log in, it would add their password to a list, state that there was an error, and then log out of my account to the real login prompt.

    I never stole tests or anything of the sort. However, I did have fun when the final project came around. While everyone was writing little text games or whatnot, I wrote this full-featured graphical demo. One of the scenes in the demo was a stereogram generator. The hidden image in the stereogram was the teacher's administrator login and password. :)

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  26. Re:Computer Security by general_re · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If Windows were properly locked down (ala User rights for students) then Windows wouldn't be able to properly detect and use said hardware device.

    Ummm, what? I don't think you understand how these things work - it's basically some flash memory and a microcontroller. All the thing does is record the keystrokes that it receives and passes them along to the computer - it's totally OS-independent. There's no way to "lock down" the OS to prevent something like this from being installed, as it neither needs nor uses any resources on the host computer. The only way to prevent it is to prevent physical access.

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  27. Re:I did this 6 years ago in Middle School! by hunterx11 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    FoolProof is a joke. I got around it by putting ResEdit on a disk, moving the resource fork for the extension to another file, and rebooting. Then just put the rsrc back into it and reboot again when finished. Granted, it takes longer, but it doesn't need any social engineering at all.

    Actually, I used it to install Escape Velocity on the computers, with my friends and I having custom ships as NPCs (they did have games on them already). Some of the teachers even knew that I somehow was getting around security, but didn't seem to care.

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  28. You also have to remember by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sentencing guidlines are maximums, AS in the legal limit that cannot be exceeded. So for this particular crime he may be sentenced to no more than 180 days in jail. Even if the judge feels he's dangerous scum, the 180 days is the absolute statutory max. The judge may, and likely will, use his discression and lower the sentence.

    In the case of a misdemeanor carrying this little time, it's highly likely the kid will get probation, or a suspended sentence, plus some community service. Means that provided he keeps his nose clean for a few months after this and does what the court tells him, he'll be fine. Being he's a minor, it'll all go away at 18 also, the record will be expunged or sealed.

    That's something people often forget when quoting sentences, it's the max being quoted, not the normal or minimum. Even minor crimes generally have a highish maximum, in relation to the crime, to deal with repeat or flagrant offendors. If this kid tries it again, clearly didn't learn his lesson, and perhaps some jail time is in order. However for misdemeanors, it's rare to see more tham a small amount of jail time, and often none.

    Remember: a misdemeanor is a rather minor crime. Even as an adult, it doesn't cause you much trouble. It doesn't stick with you like a felony (employers can generally only ask about felony records) and prevent you from getting a job, owning a gun, etc. If it's a first time thing, espically for lesser ones, it's generally a slap on the wrist.

    It's real different than felony computer crime, which is more serious. Also felonies quite often mandidate minimum jail time. There's a little more room to be concerned there.

    Here, sounds like justice is being served. This kid broke the law, make no mistake. It is NOT legal to go and record keystrokes or otherwise take data off a computer you don't own, any more than it's legal to break in to a house that's not yours.

    In this case, it's more akin to taking and copying a key. Just because you get a hold of my keyring and successfully make a copy of my key, does not give you permission to get yourself into what that key accesses. Likewise, jsut because you find out my password, doesn't give you the right to access my computer. Both are methods for securing something, indicating unauthorized access is forbidden and you need permission. Copying/stealing the key isn't permission.

    So the kid broke the law. However, no real harm was caused and it's not a big deal. So he's being charged with a minor crime, and will get a small sentence. He keeps his nose clean, in 2 years they'll be no legal record of it, and likely nobody will know he did it. However, if he does it again, maybe he gets a couple months in jail to consider where the path he's choosing leads him.

    To me, it sounds like justice being served as it should.

  29. It's really quite simple by itistoday · · Score: 2, Informative

    These little devices simply plug in between the keyboard and the PS/2 port on a PC. They're usually beige in color and look as if they're supposed to be there.

    You can get them at sites like this and this.

    I've never heard of USB keystroke loggers however (probably because the information transfered between USB keyboards is in an arbitrary format), so any computer using a USB keyboard (modern Macs only have USB keyboards) should be safe.

    Finally, the method of data retrieval is also fairly simple. Simply unplug the device and plug it into your own computer, and in any text editor start typing a certain "code" to open an interface to the keylogger (I think some might come with special software for it as well).

    1. Re:It's really quite simple by alienw · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is nothing inherently secure about USB. USB keyboards use a standardized format. The main thing that keeps you from making a keylogger is the protocol complexity -- you have to understand the usb protocol to log keystrokes. I think it's definitely doable (even though it's definitely more complex than PS/2).

  30. Re:learning with laptops by Bastian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In my senior year of high school, the school I went to implemented a pilot program called, "Anytime, Anywhere Learning." It was some sort of thing done by Microsoft and Toshiba where we were supposed to learn with laptops.

    Apparently, the plan was that giving kids computers and having them use them in class would lead to instant learning.

    I will say that we did learn a lot. I learned how to pierce firewalls, how to tunnel traffic through firewalls, and how to spend my days downloading MP3s and chatting with classmates rather than listening to lectures.

    The teachers, for their part, learned to tell us to keep the laptops in their bags. They also learned that there are about eight million things you can do with a chalkboard that you can't do with PowerPoint, and that the things you can do on both take less effort on a blackboard if you take the time to prepare a set of real lecture notes. They learned that there are a lot of things you can do with textbooks that you can't do with webpages, and they learned that if you let kids use webpages as sources for papers, you're going to get a lot of really crappy papers. They learned that it's impossible for the students to take good notes on a laptop from the moment the lectures start involving diagrams, and it's never possible to take good notes on a laptop in a math class. They learned that there are 8,542 ways to break a laptop, and a pack of 64 students are perfectly capable of finding all of them in less than two weeks.

    All in all, they learned that putting a computer on every desk makes about as much sense as putting a TV on every desk.

  31. I did it in Elementary school. by a+whoabot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The network login we had was some version of Novell Netware. I just made a program that looked like it in BASIC and ran it from DOS-PROMPT. After an attemptive login, I would just make it freeze there, like the computers would sometime do; they'd reboot and lauch the regular one. After I got a teacher's password whose accounts had administrator status(or were able to make new users who had admin status, one of those two), then me and my friends made new accounts and we could install games on them, just stupid stuff, we were like 11 and 12. We got caught because my one idiot friend saved a poem assignment he wrote on one of the admin accounts he made so he could print it later. When the admin came around from the central office for the school board to do whatever maintenance, it was all found out. I got fingered in the scheme by my friend, but I was a much better social hacker than computer hacker and just lied and convinced my way of the situation, even though I was the main culprit.

    I remember my teacher asking the whole class for a show of hands, "who knew that this was going on?" and over half the class raised their hands. Anyway, goes to show, you can only trust yourself. Or, maybe, perform better network security so 11 year olds aren't able to bring it down.

    I note that I haven't kept up my deviant ways, in fact, I haven't kept up my computer ways, I've only got university Programming I, which is to say I don't have anything.

  32. Re:Would a TCPA PC with Linux block SW keyloggers? by magefile · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope. This took in the signal from the keyboard, recorded it, and passed it unchanged (barring minor quantum crap ;-) ) to the PS/2 port. As far as the computer was concerned, there was no difference.

  33. No, seriously by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How ofteh do you check the connections to your computer, I meann REALLY check them, like close enough to see if there's something extra there? How about a work computer, where it's under a desk? How about one that you don't manage, that someone else takes care of?

    When you get down to it, most people won't notice for a long time. My computer is even exposed, and I walk past the back of it every time I go to sit down and use it, and I have to admit, it'd probably escape my notice unless I was doing some maintenance. I simply don't look closely at the cables regularly, no reason to, and a casual glance wouldn't register a small difference in the bunch that comes out the back.

    It's quite effective, on PS/2 computers at least. Main problem is decyphering the data later, since all you get is keystrokes, in the order they came in. IF it's someone who multitasks ans switches apps a lot with the mouse, or does lots of mouse cut n' paste, you can get a real jumble that's hard to understand. However for a username/password combo, usually easy to find.

  34. Happens all the time by myov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was an admin at a high school for a year. Some of the fun things I discovered...

    I'm sure I found keystroke loggers on a few lab machines. Reimage time.

    VNC made it on to the master image. Discovered it as midterm marks were being inputted on the same machines. Of course, there is a paper verification, but still, I had 4 labs of compromised machines with no trusted image.

    Caught a student once logging into a teacher area while reviewing the logs. How? He used his own user id, in a place where students don't have access. Instant visit to the administration and a suspension. I had no problem with keeping him locked out for the rest of the year, but I was overruled. Obviously not the brightest... use someone else's account!

    Students loved creating shortcuts to the C drive. My daily "shortcut scan" took care of those. 24 hour lockout.

    The IT department was either overworked/underpaid, or not actively monitoring things. Students downloaded fun things like kazaa, morpheus, winmx, etc plus associated spyware (before I knew what it was). Yet the board firewall blocked outgoing ssh, so I couldn't update the school's web site from within the building.

    Image was broken so students couldn't change their password. So, they wrote down their user id's and assigned alpha-numeric passwords. Of course, that left no accountability ("I didn't download that!")

    Teachers were also a part of the problem. I immediately forced everyone's password to expire when I discovered the security problem. I had to reset half of them to "password" with the "do not expire password" flag. No matter how many times I explained why they needed a secure password (it only takes one teacher password to compromise ALL the marks, for example).

    I also would have liked to set better lockout policies, including a 1 concurrent login policy. Teachers tended to let students share accounts, instead of sending them to me for a password reset. In some cases, students were already locked out for violations, and the teachers let them "borrow" another student's account!

    I had control of my own machine, and I had a group policy denying all student logins on it. I wish I could have set it on the teacher workstations though. I didn't trust some of the teachers to not let students log in on those machines. 1 logger and we're back to the beginning.

    One of the IT people said it best. The average demographic of a hacker is a 14-18 year old male. That described half of my students.

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    1. Re:Happens all the time by HeghmoH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You sound just like the admin at my high school. Totally unable to see things from other people's perspectives, and trying to fix everything by locking accounts.

      You serve the teachers, and you serve the students. You are support for them, not the ruler of your own private kingdom. You apparently aren't even competent enough to keep people from installing software on your systems, but instead of fixing the problem, you just kill the messenger.

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  35. Stupid... but by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A 16-year-old student has been charged with a misdemeanor for rigging a keystroke-recording device onto a teacher's computer.

    While what this kid did was stupid, the fact remains that he is, a kid. Based on the tone of the article, it seems that he is being charged as an adult. You may argue that he had full comprehension of his actions when he did it, but, if you want to charge him as an adult, then we should afford him all of the benefits of adulthood, including voting, but I digress.
    I was a total ass and thought I could get away with a lot when I was still in high school. I know that I was wrong, but it's not something I realized at the time. Think what would have happened to you if you were a) caught, and b) charged as an adult for the goofy things you did when you were in high school.

  36. Re:My rights online? WTF? by roju · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the typical jail sentence for stealing an exam key in a school? Hell, when was the last time someone got convicted for cheating during during a school test?

  37. I did this, and only got suspended! by nazgul000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in 1994 when I was a junior in high school, I installed keylogger software of my own design on several public terminals at my high school. Passwords piled up and soon I was exploring all sorts of interesting systems with administrative access. Not that I did anything illegal or even really immoral -- just poked around for the most part and read lots of boring email. I finally got caught when I tried to install an IRC server on the school's Internet-connected Unix box, which raised all sorts of red flags with the admin. I got suspended for a day. I can't help but think that, ten years later, the tenor of the times encourages far more zealous prosecution of similarly minor misdeeds.

  38. Last day of school, senior year... by JNighthawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, second to last for seniors and everyone else had a few more weeks. A week before, I had done my usual stuff at lunch, going to the library and looking thru the school's computers to see if I could find anything interesting, and boy, did I ever.

    I found payroll data on *every* employee of the school district, which, in itself, was a major screw up on the school's part. It wasn't hard to find this, either. I just went thru the list of computers in the school district's domain and checked what was public in interestingly-named computers. However, I found something much cooler later on... the school's web server.

    Not only did I find evidence of the web server being hacked (anti-Israel propoganda, various racist images), but I also found that the school's website's files were unprotected! Idiots. So I altered the announcements and put "Hi, from DJ Hirko" at the bottom, along with a picture of Nitz from Undergrads. I didn't get in trouble for it, not sure why.

    And just to make this even longer, let me regale you with the story of THE LOCAL ADMINISTRATOR PASSWORD (DUN DUN DUN). A friend of a friend had brute forced the local admin password, and since all the machines are the same ghosted image, he had the local admin password for every computer in the school. It slowly spread and eventually someone got caught using it. He ratted and it got back to my friend of a friend and they threatened him with expulsion and jail time. They eventually settled for a 5 day suspension, but it was still bullshit.

    Come graduation day, one of my friends brought bright green neon letters that spelled out the local admin password. He smuggled the letters inside the graduation and we taped them to our hats. We held our heads so that everyone behind us, including all the parents and media, could easily see what was on our hats. We also got a picture of us (with the letters on our hats) in the paper, but they didn't know what it was.

    So, Nashua School District, one word for you, upandn101.

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  39. Re:in high school... by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting
    My high school teacher refused to let me take the computer class because I knew far more about computers and programming than he did.

    I suppose it's for the best, I would have been bored and slacked off in the class anyway.

    As it was, I discovered how to get the computer to allocate me raw memory without zeroing it out first, so I would print off giant sections of raw data, take them home and look for login IDs and the strings that inevitably followed them. Got lots of regular logins and even a few admin logins that way.

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  40. Confessions of a former punk kid... by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I myself did some stupid mischeif in my day...

    When I was in Jr. High, my school got a grant or a donation or something, and ended up getting a computer in every classroom - a Mac (the iMac before the iMac... PPC 603-based all-in-one performa thingy)

    It was my joy at the time, to collect Mac viruses. I would infect a copy of TextEdit or something, put it on a disk, and then clean my system. I knew what most of these viruses did, due to the virus program detecting them...

    There was one in particular that was a piece of MDEF resource code, it made it so when you clicked a menu in any program, it would only pull-down like half the time, and when it did, the menu was blank -- you had to scroll your mouse over the items to make them show up. It was annoying, but most people just continued to use their system. It would spread to any other running apps, so it didn't take long for this to infect several computers on the campus. I never confessed to it, just quietly enjoyed making a bad week for the resident computer-dude.

    A friend and I also used a program called DisEase to circumvent At-Ease (Apple's old restricted launch environment) in the computer labs. Once breaking in, a copy of the "Finder" file was created, and altered with ResEdit to change its file type to an application. This way, when it was discovered that we were getting through the system by running nasty applications from our own media, and that feature was disabled, we were still able to open documents with the CREATOR attribute set to our finder-application, and viola, full access to the system. System 7 was fun.

    And who can forget my first programming experience: writing the following program and running it simultaniously on every Apple ][ system in the library, and leaving. Oh the poor librarian....

    10 FOR I = 1 TO 1000
    20 PRINT
    30 NEXT I
    40 PRINT "^G HACK THE PLANET!"
    50 GOTO 40

    It took a while for those slow computers to iterate 1000 times, which gave us time to make our get-away. Then they'd all go on infinte loop of childish messages accompanied by a system bell/beep.


    Never did much in High School, as I had no laptop to run a sniffer when the counselor telnetted into the scheduling system to change my classes. I had the knowledge, and the intent, but lacked the means. Oh what a senior prank that could have been! :-P

  41. Keylogging? Nah USB Drive by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My senior year of high school I had just gotten a flashy new 256mB USB drive. While it had it's nerd value and was greta for moviing files from my friends broadband to my 56k connected home. I had never had a real reason to love it. Then AP Physics came along...

    So I was sitting in my self study class while the teacher taught regular Physics. I asked a question and he reffered me to his computer. I'm thinking ok, there must be some sort of helpful software.

    He then preceded to open some folders and boom, a .pdf with all the answers to the chapter, and not just that full blown solutions. Never in my life have I cheated on a large scale such as this but...who wouldn't have? The PC was in the back room, and he had no way of seeing me. Within a week he became comfortable with me regularly using the PC for extended periods, which, after I recieved the files became a fun game time.

    He never found out, and I never did homework again. I looked for tests but they were all outdated. I did manage to find house and phone numbes of a class that graduated 2 years before me. Dunno why he had that one.

  42. Nice strawman. by xstonedogx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From TFA:
    Campus police referred the case to the Fort Bend County District Attorney's Office, which has charged the teen with breach of computer information, a Class B misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $2,000 and up to 180 days in jail.

    What's the difference between that and say, holding the teacher at gunpoint to get the answers? In both cases he's doing more than cheating on a test. He's committing a crime to cheat on the test. He's being charged with the crime, not cheating on a test.

    1. Re:Nice strawman. by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference with holding the teacher at gunpoint is that you're holding the teacher at gunpoint.

      The law distinguishes between violent and non-violent crime.

      The question is, what is the non-technological equivalent of what he's done, and what are the consequences for it?

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  43. jail by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    School years are around 180 days in the US... What an intresting coincidence that he could be put in jail for that ammount of time.

    Jail is a prison for the body, compulsory education a prison for the mind. Given a choice between the two, I'll take jail any day. The student was more then justified in his actions. Most schools have extensive monitoring of students including the use of security cameras, random "drug" searches, and varous other methods of privacy invasion(a friend of mine who was kicked out of HS for subverting network security showed me a web accessable section of the school lan...(this was the best funded public school in the state) they had a secret searchable database that contained a psychological profile of every student along with standard information: age, grades, ssn, address). If you dare attempt to transcend the passive role assigned to you; if you even look like your going to help other students learn about history (you must be an anarchaist), chemestry (you will be accused of making bombs and drugs) or computer science (you'r a hacker), you will be interogated or expelled. Public education is a system that imposes ignorance on those too young and therefore too curious and independent minded to be good workers. It breaks them down to either drug induced apathy, or complacent submission. If we are ever to have a population with some conception of how technology, society, and self function, we must destroy the high schools. A just, equitable, and sustainable society cannot be built when our fellow citizens are subject to the forced indoctronation of dogmatic bullshit like nationalism and religion. Both public and parocial high schools are amoung the most destructive forces facing creativity, intellectual development, and society itself.

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  44. How to avoid this - if you're truly paranoid by bLanark · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's one procedure you can use whenever you use a computer that might have been interfered with (in a lab, in an internet cafe, even in a dorm).

    This only works for GUIs, I'm afraid. It's important to use the *mouse* for cursor positioning, not the keyboard, as described below.

    The basic approach is this: When you type in a username and/or password, don't type the username and password straight in. Instead, swap betwen the two fields, don't enter the characters in order. You will have to position the cursor where appropriate. For example:
    Click on the password field, and enter the 4th letter of your password. Then click on the username field, and enter the last letter of the username. Then click at the front of the field and enter the second character. Then back to the password, and enter the first character. Etc etc. Even if you only do this for a few characters, it will help security immensely.

    At the end, the keystroke logger will have collected all the characters in your username, but any spy will have a nice anagram to reconstruct.

    The truly paranoid can add extra characters early in the process, and then overtype them later on. This is particularly useful if the selection is done by the mouse and not the keyboard - the spy wil have no chance of reconstructing the password if some of the captured kestrokes aren't even part of the final password.

    A simpler method is to stop typing the password partway through, click on another app (don't use alt-tab or another keyboard shortcut; the logger will capture this) and press a few keys, then return to the browser/whatever and complete the password.

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  45. Back in high school... by BigZaphod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There was a lab that I used to hang out in. Being one of the few geeks in the school, I pretty much had run of the place. The teacher who oversaw the lab encouraged creativity and ingenuity. Sometimes he'd get pissed with something I did, but in those cases I just fixed it and moved on. This kind of activity, over a year or so, ended up earning his trust as I would also fix the odd problems with windows/autocad and such that would crop up.

    Eventually I became the de-facto admin for that entire lab. During my required study period he would give me a pass to hang out in his lab--sometimes even when other classes were in there. Talk about heaven. I had the run of a computer lab that was networked. It was like being a king. :)

    Around my junior year or so, they replaced the computers in the lab (aging 386/486 era machines with DOS, mostly) with shiny new Pentiums running Windows. For a few months they were basically just open and normal Windows machines. I think they even had Internet access. This was, of course, a total disaster. The net was new, then. People didn't have it at home. They downloaded anything and everything. Porn, viruses, music, etc.

    The result was a *cough* admin *cough* who ended up being the room almost everyday for awhile. He would spend his time poking around in control panels and "fixing" the computers. Eventually be must have gotten sick of that because they hired a local consulting company to come in to secure them all. Pretty soon the whole place was all passworded up with all these layers of cheap third party locks, etc.

    I broke all of them--with full (unofficial) support of the teacher who taught in the room. They had tried to lock the systems down so much that half his programs wouldn't work right anymore. He had endless problems with students just trying to save their completed CAD drawings. I made a lot of those problems go away by circumventing the security, showing him how, and then giving him pointers to try to minimize the visibility of the hole so that other kids and the admin dude wouldn't find it. Not perfect, but it helped.

    After some time of this the teacher pulled me aside one day and tells me in a reasonably loud-so-that-others-near-by-can-hear voice that I need to be careful because Mr. Admin is getting pissed that someone keeps getting into his system and he's going to try for suspension of that person when he is caught. Of course nearly every one of his students knew it was me--but they weren't talking. I had helped them all out of jams at some point or other. So after doing the public speech, he later pulls me aside in private and says, "Hey, keep doing what you're doing. I'll make sure they don't do anything to you. Those bastards are making my life such a living hell and they won't listen to my needs that I've given up trying to deal with them. You at least make it possible for me to teach my classes."

    So of course after the next round of "security upgrades" I was once again on the job. Eventually I figured the way into the system and changed all the screen savers to be the marquee one and had it read, "Ha ha! I got in Mr. Security Guy!" Hoo boy did the shit hit the fan. I was shielded from it, but the teacher just loved it. The admin dude was pissed. The consulting guy was there almost everyday for like 2 weeks. My teacher would just smile and nod. Eventually they locked it down pretty heavily, but by this point I was a senior and I was graduating early and was out of there.

    Those were some good times. Seriously, though, I swear that in this day and age I'd be arrested for information terrorism or some such bullshit. Sure, I made life somewhat difficult for an admin or two, but they brought a lot of it on themselves. They had tried to lock the computers down so much so as to make them almost useless as a teaching tool. And of course Windows itself was so prone to holes, viruses, and other crap that it only made the problem worse. I sure did learn a lot, though. After all, isn't that what school is supposed to be for?

  46. Yeah, same here by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, very similar stories here... Got to "high school" aged 13 (weird school system where I grew up), and within a year a friend and I had admin accounts on the RM Nimbus (RMNet) Win3.1 network. Within another six months we were actually maintaining the network, (after we watched the "Head of IT" sit and stare at an autoexec.bat file for over half an hour, then solved the problem for him in thirty seconds from another terminal). Eventually we were just solving problems before the IT guy even noticed them (all, of course, unofficially - the Powers That Be would have had the screaming hairy ab-dabs at the thought of the access we had, and did, whenever they found out).

    Highlights included:

    • When they discovered two students insulting each other by e-mail (nothing stronger than "arsehole"), and decided to take e-mail away from everybody. That night I went home and wrote a simple (file-based) e-mail server in C, and a friend wrote a simple client in VB, the next day half the students secretly had "e-mail" again. They eventually relented and turned e-mail back on when they dicovered ten different people using our system during a single IT lesson (heh).
    • A one-page "school newsletter" that was written featuring the headline "Mr Brown Takes the Boys Hockey Team to Victory in the Inter-Schools Cup"... but printed out and distributed with the story "Mr Brown Takes the Boys Hockey Team in the Showers" (hey, we were all 14 - it was funny at the time). Amusing statistics from this incident:
      • Number of newsletters printed: 300
      • Hours between distribution and horrified emergency recall: 4
      • Number of newsletters successfully recalled: 14
    • When the Head of IT removed the admin (superuser) account a friend had been using to do essential network administration (that the HoIT didn't know to do!), so we removed admin privileges from the "admin" account for a day. It never, ever got mentioned... but funnily enough he stopped looking for unauthorised superusers after that.
    • And finally, the best of the lot:

      The Head of IT had a deal with RMNet (the Nimbus ISP that offered cheap rates to educational insitutions) - in return for cheap hosting, he had to look for and report any porn sites he could access so they could be added to the blacklist (still a bit suspicious about that...).

      Anyway, the Head of IT used to sit on the only machine with a modem (for hour or two every morning before school), surfing for porn/credit card/warez sites sites, recording the URLs and reporting them to RMNet. The only problem was... he'd never heard of a browser cache.

      We actually had friends who'd come in at lunchtime, copy the cache full of porn onto disk and sell it to the other kids for a couple of pounds a time.

      • Admin accounts on the school network: A small investment of time.
      • Occasionally getting caught with an admin account: A quick telling-off
      • Being regularly supplied with porn by the guy supposed to stop you seeing it, and making a tidy profit into the bargain: Priceless
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  47. Fun with At Ease by SpooForBrains · · Score: 2, Informative

    The students at the school I went to quickly worked out that At Ease could be circumvented simply by pressing the "Interrupt" key that Mac Classics had handily available on the side of the case. The teacher wrote in to MacUser and the solution they suggested was to "detach the keys" :).

    At least they had got a tad more of a clue than when I was there. I got banned from the computer room for locking a file (ie opening the properties box and clicking "locked"). They had to march me into the computer room and make me show them how to unlock it. It didn't help that my friend had recently renamed the hard drive to "This is shit" because all the games had been taken off.

    Oh, and I can't count how many times the head of computing used to have to go round renaming "Pubic Folder" ... fun times.

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  48. Re:in high school... by bird603568 · · Score: 2

    im sorry but im dsylexic and have Dysgraphia http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/dysgraphia/dysg raphia.htm

  49. Misleading summary about the GRE by benj_e · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article linked to is from 2002 and is about giving the GRE on paper in China and India. Sort of misleading in the summary. The GRE in the US is and will be given via computers.

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  50. Re: Happens so often the charge is ridiculous! by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but a fine and the threat of jail time isn't the answer.

    I disagree. People seem to think that commiting crimes on a computer is somehow "not as bad" as the normal physical crimes of theft, tresspassing, etc. People need to be taught at a young age that doing things like putting a keystroke logger on a teachers computer is a real crime and not just harmless fun.

    If that kid gets a job in an office and throws a keylogger on his bosses computer he will get into some real trouble and rightfully so. They need to learn early on that this kind of behaviour is unnacceptable.

    But this is slashdot so I expect a bunch of replys saying that it is not the kids fault but it is the schools fault for not securing their computers.

  51. Re:in high school... by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 2

    im sorry but im dsylexic and have Dysgraphia

    There is a spell checker extension that you can add to Firefox. It is downloadable from http://spellbound.sourceforge.net/ Seeing as how slashdot will never add an integrated spell checker it would be nice if more users would start using spellbound.

  52. Re:Fun with At Ease... and Foolproof by Creepy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    yep - programmer key (and then typing 'finder g') interupt got around it, as did an OS bootable zip drive hooked to the SCSI chain (cmd-opt-shift-esc) or pressing 'c' with an OS CD in the drive. On older macs, it was just command-esc or command-del to enter debug mode because there was no programmer key. I think early versions of At Ease could be bypassed by holding down the shift key at start or by using force quit (cmd-.), but those two workarounds didn't last for long.

    In college I faced a similar but a bit different of a problem - Foolproof and nightly restore from disk images. Our mac lab head and lead lab attendant were both very smart mac users (the lab lead wrote a very popular graphical game called MacTrek [not the text game], but was forced to destroy it and all copies and source when Paramount sued him and he lost) and pulled the programmer and reset keys off, though I found I could still hit either with a well aimed paperclip... but that didn't disable foolproof like it did At-Ease. At about that time, I discovered the magical command-option-shift-delete would boot to the next available drive, not the hard disk. With an OS installed mac image on a Zip disk, I was able to bypass and remove programs... At first, I just disabled the image restore program, but the sys-admins were savvy, and quickly discovered my transgression and reinstalled the software, wiping my game folder... I needed something more. They had discovered that I hacked in, but not how I had hacked in, so I continued with my deviant ways... With some playing around with folder flags, I found one that wouldn't allow the folder to be deleted by the restore software (mark as a system folder, I think). I also found the program wouldn't erase anything contained in this protected folder, though I don't know why - maybe they thought that since foolproof wouldn't let you open the system folder, there was no need to clean it up, maybe it was a flaw in the restore program - I never did find out.

    I installed a directory with games having no icon and the name " " (space). You couldn't see it unless you rectangle drag highlighted it, and needed to click the space to launch it, since I erased its icon mask to make it harder to see. I then shoved it in a place nobody would look - something under Utilities, but I forget. Later, when I was a bit more mac savvy myself, I wrote a little extension I called unfoolproof (not to be mistaken for the program by the same name) that would not load the foolproof extension if I held down the u key at boot (it was actually named something innocuous like ISO9660VolumeMount and didn't display an extension icon).

  53. Re: Happens so often the charge is ridiculous! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I disagree. People seem to think that commiting crimes on a computer is somehow "not as bad" as the normal physical crimes of theft, tresspassing, etc. People need to be taught at a young age that doing things like putting a keystroke logger on a teachers computer is a real crime and not just harmless fun.

    Excuse me? I'll agree that computer crimes aren't "harmless fun", but do you actually think any computer crime is as serious as assault, rape, or murder? If you do, you have some seriously screwed-up values. Trespassing, at least in a private home, is up there too. I'll happily shoot dead anyone that breaks in my house, but I'd never advocate death for any computer crime (except maybe something extremely large-scale, but I doubt it).

    How about a hypothetical question: if you had a choice of living in two societies, one where violent crime is commonplace, but computer crime is nonexistent, or another where computer crime is rampant, but violent crime is nonexistent, which would you choose? I'll happily choose the latter. At least my life isn't at risk, and I can always exercise caution and use appropriate security measures to avoid being the victim of a computer crime.

    But this is slashdot so I expect a bunch of replys saying that it is not the kids fault but it is the schools fault for not securing their computers.

    A criminal is always liable for his crime, but that doesn't excuse not taking measures to avoid being the victim of the crime in the first place. Do you leave your doors unlocked? Do you leave valuables inside your car, with the doors unlocked, and a sign outside saying "please don't steal the valuables inside this unlocked vehicle"? You can whine and point fingers all you want after becoming a victim, but you're still a victim. I'd rather avoid that.