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The 83-Year-Old Dead File Swapper

93,000 writes "Gertrude Walton, a deceased eighty-three-year-old woman, was named as the only defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by a group of record companies. They claimed Walton made more than 700 pop, rock and rap songs available for free on the Internet under the screen name 'smittenedkitten.' Needless to say, the suit has since been dropped."

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  1. From TFA by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Walton could not be reached for comment."

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    1. Re:From TFA by zoloto · · Score: 4, Funny

      They realised the lawsuit was dead long before she was.

      At least the RIAA is better than a lawyer, here's the age old joke.

      What's the difference between a hooker and a lawyer?
      The hooker stops after your dead.

    2. Re:From TFA by Arhat · · Score: 5, Funny

      The lead attorney for the RIAA's legal team had the following comment: "I sue dead people."

    3. Re:From TFA by FLEB · · Score: 5, Funny

      A trademark violation lawsuit was immediately filed by an MPAA representative observing the case.

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  2. They dropped the case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, the RIAA is getting soft.

    1. Re:They dropped the case? by glenebob · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can't have order in the court when you've got such an odor in the court. The defense rests.

    2. Re:They dropped the case? by Peldor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, the defense rests in peace.

  3. Well that's by CodeHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    one way to keep from getting sued for swapping mp3s.

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    1. Re:Well that's by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Computers don't swap files.

      Dead people do.

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  4. Gertrude Walton has been up to a lot of things by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    She's also reported to have voted in the last presidential election in OH.

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    1. Re:Gertrude Walton has been up to a lot of things by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man am I ever glad you posted. It's a good thing to know that the JOKE MONITOR is on the job! Otherwise, I might have erroneously chuckled at a joke which obviously DOES NOT CONTAIN THE PROPER AMOUNT OF ACCURACY.

      Thanks! You've saved us all!

  5. Let that be a lesson to you, by scrame · · Score: 5, Funny

    file trading kills.

    1. Re:Let that be a lesson to you, by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, I never thought of it that way. 100% of all file swappers die. That's just as many deaths as people who smoke. That's a scary statistic!

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  6. let it go to court! by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    From the article: Chianumba said she faxed a copy of her mother's death certificate to record company officials several days before the lawsuit was filed. She said she did that in response to a letter from the company regarding the upcoming legal filing.

    She should have let the whole thing go to court. It would make the RIAA look far sillier when a computer illiterate dead woman's name is cleared in front of a judge rather than before hand.

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    1. Re:let it go to court! by renehollan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      She should have let the whole thing go to court. It would make the RIAA look far sillier when a computer illiterate dead woman's name is cleared in front of a judge rather than before hand.

      IANAL (Surprise, surprise, surprise!), but I'd think the judge would be rather upset if one of the parties could have taken simple, reasonable, steps, that would have a good chance of the suit being dropped before hogging the court's time. Faxing a death certificate looks like a simple, reasonable, step. (Personally, I'dve sent a notarized copy by registered mail as well).

      Armed with that evidence, the defense would probably have a good chance at having the case dropped with prejudice by a pissed off judge if the plaintiff decided to pursue it anyway.

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    2. Re:let it go to court! by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 5, Funny

      A week after my mother died she recieved jury duty notificaiton. I called the courthouse and tried to explain. I was told I had to come in within the next two working days to get paperwork from three different offices. I told her, "No, thanks."

      She was like, "You have to, its the law. Otherwise she won't be excused from jury duty. Make sure you get this finished within two days, and you better call ahead to find out what documents you need to bring with you."

      I stated that I had in fact done them a favor, but it wasn't my problem, it was their problem.

      She sputtered. "But you have to. You can't expect your mother to fill out her own paperwork to excuse herself from jury duty, she's dead! Someone has to do this!"

      I agreed that someone had to do something, but it wasn't my concern. She was still sputtering self-importantly when I said goodbye and hung up.

  7. Wow, just wow... by MattyCobb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shouldn't they be held liable (for more than just court fees) for wasting our justice system's already limited time with junk like this? After all, this isn't the first time something like this has happened :/

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  8. Re:Cause of death? by hsmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    'accidental'

    let this be a lesson to all!

  9. What's more disturbing? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny
    That they are trying to sue a dead person, or an 83 year old woman called herself "smittenedkitten"?

    *shudder* The horror... the horror...

    I guess she was "smittened" with something terminal.

    Ha hee heh hee... computers... terminal... I crack me up. :-)

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    1. Re:What's more disturbing? by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > That they are trying to sue a dead person, or an 83 year old woman called herself "smittenedkitten"?
      >*shudder* The horror... the horror...
      >I guess she was "smittened" with something terminal.
      >Ha hee heh hee... computers... terminal... I crack me up. :-)

      "Every time you share an MP3, [RIAA chairman] Mitch Bainwol kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens."

      (You want disturbing? I almost typed "Hilary Rosen". My head asplode, my Fark account surrenders, and after a Hilary Rosen dead kitten joke, you really don't want to think about what your dog wants.)

  10. the "it wasn't me" defense by BaldGhoti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since she (obviously) didn't offer those files for download, and since this isn't the first such case of mistaken identity in these matters, doesn't this negatively affect the RIAA's potential success in future lawsuits?

    Of course, I don't think anyone's been convicted of anything yet--people have only settled out of court, right?

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  11. Why "needless to say"? by redelm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It is perfectly possible to sue the estate of a dead person for torts they committed while alive. A bit tougher if the estate has passed probate, but there are also limitations (typ 2 yrs) on any tort claim.

  12. smittenedkitten by clem · · Score: 5, Funny
    Bet this new information has left certain folks out there feeling a little queasy after having taken up smittenedkitten's requests to cyber.
    sirL@nc3@lot> Ok, got the knitting needles. What do u want me to do now?
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  13. Smittenedkitten is dead?!? by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

    WTF? She told me she was 18, blonde, slender and hot!

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  14. Good for Gertrude by seniorcoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I personally lament Gertrude's passing away. What a great memorial. Just prior to death, put a file server away in a hidden closet in a house with many years of ISP paid for in advance. Serve up those files with no possible recourse from RIAA and other leeches. Maybe a foundation could be started such that the file repository is transferred from near-death person to near-death person. As the slow wheels of the RIAA start legal proceedings, the person becomes beyond even their reach. Not so much the "make a wish" foundation as the "make a statement" foundation.

  15. Shocking. by InvalidError · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA/MPAA/etc. have been making fortunes off dead people's backs for decades, it would be a logical next step to eventually extend this to dead customers.

  16. Frivolous lawsuits are destroying America! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Oh, wait this was a corp suing a citizen, not the other way around.

    carry on...

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  17. Re:Cause of death? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Her officially recorded cause of death is available on Kazaa

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  18. Re:Sigh. by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's the point indeed.

    Despite what the ravenous morons on this site will now scream, the RIAA was collecting information and planning BEFORE she died. They just happened to file the lawsuit AFTER she died. They got the wrong person, yes, but it's only coincidence that she happened to be dead by the time they actually filed the suit.

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  19. Re:Just proves.... by Xyrus · · Score: 4, Funny

    P2P is the killer app!

    ~X~

    *bang* flop.

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  20. Be careful with those lawyer jokes by clausiam · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Be careful with those lawyer jokes by zoloto · · Score: 4, Funny

      truely great indeed. I hope whoever had those two arrested and any involved in their unfortunate incarceration get fined and arrested as well.

  21. Re:Stupid story by jxyama · · Score: 4, Insightful
    indications are that she was not violating copyright.

    if she was alive, she probably would have had to settle (i.e. pay RIAA money) because if she's like most people, she wouldn't be able to afford to go to the court simply to defend herself.

  22. Re:Cause of death? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bullet wound to the back of the head while her hands were tied behind her back. The body was first discovered by RIAA lawyers, and the death was ruled a suicide.

  23. Remember kids by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you download MP3s, you're downloading rigor mortis.

  24. It wouldn't have been thrown out by donutello · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was a civil, not a criminal case. In the event that the RIAA had won the case, any judgement would have been awarded against the defendants estate. You don't need to be alive to be sued in civil court.

    The RIAA didn't need to drop the case just because the defendant was dead.

    However, this was mostly a PR case. The lawsuite was not filed with the purpose of recovering damages. The real reason they filed the case was as a PR suit to make an example of the person and with the person being dead, the only PR results would have been to make them look like bigger scum than they already do. That's why they withdrew the case.

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  25. Well, one thing's for sure... by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Funny

    She won't be trying THAT again!

    Remember: Every time you share a song, a kitten dies...

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    1. Re:Well, one thing's for sure... by max8061 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Remember: Every time you share a song, a kitten dies..."

      Don't you mean that every time you share a song, a 'smittenedkitten' dies?
  26. Re:Nice Slippery Slope Strategy by zenyu · · Score: 5, Informative

    There *is* a legal transgression that is taking place daily and it is impacting the industry in an enormous way. The courts have sided almost exclusively with the consumer (thankfully we haven't started to lose that many civil rights yet), and the RIAA has only one course of action left open to it: lawsuits.

    Look EMI sent my ISP a nastygram that resulted in my losing internet service for a week. I work from home so this was a real hardship. I had never heard of the bands listed, the IP address listed wasn't even being used at the time, and I've never downloaded a song at home*. Music just doesn't matter much to me.

    *I downloaded a public domain performance of a public domain song from Napster when they first started at work just to show my boss how cool the technology was.

    Now lets look at losses: about $1000 for me, about $300 in customer acquisition costs for the ISP I dumped for not informing me of the letter they got before cutting off service. For EMI, $1. They obviously just did some brain dead port scan and hired someone not capable of cut and paste to write the nastygram.

    This is a case that never went past the nasty-gram stage, just immagine the legal transgressions they are committing on the scale of our economy... I will gladly join a class action against them when it comes. They are impacting the nation in an enormous way. There is only one course of action left open to freedom loving Americans: lawsuits.

    As I understand it though, the RIAA has constructed a "repent" clause in to all of their suits which gives you a get-out-of-jail free card in return for a signed promise of non-recidivism.

    The innocent are the most impacted by this type of "repent" clause, it reminds me of our broken criminal "justice" system. Punish the innocent, pardon the guilty. It's just not right.

  27. What’s the problem? by nasor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although the article says that this woman was computer illiterate and "objected to having computers," it never actually says that there wasn't a computer in her house. It's curious that although the article spends a lot of time talking about how she didn't like/know about them, it never explicitly states that she didn't have one in the house. It also states that she had family members living with her, and that she has 24 grandchildren and 23 great-grandchildren. Odds are that one of them were using her internet account for file-sharing, so she was busted for it. The fact that they filed the suit even though they had already received a copy of the death certificate can be attributed to the ordinary bureaucratic mix-ups that happen routinely in large offices, and shouldn't surprise anyone who has ever worked for a company with more than ten employees.

    I don't see the point of this being on slashdot.