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The 83-Year-Old Dead File Swapper

93,000 writes "Gertrude Walton, a deceased eighty-three-year-old woman, was named as the only defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by a group of record companies. They claimed Walton made more than 700 pop, rock and rap songs available for free on the Internet under the screen name 'smittenedkitten.' Needless to say, the suit has since been dropped."

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  1. From TFA by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Walton could not be reached for comment."

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    1. Re:From TFA by zoloto · · Score: 4, Funny

      They realised the lawsuit was dead long before she was.

      At least the RIAA is better than a lawyer, here's the age old joke.

      What's the difference between a hooker and a lawyer?
      The hooker stops after your dead.

    2. Re:From TFA by Arhat · · Score: 5, Funny

      The lead attorney for the RIAA's legal team had the following comment: "I sue dead people."

    3. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hookers stop after *MY* dead? Hmm.. that doesn't make sense... oh wait a minute! I see what's happened here...

      You didn't know that "your" != "you're".

    4. Re:From TFA by FLEB · · Score: 5, Funny

      A trademark violation lawsuit was immediately filed by an MPAA representative observing the case.

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  2. They dropped the case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, the RIAA is getting soft.

    1. Re:They dropped the case? by glenebob · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can't have order in the court when you've got such an odor in the court. The defense rests.

    2. Re:They dropped the case? by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man, the RIAA is getting soft.

      Because the woman was too hard. ;-)

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    3. Re:They dropped the case? by Peldor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, the defense rests in peace.

  3. Well that's by CodeHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    one way to keep from getting sued for swapping mp3s.

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    1. Re:Well that's by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Computers don't swap files.

      Dead people do.

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  4. Gertrude Walton has been up to a lot of things by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    She's also reported to have voted in the last presidential election in OH.

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    1. Re:Gertrude Walton has been up to a lot of things by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 2, Funny
      Sorry, I think you meant "And in Wisconsin"

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    2. Re:Gertrude Walton has been up to a lot of things by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man am I ever glad you posted. It's a good thing to know that the JOKE MONITOR is on the job! Otherwise, I might have erroneously chuckled at a joke which obviously DOES NOT CONTAIN THE PROPER AMOUNT OF ACCURACY.

      Thanks! You've saved us all!

  5. Let that be a lesson to you, by scrame · · Score: 5, Funny

    file trading kills.

    1. Re:Let that be a lesson to you, by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, I never thought of it that way. 100% of all file swappers die. That's just as many deaths as people who smoke. That's a scary statistic!

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  6. Cause of death? by Bongoots · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does anyone know what the officially recorded cause of death was?

    1. Re:Cause of death? by hsmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      'accidental'

      let this be a lesson to all!

    2. Re:Cause of death? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Her officially recorded cause of death is available on Kazaa

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    3. Re:Cause of death? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bullet wound to the back of the head while her hands were tied behind her back. The body was first discovered by RIAA lawyers, and the death was ruled a suicide.

    4. Re:Cause of death? by Arcturax · · Score: 3, Funny

      She fell down a turbolift shaft and landed on some phasers.

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  7. let it go to court! by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    From the article: Chianumba said she faxed a copy of her mother's death certificate to record company officials several days before the lawsuit was filed. She said she did that in response to a letter from the company regarding the upcoming legal filing.

    She should have let the whole thing go to court. It would make the RIAA look far sillier when a computer illiterate dead woman's name is cleared in front of a judge rather than before hand.

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    1. Re:let it go to court! by dAzED1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah, because when my mom dies, the very most important thing for me at that point will be to make the RIAA look silly. I'll want to actually show up in court with the bother and hassle that involves, show the judge the document, and get my kicks out of my mom's death. Yeah. That's what I'd do.[/sarcasm]

    2. Re:let it go to court! by renehollan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      She should have let the whole thing go to court. It would make the RIAA look far sillier when a computer illiterate dead woman's name is cleared in front of a judge rather than before hand.

      IANAL (Surprise, surprise, surprise!), but I'd think the judge would be rather upset if one of the parties could have taken simple, reasonable, steps, that would have a good chance of the suit being dropped before hogging the court's time. Faxing a death certificate looks like a simple, reasonable, step. (Personally, I'dve sent a notarized copy by registered mail as well).

      Armed with that evidence, the defense would probably have a good chance at having the case dropped with prejudice by a pissed off judge if the plaintiff decided to pursue it anyway.

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    3. Re:let it go to court! by sfjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Faxing a death certificate looks like a simple, reasonable, step.

      Although corporations own nearly every facet of American life, we are still free to ignore correspondence from them. Subpeonas are still necessary to compel a response.

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    4. Re:let it go to court! by Gonarat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My guess is she was probably responsible for taking care her Mom's estate. Not responding to the RIAA would just make things more difficult. She would have to make sure the Estate was represented in court. Worse case scenario, they sue the Estate and end up taking everything (if she had anything left) that should have gone to her family.

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    5. Re:let it go to court! by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 5, Funny

      A week after my mother died she recieved jury duty notificaiton. I called the courthouse and tried to explain. I was told I had to come in within the next two working days to get paperwork from three different offices. I told her, "No, thanks."

      She was like, "You have to, its the law. Otherwise she won't be excused from jury duty. Make sure you get this finished within two days, and you better call ahead to find out what documents you need to bring with you."

      I stated that I had in fact done them a favor, but it wasn't my problem, it was their problem.

      She sputtered. "But you have to. You can't expect your mother to fill out her own paperwork to excuse herself from jury duty, she's dead! Someone has to do this!"

      I agreed that someone had to do something, but it wasn't my concern. She was still sputtering self-importantly when I said goodbye and hung up.

    6. Re:let it go to court! by renehollan · · Score: 2, Informative
      It was a relative of one of the parties who took that step; she was under no obligation to be involved in the suit in any way; the only argument that could be made otherwise is if she was the executor of her mother's estate, and had not yet signed off.

      I had assumed that she was the executor of the estate, otherwise, you (and other posters) are correct in that there was no compelling reason for her to respond.

      As for not having to respond, without a summons, this is likely true, but I still think that a judge would not look favorably on a defendent that could have taken simple steps to try to make a suit "go away".

      Yes, the plaintif has to go through due process, and would have found out that the defendent was deceased when attempting service. But, having done so, might be motivated to sue the estate upon seeing a non-cooperative defendent. (If they didn't tell us she was dead, what else are they hiding?) Discovery could be a real burden on the estate, not to mention holding up probate.

      If the plaintif was out to make an example, and strike fear into would-be "pirates", any legal excuse to burden the defense, even if the case had no merit, could be used to show that they play "hardball" with "zero tolerance" for "pirates" and those that "do not cooperate". The idea is not necessarily to go to trial, but to get the defense to cry "Uncle!" and settle. Remember, settlement for the plaintif in a case without merit is as much of a victory as one at trial, if not more so.

      I'd think that a call for summary dismissal on the part of the defense would be far easier if they could show no grounds for the plaintif's burdensome discovery phase. I suppose one could try to play hardball with the **AA on principle, but they're bigger and meaner than most. Would it not be better to play the part of cooperative, innocent victim to earn the sympathy of the judge? Espescially if it was not burdensome to do so?

      Remember, the plaintif wants a settlement, and the defense wants the suit dropped or dismissed (preferably with prejudice). Anything the defense can do to improve their odds strikes me as a good strategy.

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    7. Re:let it go to court! by Gonarat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I'm being serious. If she had any estate of any value, even just a house worth say $50,000 - $100,000 - a claim can be made against the estate. There is a period of time after the death that any claims can be made (usually medical bills, etc.). Once that time period has past, the no claims can be made. That's why lawyers often get involved with Estates, especially if the person that died was well off (and a paid-off house, even if it is of modest value, is worth protecting).

      Once the claim is made, the Estate can not be settled until it is settled, even if it takes several years. IMHO, her Daughter was wise respond to the RIAA, otherwise things could end up getting ugly.

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    8. Re:let it go to court! by renehollan · · Score: 3, Informative
      You don't inherit lawsuits

      Actually, you do.

      Civil suits against deceased persons can easily be refiled against their estates, and if the suit is sucessfull, there is now a claim against the estate. Guess what, you just inherited a loss against your inheritance (though it can't exceed it).

      Further more, while the executor does not inherit the suit, they have a fiducary duty to the estate to handle it when the estate is served. This can be a real problem because if the executor does not handle it "properly" (i.e. gives up and settles without a fight), the beneficaries can have a good case for suing the executor. It can turn into a real "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of problem for the executor: spend too much of the estates assets in defense and get sued. Spend too little, and lose the case, and get sued. Furthermore the will may limit the executor's freedoms in responding (though this can be a blessing for the executor as they can't be held liable for performance of duty if they are restrained from performing said duty).

      It should have been obvious when mentioning defendents that I was referring to all present (deceased) and possible future defendents (the estate) in this case.

      The bottom line is that judges do not like to see their courts clogged with frivolous cases because some now-present defendent blew off a plaintif. Due process is slow, and while necessary to protect everyone's rights, takes up the court's time (well the time of court clerks until a case comes to trial). Most reasonable people try to stave off likely problems they see on the horizon. I can not see the court looking disfavourably at a defendent that took steps to try to avert a trial for a case without merit.

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  8. Wow, just wow... by MattyCobb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shouldn't they be held liable (for more than just court fees) for wasting our justice system's already limited time with junk like this? After all, this isn't the first time something like this has happened :/

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    1. Re:Wow, just wow... by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was a nice demonstration of the many different parts of speech that "fuck" can assume (made all the more impressive by the AC tag), but to say that tort reform only screws the little guy is simplistic at best.

      When you sue a company pro se for a piddling amount in small claims court only to have that company turn around and sue you for a much larger amount in retribution, knowing full well you can't afford to defend against the action and knowing it will force you to drop the original suit, you might think differently. Don't forget that corporations have the same right to petition the government for redress of grievances, and they're generally a lot better at it than the average Joe. There's all kinds of games to be played with the legal system, and under the current system if you already have a legal staff on your payroll, it can become trivially easy to force a plaintiff of limited means to back down simply by burying them in paperwork, sometimes to the point of forcing them into bankruptcy even if they win the case.

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  9. I wonder... by |>>? · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if there is now a way that this can be used to stop these kinds of lawsuits althogether, in that it shows that the whole concept of going after file swappers in this way is bogus.

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  10. Just proves.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    that file swapping is a grave matter.

    1. Re:Just proves.... by Xyrus · · Score: 4, Funny

      P2P is the killer app!

      ~X~

      *bang* flop.

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  11. What's more disturbing? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny
    That they are trying to sue a dead person, or an 83 year old woman called herself "smittenedkitten"?

    *shudder* The horror... the horror...

    I guess she was "smittened" with something terminal.

    Ha hee heh hee... computers... terminal... I crack me up. :-)

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    1. Re:What's more disturbing? by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > That they are trying to sue a dead person, or an 83 year old woman called herself "smittenedkitten"?
      >*shudder* The horror... the horror...
      >I guess she was "smittened" with something terminal.
      >Ha hee heh hee... computers... terminal... I crack me up. :-)

      "Every time you share an MP3, [RIAA chairman] Mitch Bainwol kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens."

      (You want disturbing? I almost typed "Hilary Rosen". My head asplode, my Fark account surrenders, and after a Hilary Rosen dead kitten joke, you really don't want to think about what your dog wants.)

  12. the "it wasn't me" defense by BaldGhoti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since she (obviously) didn't offer those files for download, and since this isn't the first such case of mistaken identity in these matters, doesn't this negatively affect the RIAA's potential success in future lawsuits?

    Of course, I don't think anyone's been convicted of anything yet--people have only settled out of court, right?

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    1. Re:the "it wasn't me" defense by ari_j · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think anyone's been convicted of anything yet--people have only settled out of court, right?

      You're confusing civil and criminal law. This was a civil case. Criminal cases have convictions and acquittals. Civil cases have judgments for either the plaintiff or defendant.

      In reality, this has done nothing to militate against the RIAA's potential success in future lawsuits. This is actually the equivalent of settling out of court, albeit very early on in the process and with no money paid by the defendant.

  13. Yeah, really! by MissTuxie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bah, she probably just faked her death to escape freaking **AA. I know I would.

  14. Tin Foil? by phaetonic · · Score: 3, Funny

    This proves what I've been saying for months. RIAA will kill you if you share more than 700 songs on a P2P application.

  15. Why "needless to say"? by redelm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It is perfectly possible to sue the estate of a dead person for torts they committed while alive. A bit tougher if the estate has passed probate, but there are also limitations (typ 2 yrs) on any tort claim.

  16. Are you Joking!!!! by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did they say she was deceased before the file sharing occured or *after*? Man, I might want to think about settling if the RIAA is gonna send assassins after me for sharing.

  17. TFA text, site getting slow. by NetNifty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gertrude Walton of Fayette County hated computers, her daughter said.

    That did not stop the recording industry from accusing the now deceased 83-year-old Mount Hope woman of illegally trading music over the Internet.

    More than a month after Walton was buried in Beckley, a group of record companies named her as the only defendant in a federal lawsuit. They claimed Walton made more than 700 pop, rock and rap songs available for free on the Internet under the screen name "smittenedkitten."
    - advertisement-

    On Thursday, a spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America acknowledged that Walton was probably not the smittenedkitten it is searching for.

    "Our evidence gathering and our subsequent legal actions all were initiated weeks and even months ago," said RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy. "We will now, of course, obviously dismiss this case."

    Walton's daughter, Robin Chianumba, lived with her mother for the last 17 years of her life and said her mother objected to having a computer in the house. Chianumba said she didn't know anything about the record company's claims. And she said she does not know anything about the screen name.

    "My mother was computer illiterate. She hated a computer," Chianumba said. "My mother wouldn't know how to turn on a computer."

    The case demonstrates the imperfections of the record industry's two-year old effort to hunt down and sue people who put hundreds, even thousands, of copyrighted songs onto file-sharing networks on the Internet.

    The industry tracks down file-swappers using the Internet Protocol addresses attached to their relatively anonymous screen names.

    The IP addresses are useful because they identify computers on the Internet. But investigators cannot use the numeric codes to figure out who is using a particular computer. Often, they can only use the IP address to learn who is getting billed for the computer's Internet service.

    In more than a handful of cases, the record industry has sued a person for file-swapping, then later learned that they were really after the defendant's child or grandchild.

    Chianumba said she faxed a copy of her mother's death certificate to record company officials several days before the lawsuit was filed. She said she did that in response to a letter from the company regarding the upcoming legal filing.

    "I believe that if music companies are going to set examples they need to do it to appropriate people and not dead people," Chianumba said. "I am pretty sure she is not going to leave Greenwood Memorial Park [where she is buried] to attend the hearing. I don't know if this is a scheme to get money, I just don't know what's going on. I am concerned."
    - advertisement-

    When Walton died on Dec. 11 after a long illness, she was survived by eight children, 24 grandchildren and 23 great-grandchildren, according to her obituary.

    Could smittenedkitten be one of them? The RIAA declined to say.

    To contact staff writer Toby Coleman, use e-mail or call 348-5156.

  18. smittenedkitten by clem · · Score: 5, Funny
    Bet this new information has left certain folks out there feeling a little queasy after having taken up smittenedkitten's requests to cyber.
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  19. Smittenedkitten is dead?!? by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

    WTF? She told me she was 18, blonde, slender and hot!

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    1. Re:Smittenedkitten is dead?!? by jxyama · · Score: 2, Funny
      >That should have been a dead givaway...

      literally!

    2. Re:Smittenedkitten is dead?!? by Xeriar · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least now you know she really was a woman.

  20. Good for Gertrude by seniorcoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I personally lament Gertrude's passing away. What a great memorial. Just prior to death, put a file server away in a hidden closet in a house with many years of ISP paid for in advance. Serve up those files with no possible recourse from RIAA and other leeches. Maybe a foundation could be started such that the file repository is transferred from near-death person to near-death person. As the slow wheels of the RIAA start legal proceedings, the person becomes beyond even their reach. Not so much the "make a wish" foundation as the "make a statement" foundation.

    1. Re:Good for Gertrude by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bad bad bad bad bad idea. This civil lawsuit was dropped by the RIAA of their own free will, and could have proceeded against the estate of the deceased regardless of her livelihood. They dropped it as a PR matter and because an 83-year-old obviously almost certainly didn't share 700 mp3s on the Internet. Had they wanted to and had they the proof to do it, the RIAA could have pursued the matter against old Gerdy's estate. What you are suggesting would make your heirs one very poor lot of people.

    2. Re:Good for Gertrude by Random832 · · Score: 2

      So leave it to someone you hate

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  21. Shocking. by InvalidError · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA/MPAA/etc. have been making fortunes off dead people's backs for decades, it would be a logical next step to eventually extend this to dead customers.

  22. Frivolous lawsuits are destroying America! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Oh, wait this was a corp suing a citizen, not the other way around.

    carry on...

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  23. This is Total BS! I hope Bush will fix this! by ellem · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just because some old lady died they're not going to sue her anymore?

    This needs legislation!

    Just because you die doesn't mean that you shouldn't be sued!

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  24. Re:Sigh. by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's the point indeed.

    Despite what the ravenous morons on this site will now scream, the RIAA was collecting information and planning BEFORE she died. They just happened to file the lawsuit AFTER she died. They got the wrong person, yes, but it's only coincidence that she happened to be dead by the time they actually filed the suit.

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  25. The RIAA's legal counsel by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm not sure if Jenner & Block is the only firm the RIAA uses, but they are already drawing increasing flak from some people in the ALA (American Library Association) for potential conflicts of interest, as the ALA uses Jenner & Block as well.

    One wonders how a big, powerful law firm staffed with smart people could have made such an enormous blunder, if in fact Jenner & Block was the firm doing the work on this.

    I'd be interested to find out how many lawyers the RIAA employs and/or keeps on retainer.

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  26. Be careful with those lawyer jokes by clausiam · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Be careful with those lawyer jokes by zoloto · · Score: 4, Funny

      truely great indeed. I hope whoever had those two arrested and any involved in their unfortunate incarceration get fined and arrested as well.

  27. However by paranode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The whole legal strategy of the RIAA is to settle out of court and that's harder to do with a dead person. They know full well taking it to trial would not be in their best interests.

  28. Re:Stupid story by jxyama · · Score: 4, Insightful
    indications are that she was not violating copyright.

    if she was alive, she probably would have had to settle (i.e. pay RIAA money) because if she's like most people, she wouldn't be able to afford to go to the court simply to defend herself.

  29. Re:Sigh. by nkh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They got the wrong person, yes, but it's only coincidence that she happened to be dead by the time they actually filed the suit.

    But it was not a coincidence that she was the wrong person (actually they knew she was dead because the death certificate was sent to record officials before the suit was filed, they are even more ridiculous).

  30. Remember kids by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you download MP3s, you're downloading rigor mortis.

  31. Old P2Per mind trick! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    On Thursday, a spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America acknowledged that Walton was probably not the smittenedkitten it is searching for.

    Weak-minded fool!

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  32. See children, stealing music can KILL YOU DEAD by netsavior · · Score: 2, Funny

    great I can just hear the RIAA ad now.

  33. It wouldn't have been thrown out by donutello · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was a civil, not a criminal case. In the event that the RIAA had won the case, any judgement would have been awarded against the defendants estate. You don't need to be alive to be sued in civil court.

    The RIAA didn't need to drop the case just because the defendant was dead.

    However, this was mostly a PR case. The lawsuite was not filed with the purpose of recovering damages. The real reason they filed the case was as a PR suit to make an example of the person and with the person being dead, the only PR results would have been to make them look like bigger scum than they already do. That's why they withdrew the case.

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    1. Re:It wouldn't have been thrown out by PriceIke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ALL of the RIAA's lawsuits are PR cases. What, you think they need the money? It's all a bogus dog and pony show designed to impose guilt and fear on those who enjoy music and aren't slaves to the RIAA's (exploitative) distribution channels.

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  34. Well they don't keep musicians on retainer. by crovira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They exist for only ONE purpose. To keep the RIAA around.

    Long dead musicians or fools who signed their rights away are the RIAA's stoc in thare.

    Anything 'new' is hyped, churned, produced in such a way as to bankrupt he musician (see/hear Wall*Mart,) and put into the remainder bin.

    That's why you have Golden Oldies stations.

    It ain't good music. Its merely the most profitable.

    The RIAA is to music what a Mortician is to a beauty parlor.

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  35. Well, one thing's for sure... by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Funny

    She won't be trying THAT again!

    Remember: Every time you share a song, a kitten dies...

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    1. Re:Well, one thing's for sure... by max8061 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Remember: Every time you share a song, a kitten dies..."

      Don't you mean that every time you share a song, a 'smittenedkitten' dies?
  36. Re:Could be... by eric76 · · Score: 2, Funny

    They can bury me in a pine box for all I care.

    Instead of a tombstone, I think that a life-size statue of myself sitting on a horse with a sword in my hand would be cool.

    Facing forward on the horse would be a plus.

  37. Re:Nice Slippery Slope Strategy by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love this effort to discredit all file-sharing suits by pointing out the few that are off-target.

    Well, yeah. The RIAA is trying to track down anonymous people against whom they have a legitimate beef, but just because they have valid complaints doesn't mean they have a valid complaint against you.

    Lawsuits are extremely disruptive, and it's vitally important that the RIAA know who it's suing. If I were to be sued by the RIAA, I have the choice of a lengthy defense (expensive in both my time and money for a lawyer, with no guarantee that I'll get it back when I win), or settling.

    This is not an ordinary accident. They didn't just send out a mistaken cease-and-desist letter. They filed a lawsuit, and had she been alive to get it, the very next thing she'd have had to do is spend a few hundred dollars on a lawyer. The RIAA may be able to file lawsuits out of petty cash, but real people don't have lawyers on retainer, or a staff of people to handle suits.

    When you're filing lawsuits against people and you haven't bothered to verify who they are, it says to me that you have an awful lot of money and you don't care who you hurt in the process. Morally, I have to weigh the incidental damage you're causing against the legitimate harm done to you, and in this case I find the RIAA very wanting.

    Note that I'm not one of those "socialist free information" types. I support copyrights and even patents. The RIAA must not simply have a legitimate case: they have to have THE legitimate case. If they're just hoping to cow people into settling to make a buck, they're less sinned against than sinning.

    Incidents like this suggest that they are doing precisely that. I agree that they have a valid case, but they're losing the moral high ground rapidly.

  38. Re:They don't know who they are even suing by jasen666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, and it makes me wonder, how many of these damn lawsuits are even the right people? How can we trust they're not just suing anyone without even going through proper investigative procedure to see if their data is accurate?
    I get the feeling they don't care. Just grab an IP off the log and sue it. Who cares if it's the actual file sharer or not, we deserve compensation.

  39. Well, yes, I would want to be remembered that way. by Crag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article seems to indicate that this woman had no knowledge of how her computer was used. HOWEVER, I support the idea of posthumously trading files as a statement.

    First, what's the statement?

    * file traders don't profit from their trading
    * the agencies pursuing traders do so with no concern for their customers
    * that even 'respectable' old people object to the current IP system

    Perhaps there are other statements, but those were the first that came to mind.

    Yes, I could see devoting my last few days on earth to that cause. I like it a lot better than giving my money to starving people who are just going to die anyway, for example.

  40. Re:So let's see... by Reverend+Joe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    notice the artists getting ripped off are never mentioned in those equations

    sure they are. i post all the time complaining about how the riaa refuses to pay artists the money they deserve, and uses their illegally-gotten and abused monopoly power to strong arm artists into unfair record contracts, followed up by their tried-and-true, proven method of routinely "forgetting" to pay even the pittance they racketeered the artists into agreeing to.

    that is, in fact, one of the things that I believe DOES justify infringing the copyrights held by the riaa; the fact that all the hollering the riaa does about "the artists" is done to support a system that has historically, systematically, and categorically used to "legally" rip artists off year-after-year without fail.

    i'm with you man; i post about this all the time, what the heck are you talking about when you say "never mentioned"?

  41. Re:Actually, she could have by 2old2rockNroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    she only died on December 11

    Only? That seems like a fairly important event of a lifetime to me.

  42. inspiring by sacrilicious · · Score: 3, Funny
    Gertrude Walton, a deceased eighty-three-year-old woman, was named as the only defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by a group of record companies. They claimed Walton made more than 700 pop, rock and rap songs available for free on the Internet under the screen name 'smittenedkitten.'

    I'm just glad Walton had the balls to demand a trial rather than knuckling under and paying the typical $3,000 settlement.

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  43. Re:Nice Slippery Slope Strategy by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember kids: Capitalism bad. Socialist free information good. No one needs to get paid.

    Ri-iiight because every time grandma downloaded an MP3, the music industry had to pay $15...

    Long before the internet and CD's there was something called radio, and people used to use this silly mechanism called a tape recorder, to tape songs from the radio. And there was a huge hue and cry about how this was costing the "artists" money. "Piracy" will NEVER end, but it doesn't cost the industry anything. IT IS MONEY THEY NEVER HAD and it is also MONEY THEY WILL NEVER HAVE. How this can be a "cost" is beyond me...potential profit does not exist, it's an accounting fallacy. If they want to sell more albums they have to do like any other business and drop their price, or create a product that more people want.

    You can't force me to buy something I don't wan't, and you can't "protect" a few million bytes in a computer memory or anywhere else. If you can read them and make sense of them, so can I. Technically humming your favorite tune is also a copyright violation.

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  44. Re:Nice Slippery Slope Strategy by zenyu · · Score: 5, Informative

    There *is* a legal transgression that is taking place daily and it is impacting the industry in an enormous way. The courts have sided almost exclusively with the consumer (thankfully we haven't started to lose that many civil rights yet), and the RIAA has only one course of action left open to it: lawsuits.

    Look EMI sent my ISP a nastygram that resulted in my losing internet service for a week. I work from home so this was a real hardship. I had never heard of the bands listed, the IP address listed wasn't even being used at the time, and I've never downloaded a song at home*. Music just doesn't matter much to me.

    *I downloaded a public domain performance of a public domain song from Napster when they first started at work just to show my boss how cool the technology was.

    Now lets look at losses: about $1000 for me, about $300 in customer acquisition costs for the ISP I dumped for not informing me of the letter they got before cutting off service. For EMI, $1. They obviously just did some brain dead port scan and hired someone not capable of cut and paste to write the nastygram.

    This is a case that never went past the nasty-gram stage, just immagine the legal transgressions they are committing on the scale of our economy... I will gladly join a class action against them when it comes. They are impacting the nation in an enormous way. There is only one course of action left open to freedom loving Americans: lawsuits.

    As I understand it though, the RIAA has constructed a "repent" clause in to all of their suits which gives you a get-out-of-jail free card in return for a signed promise of non-recidivism.

    The innocent are the most impacted by this type of "repent" clause, it reminds me of our broken criminal "justice" system. Punish the innocent, pardon the guilty. It's just not right.

  45. What’s the problem? by nasor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although the article says that this woman was computer illiterate and "objected to having computers," it never actually says that there wasn't a computer in her house. It's curious that although the article spends a lot of time talking about how she didn't like/know about them, it never explicitly states that she didn't have one in the house. It also states that she had family members living with her, and that she has 24 grandchildren and 23 great-grandchildren. Odds are that one of them were using her internet account for file-sharing, so she was busted for it. The fact that they filed the suit even though they had already received a copy of the death certificate can be attributed to the ordinary bureaucratic mix-ups that happen routinely in large offices, and shouldn't surprise anyone who has ever worked for a company with more than ten employees.

    I don't see the point of this being on slashdot.

  46. Re:So let's see... by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it okay to violate music copyrights?

    Yes. Just like it's okay to smoke weed. Copyright and prohibition are both wrong. They put the manufacture and distribution into the hands of criminals. I'd rather not deal with criminals. Real businesses have better quality control.

    If so, does that mean nobody should bitch in the next "GPL source code theft" article?

    Yes. "GPL source code theft" is impossible. There's nothing to stop anyone from using, sharing, giving, selling it. With that in mind, how is any megacorp that "stole" the code going to make their millions from it? How are they going to keep me from getting the source?

    Obviously the wrong people will occassionally get named in these things due to the nature of IPs and the Internet.

    And you consider THAT okay?? I find copyright violations a little less offensive(a lot actually) than the legal system being used to harass innocent people.

    (notice the artists getting ripped off are never mentioned in those equations).

    You are quite the redundant one aren't you? They are mentioned all the time. I've pointed that out before, and you chose to misinterpret that back then also.(How soon they forget...)

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  47. Re:There's more to the story by Degrees · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You missed a crucial point: that particular courthouse makes mere citizens stand in a long line and go through screening (metal detector, purse x-ray, etc.), but gives the lawyers ID badges to bypass screening.

    The two guys would stand in line with the public, and tell lawyer jokes at the lawyers as they exercised their special privilege.

    It was a form of protest: it is unfair that "some people are more special than others".

    Which, frankly, I can agree with.

    How would you deal this: some idiot decides to self-represent ("In propria persona"). Do you grant him an ID badge to bypass screening? Do you declare him a first-class citizen or a second-class citizen?

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