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GA Proposes Restricting Game Sales to Minors

HarryCaul writes "The Georgia Legislature has a bill proposing the restriction of sales of video games to minors. This bill is independent of the voluntary ratings in that it would prohibit the sale of "especially heinous, atrocious or cruel" games to children. Another bill from the same legislator would take the more reasonable step of requiring stores to post a sign explaining the video game rating system. From the article: "The video game proposal is one of several like it being introduced across the country. Lawmakers in North Carolina, Illinois and Michigan are among those considering similar measures."

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  1. Glad I'm 20 by jlefeld · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Glad this wasn't around when I was like 12 and buying Doom. I still have never had anyone id me to buy an M rated game though. My 13 year old brother got ided when he bought GTA and they still let him buy the game.

  2. they have this in washington by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Informative

    i dont know why this is really news, i mean, they've had this in washington state fer a while now, and im shur a lot of other states too.

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    1. Re:they have this in washington by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 2, Informative
  3. Pros/Cons by bubblewrapgrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the one hand, this seems like a good idea. It holds the stores responsible for not enforcing the policies that they have in place - mainly fining them for selling (or renting) M-rated games to minors. Great, I guess.

    On the other hand, I'm not really sure that this will fix the problem of uninformed parents buying and renting the games for their children. I don't have a problem with people deciding that it's ok that their child plays a game. I have a problem with parents not knowing what the game is and getting it for their kids because "my friend's mom said it's ok". That happens all the time. Are these parents going to be fined, too?

    1. Re:Pros/Cons by SiliconJesus · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only way to fix the latter is to have parents be aware of the rating system on games. I'm not sure what else the gaming industry can do other than having the ratings there, and possibly forcing all rental / sales places to display the code and have them talk to parents about the game's details for any game rated "Teen" or above so the parents know what they're getting into. Sadly, most of the people selling games (especially at places like Wal*Mart or the likes) don't have a clue when it comes to games.

      I'm all for this. Honestly, you don't have any rights as a minor in the US anyway, why not add this to the pile.

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    2. Re:Pros/Cons by stpitner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that the problem is not only uninformed parents, but parents that don't care AND those that don't realize what their kids are picking up on. I was watching 3 kids the other day, ages 4, 5, and third was about 7. All three were talking about how they love Halo 2 and they love going around and killing the other guys. That's not cool. Then later they were making guns out of tinkertoys and pretending to shoot each other no matter how hard I tried to get them to imagine building something else.

      What makes it worse is that there are games that "Daddy plays it" but while they can't play it, they are still able to watch. Their dad's gives them high-fives when he does something good while playing Resident Evil 4. That's practically all the kids talked about, and there wasn't even a video game system in the room to get them to think about it. It's just on the forefront of their brains.

      Kids soak up all sorts of information. Do we really want them to soak up blood, guts, gore, and killing?

      What they desperately need are games that are rated E, but not only that they need to be GOOD games. Don't even bring in "pretty" killing without the gore. Don't enter that genre's mindset when making these games. It's not easy, I know. I don't think a lot of game companies are willing to go for that just yet when it doesn't mean immediate $$$ for them.

    3. Re:Pros/Cons by tha_mink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that the problem is not only uninformed parents, but parents that don't care AND those that don't realize what their kids are picking up on. I was watching 3 kids the other day, ages 4, 5, and third was about 7. All three were talking about how they love Halo 2 and they love going around and killing the other guys. That's not cool. Then later they were making guns out of tinkertoys and pretending to shoot each other no matter how hard I tried to get them to imagine building something else.

      What makes it worse is that there are games that "Daddy plays it" but while they can't play it, they are still able to watch. Their dad's gives them high-fives when he does something good while playing Resident Evil 4. That's practically all the kids talked about, and there wasn't even a video game system in the room to get them to think about it. It's just on the forefront of their brains.

      Kids soak up all sorts of information. Do we really want them to soak up blood, guts, gore, and killing?

      What they desperately need are games that are rated E, but not only that they need to be GOOD games. Don't even bring in "pretty" killing without the gore. Don't enter that genre's mindset when making these games. It's not easy, I know. I don't think a lot of game companies are willing to go for that just yet when it doesn't mean immediate $$$ for them.


      But to a point, it's not that these youngsters play Halo because it's a "good" game but more because of the hype and buzz around it. I mean, these kids got the game because of the buzz and hype.

      It's the same with music and the banning that was going on back in the 80's. Kids don't listen to violent music because they like it as much as they listen to it because it's the cool thing to do. This is a principal that has been driving youngsters (and even old folks) for ever. Get the latest and greatest. It makes you cool.

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  4. Good thing by yotto · · Score: 3, Informative

    I won't say "You can mod me down if you want, but..." because I hate it when people say that.

    But...

    I think this is a Good Thing(tm). They've been doing it with movies for ever and I don't remember it destroying my civil liberties when I was a child.

    1. Re:Good thing by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Funny
      I won't say "You can mod me down if you want, but..." because I hate it when people say that.

      Well, I won't say that I won't say "you can mod me down if you want, but...", because I hate it when people say that they won't say that since the only reason they say that is to say that without actually saying that they're saying that.

      So you may mod me down for saying that I wouldn't say that I won't say "you can mod me down if you want, but...",

      But...

      Yeah, I agree with the parent.

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  5. Can't buy videogames... by LordEd · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...but they can buy a shotgun or rifle without ID?
    Georgia Firearm Laws

    * No licensing or registration requirements related to purchase or possession of any firearms.

    * No waiting period for purchase of handguns, shotguns, or rifles.

    * There are no age restrictions related to possession of rifles or shotguns.

    (yes, i know there are responsible youth gun owners, but which requires more responsibility... guns or video games?)

    1. Re:Can't buy videogames... by clausiam · · Score: 3, Informative
      While I mostly agree with the point you're trying to make you did selectively post just some of the statements. You "forgot" this one:

      It is a felony for a person to intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly sell or provide a handgun to any person less than 18 years of age. Parents and legal guardians may, however, allow possession of a handgun by a minor for such purposes as detailed above. In addition, under federal law, federally licensed firearms dealers may not sell a handgun to anyone under 21 years of age.

    2. Re:Can't buy videogames... by FCAdcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There has never, in any state been a waiting period for purchasing rifles or shotguns. Nor do they require you to regester any of them or have liscenses to own them.

      However, there was a madatory 3 day waiting period in all states during the 1990's, which was put into place so that propper background checks could be done to insure that handguns weren't sold to felons. With modern computers and inter-state networks there is no need for them anymore. It can be done in a matter of seconds by calling a national office for handgun sales checks and regestration.

      There are no age restrictions on rifles or shotguns because rifles and shotguns are hunting weapons. Pistols are most often not hunting weapons. (although there are handguns made specificaly for hunting) It is illegal to hand a pistol to nayone under 18 for any reason, and children under 21 may only handle handguns with adult supervision under hunting or target shooting circumstances.

      Why do you think rifles and shotguns are so bad? Of all of the shootings last year only a handful were from legally purchased firearms, and only a smaller fraction were from either rifles or shotguns. You want to know how many of those were from legally purchased rifles or shotguns? Try just a fraction of a handful... More people were stabbed. Wanna ban steak knives as well?

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  6. NEWSFLASH by fwitness · · Score: 4, Funny

    This just in:

    In a nationwide first, all 50 states have agreed to pass state-specific laws relegating parenting to the government in various degrees. Local governments will ensure that children play the appropriate games, watch the appropriate movies, and hear apprporiate radio stations. In addition 'teen-camps' will be set up with handy drop off zones for parents (most open 24 hours). Parents are not required to pick up their children, or actually know the childs interests or first names.

    Local residents appear to be largely in favor of this bold move. Sandy Jones of Smithington, PA said "Well it's about time. I can't tell you how many times whats-his-name has done some stuff to piss me off. You wanna hit 'em, you know? But you're not allowed to these days. It's a big relief to know I'll be able to drop the devil spawn off into the hands of a responsible, accurate, and accountable organization like the US government."

    Some city services are already beaming at the economic opportunites. The transit authority is in the process of setting up a VIP program for parents, picking children up at their very front doors.

    Reasonable, intelligent people could not be reached for comment.

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    1. Re:NEWSFLASH by HeavyK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "If they decide that they aren't OK with you, a 12 year old, playing GTA, then there should be some means of them enforcing that decision."

      Exactly, it's called doing it themselves.
      The parents themselves have to enforce the restrictions they put on their kids. They shouldn't expect the government and retailers to do the job for them. There are parents who don't want their kids to have access to the bible or Harry Potter books. Should the government restrict access to those to minors to help out their parents. How is it any different with violent video games? Parents all have differing opinions on what materials are approriate or not for their children.

      According to your flawed logic we'd have to restrict just about everything out there to minors seeing as there are some parents out there who are likely to find it offensive or unsuitible for their child/children.

  7. OT: "restrict to" is weird. by artifex2004 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Depending on usage, it can mean opposite things. If you restrict game sales to minors, that's supposed to mean it limits their ability to buy, but as dictionary.com points out, restricting land to recreational use means it should only be used for that purpose.

    I always thought that there were actually two phrases, restricting from as well as restricting to something, but apparently that's not common usage.

  8. Re:Anecdocal evidence by ted1488 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why should the gov't be responsible be people not raising their kids right. i agree with you that your LB shouldnt be playing that kind of a game, but what more can the gov't do to prevent this. they cant send someone out to watch over every parents shoulder and when a parent lets their kid do something that they shoudnt, that man cant be there to slap the parents fingers and tell them "no!" the government can not control the way that parents raise their kids, it all comes down to old fashion parenting.

  9. Why this won't make a difference by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was in Walmart not too long ago, and there was this Mother and her 9 to 11 year old son with her. She was buying him a copy of "Max Payne"--an M-Rated game--for the PS2. Most kids don't have the $20-$50 it takes to buy a new game, it's the parents that buy most of them, so what difference does it make if the parents are buying M-Rated games for their kids?

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    1. Re:Why this won't make a difference by stinerman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this is a good law because now politicians can't demonize the game makers.

      Indeed, most parents buy 'M'-rated games for their kids (I used to work at an elementary school as a tutor and recall detailed descriptions of GTA:VC from a Kindergartener), which I have no problem with. I just want the politicians to shut up about the big bad gaming industry when they finally realize that Mom and Pop are buying these games for their kids. Blaming Mom and Pop won't win anyone any votes.

  10. Re:Anecdocal evidence by centauri · · Score: 3, Funny

    I KNEW it. Big Brother IS watching us!

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  11. Where do the kids get the money to buy games? by EhobaX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I was a kid I barely had enough money to buy a comic book once a month. Now it seems that kids have enough cash flow to buy M-rated games and what not at the drop of a hat. I think I grew up in the wrong generation. :P Back on topic, I agree that kids shouldn't be allowed to buy M-rated games. It's the same deal as movies, books, or any other medium. Of course, it's ultimately up to the parents and how they want to bring up their kids. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.

  12. About time this came up in legislature by Camien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know when I was younger my parents were generally always making sure I wasn't doing things I wasn't supposed to, but on those occasions that they allowed me to run off by myself, if I wanted to go see a rated R movie, I wouldn't have been able to get in. I ask you, really, what is the difference between enforcing laws that keep kids from watching movies that have been deemed too violet or sexual or whatnot, to keeping them from being able to buy games of the same nature without parental consent? Nothing really.. If the parents allow it then the kid can still do it, this will hopefully just make the parents realise that maybe they shouldn't get their kid "game x" because it is rated mature, maybe they'll pay a little more attention to what they buy now.

    1. Re:About time this came up in legislature by HeavyK · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually i'm pretty sure i read a recent study from the FCC that showed that it was easier for minors to buy R or unrated DVDs and videos from retailers then it was for them to buy "M" rated video games.
      Also many retailers have I.D. checks for "M" rated games but don't for buying an R or "unrated" rated DVD or movie.
      As for saying that most kids rent the R rated movies or play the "M" rated video games only for the extreme gore, ect as opposed to those who read books. Well i'd say that's kinda discrimitory. While there are those that do, there are many kids who watch those movies for the storyline/plot/characters and play the games for the challenge/funfactor/interesting gaming aspects.

  13. That's no good! by Xaroth · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they restrict the sales of video games to minors, how will us adults purchase our video games?! Soon, we'll have to stand outside of the local game shop, asking 14 year old kids if they'd be willing to buy a game for us, and...

    Oh, wait. They mean that sales of video games to minors will be restricted. I suppose that's a little different, then.

  14. Re:wow by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, the ratings system has never had any force of law behind it. The ESRB (Entertainment Software Rating Board) was established by a software industry trade association and is voluntary. It has been presented to Congress and praised, but nothing is formalized.

    Keep in mind that the parents and adults who push for these laws are seldom concerned about their own kids getting hold of these games. They are positive that won't happen. However, they think that no moral, intelligent parent would ever buy anything with violence or sex in it for their children. There are a good number of parents who don't know or care what music their children listen to, what television shows they watch, what internet sites they access, and what video games they play. There are also parents who don't view violence and sex in entertainment as a massive evil - who are involved in the decision-making and who talk to their kids about what is represented in the games. To the parents who push for these laws, any parent whose kids play such games are the same: immoral, uncaring, irresponsible parents whose poor kids must be protected. Untrue and not logical, but a law is nothing more than an inconvenience to those of us who will buy the game for our kids anyway.

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  15. Re:What about Harry Potter books? by Deltashield · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...this is why organized religion should be put in its place. Most parents like myself are intelligent enough to know what is and is not suitable for our children. There are those who spent far too many years under the collective whip of the Catholic Church to be able to think on their own and rely heavily on their congregation for guidance...sort of like one of my ex's cousins who think along your lines. After listening to him, I gave him a swift verbal lashing on the subject of who impregnanted his wife (him or the good minister) I said it is your responsibility to take an active interest in your child and address any potential interests they may have especially what they read. Regardless of the subject matter...be it Harry Potter or others. It is up to you to educate or even better READ THE BOOKS your children wish to read to you can make an EDUCATED decision on wether or not they are prepared rather than letting the good preacher decide for you. By the way the only one of the series that caused a major uproar was "Order of the Pheonix" in that the student body was force to mutiny it's abusive headmaster. The message is this is what can happen if corrupt government politics interferes with the well oiled runnings of a good school. Also if you hadn't noticed there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of devil worship in the series...in fact the school pushes a class called "Defense Against the Dark Arts" so if I were you I'd let your children READ, the more they read the more educated they will become. The more educated they become the less likely they will me so easily manipulated like yourself by powers that seek to cripple you. They'll go farther ahead in life than you.

  16. Shades of D&D by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When I was a kid it was D&D that was going to warp our minds and make us go postal. A friend's mom convinced him that he, me, and my friends were going to Hell and was going to turn us into rampaging murderers, so he stole my D&D books, 2 years of adventuring notes, characters, and our collectively built world. They had a good old fashioned book burning at their church.

    Other times the terrible mind warping stuff was books, movies, or music. Now it's videogames.

    Doom, GTA, neck snapping in Price of Persia 2, and virtually storming the beaches at Normandy in Day of Defeat isn't going to turn kids into rampaging pairs of Harris & Klebold any more than D&D turned me and my friends into throat slashing demonically possessed murderers.

    This is *stupid* and so are the legislators pushing it and the people who support it.