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Enterprise Fans Buy Full-Page Ad In LA Times
jangobongo writes "SciFiWire.com reports that fans of Star Trek Enterprise have succeeded in placing a full-page ad in the LA Times. The ad will urge someone to pick up the show for a fifth season. According to the official fan site, a Star Trek Enterprise fan working for the LA Times has arranged a special deal for a discounted ad. Donations collected to date have covered the cost of the ad which will be located in the "A" section of the paper on Feb. 21."
Let it die already!
I wonder when the demand for some shows will become great enough that fans will be able to finance entire shows DIRECTLY. Could probably save a pretty penny by not having to pay so many executives too.
It was cheaper to subtract.
Is this story an ad for an ad?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
The entire open source community could hardly gather money for the Firefox add in 3(?) months, but a few Star Trek fans gather for an LA Times add in 2(?) weeks?
omfg.
They should have taken out an ad instead calling for the involuntary euthanasia of Rick Berman. I'd eat Alpo for a month to come up with the money to get behind that.
That have had similar campaigns is that the vast majority of the audience believed in the people behind them. Whether it was Angel, or Farscape, or even the original Star Trek, people respected the person(s) in charge of making the show happen, and they were upset with how a studio/channel treated them unfairly.
This is different, though. No one has been more vocal about the problems with B&B than the fans. Why support them? Why raise money for them to make another season? Let them take the fall on this one even if it means an end to Star Trek right now. It'd be better to start a campaign to raise money on the condition they were gone from the Star Trek helm.
This needs to not become a habit. If loads of people get full page adverts in magazines for every little fanbase then it will become meaningless.
Enterprise has been a rather poor series from the start. It didn't follow the Star Trek theme at all, it didn't feel like Star Trek. It seemed more of a parody which could of been named "Hicks in space".
I'm not a HUGE Trekkie, but I'll happily watch anything EXCEPT Enterprise. Where as I can't even stand to watch a full episode of the "new" series. I understand fans want to keep it around, but if it dies (and no offence to anyone but lets hope it does), we might get a real series. No more "Oh no we met a new race who think we're all hicks, lets make friends with them and save the universe!" and alot more "Well.. lets go look at that thing no one understands and go "WTF" when everything goes wrong or someone is taken over by an alien/warp entity thing.
Hell as far as I know they don't even have a Holo-deck, surely that cuts the series length in half without the "OMG SAFEY HAS BEEN REMOVED" episodes.
I like muppets.
> Enterprise is by far the worst Star Trek series of all time, why save it?
They want to postpone the start of the next series, which will be even worse.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
My campaign to save Webster in the late 80's didn't succeed and I don't see why this campaign will either.
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I'm a big tall mofo.
Actual advert here: http://enterprisefans.com/ad/final.pdf
At least save T'Pol.
There are "logical" reasons for this.
No, really. Honest...
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...have long gone.
Paramount owns Star Trek, and will not let the show continue on anything but UPN, and they've probably already filled Enterprise's time slot with some crud on Friday nights at UPN.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
The problem with Enterprise is
The problem with Trek, in two words: Rick Berman.
You can't take the sky from me...
Get off your high horse and start watching the newest season of enterprise. It by far kicks major ass.
Watch it Pink Skin.
Help save Star Trek.
New writers needed.
I'm not sure that The Tiresome, Preachy Metaphor Show would be any more successful than The Tired Premise Sci-Fi Western Show.
All employees must wash hands before seeking equitable relief.
No offense - but RTFA. They wanted USA Today, but couldnt afford it.
How about covering the hull of the enterprise in ads like a formula 1 race car?
Seeing a big Viagra ad splayed across the top of the saucer section would be worth watching the show again...
My rights don't need management.
"Put in something better...."
Like what, Sibling Swap? Survivor 32? American Idol: Reloaded Ad Nauseum? CSI: Buffalo?
I can't possibly see what would be a better use of a timeslot. Enterprise may not be all that great, but rest assured they'll replace it with something worse and redundant.
In addition to the acting, what I couldn't find in Enterprise were those ideals. Sure, Archer talks about them sometimes, but I simply don't get that impression. Even Voyager could give me some of that. In fact, I think parts of DS9 got too much of "epic tale of good against evil" sometimes, while Voyager at its worst just got boring. I think I, for one, can prefer boring.
Please stop, the shark is tired now.
...Enterprise Fans Waste Money On Full-Page Ad In LA Times
While I respect the fact that some want it to continue, it's a truly futile effort which is not going to go anywhere. Save your money to pay for the service to watch whatever Star Trek incarnation comes along next.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
A darkened cabin aboard this vessel.. Two figures lie in bed.
Zoom in on the perspiring figure of Captain Robert April, tossing and turning in a fitful sleep. Having consumed entirely too much Arcturian rarebit at dinner the night before, April suddenly sits bolt upright in bed, screaming "YAAAAHHHHH!!! in sheer terror, the result of a particularly long and horrible nightmare. Wife Sarah, rubbing the sleep from her own eyes, rolls over looking at him with concern and says, "Honey, what's wrong? What's wrong?"
Slow fade to black, roll credits.
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I liked how UPN taunts Enterprise fans. Half way through the show they ran an add that said "Enterprise is coming to an end. These are the last episodes!"
I doubt UPN will uncancel it.
the problem with enterprise isn't the show, its ha da great 3rd and 4th series that tie the episodes together. (unlike TNG where enterprise just flew around the galaxy doing whatever and none of the episodes tied anything together)
Anyway, getting back to my point, the problem is that its shown on UPN. who watches UPN? nobody, look at their ratings on every show. If enterprise was on Fox the ratings would be through the roof. Heck where I live, there is no local UPN station (so I can't get with with my satalite subscriber or on a antenna) so I have to download the copy from usenet the morning after the new episode airs.
but here we do have local fox, abc, cbs, nbc, and wb (bleh) affiliates. for gods sake, show enterprise on anything other then UPN and you'd have great ratings. The problem isn't enterprise, the problem is that nobody watches UPN, no matter what UPN has on tv.
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Let's look at this story another way. Enterprise fans (who are among the most rabid bit torrent users, many because of UPN's limited audience) don't believe they're spending enough money on the show through eyeballs (commercials) and uploading. They feel the need to tell the studios that they're willing to pay more, so they took out an ad.
Do we need more evidence that current copyright law is hindering the progress of science and useful arts?
Studios, the Internet is there for more than just commercials served as web pages. We're willing to pay for content. We're ready for you. You will lose money if you stand in the way of progress, just like the US Constitution foretold 200 years ago. You can either help with something like iTunes or sue dead grandmothers until teenagers teach their parents how to take care of this themselves.
We have the technology to allow the market to directly tell you what they want. We want Firefly (just count those DVD sales). We want Family guy. Yet the studios count the millions who watch the Superbowl just for the commercials the same as a rabid fan base who will pay through the nose for a series on commercial free DVD. (Here's a tip, I don't like menus or "special features", I just want to use my DVD player like a CD player hooked up to the TV.)
[karma whore]Wait, this is Slashdot. Nobody likes Enterprise. How much did both Enterprise fans have to contribute for the full page ad?[/karma whore]
How about crashing the ship into a planet? Hold up, that's been done. How about ramming it into an enemy ship? No wait... What about a phasing cloak where it gets stuck in an...no, dammit! Uh, time travel...assimilation...green animal women... Oh, the hell with it.
Actually I have seen BSG; and frankly I find it a far superior series in many ways.
However--BSG isn't looking for a timeslot, it already has one. My point was that no matter what new show they come up with it's probably just going to be something that already has 10 variations currently airing on other networks. If they fill it with reruns of some other show...same deal.
A crappy Trek series is a better use of the timeslot it was in because I seriously doubt anything truly unique and creative will take its place, and reruns are just that...reruns, I'd rather watch new episodes of a mediocre series.
Right. Enterprise. I'm sure it's a perfectly good show. Maybe even good. But am I the only one who instinctively turns their TV off before the end of the theme tune?
It could be the worst theme on television. Ever.
You sir are the sorry one.
I don't care what the "horrible disaster of the day" is, it doesn't make spending money on anything but charity an evil selfish act.
Apparently some people believe that Enterprise is a good enough TV show that it is worth their money to try to save it. I'm not sure that a newspaper ad is the correct way to spend that money, but supporting something you enjoy is a perfectly reasonable and appropriate thing to do.
-- The act of censorship is always worse than whatever is being censored. Always.
(No, not "suck and die") but attract non star trek fans. I know many trek lovers at work. All of them hate Enterprise. Then there's the dedicated non SF crowd, like my wife, who actually likes Enterprise. She likes the characters more. Likes the lower tech "high tech." And she's not alone. The other Enterprise watchers I know didn't really like Trek before Enterprise. Enterprise's downfall? It isn't really working as a gateway drug. I don't know people who have moved off of enterprise onto harder SF. (Unlike firefly, which began soft and smooth, but I know people who live their social lives in the social equivalent of an abandoned building, straining shows like Andromeda through bread to get a SF high). Enterprise hasn't built a following of people who would watch another show from the same series. Contrast TNG, which made so many addicts that they were willing to watch a show about a space station that boldly sat in one place year after year.
www.voiceofthehive.com - Beekeeping and Honeybees for those who don't.
f enough sci-fi fans thought it was good enough then it would get ratings.
An idea to spice up the show would be new uniforms . Have ALL the women including the hot vulcan in tight miniskirts just like in the original series. Remember the Vulcan in the StarTrek movie ? Hell make them even smaller skirts. Why not add some eroticism instead of staying stale and puritan.
I WOULD DEFINITELY WATCH THEN.
I love the articles here, but any time I venture into the comments section, I wind up irritated and depressed at humanity's future prospects.
Slashdot commentators seem to combine the arrogance and incivility of your average adolescent with the cantankerous anger of a bitter old man. Most of you don't seem to love anything, and if you do stumble across someone expressing appreciation or admiration for anything, you just DUMP ALL OVER IT.
That's my general statement. Now about this topic in particular:
I LIKE Enterprise. Yes, it has taken a few years to hit its stride. This seems to be the pattern for these Berman-produced Trek vehicles. They get better as they go along. I thought this one would be particularly challenging for them to pull off, because writing a past history for any established storyline is just hard. You have to work within the strictures of what has already been plotted, not violate any rules already laid down, but still keep things fresh and unpredictable. Furthermore, since they are working in a reality that is lacking quite a few of the standard Star Trek devices (meaning both technology and plot devices), they can't just fall back on old storylines like holodecks (not invented yet), Q continuum (won't meet them for centuries), the Borg (likewise), or even original Trek conventions like the Klingon War or the Romulan Neutral Zone (yet to happen/be established.)
I wasn't wild about the Temporal Cold War plotlines, but there is an ongoing theme, well established during Voyager, that Temporal violations are possible and certain organizations work hard to prevent that from happening. The TCW plots at least establish some of the "history" (slippery word when you're talking about time travel) that led to that sort of management.
And this season, I think they are really getting to the meat of the plots, the establishment of much of what we first came to like about Star Trek: The Federation (and Humans central role in bringing it about), the battles with the Romulans that will lead to the Zone, the roots of the Klingon/Terran conflict, the moral dilemmas that necessitate the Prime Directive, reliable Transporter technology, and so on. Between the First Contact movie and Enterprise, the Zefram Cochrane/Warp Drive/Vulcan first contact plot line has really been fleshed out, and now seems like a genuine part of Trek history.
Those are reasons why I like it. I don't demand that YOU do. But why do so many people around here WANT it to die? This isn't 1975, with just three big TV networks and very limited programming space. It's 2005, there are dozens of networks and hundreds of channels. There's plenty of room for both Trek and Battlestar Galactica, and whatever else. If you don't like Trek, don't watch it. I'll admit that plenty of people have made that choice, and that's why the show is in peril. But ferchrisakes, don't demand that it be taken off just because it doesn't appeal to YOU. And if those of us who do enjoy it make some effort to keep it on, please try not to savage us, or disparage the attempt. I'm much more turned off by apathy than by people earnestly trying to do something, even something a little silly.
Better to tilt at windmills than to just sit home in your underwear and type snide comments at people you haven't (and probably never will) meet.
Oh, wait, you sometimes spend your time and money in ways that benefit you and not others? Hypocrite.
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When we placed the ad with the NY Times, we got a discount for taking it when they (the NY Times) wanted to within a two week window. With this one, they've got a guy who works for the LA Times, so he probably got the discount as well as the chance to pick his/her own date.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Have you seen this? Two new episodes of TOS, with more on the way.
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A friend recommended me to watch the pilot of Battlestar Galactica. After seeing that (then of course watching the entire season1), I have this to say to enterprize fans: Good luck.
This is obviously just my humble personal opinion, but from what ive seen, ST:E has absolutly -nothing- on BSG.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
The most recent episode made clear how Archer was integral to the creation of the Federation.
Soon I'll bet we get an episode about the Suliban and the cold war. I expect they'll let us know who that holographic time lord was and re-kindle that sub-plot that'll lead to the next series/spin-off.
They've still got to explain the glaring differences between the Enterprise and Start Trek TOS universes. i.e. Why Archer and this Enterprise history isn't known by the Kirk and Spock gang.
They're preparing the setting and cast for the next show. I figure that's why Trip's going to the Columbia, why Flox get's kidnapped.
I dig the show and I look forward to the next series. Wow, T'Pol, what a babe, my favorite character.
If you really want to know you can read the pre-production report of the final episode.
If you've seen my post on this topic, you know that Paramount dearly misses Ronald D. Moore, who was involved in some of the very best episodes of ST:TNG and ST:DS9. If Moore were involved with ST:E I think the series would have far higher ratings.
That is absolutely wonderful. However, I'm sure there are a couple dozen equally-worthy charities out there that you haven't spent five minutes or a dollar on. You have no right to dictate where others put their energies.
Re money: I loved the Clerks animated series, for example. I'd dearly love to see a return to our screens. However, I'd rather donate towards a worthwhile cause, than a full page newspaper ad requesting this.
Did you buy Clerks on DVD? Or have you ever bought anything on DVD? Couldn't that money have been better spent on the tsunami victims, or whoever had suffered a disaster that year?
Yes, we're talking about different magnitudes of money here. But how do you know that those people don't regularly give much more to charity than what they spent on the ad?
Sorry, but one of my pet peeves is people who get on a high horse and think that they are the arbiters of what is a worthwhile cause and where others should spend their time and money. Most people donate either time or money to charity. Everyone chooses different causes, and chooses to allocate different percentages of their time and money to those causes. Until you are living a completely luxury-free life and donating equally to all charities, you're in a glass house.
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Well, one can discuss in absurdum wether or not Enterprise was worthwhile.
The question of wether or not the death of Enterprise is a good thing, is a completely different thing.
Concidering the hardcore fans has complained about how the series have developed ever since they made an episode that was not TOS, especially the Voyager and Enterprise series, can we really be sure that Paramount will actually go for another series? Or will they fear that it is too unsecure a step to take from an economic standpoint?
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