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Microsoft Anti-Spyware to Be Free of Charge
fubar1971 writes "During his keynote speech at the at the RSA Security Conference Bill Gates announced that the MS antispyware will be offered for free. From his speech: 'We've looked hard at the nature of this problem, and made a decision that this anti-spyware capability will become something that's available at no additional charge for Windows users -- both the blocking capability, and the scanning and removal capabilities.' Additional information at Government Computer News." Update: 02/16 16:57 GMT by Z : Microsoft was previously considering charging extra for this service.
I removed Microsoft's antispyware program because it was creating a log file in the hundreds of megabytes (this was only after one week). I thought there might be a setting to turn off the log -- it really screwed up my disk defrag program because the file has a few thousand pieces scattered over the hard drive -- but I couldn't find anything.
Anybody know if this is a bug that was fixed, or how to stop it?
Great suggestions... it would be nice to see them in the finished product. One thing that I'd like to see:
IDIOT PROOFING
Right now, the software is far too intrusive in many modes. I just want something that will run when the screensaver comes on (or the PC is locked) and eliminates a predetermined "level" of crap. This would be a blessing for anyone who has to remove this crap all of the time.
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I always hated anti-virus and anti-software programs. This is more of a philosophical question.. Antispyware/AV runs all the time to detect any spywares/Virus. The main problem with spywares /virus(among many others ) is that it uses up your cpu time. However, to beat that we run antispyware/virus, which also usesup the cpu time (if running in real-time mode)!
"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people."--Howard Zinn
We've looked hard at the nature of this problem, and made a decision that this anti-spyware capability will become something that's available at no additional charge for Windows users
--Bill Gates
Yes, its called AdAware and SpyBot S&D. Free spyware killing tools on Windows has little to do with MS putting one out for free.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Laziness is the father.
Great. Why is MS making a big toodoo about it. Wait, I'll answer my own question. It's because they had planned to charge for this previously. Still, making a big hoohah over giving away a tool to clean up spyware that infests one of your other products due to very poorly designed security is hardly wise. "Hey...look at me. My product sucks, but I'm giving away duct tape and bailing wire so you can fix'er right up." Brilliant.
I like this anti-spyware program (was Giant's). I use it in place of adaware and spybot (which i used previously).
While active-x, IE, and windows has its security holes - your statement makes it sound like it MS's fault for all of these spyware/virus programs. In all reality, it is the fault of the spyware/virus writers - they just found exploits in MS. So lets pass the blame accordingly.
It is very nice of MS to offer this program "free" - considering they paid a big chunk of change for it. I don't actually consider it free, just an add-on to the OS that I already paid for.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
so does this mean it will remove its own phone home in Windows XP (windows acivation, error reports....
Hmm I installed it via Windows update and haven't even been able to find out what it does yet.
:)
I suspect the one on WU is an earlier beta than you have... I have no error.log file.
It's true it doesn't find much... I've even tried deliberately infecting myself. Missed it completely... maybe I have to log in as administrator first
Lavasoft has found a new way to make money. Aparrently Ad-Aware no longer removes WhenU spyware. I wonder if the kickback from taking bribes will be enough to offset the sales losses created by MSFT's product?
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Uhhh... I don't think anybody's complaining that it'll "edge out" the competition. I'm all for the complete elimination of this entire industry. Spyware should not exist, and solutions to Spyware shouldn't be necessary.
Here's why it's psychotic for them to have even considered charging for it: remember those Firestone tires that were blowing up left and right and killing people? What if Firestone had "considered" charging people to get those tires replaced? "On second thought, we figured it'd be nice to fix them for free." NO SHIT, Firestone/Microsoft.
To even entertain a glimmer of a notion of a possibility of a thought of charging for this would have been moronic.
if you read the anti-spyware EULA, you'll find that the spyware removal tool is at least as bad as the spyware it purports to remove.
On the spam front, Gates said that Microsoft is working with all of the major ISPs on an initiative to positively identify the senders of e-mail. The system will rely on data from the DNS infrastructure to ferret out the true IP address of e-mail senders in an attempt to defeat the address-spoofing that is de rigeur for spammers. Gates said the system may be up and running by this summer.
Sounds like they plan to have their own White List of ISPs that play nice with M$. I wonder M$ will leverage this new free spyware tool to lock out smaller competing email systems that will be marked as "unsafe" by default.
Bingo. People here on /. tend to forget that prefering linux doesn't mean that microsoft is always wrong.
Maybe there are more exploits to be found in MS code than should really be the case, but that doesn't mean we should be knocking them for sandbagging the leaks as best they can.
It seems to me that things are improving in MS land and, while I'll always prefer free/open source software, I won't be actively trying to find things to criticise when the beast actually does something right.
I find that when I use this software, it still misses a bit, and I still have to use Ad-aware SE, which still misses a bit, and I still have to use Spybot. And then I'm ok.....sometimes......
Quite frankly, valuing one anti-spyware software over another is foolish. It has been proven over time that no anti-spyware software has been a true solution, and that using more than one is the best way to go. I would never replace one anti-spyware product with another in any near future. Rather, I would add it to the list of anti-spyware software that I already use. That being said, I still like MS Antispyware, because it has a few tools on there to get rid of shell hooks and the rest of that noise. I just don't depend on it. I've run into countless issues where MSAS didn't get rid of a problem, and then when I ran Adaware SE, it DID get rid of the problem. BUT I've also seen it happen vice-versa, hence why I use a plethora of anti-spyware software and not just one program.
"No one is more miserable than the person who wills everything and can do nothing." -Emperor Claudius 10 BC - AD 54
I like the software, too. I'm not sure it catches everything, but it seems to do a pretty good job. Plus, for the features present in Microsoft/Giant Antispyware alone, I had been running a whole host of free tools (spybot, adaware, spywareguard, spywareblaster, hijackthis!). I thought it was good software when made by the Giant Company, and so a free (and hopefully improved) version should be a nice thing to have.
It is very nice of MS to offer this program "free"...
Well, like I said, it's nice that it's free, but I wouldn't say that Microsoft is "being nice" by releasing it. They're merely protecting their business interests. People/businesses really are looking at OSX and Linux more and more as feasible alternatives to Windows, and with all the frustration people are experiencing associated with spyware, Microsoft is looking at a problem that could potentially be huge. They have a much better chance of maintaining their market dominance if they can demonstrate that Windows is a secure platform and that Microsoft is committed to keeping up with new security threats.
BTW, I'm not complaining. I'm not saying, "Microsoft if evil because they're only doing this to keep their OS on top!" I don't think it's bad for a business to try to please their customers for the sake of long-term profitability (which this seems to be). What I have a hard time with is when businesses try to screw their customers for the sake of perceived profitability (which MS seems to do as well). In neither case, however, is Microsoft being "nice".
If I recall correctly, IE7 will only run on XP or Longhorn, correct? What about Windows 2000, which is still "fully supported"?
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What product are you using that is better than MSFT's new tool. I have found that it cleans better than Ad-Ware and Spybot. I used to run both tools to clean up what the other could not, however since installing the MSFT product, I have only had t orun one.
Is this a legal risk for Microsoft? They are providing an add-on for their operating systems that prevents certain applications from working properly. Sure, these applications aren't popular but many of them are legal.
"Microsoft is doing the Right Thing (tm) here, and all you have for them is more snide remarks?"
The right thing to do would be to fix or remove the entry points malicious software uses to compromise a system. Since I.E. and Active-X are the entry points for the vast majority of malicious programs, and Microsoft has been unable to fix them after many years, the right thing to do would be to remove Active-X and and to remove I.E.'s ability to automatically execute code.
When the program scans, it flags media files and reports them to the MS Anti Spyware community website. Not a problem, but because the program also sends what is known as "basic computer information" including IP address, hardware GUIDs etc, and if it finds
The.Aviator.FullDVDRip.avi 793MB
it will autmatically flag it as suspicious and by the same token share that information with "the MS Anti Spyware Community".
The lesson is, if you use this program TURN OFF THE COMMUNITY UPDATE FACILITY.
"It's not your information. It's information about you" - John Ford, Vice President, Equifax
Isn't this just another anti-trust lawsuit in waiting? I'm sure Lavasoft, McAfee, and Symantec will have something to say. Most of us want a more secure windows world (even me, I use OS X) so I can't fault MS for trying to do better, but what are they thinking?
Clearly there is a thriving market for anti-virus/ anti-spyware software, so MS jumping in with a free product doesn't bode well. If MS had added this product before they they created a market for it, fine. Really what MS should do is remove the market - then it's difficult to complain they are competing unfairly. That would mean producing a more secure OS, which I thought was their top priority for over 3 years now.
I don't mean to bash, the more antispyware the better, I'm just curious... where will this lead?
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...for better security and anti-spyware. It's called "Longhorn".
They're really going to spin this right in front of the consumer's eyes. They distributed a buggy, hole-ridden system to some huge percentage of computers out there, and now they'll charge people to get off of it with the promise of fixes to these holes.
What I really don't get (or like) is how they'll charge for the betas when they come out. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing when I saw it for XP. Who the hell pays money to test their pre-release software? I can understand downloading and testing a beta for free for the good of the community, but to offload testing costs to the consumer (perhaps even making a profit!) is either stupidity or genius.
Actually, I guess it's genius, considering the success of the program.
There's no "make up your minds". Microsoft designed the system poorly, and now they're having to hack together a solution that's still not going to solve the problem.
Why should I cut them slack? Why should I not bag on their shoddy workmanship?
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
The reason I think it is "free" is because if it costs money it wont sell. Ironically, since its made by Micro$oft you'll probably end up paying for it somehow. The last security "update" was SP2. For non IE users, or to word that better, non idiots, that did nothing. For IE users, or idiots, it did nothing. Micro$oft wouldn't have to buy the "anti" spyware program if SP2 actually did its job. In my opinion, they would still release it just for the hell of it. Trust me, they will end up directly making money from this.