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Richard Clarke on Microsoft security
hizzo writes "Richard Clarke, former White House cybersecurity and counterterrorism adviser, harshly critized Microsoft's security track record. 'Given their record in the security area, I don't know why anybody would buy from them.' He also called for some regulation of security for ISPs in addition to better industry self-regulation, such as disclosing QA practices and becoming more accountable for secure code. I wonder if anyone will finally start listening to him?"
If people don't listen to their computers getting nuked or their info stolen or any other direct impact upon themselves, they're not going to listen to a pundit.
Given their record in the security area, I don't know why anybody would buy from them.
Maybe because people aren't aware of the alternatives that are out there (Mac and Linux) or simply resist change.
Richard Clarke is some kind of expert on computer security? Where are his credentials on the subject?
Just because a person is an expert in one area doesn't mean he knows jack about other areas.
Look at most nerds here. They're pretty smart about computers, but idiots about politics.
A story only a few hours ago on how Microsoft shines on security.
Fact: any box is as secure at the admin makes it.
Move along.
Clarke does deserve some kudos as the only responsible government official to apologize to the 9-11 victims's families.
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
Oh come on, watch something other than Fox and read something other than NewsMax and FreeRepublic for once. :P
Lets take a wide gander here. You've never read his book. You didn't listen to his testimony - only selective excerpts and clips. Your knowlege of his history comes from one or two right-wing articles, without ever reading any counters.
I was (foolishly) hoping that this thread wouldn't get dragged into a left-right debate. I was wrong.
"Well, then fire it up and show me what this..." (sigh)
It does very little good for Richard Clarke to say anything about this at all. Richard Clarke alianated everyone on the clinton team (see "Loosing Bin Ladin") and then alianted everyone on Bush's team (who were too focused on keeping another mid level manager from going amuck ala Ollie North). Then he said two seperate things to the 9/11 committee that just happened to change when he cachinged on his book.
It's too bad really. Imagine all of the things that Clarke could have stopped if he realized that he actually had to work with other people.
Lazy. When Linux (any flavor) is as easy to use as Windows (admittedly, Firefox and Open Office are installed on my boxes already), when Linux will run my games with the same "double-click the icon" ease, I'll switch - until then, I don't complain about windows because I know I chose it consciously.
I admit being lazy. Linux needs to earn my respect by catering to my laziness.
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Security issues are a wonderfull way to convince people that the government should regulate IT, but ironically it will actually play to the favor of Microsoft most of all. As soon as regulations start out, it will start increasing the bariers to entry in the IT space.
.... yeah ..... right.
This has happened in every industry it's been attempted in. Plumbing, electricity, telephones, auto-repair. Hell, you can't even sell a hot-dog without going thru 10-20 thousand dollars worth of regulation for it to be legal. Yeah, I know, don't say it. There is always a good sounding reason for these
"In a statement responding to Clarke's comments, Microsoft said it has formalized its internal security efforts by adopting an official life cycle that it uses to develop secure software,[...]"
Just what the hell is that supposed to mean?
The heat from below can burn your eyes out
This tired rhetoric is not going to make them switch. In fact, when people like *you* rant about how stupid *they* are for using Windows, they end up just being alienated from Linux.
Especially when you refer to windows "crashing" or blue screens. Honestly, nobody who uses Windows XP can relate to this. What you need to is, in language that is not insulting or condescending, tell them WHY exactly they would be better off switching, without resorting to lunatic fringe advodacy and Windows faults that nobody has seen since the 20th century...
And always works out SO well.
--And sektor spoke and said unto the people. Hey, buttwipe hand me the cheezeos.
What about OSX? Noone's ever accused that of not being easy.
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Yes, Clinton, who presided over the biggest capital gains in history. Not Bush, who's got a $2.5T budget sending hundreds of billions to state-guaranteed corporate gigs like Halliburton and pharmacos. Yep, Clinton, the communist. Where do you get this stuff? Oh, right - the "news".
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IE and Media Player run at user level privilege, so quit the FUD there.
The reason a hole in one brings the system down isn't because they are integrated, it's because most users run as admin. Firefox holes with the user as an admin will have the same result.
The problem is that you can't rip one out and replace it with something less buggier. Don't like Firefox? Replace it with Opera. Don't like IE? Tough luck.
This is wasteful and disappointing, but it's completely wrong to describe it as "greasing palms."
Congratulations Citizen, you passed the test. Thank you for defending the good corporations of America , here's a coupon for a free Big Mac!
Now go back to your television wall and sit there like a good boy.
94% of Repubs and 21% of Dems voted to renew the Patriot Act
Anybody who has read Clarke's book can see for themselves that he is not some raving madman. He's a professional who has made a career out of imagining the worst, figuring out who's likely to do bad things, and then trying to get others to do what's necessary to prevent the bad things or capture/arrest/kill the bad people. His failure, if you can call it that, is that he was unable to get the current US President to take al Qaeda and the threat of International Terror seriously until after 9/11, and even then, the President was more worried about Saddam Hussein and Iraq than he was about Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden.
It's a testament to the character of that man in that he was the first person to come forward and publicly apologize for 9/11.
I've read the book he wrote about the events before and after (as he saw them) and have followed articles about him. I get the distinct impression that he is the type of person who has 'what if i had have done X' thoughts tormenting him quite often.
This is not a dream, not a dream...we are transmitting from the year 1-9-9-9.
She found someone else to fix it
You've just hit on the real reason people don't switch ... it's because they always find some geek they can sucker into cleaning up the mess each time, for free! Most people don't even have to lift a finger to keep their systems free of malware - there are geeks running around everywhere literally doing free maintenance - it doesn't even so much as inconvenience them, why would they change?
Why exactly are we all running around spending hours of our own weekends/evenings etc. cleaning up the mess Microsoft made for them for free? Is your time and expertise worth nothing? You feel "expected" to do it because it's a family member? Or some hot chick sweet-talked you into doing it by flirting a little? (We all know we've done that before). Utter nonsense ... start charging for it!
People will start considering alternatives when they realise it's going to cost them a tidy little packet every time their systems get jammed up with the latest MS malware.
I simply told my folks last time they bought a computer, if they buy Windows, I'm not supporting it for them, if they buy a Mac I'll support it for them. Don't expect me to spend my Saturday doing free support work for Microsoft.
"Linux was never about laziness." No, but computing and playing games *are* about laziness - computers are tools to help us do more faster: If I'm spending my time learning a new OS, that's time I'm not being productive. Or enjoying my recreation (games). Bash Windows all you want, until Linux can show real competitive advantage in ease-of-use, it will continue to be a minority on desktops. Do you drive an alternatively-fueled vehicle, or do you support the monopolistic petroleum industry? Do you live in an alternative-framed home, or do you support the monpolistic lumber industry? I use tools that I find useful. I have Firefox installed, I have Open Office installed, and I am s-l-o-w-l-y learning about Linux, as I want my next system to be a 64-bit AMD, run fast, without any windows on it at all. Want Linux picked up by more people sooner? Make it easier to use. Nobody has to *like* the 900 lb. gorilla known as american intellectual laziness, but it's where the *vast* majority of market share is. Personally, I'm thankful for it in others, it keeps me employed.
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As others have noted he's a republican, and not on the left.
... so shouldn't your comment more properly have been titled "*I* think Richard Clarke is a liar".
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Apart from that, you call him a liar and yet provide no evidence. How exactly has he lied? He may have made mistakes with the benefit of hindsight, but then he's also apologised (has anyone else?) One of your damning pieces of evidence is that he "sounds like a guy who is BSing"
Personally I thought he was extremely eloquent and surprisingly honest when I watched him giving evidence. I was very impressed.
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That is, until they acquired Sybari Software Inc. in order to fill this gaping need.
The acquisition itself proves MS had little to offer internally. They simply bought it from outside.
Is Sybari's stuff any good?
Ha ha ha. Funny.
It's our jobs as citizens to question our leaders. That's just about the only thing you and I are expected to do, in a representative democracy.
I think she was lying when she said that the contents of "the memo" didn't say that Bin Laden was determined to attack America, because I know for sure that that was the name of the freaking memo.
Or is this some wacky truth test that I'm a moron to use?
Microsoft, like every other business in America, lobbies the government. Just like I lobby the government.
Secretary: "Senator, Microsoft is on line one, and some internet guy who calls himself 'Leo McGarry' is on line two."
Funny. You most assuredly do not lobby the government "just like" Microsoft does.
They throw around more money than any other corporation, you spent less than a buck on a postcard. Sorry for burtsting your bubble, but in this representative democracy, Microsoft's voice carries more weight than yours.
There are lots of middle-men whose job it is to collect public opinion and communicate it to the representatives in Washington.
Again, "ha." These guys find someone who says that a survey says what they want it to, and feed that to representatives. It's not scientific at all. And if Microsoft, oh, I don't know, pays for those surveys, are you seriously so naive as to be surprised if the outcome of the surveys they tell people about say something that's always in favor of Microsoft? (Feel free to replace "Microsoft" with any corporation's name here, by the way.)
They're dishonest. Duh. Put on your ridicule-retardant pants, because you're in for a beating.
Education is the silver bullet.
Markezich certainly wouldn't be the first CIO on the planet who didn't know a f*cking thing about IT.
According to the DOD definition a "Trusted System" is a system with the ability to BREAK your security settings.
You (maybe are forced to) TRUST that the trusted system will do so only in your(?) best interests. You don't trust anyone else.
Trusted systems are not normally systems that have earned your trust from years of service to you, they are by nature, hierarchical systems to which you surrender your trust.
Is there anyone or anything you really trust that much?
There is not nearly enough love in the world, but there is far too much trust.
"The market is demanding security now, and that hard work is going forward already," said Amy Roberts, director of product management in Microsoft's Security Business and Technology Unit, in the statement.
Isn't security something we should expect and not have to demand?
What a bunch of crap. Lobbyists don't educate, they advocate. They are paid to convince your representative to act in a manner which is unlikely to be in the best interest of the majority of their constituents.
As for "shouldn't business be given the opportunity to express itself", I say no. A corporation (despite that abomination of a court ruling) is not a person. It's interests are often in conflict with those that are supposedly being represented by the congressperson. Yet its voice is magnified by the millions of dollars of influence it wields. It is a legal form of bribery.
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> The left in America (I'm sorry, the People's
> Republic of America) seem to love the guy, but for > the open minded who desire to learn more about him > I submit:
People's Republic of America. That's cute.
It's probably true that a great number of people who want to believe Clarke's account are anti-Bush, but that hardly means they're liberal. I know a great number of conservatives who have no love for Bush or his administration and their policies (foreign or domestic, take your pick).
Even as cosmetic details in Clarke's accounts of meetings with the President differed, the points he made are clearly valid. Even the people who don't like him and feel he's an opportunist agree with him on that account.
You can dress a cat up like a pirate, that doesn't change the fact that it's a cat.
P.S. I'm not sure what that last bit means, I just like the image.
my opinion is currently not wearing any pants.
Its is all about the combination of benefits. Corporations had limited liability and limited rights later the Supreme Court read the 14th amendment as giving human rights to property, thus giving human rights to limited liability legal structures. So now they have the benefit of limited liability and the right to speech moreover money is now considered a form of speech. Therefore corporation may make money illegally, then use that money to affect government. This is just as fucked up as letting churches make money tax free and then letting them use that money to affect government. Its fucking wrong and un-American and need to be stopped. If you want to express your opinion as a business then take the money out of it, pay taxes and be subject to personal limits.
COPRPORATIONS SHOULD NOT HAVE MORE RIGHT THAN A HUMAN BEING.
I think you'll find Microsoft "threw in big" with pretty much everyone, as a direct result of the antitrust suit.
That's why it's so important to confront it in public. Free speech is very powerful, especially compared with the supression techniques used by "know nothings" against it. And it's very pleasing to express one's self righteously. Especially when the subject is so important, like one's safety from attacks in a place like my home, New York City, and the twits yammering in their echo chambers are so safely removed from reality. That makes it even more rewarding when someone pops up to agree - it can be loney at the truth cafe :).
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He's a liar? Let's see some backup on that. I believe that he didn't know how to make or defuse a bomb when he was terrorism czar. Every cyberterror chief, including him, and the one who came from Symantec, has quit in disgust. And our "cyber" infrastructure is a flammable house of cards. I'd say anyone who's stayed in that office is not fit to be quoted in anything, least of all their opinion of someone who was willing to quit and talk about their ridiculous performance over there. So you're just drinking the koolaid from the Bush fountain. Hope their happy talk is keeping you safe.
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No, it's not. Microsoft, like every other business in America, lobbies the government. Just like I lobby the government every time I write my Congressman a letter. It's called "representative democracy."
When you lobby Congress, it's a representative democracy.
When a business, which is not a human being or citizen but a legal construct, lobbies Congress, it is something altogether different.
Those "failed socialist regimes" are kicking our ass - haven't you noticed that the Euro is up over 30% since its introduction? No one knows what "HillaryCare" would have done - the Republican Congress's version (boosted by Bush's $750B pharma-welfare last year) is responsible for most of the remaining debt. In spite of Clinton's paydown of the Reagan/Bush debt. Which Bush Jr immediately squandered, creating trillions of new debt every year. We're staring down a $3T budget right now, financed by unprecedented (and unsupportable) debt, all after 4 years of Bush, his Republican Congress, and little denied. Where rightwingers come off lecturing about debt, failed regimes, and even socialism (like our version, state capitalism, corporate welfare) is beyond me. They get called "heartless" because "mindless" gets repetitive after a while.
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Sometimes even trolls speak the truth.
Cheers,
Greg
It's called "representative democracy."
Ah, so MS gets to vote now, eh? Sorry, but a representative democracy is one where the officials serve the interests of those that elect them. MS or any other company isn't part of that equation.
Lobbying is a means to influence the perception of representation. Don't listen to the voters, listen to me - I employ the voters, I service the voters, etc. and can serve as a proxy for them. It's the suggestion that representatives should act in MSs interests because MSs interests are to some degree the interests of those that MS employs, or are the interests of the community at large because the money that MS brings to the economy provides benefits to the community that the govt. does not need to provide.
Unfortunately, the trend in representative governance is to place significant emphasis on the economic role of government, which companies do play a part in, over all the other roles of government, such as national security, civil rights, individual liberty, and so on. Of course, that's really what corporate lobbyists do - make sure the economic message is the strongest one in any any public debate.
BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
Now, the...
BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.
RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste...
BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the...
RICE: I would like to finish my point here.
BEN-VENISTE: I didn't know there was a point.
RICE: Given that -- you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.
BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.
RICE: You said, did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.
Where is the word "airplane" or "weapon" anywhere in that conversation? You're so full of bullshit, and you have no desire to find out if you're wrong.
It also did not point to "possible hijackings." According to Dr. Rice, it was entirely historical. Unfortunately for her, the word "determined" means "on an unwavering course of action". That means, "will continue to be." That means, "in the future," or "not just historical." That means, she was wrong or lying.
Who's the moron now, you moron?
They represent a hell of a lot more jobs than I do.
No - the people who work there represent a lot more jobs. Microsoft doesn't represent anything except shareholders.
It's not supposed to be. You're not one of those people who mistakenly thinks everything is about the scientific method, are you?
Facts are clean, and politicians are greasy. The scientific method is the best way I know to determine facts (even facts about opinions). Tell me a better way, and I'll use it.
Until then, Microsoft greases palms, and you're an idiot for thinking they're just exercising their first amendment rights - it's a corporation, not a person. And they're buying votes. The votes that belong only and precisely to you, as a citizen of the democracy that they were elected to represent. If you don't care that you're being screwed, it's because you have no idea what being a citizen means.
When the army that's supposed to defend you starts torturing people, will you sit idly by?
Oh wait, that already happened - and yes, you are sitting idly by.
Does "America" mean anything to you, other than corporate profit and protection from terrorists?
Education is the silver bullet.
And how he used to speak eloquently about the noble plight of the lumpenproletariat?
Lumpenproletariat? That would centainly disqualify him as a communist. Marx introduced the concept 'lumpenproletariat' to refer to people of low class outside the productive wage-labor system. These people were considered a force hostile to the revolution of the proletariat. I don't think Marx considered these people 'noble'.
If I tested my code like that, I'd never get another contract.
Justin.
You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.