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Study Points to Sixth Sense in Humans

Ben Sullivan writes "St. Louis researchers say there's something to the notion of a 'sixth sense' in humans. A part of the brain known as the cingulate cortex, they've found, likely combines multiple, sometimes unconscious data streams to come to conclusions and send warning signals to the conscious mind. Example: Aboriginal tribesmen somehow sensed the impending danger of December's tsunami in time to flee to higher ground before the first sign of water."

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  1. I have the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...this topic is going to generate a lot of flames.

    1. Re:I have the feeling by Rollie+Hawk · · Score: 3, Funny

      It will not you freaking moron!

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    2. Re:I have the feeling by unixbugs · · Score: 3, Funny

      I knew you would say that.

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    3. Re:I have the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      this topic is going to generate a lot of flames.

      You are more than right. I'm going to talk about firefighter.

      There is a firefighter who survived from a burning house which was just about to collapse, without any clear signs about it going to happen.

      The mind of this person recogniced several different signs from which none was anything to be scared of. For example more smoke than usual or less smoke than usual, the temperature was not what it is normally. The noise fire makes sounded a little different etc. Several different unnormal events together triggered the danger sence in his mind and he came out from the house. There were other firefighters with him, who senced nothing. (Luckily the person was able to convince the other to leave the building also.)

      You could call that the sixth sence, but it is normal brainwork. We are scared of new things like computers and robots for a good reason. New things can kill us. On the other hand, new things like computers and robots can bring us much good, so part of the population like them instead of being scared of them.

      About tsunami survivors:
      If they didn't see the stunami from waterlevels, they might have noticed it from running animals, strange bird behaviour, or anything like that.

    4. Re:I have the feeling by fr2asbury · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a bad feeling about this.

  2. Isn't.... by Seabass55 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that called being "the one"?

    1. Re:Isn't.... by hoborocks · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, it's "the six". rtfa.

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  3. Tsunami by kdark1701 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Example: Aboriginal tribesmen somehow sensed the impending danger of December's tsunami in time to flee to higher ground before the first sign of water." I do not envy the person who gets to tell the tsunami survivors: "You should have saw it coming"

    1. Re:Tsunami by I+Be+Hatin' · · Score: 2, Funny
      I do not envy the person who gets to tell the tsunami survivors: "You should have saw it coming"

      I don't envy someone with such poor grammar either.

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    2. Re:Tsunami by AngryAzul · · Score: 5, Informative

      Although it does seem that aboriginal people were forewarned, this is more responsibly attributed to their tradition of paying close attention to wildlife. While it is not well understood, animals seem to be more sensitive to the subtle environmental changes that precede events like earthquakes and tsunamis, and it's very smart of these people to take notice when the animals all flee to higher ground. BBC News article about this subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4144405.stm

    3. Re:Tsunami by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Funny
      I don't envy someone with such poor grammar either.

      Poor grammar either? What is that? Can it even be had?

    4. Re:Tsunami by Ithika · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's probably not "wildlife" in the general sense, but some small set of animals whose physical senses will play up whenever the earth undergoes strenuous subterranean activity. The rest of the animals - and aborigines - just haven't lost the habit of paying attention to each other.

    5. Re:Tsunami by anopres · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man, that's sad. She's not even bothering to fake it.

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    6. Re:Tsunami by bcmm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It seems almost common sense to move away from the sea if it does something unusual. I wonder what it says about modern culture that most didn't...

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    7. Re:Tsunami by Buzzard2501 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Aboriginals are just indigenous people. From wikipedia:
      Indigenous peoples are:
      • Peoples living in an area prior to colonization by a state
      • Peoples living in an area within a nation-state, prior to the formation of a nation-state, but who do not identify with the dominant nation.
      • The descendants of either of the above
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    8. Re:Tsunami by antiMStroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What it says is frightening, the same message you get from watching clips of Darwinian actors trying to pet a wild moose or bear. My childhood years were spent in the industrial Midwest and I would never think petting a moose is a good idea, what kind of childhood leads someone to believe it is?

    9. Re:Tsunami by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, you could have something here.

      I live in an earthquake-prone area, and just a couple of minutes ago my dog suddenly indicated a frantic need to leave the building I live in.

      Remarkably, he was able to promptly demonstrate that had I not let him out, a local flood might have occurred!

    10. Re:Tsunami by martinoforum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "may be different those those attuned to earthquakes (prior to which I believe even cats and dogs have been shown to get agitated)"

      I can confirm that. We had a medium-sized earthquake down in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand when I was a kid (big enough that it was mildly frightening, not big enough to break anything major) and about thirty seconds before the first shock hit our cat went apeshit trying to get out of the house. It got outside, bolted off down the driveway and found itself a bit open space to run around in. We all went outside to watch, and then the first shock hit.

      Quite interesting.

    11. Re:Tsunami by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, this isn't exactly secret knowledge. I grew up on the American West Coast, and I remember being taught about "tidal waves" in grade school. Not that there had been one of any size in living memory, of course. But we were taught that if we saw the ocean water retreating more rapidly than an ordinary tide, we should try to get away from the shore to avoid the incoming wave that would follow.

      I'd bet that this is known to shore dwellers almost everywhere. Of course, some people are too stupid to listen when their teachers try to tell them about such things. (And some teachers are probably too stupid to teach it. ;-)

      But it's hardly the sort of knowledge that's restricted to a privileged few. Not if it's taught to American children.

      Of course, later on they finally admitted that "tidal wave" was a bad term, unless you live in one of the estuaries that actually has tidal bores. So we were taught a funny new Japanese word ...

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  4. Haha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had a feeling this article was coming.

    1. Re:Haha! by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a feeling we will see it again on the front page tomorrow as well.


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    2. Re:Haha! by Xeo+024 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're a subscriber?

  5. Higher ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did the aboriginal tribemen ever go to higher ground when there wasn't a tsunami, or was this the first time they went there?

    1. Re:Higher ground by robomepp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a report on NPR, (and I can't get more specific because I was driving), it was stated that there are little used nerve endings in our knee cartilage that evolved specifically for the purpose of detecting earth tremors. I can remember one time in my life when I sensed a very faint earth tremor (I live in a geologically stable region) and I sensed it through my knees, as I recall (I confirmed it via a news report later). Tribal people, living in a quiet setting, are probably more attuned to the sensations delivered by these nerves. Also, if their ears are very keen (not damaged by headphones, machinery, and too-loud speakers, as mine are), perhaps they could detect infrasonic sounds associated with an earthquate of the extreme magnitude of that one. Animals certainly are very good at detecting infrasonics, so the tribal peoples could have noted animal movements prior to the tsunami.

  6. Not another pseudoscience story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Aboriginal tribesmen somehow sensed the impending danger of December's tsunami in time to flee to higher ground before the first sign of water"

    No, they fled to higher ground after they saw the water level drop knowing that it would come back up the same amount that it dropped.

    1. Re:Not another pseudoscience story by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, they recognised the signs, there was even an interview with some of the tribesmen on TV where they explained this. In a similar vein there was a story about a young girl of who noticed that the sea had gone "all funny", realised that it might be what her geography teacher had told them about tsunami the previous term and got her family to flee. In both cases a "sixth sense" had nothing to do with it; it was just recognising the available signs for what they were and acting accordingly.

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    2. Re:Not another pseudoscience story by pVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree with you but there is some merit in this. Not enough to make a story called "the sixth sense" though.

      All IMHO, the brain is a humongous pattern matching system. It learns by ways of emotional or genetic reinforcment. It might very well be that in fact seeing animals flee, even if they're just walking uphill might trigger a dormant pattern and pop up a completely irrational thought that maybe it's time to go up too.

      But this is the equivalent of software. Not an additional hardware function that perceives stuff (the sixth sense). That would be like calling intelligence your 7th sense.

    3. Re:Not another pseudoscience story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of them I remember seeing interviewed on CNN said that their ascestors, in stories handed down, told them to flee from the beach if the water runs away.

      Looks like their educational system saved them.

  7. heh by Phil246 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It would be more useful to know precisely what triggers it, and why - then saying it merely exists.

    Im sure most people have at one point in their lives for an unexplainable reason (till now i guess) done something other then what they wanted to - and was better off because of it.

  8. I use my sixth sense all the time... by eboot · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's true! Everyday I use anonymous communication/travel methods in order to stop big brother from monitoring me. I don't have any evidence there watching me, I just feel it, because of my sixth sense you see.

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    1. Re:I use my sixth sense all the time... by piotr+alfredovich · · Score: 2, Funny
      Everyday I use anonymous communication/travel methods in order to stop big brother from monitoring me. I don't have any evidence there watching me, I just feel it, because of my sixth sense you see.
      Maybe it's because you're using anonymous communication methods they're watching you.

      Picture it:
      The NSA has just spent teraflops breaking your mixmastered messages and all they get is the loveletter you sent to the Bush twins.
  9. Aboriginal tribesmen by shreevatsa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, AFAIK, the tribesmen affected by the tsunami (were they aboriginal? I don't know) knew to run to high places for safety not because of any sixth sense, but because of wisdom passed down the generations saying that whenever water in the ocean very quickly receded, it would soon come gushing and flood them. No sixth sense there!

  10. Duh by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your sense of balance in your inner ear is your sixth sense (it's a sense of gravity). It just doesn't get any credit.

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    1. Re:Duh by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not a sense (i.e. an input into your brain) .. it's your brain's model your body's current position. And it can get out of sync with reality, which is why baseball players punch their mitt before making a catch.

    2. Re:Duh by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are several 'senses' that are really just reprocessing of information gathered from other senses. When something is right in front of you, the sound around you changes - there is a dead spot where you were previously hearing things. Similar 'dead spot' effects can be caused by a shadow over your eyes or the hairs on your skin being protected from whatever air currents were previously there. I personally find that passive echo location works well for me when I'm in a dark room. I don't squeek like a bat or anything... just hearing the changes in ambient sound can tell you when you're near a wall or something.

    3. Re:Duh by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative
      Your sense of balance in your inner ear is your sixth sense (it's a sense of gravity). It just doesn't get any credit.

      Yeah, the whole "five senses" thing is crap from ancient greek philosophy. It's more accurate than their "four elements", but it's still not correct. There are numerous other senses. Balance (as you mentioned), sensed by the motion of fluid in the inner ear; proprioception/kinesthesia (as another poster mentioned), sensing body position; There are several "internal" senses-- hunger, full bladder, etc.-- as well. Basically, anything that your nervous system consciously registers (internal or external) is a sense. Technically, that tingling feeling you get just before a lightning strike during a thunder storm could be called your "sense of lightning". At best, those five senses Aristotle and his contemporaries enumerated could be called "the five most obvious external senses".

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    4. Re:Duh by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but I always felt that the "5 senses" were intended to be pretty general. Therefore, I'd group a sense of touch/feel as encompassing all those "internal senses" anyway. (You can "feel" that your bladder is full, just as you can "feel" pain or "feel" hunger.)

      It still seems like a very valid point that it's flawed when it comes to not mentioning our sense of "balance" though. The sense of body position is an interesting one... Amputees often report having sensations that their missing appendage is still there, so this "sense" appears to be rather "hard-wired" to provide "static" feedback to the brain, which may not be accurate at all if the "givens" of having all of one's body parts in place isn't met.

  11. Of course, they couldn't very well interview by Snarfangel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the ones that headed for the coast at the first sign of danger.

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  12. Re:Stop with the damn "paranormal" stories!!! by NoseBag · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suggest you RTFA.

    I did - expecting to read exactly what you expressed. I was pleasantly surprised.

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  13. Speaking for myself here... by radiotyler · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...described by some scientists as part of the brain's 'oops' center..."

    My brains "oops" center is located in a more southern and groinular region.

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  14. Ugh by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

    Calling this a "sixth sense" is very misleading. The normal five senses - sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell, for those few who don't already know - involve the intake of information through specialized organs or tissues (eyes, ears, skin, etc.) in addition to the processing of those stimuli. This so-called "sixth sense" is simply the subconscious reprocessing of the same information obtained by the regular five senses (and that description misses the real point of the discovery anyway*), and so it hardly qualifies as a sense.

    * The point of the discovery is that the region of the brain discussed in the article helps to determine, based on past experience and the current situation, whether something is a bad idea or not.

  15. Good ole synchronicity by Lobo93 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slashcode decides to print this fortune when I enter the article:

    When you're dining out and you suspect something's wrong, you're probably right.

    Well, better head back to the Dreamland...(and no, that's not the name of the new Arnold restaurant)

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  16. Every mother knows this by T1girl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Amazing how moms develop that "eyes in the back of the head." A sudden silence, absence of noise or motion around the house, and you just know the toddler is unravelling the toilet paper or eting out of the dog's dish (hey, it looks like Cheerios), or leaning over to retrieve a toy from the edge of the swimming pool. This extends to the tiniest facial expressions that tell you your kid's lying or troubled about something, or you notice the cookie jar lid is slightly awry, or someone got into your purse and didn't close it quite right, or a thousand other little signals. It probably helps the species survive.
    I can't explain the tsunami warning phenomenon, but a lot of subtle perceptions lie close to the surface, and I think there's a scientific explanation for everything.

    1. Re:Every mother knows this by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Like Chad Pennington playing football for the NY Jets. Once, he was about to get sacked on his blind side by a linebacker who broke through blocking. Pennington instinctively scrambled out and rushed for a touchdown without ever seeing the pass-rusher. When asked about the play, he said that he had a feeling that he had to get out of there. What really happened, probably, was that he saw too few men on the field in front of his and knew there had to be someone behind him. However, this realization was on some subconscious level and that's probably what this article is talking about.

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    2. Re:Every mother knows this by Finuvir · · Score: 3, Informative
      When people say we only use 10% of our brains they are technically most likely correct but very misleading. As you read this you're using the parts of your brain that control eye movement, word recognition, and sentence parsing. As I type I'm using the parts controlling finger movement, eye movement, hand-eye coordination, lexical memory, grammar, syntax.

      I'm not using the part that lets me recognise someone's mood from their expression because I'm alone in this room right now. I'm not using the parts that let me plan my route through a location that I have a mental map of in memory as I would when walking to the shop, since I'm ust sitting still.

      The brain is composed of many interacting parts with quite specific jobs. We use the parts we need to use at any time. It's a myth to think that we could be more productive if we could somehow harness the unused "brain power" and use 100% of our brains at once. In fact we're more productive when we use only the parts that are directly relevant to the task at hand. There are people who tend to use more of their brains at any one time than the rest of us. We call that phenomenon ADD, attention deficit disorder.

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  17. I've always known about this by Spacejock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was 9 or 10 I climbed onto the neighbour's roof to get a model plane back. There was a staircase leading up to a flat area, a two foot wall and then the roof itself. I climbed that wall onto the tiles and put my hand out to grab the railing (a kind of stranded black wire).

    Then I realised it was an overhead power line. There were four of them, crossing the house at shoulder level.

    I don't know what made me stop my hand, inches from grabbing hold of that high voltage wire, but I've made the most of my life ever since. (And I never got that damned plane back, either.)

    1. Re:I've always known about this by jwcorder · · Score: 4, Informative

      You could have grabbed it. It would not have shocked you. Unless you touched another one of the wires or you were grounded some how. Asphalt shingles or or clay tiles will insulate you enough that you can hold onto that wire. I do it all the time when I clean my gutters out.

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    2. Re:I've always known about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know what made me stop my hand, inches from grabbing hold of that high voltage wire, but I've made the most of my life ever since.

      BS. What are you doing on Slashdot then?

    3. Re:I've always known about this by Greg@UF · · Score: 2, Informative

      The tiles might insulate you, they might not.

      For instances, they might be wet, or have moss growing on them.

      Never touch power lines unless you're trained to do so and have taken the appropriate safety precautions.
      You're just asking for trouble - well, death, actually.

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  18. Also, from the article: by shreevatsa · · Score: 5, Informative
    In addition to what I just said, I also read TFA and found this:
    Researchers provided study participants with a series of blue or white cues and asked them to push one button or another depending on the direction of arrows. Brain imaging suggested that an area of the brain had learned to recognize that blue cues indicated a greater potential for error, thus providing an early warning signal that negative consequences were likely to follow their behavior.

    The rest of the article says essentially the same thing -- the brain learns to recognise a pattern of making mistakes, not that is able to sense impending danger before it happens or whatever.
    The slashdot summary needlessly sensationalised this simple fact.
  19. How do we know... by astroblaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that the aboriginals weren't just following the animals?

  20. Cold Fusion by gvc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Real scientific results are reported in scientific venues like professional conferences and peer-reviewed journals. Not press releases.

  21. Sixth sense by cphilo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an ex-cowboy (I'm from Montana), I can tell you that animals have sharp senses, and can find a small spring of water in a 10 square mile desert. If you spend enough time away from the noise, smells and chaos of civilization, you also develop sharp senses and can sense weather changes and natural phenomenon. Once in the city (when I live now) there is so much noise, weird smells and chaotic energy, this ability fades. I have no doubt that the aborigines sensed the Tsunami.

    1. Re:Sixth sense by omaha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree with this. Living in a city or any highly populated area tends to create a lot of "white noise" for the 5 senses. However, I don't think that the ability fades, it's more about being squelched out by the noise/inteference. I can still predict rain by smell. No, not that there is a chance of rain but how long until it starts falling. Everyone can see the clouds but as the rain approaches there is a definite change in the smell of things that grows stronger as it approaches.

      Also, IMHO, you spend more neural processing time on the environmental inputs the farther you are away from civilization.

  22. Yeah, for example by sam_handelman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm able to use my synaesthetic powers to detect complete bullshit!

    It's true that there is definitely a region of the brain that manages anxiety - and that all sorts of things can make people anxious - seemingly for no reason!

    However, neurotic != psychic. There are no *new senses* under discussion here, just a better understanding of how the brain manages that feeling of impending doom you sometimes get.

    Do other mammals have similar brain structures? Yes.

    Do they probably use them to avoid danger, incl. forest fires and tsunamis? Almost certainly.

    Do we, higher mammals, probably retain whatever hard-coded sensory cues cause our little forest friends to flee natural disasters? We probably do, yes. When someone is in the supermarket and they have a panic attack for no reason, might it be because the kiwi display is triggering the same mechanism that is supposed to make us flee from a tsunami? Maybe.

    "In the past, we found activity in the ACC when people had to make a difficult decision among mutually exclusive options, or after they made a mistake," Brown said. "But now we find that this brain region can actually learn to recognize when you might make a mistake, even before a difficult decision has to be made. So the ACC appears to act as an early warning system -- it learns to warn us in advance when our behavior might lead to a negative outcome, so that we can be more careful and avoid making a mistake."

    This has nothing to do with psychic powers! Fucking idiot journalists.

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  23. A new icon needed in ./ by stm2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Last week black box project (or global conscientious), now the "six sense", shouldn't a PSEUDOSCIENCIE icon needed in Slashdot?

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    1. Re:A new icon needed in ./ by fafalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only after a moderation option for 'doesn't know what they're talking about' is added.
      Whether you agree with calling it a sixth sense or not, they observed an effect, formulated a hypothesis, designed and executed an experiment with sound methodology in a controlled environment, and applied the results to validating their hypothesis. Their theory is supported by scientific evidence and can be used to predict new things. This is science, and is quite obviously not pseudoscience if one RTFA.

  24. Re:So THAT'S how Bush won! by eclectic4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You watched the "herd" run to higher ground and you followed?

    Well, that doesn't sound very hard...

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  25. More than six already by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We already know we have way more than six senses. The idea that we only have six is one of those enduring fictions which we've inherited as part of our cultural mix.

    Just try closing your eyes and touching your fingertips together. That's your sense of location working. Ever fly in an aerobatic aircraft? That strange feeling in your stomach is your sense of acceleration telling you which direction you're being shoved in. There are plenty more, if you care to think about them.

    The headline is misleading though. The activity being measured in the tests;
    "an early warning system -- one that monitors environmental cues, weighs possible consequences and helps us adjust our behavior to avoid dangerous situations."

    is a consequence of analysis, not sensation. It looks like we have mechanism in brains which can reflexively assess and respond to novel dangers.
    Quelle surprise...
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    1. Re:More than six already by jc42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are species than are known to use small crystals of magnetite to detect the Earth's magnetic field. Many bacteria do this, so it's believed to be an ancient mechanism. There's debate about whether humans have this sense, because isolated magnetite crystals have been found in some human cells, but not enough to be convincing. Some birds seem to have cells with enogh magnetite to convince biologists that it's part of a magnetic sense, and those birds can be confused if you have them fly through a magnetic field that's "wrong".

      Many birds are known to be sensitive to the polarization of light. Some birds use this for navigation when enough blue sky is visible to make it work. Some kinds of fish (e.g. trout), molluscs (squid, cuttlefish) and insects are also known to be able to detect polarization of light.

      Quite a few years ago, I spent some time experimenting with polarizing filters on my camera. After a while, I started to realize that I could "see" the polarization of light. Ask around among photographers, and you'll find that this is common and not considered anything remarkable. In the case of humans, the physical mechanism isn't known. The light just looks different somehow, and you know how to rotate the filter to get the effect you want.

      There are still a lot of things to be learned about senses, ours and other animals'.

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  26. Re:So THAT'S how Bush won! by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Informative


    Other possible ones would be hunger, thirst, diziness, nausea from food poisoning, etc.

    The difference is those aren't senses of the outside world, but rather feelings about the state of your own body. That doesn't mean they aren't relavent or as "real" as the normal 5 senses, but they aren't really a sense in the same way that smell or sight is. I can't say to someone else "hey, do you feel that hunger over their?"

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  27. No it doesn't by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about the guys who "got a feeling" they should head to higher ground when there wasn't a tsunami coming? What about the guys who didn't get a feeling when it was?

    People get feelings and act on them all the time. We only hear about the rare times when they coincide with an actual event.

  28. Re:So THAT'S how Bush won! by Ithika · · Score: 3, Funny

    > "hey, do you feel that hunger over their?" No, you couldn't, or you'd get slaughtered by the slashdot spelling nazis! :)

  29. The aborginals fled after they read the signs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which included beached deep-water fish due to seismic activity, retreating seas and the other classic signs. Nothing sixth sense about it. Anyone watching and dealing with the environment on a daily basis would have noticed it. In fact, fishermen off the coast of kerala in India warned the government that something was "fishy" when their catches started turning up unusual numbers of rare red-tailed deep-water fishes. Most people chose to ignore these warnings.

  30. But can it... by aj50 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...be used to make peril sensitive sunglasses?

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  31. Sounds like Bayesian filtering... by danielrm26 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...rather than a sixth sense. Just as many have pointed out, it's still the 5 senses that are doing the input gathering here -- it's just that another part of the brain is doing some number crunching.

    I liken it to Bayesian because it seems to be based on analyzing what happened in the past in order to attempt to predict what is *going* to happen in the future.

    For spam:
    Stuff with these characters are often spam, let's bump this score up a bit.
    For danger:
    Everytime x happens, y seems to happen afterwards, so I should flee.

    This isn't magic, guys. It's just another advantage of the subconcious doing work behind the scenes. /., like Wired, is just prone to blowing these sorts of stories out of proportion.

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    1. Re:Sounds like Bayesian filtering... by danielrm26 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sorry to inform you that Bayesian is no longer a techno-buzz-word. Last year, it was acceptable to apply the word Bayesian to any sort of stastical process and sound like a genius.

      Ah, you belong here at Slashdot. Your sense of sarcasm is highly tuned. Unfortunately, I think this is like Bayesian Inference.

      From Wikipedia: Bayesian inference is statistical inference in which probabilities are interpreted not as frequencies or proportions or the like, but rather as degrees of belief.

      I can't help but see the similarities between taking in a bunch of evidence and subconcsiously adjusting how much you believe you are in danger as a result. In Bayesian spam filtering, there are values assigned to how dangerous a given input is already, and this is obviously not as clear in the case of a human brain doing the same to given environemental conditions, but the similarity is still interesting.

      We obviously can't say this is exactly like Bayesian filtering, since we don't know how it works for humans exactly; the point is, the human mind appears to be incrementally adjusting its perception of danger according to various dynamic variables. If you can't see the similarity there, then relax a bit -- you're trying too hard to be the sarcasm-weilding, skeptical guy that loves nothing more than going on the attack.

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  32. Science beats pseudoscience every time by dustmite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the local indigenous people had stories handed down over generations from their ancestors who had also suffered through a tsunami, and from these stories some of them recognized the warning signs and knew what to do. No mystical explanation required in that case.

    A good example of the value that even conventional science holds over anything paranormal is the 10-year old British girl who recognized the warning signs from having listened in her geography class, and saved hundreds of lives by warning those on the beach and nearby hotel to evacuate.

    By comparison: Even though there are millions of psychics/clairvoyants and other people who claim to be able to predict the future worldwide, not one predicted the tsunami! Remarkable?

    This is not to say that there isn't something to the study descibed in the article; animals and aboriginals may all have 'felt' the earthquake (even from far - elephants' feet for example have specially adapted sensors that are very sensitive to vibrations), and just thought it prudent to get out of the way just in case. However the use of the term "sixth sense" implies a paranormal explanation, when in fact you can pretty much bet that the true explanation, whatever it turns out to be, is going to be quite logical and rational. This is perhaps more likely just poor journalism rather than poor science.

    (These stories with a 'pseudoscientific bent' seem to reveal a creeping trend away from rational thinking on slashdot, which several years ago used to feel like one of the few good places on the Net where one could get away from that sort of gullible mainstream uninformed discourse :/ Is Slashdot now officially "mainstream"?)

    1. Re:Science beats pseudoscience every time by torpor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some of the local indigenous people had stories handed down over generations from their ancestors who had also suffered through a tsunami, and from these stories some of them recognized the warning signs and knew what to do. No mystical explanation required in that case.

      So, what, you're saying that history is a sixth sense?

      Cool!!! Thats the best description yet! :)

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    2. Re:Science beats pseudoscience every time by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 2, Funny

      >>By comparison: Even though there are millions of psychics/clairvoyants and other people who claim to be able to predict the future worldwide, not one predicted the tsunami! Remarkable?

      I am certain that the responsible 'authorities' are reverse engineering the Bible Code(tm) and Nostradamus' Quatrains as we discuss this.

      wbs

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    3. Re:Science beats pseudoscience every time by blamanj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However the use of the term "sixth sense" implies a paranormal explanation...This is perhaps more likely just poor journalism rather than poor science.

      Indeed. It might be more appropriate to say there are sixth, seventh, and eighth, etc. senses. It has been postulated that we are sensitive to a variety of stimula that other animals are capable of sensing (magnetic fields, pheromones, etc.) but that these senses are either vestigal or their input is overwhelmed by the high bandwidth requirements of vision, which we rely on to a much higher degree.

      The real point of the article is that we register things like taste, sight, smell, etc. at a conscious level, and that we may also take in data that is valuable but that doesn't register with the same intensity. That sub-conscious data can still affect us, however, but we can't explain it in the same way we can explain the more direct stimuli.

    4. Re:Science beats pseudoscience every time by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There's been a general dumbing of this forum over the years. Sure, we've always had "First Post!" types here, but I consider them amusing. What once was a technoscience community, with the kind of background knowledge that implies, now includes more than its share of people who discredit science for political, economic, and religious reasons.

      That said, the fact that the "debunking" posts usually get modded up, is a sign that the crowd is still predominantly scientifically oriented.

  33. Tribesman by pardasaniman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While I personally believe in a Sixth Sense. I remember reading that Indian tribespeople avoided the tsunami for two reasons:

    1) Their land was not deforested and the trees slowed down the onslaught of the waves.

    2) An ancient legend warns them to seek higher ground when the ground shakes.

    Thus, all of them survived.

  34. The Mac analogy by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is like saying we've discovered a second Mac mouse button just because you can make more use of the single one you've got if you're smarter and more experienced, or because you're so used to using the control key that you're no longer conscious that you're doing it.

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  35. They headed the warning signs by tod_miller · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even CNN was able to report this diligently. They passed on knowledge through their generations that retreating water was a sign of disaster, so when the waters went out (whatever the technical term is) they all scarpered.

    I am sure the brain does have sub systems that try and trigger responses from us, like when we tune into a baby crying or other things, I am sure that our senses are more sensitive than we realise, but mostof it is filtered out.

    Sounds like headline grabbing terminology bending.

    But saying it is a sixth sense does not mean that IT KNEW MORE than what was being told to it by the 5 senses we do actually have (perhaps we can like pigeons sense magnetics also).

    So please, like robotics, nanotech and every other buzz word that gets recycled, make sure you really are saying what you are saying.

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  36. Tsunami wasn't sixth sense -- it was SENSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was no sixth sense involved in avoiding the Tsunami.

    All people near the ocean saw and heard that something was different. When wild animals see something 'different', they run away from it full tilt and later on cautiously approach it to find out more.

    When idiot people and domesticated animals see something 'different', they walk up to it to get a closer look.

    Thus, you saw animals and people with 'sense' saying "Hey... this is really odd. Let's say we go away from the ocean for a bit." and those without sense saying "Wow! The ocean drew right out to sea! Let's walk out on the new beach and take a look at this strange-and-potentially-dangerous new development. Even better, let's call our friends on cell phone and have them join us!

    "Wow! Look at the size of that wave! I wonder how high the surf will get?!?"

    There's no 'sixth sense' involved. Plain, simple common sense saved people and animals from the Tsunami.

  37. I just knew it!!!!! by Slavinski · · Score: 2, Funny


    I knew it was there all the time!!!

    You're only upset because the voices talk to me?!

    ;)

  38. Re:Offtopic...but IMPORTANT by slonkak · · Score: 3, Informative
    Here is the code making the popup...
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    I assume that firefox is coded to find any
    <script>
    tags then decide what they do and whether your preferences say to block that particular action or not. However, this site has javascript creating javascript. The original script function actually writes the popup script to the page, but in a round about way. Notice this:
    dc.write('<scr'+'ipt language="javascript" src="http://media.fastclick.net');
    It prints the word script in 2 parts, thus Firefox never finds an instance of the word SCRIPT to block it. But how does it not block the originating script? The originating script is only using javascript's print function. Nothing harmful, as far as Firefox is concerned, until now. Looks like someone should inform the Firefox writers and have them make a pre-javascript engine to find out what the javascript does before it runs it... Just my 2 cents.
  39. It's not a sixth sense by fizbin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or at least, similar actions can be explained without inventing a sixth sense.

    It's basically a combination of these two things: your skin is much more sensitive than you realize, and that sense is not nearly as accurate as you think it is.

    To see this, get two friends to help test this sense. You will stand (or sit, whichever) in the middle of the room, blindfolded and wearing ear plugs, and one friend will stand behind you at a designated spot, being careful not to breath on the back of your neck. The other friend will blow a loud whistle - loud enough to hear through the earplugs - occasionally and at each whistle blow you will need to say if someone is behind you or not. Make sure that your friends choose whether to stand behind you or not before each whistle blow by using some random source, such as a coin flip or dice roll.

    If this "sense" does not completely disappear when you've eliminated sight and sound, then retest while wearing a coat with a hood, or something else to completely cover your arms, back, and neck.

    I have found myself that during the winter I can navigate around in complete darkness without bumping into things because I "sense" them about half an inch before I'd bump into them. It's not a sixth sense - it's that the static in the air makes the hair on my exposed legs stand up when I approach most objects. A pair of longjohns kills this "sense" completely.

  40. Intuition by Sanat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the risk of sowing pearls before the swine...

    Humanity is multi-dimensional. There are those individuals who can quiet the mind totally and in so doing raise their consciousness to tune into the higher realms. The bible and other religious doctrines talk about this a great deal.

    Information coming from the higher realms is based in love and not in fear.

    Before you flame this post reflect carefully upon this:

    "Can you quiet your mind where not a single thought occurs for 15 minutes? 5 minutes? 1 minute? 10 seconds? Try it and see.

    The small still voice that guides from the higher realms is like a soft playing flute compared to the ego which is like a brass marching band. When the mind is active then the flute is inaudible. When the mind is still then the flute can be heard.

    Those individuals living close to Mother Earth follow the small still voice that guides them in ways they might not understand while it is occurring but later reveals the reason for the guidance. The tsunami is an example. All humans were given the message, only a few were capable of hearing and following it for only a few had minds quiet enough to comprehend.

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  41. Re:So THAT'S how Bush won! by craXORjack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would have to disagree with your assessment. I think this "sixth sense" is how Bush almost lost. Too many people sensed that the invasion was wrong, that no WMDs would ever be found, that Bush's friends in the oil and weapons industries were the sole beneficiaries. You must remember that Bush won by only the narrowest of margins while no other wartime president has ever been re-elected by anything but a landslide. But Karl Rove cleverly created an issue out of homosexuality that drew to the poll some of the people who would not otherwise have voted due to their uncertainty over the justness of Bush's war.

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  42. Then they're going to win at least $1,000,000 by g0hare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From James Randi for proving the paranormal. Once and forever, anecdotal evidence ain't science. It's how politics and other such scams are done, not science.

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  43. the aborigins weren't forewarned by rkaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    They were not forwarned. They actually can speak. Yes: They have a language! And according to the norwegian press, they told interviewers that they have for generations talked about the dangers of the earthquakes. About how - when they occur - the forefathers always insisted they must flee up into the mountains - o be safe. So the quake came, they went up into the mountain - and survived the tsunami. Simple, really. No 6th sense mumbo-jumbo. Just ordinary mumbo-jumbo, if you like.

  44. Re:And at least seventh and eighth, too. by Ephboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, gravity detection and rotational motion detection are more commonly called the vestibular system. We have 5 organs dedicated to vestibular detection (other animals can have a couple more). Two of them are linear accelerometers (an inertial weight (calcium crystals + sticky stuff) on inner ear hair cells) that detect gravity, and linear motion of the head. Three of them are rotational accelerometers and are oriented to detect the three ways you can rotate your head. These are fluid filled tubes (semicircular canals) where the fluid acts as the inertial substance that rushes by the sensory hair cells when you rotate your head (and when you stop spinning around, the fluid keeps going making you feel dizzy). While these are all grouped together as vestibular, the outputs are not completely the same. For example, some of the output of the rotational detectors (technically, ampullae) goes directly to a reflex of your eye muscles to keep your gaze stable while you rotate your head. (As a demo of this, take a piece of paper and try to read it while you move it around quickly. You can't. Now hold the paper still but move your head around at the same rate. Your gaze is held stable while you move your head. Similarly, when you spin around in circles as a kid and stop, the world continues to spin (that is, your eyes continue to move as if you were still spinning as the fluid in the canals is moving but your head is not)). In fact the sensory cells that underlie this are virtually identical to the cells responsible for your auditory input (and for fish to detect water flow or electrical sense along the side of their body), and uses ion channels similar to those that detect extreme temperature, hot chili peppers, wasabi, menthol, and touch.

  45. The Tribesmen by 4Lancer.net · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They knew to flee to higher ground because the animals did... when all the animals start running the same direction, common sense tells you to follow them, even though they know what's going on and you don't. Plus, if any of the tribal persons had seen the wave coming, they wouldn't have stood there gawking at it like some did in other places. They would have fled.

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  46. It says... by hajihill · · Score: 2, Funny

    What this says to me is that we were too busy with our eyes glued to our cellphones to notice that the sea and the earth were....

    Hold on, my RSS feed says there's a new article up... I'll get back to you shortly.

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  47. Generational knowledge by saddino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interestingly, an article in the Washington Post (can't find it now) mentioned that one particularly old tribe of fisherman also fled, but only after the waters receded (the ultra "low tide" effect that occurs before the tsunami hits). Apparently, folk stories passed generation-to-generation included references to ancestors who experienced tsunami. Armed with this cultural folklore, they fled while others gawked at the strange sight of the sea leaving the shore.

  48. Re:and a couple more senses for your list by shufler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It should be pointed out that a sixth sense has not been found.

    From TFA:
    While some scientists discount the existence of a sixth sense for danger, new research from Washington University in St. Louis has identified a brain region that clearly acts as an early warning system -- one that monitors environmental cues, weighs possible consequences and helps us adjust our behavior to avoid dangerous situations.
    What they have found is not a sense, but a cognitive module within the brain. Senses provide INPUT to these modules. This module isn't gathering input from external sources, but is processing input from our input detectors (touch, sight, sound, taste, smell).

    As the article points out, the aboriginals fled when the animals did. This is not surprising -- they long ago learned that animals may "sense" danger, and flee their habitat. They have identified that when this happens, it's probably in their best interest to flee as well.

    When the tsunami hit, there were dozens of news reports saying how the animals left the area. The first thing I said in response to that, was, "Why didn't the people leave as well? Especially if this is a warning sign for danger?"

    Being able to interpret input and make a logical and reasonable descision is all this article is about. All the scientists have done is find an area that specialises in determining what input indicates a potential hazard to our lives. I won't knock them for this, but it's certainly not a sixth sense.
  49. I have a sixth sense by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's called a bullshit detector. Most humans come equipped with them but some people choose to ignore them. Mine was tingling when I read
    Aboriginal tribesmen somehow sensed the impending danger of December's tsunami in time to flee to higher ground before the first sign of water
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  50. Equilibrium? by adolfojp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Equilibrium is the 6th, so this other one should be 7th.

    Cheers,
    Adolfo

  51. false positives? by freddyfred89 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many times have aboriginal tribesman / animals fled to high ground when there wasn't an impending tsunami? This I would like to know before I start believing in a sixth sense.

  52. Pot? Kettle. by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, your user id is "I be hatin'."

  53. It's the violins, stupid! by infolib · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whenever you hear half the symphony orchestra join those jagged dissonant minor chords, you know there's something deadly just around the corner. How hard can it be?

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  54. Only Five Senses? by VValdo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always felt those "five senses" were an overgeneralization. I mean, taste and smell are basically the same thing, aren't they? As I understand it, smell is basically your nose "tasting" molecules captured from the air. Your sense of taste, meanwhile, is pretty hampered when you plug your nose.

    Isn't hearing basically a type of interpreted "feeling"-- your inner ear contains small hairs that feel the compression of air, which are then experienced as sound.

    Since people are talking about phantom-limb, I think one might also mention the reverse-- the sense that your body extends beyond its normal self-- ie, that weird feeling that you've 'fused' with a car/game/musical instrument so that they feel like an attachment or extension to you-- that you become so comfortable with them that you don't think of the interface between you and that object.

    When I'm driving for long periods of time, I do sometimes feel as though the car has become to some effect an extension of my body. To move the car, I don't conciously think that I need to use my arms to turn the wheel, I just kind of will the car to turn, and my arms do what's necessary. I've had this experience with video games as well. In a way, your brain accepts that you've become part OF that object. Another example-- once I learned to type, I no longer needed to think about the mechanics of typing, the words just kind of flow to the screen as I think them.

    I guess one's brain just adapts itself to your physical "hookup" and tries to streamline the input and output streams so that they are as efficient as possible.

    So, yeah, I agree that the 5 senses idea seems kind of over-simplified. I suspect that whatever your nerves are wired to, after along enough your brain will adapt enough to accept it as a source of "input". I'm sure this has been tried. Does anyone know of an experiment like this one where a person's senses were "extended" via hardware?

    And what about that creepy-- and often annoying-- feeling that someone's reading over your shoulder? That "feeling" that you're being watched? What's that all about? Which of the five senses is used to describe THAT? ;)

    W

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  55. Attention: TFA has nothing to do with psychics by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So could all of you who are whining about the paranormal and pseudoscience just calm down and read it?

    They're using the term "sixth sense" because that's what many people call this ability - and attribute it to psychic, mystical phenomena. They're using the colloquial name for it, but demonstrating what it really is - an ability to subconsciously process subtle clues that you're not even consciously aware of, and use them to determine when danger is coming. The article makes no claims of psychic powers or mysticism or paranormal activity - if anything it's the opposite. It's like showing that people don't get sick because a bad spirit infested them, but because germs infested them. They're still getting sick, but for a real reason.

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  56. New Scientist's contribution by fishicist · · Score: 2, Informative

    New Scientist magazine ran an article examining the rather more than 5 senses we all have. I think, at last count, there were about 20...

    Senses special: Doors of perception

  57. People believe what they want to believe by mark99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And they love "sixth sense" stuff. Knowledge without having to work for it.

  58. I agree - I've experienced this personally by DG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree with you, both in the claim that this phenomenon is not psudoscience, and that calling it a "sixth sense" is somewhat sensational.

    The article spells out the test methodology in detail, and it seems solid.

    But I have personal experience with this.

    I have had extensive navigation training, first as a pilot, and then later in a military career. The Army in particular had very high standards for needing to know exactly where you were at all times (to within 100m) without the aid of something like a GPS.

    So you learn to keep a visualization of your surroundings in your head, and to cross-reference that visualization against whatever tools you have (like a map, compass, or odometer) at regular intervals to keep the internal representation in sync with the real world. After some practice, this becomes second nature - muscle memory stuff.

    But there's an odd side-effect, at least there is with me. If I make a wrong turn, miss an exit, or make some sort of navigational mistake, something in my subconscious will pick up on it well before I'm ever consciously aware of it (especially if my conscious is somehow distracted away from navigation) It's hard to put into words... but I will get a profound sense of "wrongness", like an inaudible alarm bell. The more I ignore it, the worse it gets.

    I have learned not to ignore it. If that alarm goes off, I'll immediately make navigation the highest-priority mental task - and without fail, I will have just goofed somehow.

    Unfortunately, this ability does not convey any other information other than "you are no longer on the planned course". There is a recognition function in there, but no follow-on advisory function. It's still up to conciousness to correct the problem once discovered.

    When it happens though... it's really a very odd feeling, and it's quite strong.

    DG

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    1. Re:I agree - I've experienced this personally by rs79 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Unfortunately, this ability does not convey any other information other than "you are no longer on the planned course". There is a recognition function in there, but no follow-on advisory function. It's still up to conciousness to correct the problem once discovered.

      When it happens though... it's really a very odd feeling, and it's quite strong."


      I get the same feeling when walking into a mall. It's not a joke (despite looking like one) and it doesn't happen with other large or small indoor spaces. Crowds or confinded spaces don't bother me at all. Just malls. I get this weird "must leave, shouldn't be here, you might pay retail" feeling.

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    2. Re:I agree - I've experienced this personally by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may jest - certainly, enough people think you are to mark you up "+3, Funny" - but that's exactly how shopping centres are designed. Look it up sometime. They're designed to disorient you; to make you traverse are much as possible of the mall to complete your business; and to keep you separated from your car as long as possible.

      Ever wonder why, in a standard 3-armed shopping centre layout, the general layout is banks in one arm, department stores in another, and food stores in the third? Or why carparks are either dark cavernous labyrinths or blinding hot barren wastelands, when the mall itself is bright, cool, breezy, and colourful?

      They use psychological cues to get/keep you inside, then once inside you're kept disoriented. Try this game : stand at the top of the escalators or stairs, and watch people as they get off. You'll see a large percentage of people who stop, look around, then continue on uncertainly.

      Every time you go shopping, you're being gamed...

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  59. You remember when OMNI was good? by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember the old days, when OMNI magazine was about science? Then it started turning into a persistent hawker of crackpottery. Even the fiction lost its edge and got lugubriously spooky.

    And the Sci-Fi channel. About sci-fi, before it became All Vampires, All the Time. It's pulled back a bit, maybe.

    To me, this story, along with this one. are the tip of the Slashdot woo-woo iceberg.

    But hey. Anything for click-through, huh?

  60. Re:Pot? Kettle. by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which, incidentally, is a verb tense in Black American English that Standard English lacks. It comes down to us from certain West African languages, and indicates a state of continuance. We have past, present, future, and moods indicating completion or incompletion (which is subtly different).

    Really.

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  61. Re:The aborginals fled after they read the signs.. by ggvaidya · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are you sure?
    1. The deep fish story is a hoax.
    2. So what are these red-tailed deep water fish turning up off the coast of Kerela?
    3. The tsunami took place in the morning, and took about three hours to get to the coast of Kerela. Did the fisherman have enough time to go out, find "unusual numbers of rare red-tailed deep-water fishes" and report back to the government offices?
    I'm very skeptical.
  62. Re:Pot? Kettle. by Mattintosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, "Black American English" is not a language. It's a dialect marked by (usually) incorrect usage.

    But for the sake of whacking your argument upside it's head, let's use this guy's name as an example here. "I be hatin'" could more easily be expressed as "I hate." The subject is the same (I) but the verb is pacified ("be" vs. "hate") in the incorrect case. To properly use a passive ("being") verb in this sentence, you would need the word "am" instead of "be". "I am hatin'."

    However, the duration of this act (which is how you justify the use of the incorrect English) can be assumed to be the same. How? If there's a TV show that I hate continuously (every time it's on), then "I be hatin' this TV show" would be no more descriptive than "I hate this TV show". Both convey the meaning that you dislike this show strongly no matter what time or place you are exposed to it, and that you'll continue to feel this way into the indefinite future.

    English does not lack the verb tense you speak of. There is no need to make excuses for people that refuse to learn to speak or write properly, or who for social reasons pretend that they know less than they really do.

  63. Re:Pot? Kettle. by Cobblepop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't believe this wasn't modded as Funny. Somebody actually bought that?

  64. In other words by bonch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Being able to interpret input and make a logical and reasonable descision is all this article is about. All the scientists have done is find an area that specialises in determining what input indicates a potential hazard to our lives.

    In other words...another sense? Which would be a sixth sense, seeing as we have five others?

    Sixth sense doesn't automatically mean "psychic." If they find a part of the brain that senses danger which didn't previously know about, then that's another sense that we have; a sixth one.

    I want to see more studies on this, of course. Just playing devil's advocate here.

  65. Re:Pot? Kettle. by HiThere · · Score: 2, Informative

    I beleive that in English it's from the Elizibethan period (and earlier) and was called subjunctive I, as opposed to the currently live subjunctive II form (now normally just called subjunctive, or hypothetical subjunctive, when it's recognized at all).

    Your argument may say WHY such a form survived in certain groups, but it didn't originate with them (in English), or at least I don't believe it did.

    The marker of this kind of subjunctive tense was the use of present infinitive form (without the leading to) frequently accompanied by, e.g., let, as in:
    Let it be so.
    or
    If that be so....
    (The second form is confusing because it is too similar to the subjunctive II form, If that were so...)

    I must admit that I'm not really familiar with the exact meaning that this form has in antiquity, but it's the form used by the Giant in "Jack and the Beanstalk", when he says:
    Be he alive,
    Or be he dead
    I'll grind his bones...
    Note that this is NOT a contrary to fact supposition (If he were alive...).

    --

    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  66. Re:Pot? Kettle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Which, incidentally, is a verb tense in Black American English that Standard English lacks. It comes down to us from certain West African languages, and indicates a state of continuance.

    No, that's called aspect, not tense. Aspect describes the internal temporal qualities of an event; tense relates one event to a deixis (such as the time of speech or another event).

    That having been said, what you're describing is habitual aspect: the habitual "be" in AAVE. Apparently, you picked this up somewhere in some freshman seminar or, worse, off the television, but you really shouldn't go around lecturing folks on linguistics until your knowledge is more than Powerpoint deep.

    We have past, present, future, and moods indicating completion or incompletion (which is subtly different).

    No. English has past and nonpast tenses, a future mood (among others), and various aspects; aspect, mood and tense can interact, but each is separate.

  67. Re:Pot? Kettle. by purple_cobra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Absolutely not. This isn't the evolution of a language but the bastardisation of a language for social reasons, i.e. being intelligent and speaking correctly isn't cool/rad/street/whatever street-credibility is called this week.