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MP3beamer Released

An anonymous reader writes "MP3tunes, Michael Robertson's new music venture, has released a snazzy linux music appliance called MP3beamer. The $399 box auto-rips CDs and imports MP3s and then connects to iTunes, Java devices, media receivers, web devices even WinCE units with handy feature to "sync" songs from server to remote machine for offline playback not just streaming - see screenshots. Last time Robertson launched something with "Beam" in the name it led to avalanche of lawsuits and more then $150MM in legal payments with BeamIt from the old MP3.com." It'd be excellent to get a review of one of these machines; looks like a good one.

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  1. WOW! by j0nkatz · · Score: 5, Informative

    EVEN BETTER! It appears they are selling just the software for $70 to let you use your own machine as the "beamer" hardware. OS included!!

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    1. Re:WOW! by redcircle · · Score: 2, Informative

      What about the slick looking case? newegg.com got it for only $138

  2. Worth a look by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me of Tivo for the musically inclined. Consumers do seem to like black boxes, as long as they work right the first time. I'd look at this for myself - it would be nice to have a music only drive and dedicate one machine for that task. Four hundred is a decent price point as well.

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    1. Re:Worth a look by gizmofan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also a software only version for $69.95. I already use a crappy old PC as a media server, I might upgrade it. I guess for you average consumer it depends how easy/difficult the setup for it is.

  3. Beamer? by turtled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only MP3 Beamer I can think of is the iPod for the BMW.

    Interesting, none-the-less.

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    1. Re:Beamer? by exley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, as soon as I saw this post on the front page, I knew there'd be someone who inappropriately started talking about BMW cars.

  4. $150MM?!? by aendeuryu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Picturing Dr. Evil, giggling and saying "Unless you give us 150 Million Million dollars!!! Mwahahaha etc. etc."

    1. Re:$150MM?!? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      MM is for "million" because M is for "mthousand." It comes from the Roman Emperor Maximus who was known for having thousands.

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    2. Re:$150MM?!? by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      Notice the end of tv shows, now it would show MMV as the year for 2005.

      And here I always thought that meant [Your] "Mileage May Vary", as in the show's creators thought it's good but everybody else on the planet likely thinks it stinks.

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    3. Re:$150MM?!? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

      In finance terms, MM is more like "M times M," or 1000 times 1000.

      By the way, I'm a little scared that my "Roman emperor Maximus who was known for having thousands" explanation was called "Insightful." I must be new here.

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  5. Slimserver by Quixote · · Score: 5, Informative
    This appears to be an Asus Pundit with Linspire. The music server component is a hacked-up Slimserver, as clarified by Robertson himself (see link for more answers from him).

    Still, looks like a nice box.

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  6. Re:Very interesting concept by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having your music on one box might be appealing to some - heck, it is to me. Part os it is I dont want to keep a 550 watt machine going solely got music streaming - it does make a dent in your electric bill. It appears to be pretty portable too - if the functionality is as expected this will be a hot seller IMO.

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  7. And for $100 more... by sootman · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...you can get a Mac Mini to do just about all that and more. I have mine hooked up to my TV doing most of what this does, as well as playing games, showing slideshows, and ripping and playing DVDs.

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    1. Re:And for $100 more... by TLSPRWR · · Score: 2, Funny

      You got a mac to play games? Like... games other than Warcraft and the Apple logo puzzle?

      Please post pictures and a tutorial, I'm not sure if I believe this.

  8. Re:Very interesting concept by sabernet · · Score: 5, Funny

    But according to Napster, iTunes can cost you 10,000$!!

  9. Finally! by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Funny

    A machine you can put on autopirate and it works! A new generation of AI!

  10. Slimserver by jhernand · · Score: 4, Informative

    This product borrows heavily from the OSS Slimserver product, which is primarily developed for the Squeezebox and SliMP3 by http://www.slimdevices.com/Slim Devices.

  11. This is actually pretty interesting... by William_Lee · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you check out the site, they're offering the software only for around $70 which makes it a more viable solution for many of us unwilling to buy a box for $400.

    The only box that has to be running Linux is the main beamer, so you could easily work this right into an existing home M$ network.

    It even looks like you can beam your collection remotely to work.

    Also, different users can play different tunes at the same time.

    It seems pretty cool and useful at first glance.

    1. Re:This is actually pretty interesting... by Zed2K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you can download slimserver for free. Granted the $70 fee gets you linspire, but I'm willing to bet someone wanting to do this has the ability to download linux iso images and do the install themselves and for free.

    2. Re:This is actually pretty interesting... by Fortun+L'Escrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you might be missing the point. simply because they have "solutions" priced at $400 and $70 does not mean they are trying to con anyone.

      there are many customers that will fork over the $400 because all the configuration is done for them and they can rely on dedicated tech support should the need arise. if they do not care for the standalone box and they only require the software then its only $70 again, the software is designed to work out of the box. no need to spend however long to configure it yourself.

      sounds like a pretty compelling argument to those consumers that do not wish to spend the time researching and configuring their boxes to "emulate" the behavior of mp3beamer.

      you acturately point out that the functionality of the mp3beamer can be achieved for "free". but just a reminder, for a true geek this functionality and more has been available for a long long time. from the time you could put up a playlist on the web to putting music on an ftp site to remote controlled streaming music and even potentially converting one's music from a lossless format to mp3 or whatever on a case by case basis.

      the point is that the mp3beamer is a convient package in the same way a pre-built desktop is a convient package. the best thing is that you could go into business offering similar "solutions" derived from similar software. you might even decide to sell your solutions at $300 and the software at $40. you might make a killing in sales on the assumption that your solutions were at the same quality or else the consumer will continue to vote elsewhere with their disposable income. anyways. im done.

  12. My free solution... by borawjm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I use my roomates machine to stream and store all of my music. He doesn't notice and it cost me no money.

    Did I mention that he's not very computer literate?

  13. AAC Support by Synesthesiatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It kinda sucks that it doesn't at least include unprotected AAC support. It seems like, outside of Apple, AAC is turning into a flop (although I know the Roku Soundbridge supports it).

    Heck, with Hymn they could even add support for iTMS files, outside of the US anyways. Not that it matters. If I wanted to change portable players I'd just find one that played unprotected AAC and run my music through Hymn myself. But there don't seem to be any options out there!

    1. Re:AAC Support by DaveJay · · Score: 2, Informative

      It kinda sucks that it doesn't at least include unprotected AAC support. It seems like, outside of Apple, AAC is turning into a flop (although I know the Roku Soundbridge supports it).

      I currently run SlimServer on an old Dell Optiplex, and it supports AAC -- via re-encoding on the fly with faad2. I don't know if the Roku Soundbridge uses this method (it also uses SlimServer) or if the hardware natively supports it, but it makes sense that the MP3Beamer ALSO supports AAC via re-encoding on the fly, given that their software is based on SlimServer.

      However, setting up to re-encode on the fly is likely outside the scope of the MP3Beamer's target audience (plug in, turn on, forget about it) -- as is explaining why they can play their own AACs, but not those they download from iTunes.

      Oh, and for those considering the SlimServer/old boxen approach, I had SlimServer originally running on an old Pentium II 450 with 384mb of memory, which was also running web/mail/ssh/samba/NAT services. It could even do the re-encoding on the fly, unless someone hit a web site, at which point there'd be a slight hiccup in playback. I moved to a Pentium III 800 with 512 of memory, and now everything's peachy.

      Note: I do my listening with a Slim Devices Squeezebox, which I love. YMMV with Soundbridge, et al.

  14. Re:Overpriced, underpowered, and dumb. by zackrentwood · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sure the software is available, but it doesn't set itself up. If a non-/.'er wanted to set this up they'd either have to spend a large amount of time learning linux and such, or pay a geek quite a bit of cash to make it work.

  15. Where's the utility? by Radi-0-head · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So why can't I do this with my existing machine and maybe an additional hard disk for storage? Oh wait, I already do!

  16. free schwag by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Funny
    "It'd be excellent to get a review of one of these machines; looks like a good one."

    In other words, Slashdot editors want a free one to play with.

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  17. Re:CPU choice? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Informative

    As the other poster indicated, it does run a P4-derived Celeron [as a sidenote, isn't it about time to retire the product name Celeron? It has caused confusion since the days of the Celeron 300a]. Personally I'd rather it ran a low-power processor, such as a Pentium M or Powerstep processor, or even the via processors (formerly Cyrix). A 2.4Ghz Celeron is a ridiculous power hog for something that plays MP3s. Hell I put together a fully capable full-video media player machine with a 2.4Ghz Celeron.

  18. hmm.. side note by shadowpuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A while back I noticed that iTunes has the ability to automatically rip a CD when it's put in the drive. And when it's done the CD can be automatically ejected. I'm not certain but I suspect that combined with some Applescript and a CD jukebox could be a frightenly effective combination. How much you wanna bet that programmers at Apple have already done it for themselves?

  19. Sync to iTunes - How? by Slackrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the product FAQ, they mention an MP3Beamer Sync component that automatically syncs your iTunes collection with your MP3Beamer collection. I'm curious how they pulled this off. Does the iTunes Sharing protocol (DAAP) support file upload? Or are they pushing the music in some other way?

    1. Re:Sync to iTunes - How? by natrius · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't sync your iTunes collection, you stream from the server using iTunes' built-in sharing.

  20. MOD PARENT DOWN. by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do any of the moderators actually read the fucking article first?

    The CPU is a 2.4Ghz Celeron. It's not an expensive P4.

  21. is $MM a Britishism? International unit? by xtermin8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    $150 in M&Ms would not be so bad. If only my Ex-wife had only asked for that!

  22. Re:Very interesting concept by tdemark · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that I don't agree with you, but you do realize that the specs for a power supply list how much power it _can_ supply, not how much it _does_ supply at any given point?

    For example, the server that I use for development, storage, MP3, SMTP, IMAP, HTTP, SMB, etc is an AMD 2600 with two (2) 200GB 7200 RPM drives and 1 GB RAM.

    Even though it has a 400W power supply, I've measured that it uses 140W.

    Regardless, your point still stands as the server costs about $15 / mo to run.

  23. Re:Auto-rips CDs? by syd2000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just pay a kid 10 cents per CD to drop them in the mp3beamer for you. Like Robertson himself did.

  24. Re:Very interesting concept by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thanks for this link. I did measure various components of my homebrew PC, but never thought of using a commercial outlet meter on it. I need to check that out. No matter what, I got a 3.0 GHz CPU and 9 fans - I know I'm leaking fuel out of it!

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  25. Re:CPU choice? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Informative

    While it is actually a Celeron, note this benchmark of CPUs encoding MP3s.

  26. Here are the torrent MPG links :) by TorrentNinja · · Score: 2, Informative
    Watch videos describing MP3beamer - click on the links below to view clips.

    MP3tunes purchase and loading MP3s to MP3beamer - 10:18 mins
    Mpeg Low-Res - 43.5MB
    Mpeg High-Res - 60 MB

    iTunes streaming, Home Stereo use - 10:39 mins
    Mpeg Low-Res - 40MB
    Mpeg High-Res - 55MB

    iTunes syncing, iPod loading, PDA playback - 11:30 mins
    Mpeg Low-Res- 39MB
    Mpeg High-Res - 49MB

  27. Re:Very interesting concept by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you are worried about the electric bill, build a mini-itx based system. They can be ran off of a 60 watt power supply (some require 90) and would make a great dedicated music server. They are not powerfull enough to worry about your electric bill.....and some can be nearly silent (no fans) except for hd and cd noise.

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  28. Re:Very interesting concept by oskard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That post was unrightfully marked flamebait. Any one who posts their negative opinion on slashdot is considered a flamer, and that's simply due to the (f)laws of civil discourse.

    But he has a point, its 400 dollars for something you can write software to do.

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  29. Re:WMLS11B support? by Whizard · · Score: 2, Informative

    WMLS11B is a standard UPnP client. The TwonkyVision Media Server works just great to serve MP3s to my WMLS11B from linux.

  30. Re:where are the clients? by DaveJay · · Score: 2, Informative

    Easy answer: check out Slim Devices Squeezebox. Here's how it addresses your needs:

    1. The box is barely wider or taller than the display, and it's not very deep, either.

    2. The output is analog or digital stereo, not 5.1 or 7.1, but it doesn't funnel video anyway so there's no need for surround sound support (unless there's 5.1 and 7.1 non-movie audio out there?)

    3. You can use the remote and the surprisingly large and bright screen to configure your player, search through your music, build playlists, adjust the volume, change the screensaver, pull up internet radio streams, play pacman and tetris...okay, those last two might be gratuitous.

    4. You can use any computer on your network to change the playlist on and control all aspects of every player you have. Not only can you start Ben Folds and Beastie Boys playing on two different players from a computer in another room (or over the internet), you can also sync them so that they both play the same music AT THE SAME TIME in both rooms.

    I highly recommend the wired version, because it's cheap, in stock, and reliable as hell.