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Linux Kernel 2.6.11 Released

Xpilot writes "Linus Torvalds has just announced the availability of the newest Linux kernel release, 2.6.11. The newest addition to Linux that's stirring up some excitement is the inclusion of Infiniband support. You can get it from the usual mirrors at http://kernel.org/mirrors."

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  1. To Infiniband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    And beyond!

  2. infiniband..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    does that mean it goes PAST 11?

    1. Re:infiniband..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nigel: "You're up to 11 on your server and up to 11 on your network and you need that extra little push to set it over the top and you got nowhere else to go. So this amp goes to infinity."

      Interviewer: "I see. But why not just make 11 louder?"

      Nigel: "But it goes to infinity."

      Interviewer: "Yeah, but what if you just made 11 as loud as infinity?"

      Nigel: "But...it goes to infinity."

  3. Knoppix jumped the gun... by carninja · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looks like Knoppix jumped the gun by including the 2.6 kernel in the new distro. If they had just waited a few hours...

    1. Re:Knoppix jumped the gun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, all those people waiting to boot their supercomputers using Knoppix to take advantage of Infiniband will just have to keep waiting.

    2. Re:Knoppix jumped the gun... by northcat · · Score: 2, Informative

      The release of knoppix was announced few hours ago but things like the kernel are added much earlier. Like days or weeks earlier. They're not added at the last minute, because distro maintainence is a tough job. And many times ditros contain not the latest version of programs available at the time of the release. There are a lot of reasons. On a side note, people who want infiniband will be able to update the kernel on the knoppix cd.

  4. infiniband? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    InfiniBand, which is derived from its underlying concept of "infinite bandwidth,"...

    Umm... I don't know about you... but that description didn't help me much... infinite bandwidth? What is this? How is this? How does linux get past physical hardware limitations that other os's can't?

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    1. Re:infiniband? by stecoop · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google knows all.

      Intell talks about Infiniband Architecture

      Initially InfiniBand Technology will be used to connect servers with remote storage and networking devices, and other servers. It will also be used inside servers for inter-processor communication (IPC) in parallel clusters. Customers requiring dense server deployments, such as ISPs, will also benefit from the small form factors being proposed. Other benefits include greater performance, lower latency, easier and faster sharing of data, built in security and quality of service, improved usability (the new form factor will be far easier to add/remove/upgrade than today's shared-bus I/O cards).

      Additionally, InfiniBand Architecture reduces total cost of ownership by focusing on data center reliability and scalability. The technology addresses reliability by creating multiple redundant paths between nodes (reducing hardware that needs to be purchased). It also moves from the load-and-store-based communications methods used by shared local bus I/O to a more reliable message passing approach.

      Scalability needs are addressed in two ways. First, the I/O fabric itself is designed to scale without encountering the latencies that some shared bus I/O architectures experience as workload increases. Second, the physical modularity of InfiniBand Technology will avoid the need for customers to buy excess capacity up-front in anticipation of future growth. Instead, they will be able to buy what they need at the outset and 'pay as they grow' to add capacity without impacting operations or installed systems.

    2. Re:infiniband? by dhbiker · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.infinibandta.org/ibta/ I think infinite bandwidth is more thatn a little misleading! but to take an excerpt from their marketing blurb "The first version of the specification for the technology was completed in October 2000 and the InfiniBand Trade Association is well on its way to establishing a new signaling rate specification beyond 100Gb/s"

    3. Re:infiniband? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Funny

      How does linux get past physical hardware limitations that other os's can't?

      Marketing. They transcend the physically possible on a regular basis. Though you missed the source. "How does [InfiniBand] get past physical hardware limitations that other [hardware] can't?" It is their marketing fluff, Linux merely supports the technology.

      Kjella

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    4. Re:infiniband? by micromoog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what is it in non-marketing terms?

    5. Re:infiniband? by TuringTest · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linked from the article:

      Infiniband (define)

      Both an I/O architecture and a specification for the transmission of data between processors and I/O devices that has been gradually replacing the PCI bus in high-end servers and PCs. Instead of sending data in parallel, which is what PCI does, InfiniBand sends data in serial and can carry multiple channels of data at the same time in a multiplexing signal. The principles of InfiniBand mirror those of mainframe computer systems that are inherently channel-based systems. InfiniBand channels are created by attaching host channel adapters (HCAs) and target channel adapters (TCAs) through InfiniBand switches. HCAs are I/O engines located within a server. TCAs enable remote storage and network connectivity into the InfiniBand interconnect infrastructure, called a fabric. InfiniBand architecure is capable of supporting tens of thousands of nodes in a single subnet.

      InfiniBand is a trademarked term. The technology is a result of the merger of two competing designs -- Future I/O, which was developed by Compaq, IBM and Hewlett-Packard, and Next Generation I/O, which was developed by Intel, Microsoft and Sun Microsystems. InfiniBand was previously called System I/O.

      InfiniBand transmission rates begin at 2.5GBps.

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    6. Re:infiniband? by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a rift in the time-space continuum.

    7. Re:infiniband? by dsginter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Umm... I don't know about you... but that description didn't help me much... infinite bandwidth? What is this? How is this?

      Agreed.

      They should have called it "SynerBand" as in, "Synergized Bandwidth". Alternatively, eSynerBand-Numa.iFlex2@@@ would have been a good choice.

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    8. Re:infiniband? by wootest · · Score: 5, Informative

      Virginia Tech used Infiniband to wire up their G5 cluster. It's basically very fast I/O with some good logic built-in - "The technology addresses reliability by creating multiple redundant paths between nodes (reducing hardware that needs to be purchased)." is basically the same as the change from linear, Token Ring-ish networks to big Ethernet meshes like the Internet. I don't claim to know much at all about this, but seemingly it's the superior alternative today, and it sounds like it should be as well.

    9. Re:infiniband? by Tomcat666 · · Score: 4, Informative
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    10. Re:infiniband? by pomakis · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think infinite bandwidth is more thatn a little misleading! but to take an excerpt from their marketing blurb "The first version of the specification for the technology was completed in October 2000 and the InfiniBand Trade Association is well on its way to establishing a new signaling rate specification beyond 100Gb/s"

      100Gb/s? Then they're almost there! I'm sure infinity isn't much bigger than that.

    11. Re:infiniband? by StandardDeviant · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is mysterious and powerful. In fact, it's mystery is only exceeded by its power. ;)

    12. Re:infiniband? by Nimrangul · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was thinking before I replied to this, because I know a reponse that is funny to me, goes like this: So what is it? Then when explained the response is: So what is it? Then when explained again the response is: So what is it? Only kidding. But jeese, does anyone watch Red Dwarf anymore? Most people would just think I am a jackass, not that they'd be wrong.

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  5. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...before the site is slashdotted...

    The Linux world is bracing for the final release of the new Linux 2.6.11 kernel, which will include a long list of driver updates and patches, with InfiniBand support perhaps being one of most interesting new additions.

    Late last night, Linux creator Linus Torvalds issued the fifth release candidate for the 2.6.11 kernel. The first 2.6.11 RC was issued on Jan. 12; the second on Jan 21; the third on Feb. 2; and the fourth on Feb. 12.

    In the RC5 posting, Torvalds indicated that it was likely the last RC before the final release.

    "Hey, I hoped -- rc4 was the last one, but we had some laptop resource conflicts, various ppc TLB flush issues, some possible stack overflows in networking and a number of other details warranting a quick -- rc5 before the final 2.6.11," Torvalds wrote.

    "This time it's really supposed to be a quickie, so people who can, please check it out, and we'll make the real 2.6.11 asap."

    The long list of updates in the 2.6.11 kernel includes architecture updates for x86-64, ia64, ppc, arm and mips, as well as updates to ACPI (define), DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure, which permits direct access to graphics hardware for X Window System users), ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, which provides MIDI and audio functionality to the Linux), SCSI (define) and the XFS high-performance journaling filesystem.

    The 2.6.11 kernel will also be significant in that it includes driver support for the InfiniBand (define) interconnect architecture. InfiniBand, which is derived from its underlying concept of "infinite bandwidth," is a switched fabric interconnect technology for high-performance network devices that is common in a number of supercomputer clusters.

    The upcoming inclusion of InfiniBand support in the Linux kernel is a major step according to the InfiniBand Trade Association.

    "The inclusion of InfiniBand drivers in the upstream Linux kernel is a significant milestone," Ross Schibler, CTO of InfiniBand vendor Topspin Communications, told internetnews.com.

    InfiniBand support was available previously in various Linux distributions, but it wasn't part of the mainstream kernel.org Linux.

    "This now means that anyone that downloads a kernel will have automatic access to the software," explained Schibler. "It also means that any upcoming distributions (Red Hat, SUSE, etc.) will have the software included on their CDs. Previously SUSE had it on a distribution, but only in the 'unsupported' directory."

    Schibler sees the inclusion of InfiniBand as a testament to the maturation of the technology.

    "Now that the technology has matured to such a point that Linus has accepted it into the kernel, the way is paved for greater distribution of the code and accelerated deployment of the technology," Schibler said.

    The previous Linux kernel.org release, version 2.6.10 was issued on Dec. 24 after two release candidates. Linux distribution began including the 2.6.10 thereafter with Red Hat's Fedora Project being one of the first.

    Fedora Core 3 initially shipped with the 2.6.9 kernel and then upgraded to the 2.6.10 kernel on Jan 13. Mandrakelinux's 10.2 Beta 3 also includes the 2.6.10 release. SUSE Linux 9.2 currently includes the 2.6.8 kernel.

    Including the most recent kernel into a distribution is not a particularly easy task. The upcoming Debian, code-named Sarge, will only ship with the 2.6.8 kernel. In a release update e-mail, Debian Sarge release manager Andreas Barth related that a meeting was recently held to review the status of which kernel they would include.

    "The team leads involved eventually decided to stay with kernel 2.6.8 and 2.4.27, rather than bumping the 2.6 kernel to 2.6.10," Barth wrote. "This decision was made upon review of the known bugs in each of the 2.6 kernel versions; despite some significant bugs in the Debian 2.6.8 kernel tree, these bugs were weighed against the additional delays that a kernel version bump would introduce in t

    1. Re:Article text by strider44 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ross Schibler, CTO of InfiniBand vendor Topspin Communications, told internetnews.com. . . . "Now that the technology has matured to such a point that Linus has accepted it into the kernel, the way is paved for greater distribution of the code and accelerated deployment of the technology," Schibler said.

      That makes for an interesting comment, previously people have been ignoring linux and gunning for windows.

  6. Mac laptops by colinleroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    And G4 laptops with an ATI finally get sleep support thanks to BenH's work!

    (I know, "why would you want to run Linux on a Mac". Don't bother asking).

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  7. someone tell nvidia! by Mondongo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm running 2.6.10 and the NVidia X Driver won't compile against it ... someone tell NVidia to keep up with this!

    1. Re:someone tell nvidia! by archen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What distro do you use? It works for me using Gentoo, but I also use the unstable nvidia drivers (because I couldn't get the "stable" ones to work months back).

      Which reminds me, when is Linus going to leave the 2.6x tree alone so we don't have to worry about so much broken shit all the time? Imagine if Windows changed it's kernel a couple times a year and broke the video drivers each time. People would bitch endlessly, but I guess as Linux users, we just have to put up with it.

    2. Re:someone tell nvidia! by Proculation · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might have to patch your kernel even with the version 6611 of the drivers. The newest drivers by nvidia and 2.6.10 left me with a black screen when starting X.

    3. Re:someone tell nvidia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The driver is mostly open source. They use an open source abstraction layer to interface their driver with the Linux kernel. There have been quite a few patches including various 2.6.x patches and a Cedega fix.

    4. Re:someone tell nvidia! by agurkan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • It is very rare that you have to upgrade the kernel, check if you need to, before upgrading.
      • Nvidia drivers are kernel modules, so you need to run their installation program every time you upgrade the kernel, since hookups in the kernel may change and a module compiled for a given version of kernel may not work flawlessly with another version. This does not mean upgrade breaks video drivers, if you had to rewrite the drivers, then I would call it breaking.
      • You are barking at the wrong tree. If Nvidia release the source for their drivers, then it could be included in the kernel tree and you would not need to upgrade drivers seperately. That is not going to happen in foreseeable future. I do not think it is fair to blame Linus for this.
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    5. Re:someone tell nvidia! by cronius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which reminds me, when is Linus going to leave the 2.6x tree alone so we don't have to worry about so much broken shit all the time? Imagine if Windows changed it's kernel a couple times a year and broke the video drivers each time. People would bitch endlessly, but I guess as Linux users, we just have to put up with it.

      This is somewhat a Good Thing, and somewhat a Bad Thing. The latter is self explained, but the Good Thing about it is that the kernel developers are free to make not only good code, but great code.

      How many people bitch about Windows legacy crap? Do you think the developers over at MS wants to support all that old mess? Of course they don't, remember the win2k leak; in the code you could see all sorts of comments relating to hacks (that exact word) to prevent breaking legacy software.

      It creates a mess doing that, and one of the beautiful things about free software is that developers are free to persue the best solution to any given problem or task, even if it means rewriting mayor parts of the software (in this case the kernel). In Windows they can't do that, so they're stuck with the same mistakes they made many years ago. (Talk about solid code, eh?)

      In SP2 it looks like they finally gave up and decided they *had* to break something to close some huge security gaps (or whatever they were fixing). Free software (including the Linux kernel) doesn't have this disadvantage at all. Securityfixes seldomly break compatabilty, but new features sometimes do. In general, securityfixes are backported all the time, so you can safely use some old free software if a newer version breaks some compatability (given the old one is maintained ofcourse).

      But if you don't need the old compatability, the road to great code and great features are ahead. The choice is yours, choose whatever suits your needs. This is a Good Thing, and a good reason to use Free software.

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    6. Re:someone tell nvidia! by ilikejam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not trade secrets that they're trying to protect - they're using licensed technology in the 3D accelerated drivers, so they can't open-source them. I think I read that in an interview with a nVidia engineer.

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    7. Re:someone tell nvidia! by Fluffy+the+Cat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The kernel part of the driver has about 250K of source code (about half of which is header files) and 3.5 megabytes of binary. None of the userspace code is open. How is that "mostly open source"?

    8. Re:someone tell nvidia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      check
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4 6676/

      will work for 2.6.11 final.
      nvidia *does* care

      good luck!
      rSl

  8. Mirrors not caught up yet by philkerr · · Score: 3, Informative

    The UK mirror isn't showing 2.6.11 yet, perhaps it might be best to wait a little bit so they catch up instead of hitting kernel.org

  9. nVidia drivers don't quite work out of the box by Xpilot · · Score: 3, Informative

    However, Con Kolivas maintains a patchset for desktop users which incorporates a fix that allows the nVidia drivers to work at his kernel patch page. If you don't want the other stuff and just the nVidia fix, you can find the patch split out, and instructions on which patches to apply in his announcement of his patchset release. Check out the -ck patch though, it has a lot of cool stuff.

    (yay, I actually got a story submission in...hi mom!)

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  10. ACPI suspend? by idlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does ACPI suspend work on more laptops? Inability to suspend is a major problem with Linux on laptops right now, as there are more and more ACPI-only laptops. The situation is considerably worse compared to APM, in my experience.

    1. Re:ACPI suspend? by lennarth · · Score: 4, Informative

      swsusp2 works like a charm on most modern 'tops.

    2. Re:ACPI suspend? by gabbarbhai · · Score: 2, Informative
      Does ACPI suspend work on more laptops?

      Don't know about 'more laptops' but yes, as long as you compile your own kernel and put all USB, wireless card, agpgart, and related stuff in kernel modules. Unload these modules before suspend and reload them after. Of course, that also means that your USB stuff needs to be unplugged before you suspend. Works like a charm on Debian Sid and Ubuntu "Whory". No swsusp2 necessary for me.
      --Thinkpad R40 on Ubuntu Hoary (or Debian Sid depending on the day of the week), with 2.6.10.

    3. Re:ACPI suspend? by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would I have to unplug USB devices if I want to just disable the software support?

    4. Re:ACPI suspend? by jamesshuang · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you can get your laptop to suspend to ram, but waking up results in a dead screen, perhaps this program would help: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/video-post _0.1.orig.tar.gz It does the video-post that most laptops don't do when coming back up, resulting in dead screen, but working CPU after an S3 suspend

    5. Re:ACPI suspend? by Fluffy+the+Cat · · Score: 2, Informative

      In its current form? No. It's far more likely that the interesting bits of technology will be integrated into swsusp - there's no chance whatsoever of stuff like the in-kernel user interface going in.

  11. Lotsa good stuff by ThoreauHD · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like the serial and usb2 fixes. Looks like it's tested as a pretty stable revision. If anyone gets this installed before I do, post some impressions if you would.

  12. Not -so-natural high by necrodeep · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kernel junkies of the world unite! Your next fix has arrived!

  13. It wouldn't be the first time: by Mr+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    # urpmi --test magic
    The following packages contain magic:
    libmagic1
    libmagic1-devel
    libmagic1-stat ic-devel
    magicdev
    magicpoint
    mirrormagic
    php-i magick
    php-mime_magic

  14. Lies, Danm lies and Changelogs by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

    So it's now _officially_ all bug-free.

    Torvalds, you scoundrel you!
    Next you'll be telling us the kernel was made by the toothfairy for a lower TCO than windows...
    Oh wait..

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  15. NVidia Driver patches for 6629 with 2.6.11 by spankers · · Score: 5, Informative

    zanders at nvForums has posted patches to improve performance with 2.6.x kernels. Here's the thread:
    http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4 6676

    This is the cumulative patch:
    http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?att achmentid=10558

    1. Re:NVidia Driver patches for 6629 with 2.6.11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The driver itself (all the interesting stuff) is closed. There's a glue layer thats open to bind the kernel and the binary nvidia driver together, that HAS to be GPL licensed.... so they are all patching the glue layer, not the actual driver. //fatal

  16. A kernel patch for supercomputers ? by Gopal.V · · Score: 5, Funny
    TFA mentions that

    >InfiniBand, which is derived from its underlying concept of "infinite bandwidth," is a switched fabric interconnect technology for high-performance network devices that is common in a number of supercomputer clusters.

    So that works only for supercomputer clusters ?.

    Interestingly, the ChangeLog has some very small number of entries. The one I found most fun was:-

    Randy Dunlap:
    o [ide] make 1-bit fields unsigned
    I mean, other wise they would end up as "-1" or "0" (when you assume in code that "0" or "1" for 1 -bit fields). How did a sign-extension in the IDE (must be heavily used) be missed till version 2.6 ??. Typically, this looks like the average release - some bug fixes and a couple of big features which nobody (well almost nobody) would use on their boxes.
    1. Re:A kernel patch for supercomputers ? by iabervon · · Score: 2, Informative

      It only works for supercomputer clusters only in that, if you connect your computers with infiniband stuff, you might as well start calling them a supercomputer cluster.

      Assuming you use the 1-bit fields with "if (field)" or "if (!field)", it doesn't matter if they're signed, except that you'll get a warning (but the desired effect) for "field = 1". Problems come up when you use the value as a larger type, but that's not a good idea for code clarity reasons anyway, when the field semantically stores either a true value or a false value (in the sense that "if" uses). This change is really for getting rid of warnings (and improving maintainability) not fixing bugs.

  17. Inspiration from Red Dwarf: by T-Kir · · Score: 2, Funny

    Infiniband welcomes careful drivers.

    :-D

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  18. Score thus far by kmartshopper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux 2.6.11 SCO 0 Better luck next time

  19. Re:Help? Wikipedia to the rescue! by UnderScan · · Score: 4, Informative

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system:
    In general, the operating system is the first layer of software loaded into computer memory when it starts up. As the first software layer, all other software that gets loaded after it depends on this software to provide them with various common core services. These common core services include, but are not limited to: disk access, memory management, task scheduling, and user interfacing. Since these basic common services are assumed to be provided by the OS, there is no need to re-implement those same functions over and over again in every other piece of software that you may use. The portion of code that performs these core services is called the "kernel" of the operating system. Operating system kernels had been evolved from libraries that provided the core services into unending programs that control system resources because of the early needs of accounting for computer usage and then protecting those records.
    So that is the OS and the kernel. A new kernel version is new drivers and updated system services, which is a good thing. This is not the same as upgrading Win2000 to winXP or changing Linux distros as those involve many many more programs, libraries, & systems as compared (what is collectively known as an Operating System) to a kernel.

  20. Info for the masses by brsmith4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you that are unaware, since the poster doesn't explain at all what Infiniband is, I will explain it for you.

    Infiniband is a high-speed, low-latency interconnect used heavily with beowulf clusters (currently). Infiniband, like Myrinet, addressed many of the problems that are inherent with using interconnects like ethernet.

    The biggest problem with any TCP/IP based transport, in the world of supercomputing, is latency. The amount of error checking that is involved creates latencies that bring fine-grained (lots of memory reads/writes/swaps) calculations to their knees. As many clusters use MPI (Message Passing Interface) for sharing memory between nodes, a low-latency interconnect was needed to replace ethernet and TCP/IP. People have worked on reducing latencies over ethernet by designing raw transport stacks, relying on the switch and the quality/brevity of the ethernet connections (using short, shielded cables proved useful), to ensure accurate data transport, but none of these methods have proven viable.

    Infiniband has also been used as an interconnect for network storage devices as there are obvious advantages to this; eliminating much of that latency makes reads and writes to a device much simpler thus reducing overhead and improving overall throughput.

    More information on Infiniband can be found here at the Infiniband sourceforge page. This should give a sufficiently technical overview of what it does without any of the marketing talk.

  21. psmouse.c by MrNemesis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does anyone know if any work is being done on the rather irritating problem I (and a fair few others) get with the 2.6 input system? Every time I use a mouse that goes through a KVM switch or a USB->PS2 adapter, the mouse would spazz around crazily and syslog would fill up with:

    lost synchronisation, throwing [1|2|3] bytes away

    Adding psmouse.proto=imps made the problem go away for most usage, but it still occurs under very heavy load, which makes mplaying UT impossible :(

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    1. Re:psmouse.c by MrNemesis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aye, I've been perusing the LKML archives for a few days (since the system has only been up and running for a coupla weeks, and the first week was windows configuration) and I'm slowly compiling data about it and trying a few random patches - it's very much a known issue and goes all the way back to 2.5. If I can't fix it within a week I may well stump up the moolah (and I've got more USB->PS/2 adapters than you can shake a stick at), although getting it to someone outside the UK will be tricky.

      All in all it's still a very small blemish on what is otherwise the most crap-reistant system I've ever used :) I could probably solve it all by doing away with the adapters, but it makes dual booting a pain (esp. as I find USB very unresponsive in windows under heavy load).

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    2. Re:psmouse.c by MrNemesis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bah, hit return to early. Meant to post this chunk as well:

      Input: psmouse - reset mouse before doing intellimouse/explorer probes in case it got confused by earlier probes; switch to streaming code before setting scale and resolution, otherwise some KVMs get confused.

      There are a whole load of other relevant-sounding fixes in the input system listed as well; damnit, if only I'd found the full changelog earlier!

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  22. Time to... by Cyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... update your SCO licenses! /rimshot

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  23. what it is by r00t · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Infiniband is a "smart" fabric; it supports reliable data transmission. Note that, as with modem protocols, this causes ugly interactions with TCP retransmits. TCP is really designed to work over an Ethernet-like network, where congestion causes packet loss and not much else bad ever happens.

    You can use Infiniband as a LAN, for storage, or maybe for within a box. You could say that Infiniband starts where Hypertransport leaves off.

    For the short-haul usage, Infiniband is kind of big in terms of chip real estate. You can't cram it into a corner of a little FPGA like you can with RapidIO. For the long-haul usage, 1 gig or 10 gig Ethernet might be a better choice.

    Note that Intel, originally the primary sponsor behind Infiniband, no longer gives a damn. But hey, if you have money to burn...

  24. Show of hands... by Cyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who had been running 2.6.9 or earlier and just finished making a 2.6.10 kernel for the first time (e.g. because they suddenly needed new hardware support).

    *rhand* *grouse*

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  25. Re:Reiser4 by timster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since reiser4 is in beta, I doubt it will be in the mainstream kernel particularly soon. It's going to be tough to use experimental filesystems without using experimental patches. I don't think anyone sane is storing important data on reiser4 partitions without doing extensive backups.

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  26. ChangeLog by Sunspire · · Score: 2, Informative

    The linked changelog is only the changes between 2.6.11-RC5 and the final version, that's why it's so short. Is there a complete changelog available somewhere?

    Also, does anyone know what the status of inotify support is? I think a lot of people would be glad to see it merged, as apps like Beagle require it and the new Gamin daemon (a FAM replacement) should work much better with it.

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    1. Re:ChangeLog by Scrapheap_Challenge · · Score: 2, Informative

      Changelog 2.6.11 (Summary of changes from v2.6.10 to v2.6.11)
      Or go to kernel.org and click on Changelog next to 2.6.11 :)

  27. Still no PATA Support? by bnavarro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There doesn't appear to be a full changelog yet, but I have been following the release candidates, and it appears that Parallel ATA (AKA "Ultra ATA") Hard disk support is still not in the kernel.

    This is frustrating. I had purchased an Ultra ATA Hard disk drive (which came bundled with a Serial/Parallel ATA controller), and I had it working fine under SUSE Linux 9.0. What I didn't realize at the time was, Promise made proprietary drivers for SuSE Linux, and no other distro.

    I have wanted to switch over to Fedora Linux for some time now, but although it is able to detect my SATA card and load drivers for it just fine, It does not recognise the PATA connector, and does not locate my hard drive, as a result.

    There does appear to be a patch available for this, but it is still officially "in development", and I am concerned that it will not make it into the mainstream kernel in time now for Fedora Core 4 to be able to recognize my hard drive, and install to it.

    This is so frustrating. What is the holdup? PATA support appears to have been discussed for almost a year now and it is still not in the kernel. There appear to be a lot of Ultra ATA hard disks on the market; I can't be the only one encountering the frustration of not being able to install a modern version of Linux due to lack of driver support.

    1. Re:Still no PATA Support? by bnavarro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is for Promise Serial ATA controllers (PCI card, not built into the motherboard). Specifically, the Promise FasTrak TX2Plus (rebranded as a Maxtor SATA/150)

      You got it to work? With which vendor's card?? At this point, I am so frustrated, I'm willing to throw money at the solution and buy a new Serial/Parallel ATA controller, if it is affordable enough ($20-30). My understanding, however, was that libata itself (not just the individual drivers, like sata_promise) had no support yet for the PATA connector on any SATA adapter.

    2. Re:Still no PATA Support? by Astatine · · Score: 2, Informative

      See my other post. You don't need a PATA-bridged-through-SATA connector. Honestly. And with the current driver situation they're about the worst things to try to use. Connect the drive to one of the native PATA ports on your motherboard, or if you don't have any spare, pick up a native PATA interface card, e.g. a Promise TX2 Ultra ATA133 (with PDC2027x series chipset).

  28. thinkpad? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    anyone know if the X series of thinkpad IBM laptops will suspend properly now? mine doesn't return from sleep, and won't even begin to suspend to disk properly. (thinkpad x30)

    then again, X goofs up for me with the bios 'hybernation' feature too. though I think that's independent, as it still "works" - just with screen garbage on resume.

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  29. Re:SCSI Permissions by JerkBoB · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to patch the vanilla kernel in the following way so that cdrecord works for non-root users.

    Perhaps I'm being dense, but why go through the trouble of patching the kernel? Why not just set up sudo? Something like the following would allow anyone in the cdrom group to run 'sudo cdrecord ...' with no password:

    %cdrom ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/cdrecord

    You could even set up an alias like this: alias cdrecord='sudo cdrecord' so that you don't have to remember the sudo bit.

    Call me crazy, but patching your kernel every time just to be able to record CDRs seems silly. I can understand not wanting to be root to use cdrecord, though.

    And actually, the more I think about it, why can't you just change the permissions on the devices(s) to be group-writable by some group (e.g. cdrom) and make your users part of that group? I feel like I must be missing something.

    I dunno. Seems like there are two very easy solutions to your issue, but maybe I don't understand the scope of the problem.

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  30. Re:SCSI Permissions by phorm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's mine. It allows all users to run CD-burning apps as root via sudo:

    ALL ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/xcdroast, /usr/bin/cdrecord

  31. Re:SCSI Permissions by shredwheat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are more to the issues than device permissions. The main part of it is that cdrecord needs to lock some of its buffers into non-swappable memory. This is a priveledged operation in an unpatched kernel.

    I believe the patches allow trusted(?) applications to lock small amounts of this memory without requiring root.

    Something like that, I follow along enough to know what's going on, but don't understand everything to it.

  32. Re:SCSI Permissions by JerkBoB · · Score: 2, Informative
    I believe the patches allow trusted(?) applications to lock small amounts of this memory without requiring root.

    Hmm... I haven't heard anything about this, but my gut response is bafflement. What's wrong with setuid or sudo? Why reinvent the wheel? (no pun intended)

    /me shrugs

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  33. ahem.. by carlmenezes · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google knows all.

    err...actually, google knows all who know all :)

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  34. Re:great by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Informative

    "I am sick and tired of the next Kernel announcement talking about its support for some esoteric system or system that most of us don't use."

    Two things have really bothered me, one was the fact that framebuffer console support for ATI Radeon cards was horribly broken in kernel releases that were supposed to be "stable, tested, for production". This went on forever. It started working again in 2.6.8, I think. It should have been flagged as experimental, if it didn't work. Without the framebuffer device, I can't use the system at all; it's essential to me. In fact, it's on the short list of things Linux will do, that Solaris, FreeBSD, and Windows will not do.

    The other thing that bothered me, has to do with CD Writing. It seems that in kernel developer land, more people have SCSI CD Writers, and IDE CD Writers are unusual. But in the real world, IDE CD writers are far more common, and SCSI CD Writers are prohibitively expensive. But the whole CD Writing support treats IDE CD Writers like some kind of odd hardware from the top to the bottom, and the developer of the cdrecord client has been totally unprofessional about the whole thing.

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  35. Anyone got VIA EPIA CLE266 driver to work on this? by Brane2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    VIA's support for Linux on EPIA boards is crap and I can't compile accelerated framebuffer for CLE266 and vesafb doesn't work for EPIA.

    X11 driver works, but I need terminal emulation on framebuffer and also directFB should be quite a bit faster than X11.

    VIA is offering source, but that source doesn't compile on 2.6.10 or 2.6.11.

    It seems that there were quite some changes in fbdev in that time and I can't make that source to work with 2.6.11.

  36. Re:great by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Palm pilots, iPods et al. are not really in the domain of the kernel developers - they are all strictly userland issues. So it would be up to distro makers and people writing KDE/Gnome programs to interface with things like palm pilots or iPods.

    USB 'plug and play' (USB hotplug) has been supported and has been working for years. I've never had a problem with USB devices where there's been a program to use them (or a driver, for example USB mass storage).

  37. Re:great by gunpowder · · Score: 4, Informative

    The other thing that bothered me, has to do with CD Writing. It seems that in kernel developer land, more people have SCSI CD Writers, and IDE CD Writers are unusual. But in the real world, IDE CD writers are far more common, and SCSI CD Writers are prohibitively expensive.
    But the whole CD Writing support treats IDE CD Writers like some kind of odd hardware from the top to the bottom,


    because they are ;)
    Modern IDE ATAPI CD/DVD writers use the 'SCSI-3 mmc' command set. So basically they are SCSI Writers in IDE disguise. But internally they are not full SCSI devices, as they only support a small subset of all SCSI commands.

    As a kernel hacker, what would you do?

    1): write a SCSI Emulation layer that makes those IDE ATAPI devices act as full, real SCSI devices (from the software point of view). No redundant code, easier to maintain if done correctly.

    2): write a specific IDE ATAPI driver and one specific driver for SCSI devices. Some redundant code, but more 'optimised' for each type of device


    Linux has both.

    1) was not maintained for quite a while, and obviously was badly written at first, thus nobody wanted to clean it up and it was maked 'deprecated'. But it still offers more features than 2).

    OTOH 2) has DMA support which makes it attractive for many people, but is quite new and some app developers are afraid to support it, since the API might still change.

    and the developer of the cdrecord client has been totally unprofessional about the whole thing.

    Nobody has to love Joerg Schilling, and I often don't like his attitude either. However everybody is entitled to have his/her opinion, and in his case he thinks that everything except the SCSI way sucks (he loves Solaris and FreeBSD because they have good SCSI support). So naturally he despises 2), whereas the rest of the linux developer try to make it the default.

    He produces the best CD/DVD writing application for linux, and he knows more that most other people when it comes to CD/DVD writing. And he has a point when he says that you should still use the ide-scsi driver whenever possible, because ide-cd driver is NOT complete and still lacks important features. The problem is that since he is quite a SCSI fanatic many people are not taking him seriously.

  38. Re:SCSI Permissions by dsd · · Score: 2, Informative

    It should work fine, provided that:

    - You are using a recent kernel (2.6.11 includes a fix for the command filter, please upgrade...)
    - You have write access to /dev/cdrom
    - You are using cdrecord -dev=/dev/cdrom (using dev=ATAPI will *not* work)
    - You are using a recent cdrecord
    - You have an MMC-compliant cd writer. (Some of the less common ones which follow non-standard command sets will inevitably have problems at this point in time)
    - cdrecord must not setuid root (I think this problem may be fixed in the latest version, but make sure it is not setuid just to be sure)

    If you are really getting problems after confirming that you are running a sane setup, then you should check the "dmesg" output. For any command that Linux rejects, it will print out a message the first time it rejects it. This will be in the form of something like: Unknown opcode 4d

    Once you have that opcode, maybe someone will be kind enough to look it up in the SCSI specs for you and see if it can safely be permitted in the kernel command filter.