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Linux on the Tipping Point

Reader stormcoder wrote to mention an article on Enterprise Linux I.T. in which the author posits that even though Linux is built on a legend, the reality of Linux outstrips even the myth. From the article: "..the fact that Linux has traditionally been compared to Microsoft's Windows brand products and not the other Unix variants will most likely lead the general public to perceive all this as Linux sailing on to new horizons while Microsoft stalls out. This perceptual shift should totally reverse the previous mainstream view that Microsoft and Intel were somehow at the forefront of high technology computing -- thereby pushing Linux over the magic edge of a social tipping point."

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  1. Yadda, yadda, yadda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All people want to know is if it can run their word processor, their games, and their stupid movies their friend send them.

    1. Re:Yadda, yadda, yadda by bcmm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Games are an issue. There is a real chicken and egg problem there, i.e. good games could be written for Linux, and Linux would dominate, but until if dominates there is no reason to write games for it...

      Word processing: MS office can run on it; I find Oo.o better for basic paragraphs and formatting, and who actually using the drawing tools in word?

      Movies? No problem! Even MS formats that have been only for WMP (even on win32) in the past play ok now. Maybe players could use better GUIs, but that is being worked on with stuff like kmplayer. Besides, most email-forward-type stupid movies are actually flash or Powerpoint. Flash is fine; every Powerpoint feature that I've tried works in Oo.o Impress, with, IMHO, smoother animation.

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    2. Re:Yadda, yadda, yadda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All people want to know is if it can run their word processor, their games, and their stupid movies their friend send them

      IT managers could give a flying fuck about games and movies. The main problem with corporate Linux is that it doesn't run the 15 years worth of special-purpose Windows applications that exist.

      Then you see "Wine" focusing on running Half-life, while it's totally useless for VB6 and Access applications. Get your fucking priorities straight!

    3. Re:Yadda, yadda, yadda by Jameth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But Linux doesn't need them for Linux to succeed. Linux is succeeding in the router, the PVR, the supercomputer, the cellphone, everything. The desktop can come last, or even not at all, and Linux will be a success anyway.

    4. Re:Yadda, yadda, yadda by Zphbeeblbrox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You show me how I can get a free debugger, with more features than gdb, on windows. Then we'll talk about how linux doesn't have any good development tools. There are plenty of great editors, debuggers, and compilers for the linux platform out there. And with projects like blender and soon K-3D out there, even graphics development isn't a hinderance. The tools are there.

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    5. Re:Yadda, yadda, yadda by spitzak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If Linux reaches a "tipping point" there will be tons of programs and movies for it. Everybody, even Microsoft, will start writing for it.

      Too many people keep asking where the open-source free version of their Barbie Fashion Designer is. Hey, Microsoft is not writing that and including it with Windows, you know. How in the world, then, does Windows survive without that being written and included by Microsoft? It's because other people write it.

      The fact that people have put so much hard work and time into making things like Open Office or the KDE or Gnome applications is proof that people are desperate to do anything to get rid of Microsoft and will literally do hundreds of times as much work as Microsoft has to do, in order to defeat them. If it was not for Microsoft's monopoly it would not be needed, as commercial software would be available for Linux or whatever the alternative system was.

      Unfortunately the fact that Open Office was written has given rise to the greatest piece of FUD ever, spouted repeatedly right here by the astroturfers. That is that for some reason every application on Linux has to be open source and given away for free, and that without it you will not get any software for Linux.

      Since I am personally working on an evil closed-source capitalistic piece of software for Linux, and making a good paycheck selling it right now, I consider this attitude pretty stupid and very misleading.

  2. Ironic by caustiq · · Score: 5, Funny

    That page was riddled with Microsoft Windows advertisements...

    1. Re:Ironic by bcmm · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's pretty cool. Most people will laugh, few will believe the ads, and meanwhile MS is paying them for each person who reads an article about Linux's superiority.

      I wonder if any /.ers believe the "TCO" ads on /.?
      (Only here could you get meaning from a string like "/.?")

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    2. Re: Ironic by damiam · · Score: 2, Funny

      How does it feel to be an annoying, predictable Slashbot?
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    3. Re: Ironic by dhakbar · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, I think he was touching on the point that such comments that describe stupid practices of Slashdot users have become a stupid practice of Slashdot users.

      Was your comment supposed to be witty?

  3. It's the year of Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really! It is!

    No, really!

    *cough*

    1. Re:It's the year of Linux! by mrbnsn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Horse manure. Another case of history being written by the victors. Computing had already been taken out of the hands of the wizards (due more to Wozniak and Jobs than anybody) when IBM came along, and, through a series of accidents, settled on Microsoft and Intel as the core of what was destined to become the industry standard personal computer architecture.

      They very easily could have picked CP/M on Z80 or OS/9 on 6809, and the history of personal computing would have been completely different. Intel and Microsoft brought nothing to the computing masses that the rest of the flourishing industry wasn't able and eager to bring. They just happened to receive IBM's blessing, and nothing more.

  4. The article understates it by earthforce_1 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Most basic home or small business MS systems ship with XP home edition, and you are in for a rude surprise the instant you try to connect it up to a home or office LAN.

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    1. Re:The article understates it by Chmarr · · Score: 2

      Well, I thought the Home edition was fixed at using DCHP, and most home routers nowdays (the wired or wireless variety) have DHCP servers. Certainly a lot of businesses do. So... what's the problem?

    2. Re:The article understates it by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This correct, but I have seen strange issues on a LAN with more than say 5 computers. Such never occurs on XP Pro.

      But the larger issue is that Windows is intentionally crippled in order to extract larger licensing fees. With Linux in general, you don't have to worry about this.

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    3. Re:The article understates it by Nasarius · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm no fan of Microsoft (posting this with Firefox on Gentoo Linux), but to be fair, that's not quite true. Few home LANs use a domain server. Simple LANs should work at least as well as they did in Win98, which was fine for me.

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    4. Re:The article understates it by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Informative
      This correct, but I have seen strange issues on a LAN with more than say 5 computers. Such never occurs on XP Pro.

      No, not until you get to 10 computers with XP Pro. (There's a 5-network-connection limit on XP Home, 10-network-connection limit on XP Pro.)

      Back in NT 3.51, Server and Workstation differed only by a couple settings which you could make and then have a Server. Microsoft got smarter about that as the years went on, and now you can't make the low-cost version look/act like the high-cost. And you're right, Linux is the way to go here because you get full functionality from the get-go (for Free as well).

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  5. Re:What the hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tipping Point is defined in the article. If you didn't read it, don't comment.

  6. Who cares? by Enjoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People have a preference, I'm not bothered if more people use linux. It's good for me because of what I do, I'm not desperate to get everyone else using it.

    1. Re:Who cares? by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is fine for you, but I am an IT consultant and part of my job is to help customers use technology to the best of their ability.

      I have on careful analysis decided that the future is Linux. As usual, I am way ahead of the curve (beyond bleeding edge, I would say), and so I have invested quite heavily in learning Linux.

      So it is important to me whether Linux catches on. Linux is easier to learn than Windows in terms of any complex task, and I don't want to go back and learn all the ins and outs of SQL Server on Windows when I would rather be implimenting PostgreSQL on Linux.

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  7. Where have I heard this before? by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh yeah, every year for the last several years. Examples follow"

    March 2003

    July 2003

    November 2004

    December 2003

    1. Re:Where have I heard this before? by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if people keep on guessing, eventually someone's going to be right. Right?

    2. Re:Where have I heard this before? by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I should add, I just think it's turning into a "boy that called wolf" kind of situation. Eventually it will happen, but not because you keep saying "this is the year".

    3. Re:Where have I heard this before? by JPriest · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, they started back in 99.

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  8. Perception is everything by copperbeech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perception - although cosmetic - is the foundation of ideas. Ideas rule - not politicians. They are the office-boys of government. This change of ideas is where the world changes. Isn't it great to be there while IT is happening and be aware of it! Matt

  9. Newsflash: Linux is awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  10. All that linux needs to dominate the desktop is... by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kickass 3d shooter games and support for devices.

  11. What? by Adam+Avangelist · · Score: 5, Informative

    It consists of a Linux kernel developed by Torvalds and his colleagues by radically improving an earlier open-source Unix released by Andrew Tannenbaum in 1987 If he is implying Linux was is based on Minix, he is incorrect, albeit, extreamly early versions of Linux did use the minix filesystem and minix to bootstrap. In design, though, Linux and minix are fundementally different. Also I am sure Tanenbaum would disagree that Linux is a radically improved version of Minix -- as he is an advocate of microkernels.

    1. Re:What? by Marcus+Green · · Score: 2, Informative

      Minix was designed explictly for educational purposes. Tannebounm deliberatly resisted changing it to be unsuitable for that purpose. Calling it a toy is abusive in the way that saying that a book that is an introduction to operating systems is a toy because it is not an advanced level PHd tretise on operating systems.

  12. Microsoft at forefront myth by philovivero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are many varied reasons that Slashdotters hate Microsoft. But this brings up one of my pet peeves about the corporation, the perception that it's on the forefront of computing technology.

    I remember as a young lad downloading a copy of Slackware on 12 diskettes, installing it, and having a revelation as I realised that there was something better than DOS on top of which we could build a GUI and desktop system.

    It was a thing of beauty, to see this brand new thing called Linux which came with source code (gasp) and made DOS and Win3.11 look like the crap it was.

    Imagine my devastation when I started reading history and found out that Linux was just continuing a then 20-year tradition of open source, stability, and multiprocessing. Then I had to watch the slow decline and shittification (to coin a word) of the industry as Microsoft became more and more powerful.

    It was depressing to me to watch as person after person suffered through BSODs, memory mismanagement, corrupted data, etc. whilst I knew that sitting right there on my HDD, with no marketing clout, sat the answer.

    Microsoft is navigated by some brilliant captains. But they're brilliant sociopaths, consistently destroying everything that is Right and Good about our industry.

    I found myself apologising to users for the lameness of the software they were using, and unable to really provide them with any alternative.

    It makes me a really happy person to look at Linux these days. Thanks to RMS, IBM, Novell, SuSE, RedHat, and others (the non-sociopathic brilliant people (fuck you, SCO)), Linux is looking really, really good today.

    I'm actually finally considering migrating my wife off of Win32 (she types Chinese, and Chinese input under Linux was pretty useless up until this month) and onto Mandrake 10.2b3! Milestone.

    Linux rightfully deserves the title of being on the forefront of technology. Microsoft? They were holding us back.

    1. Re:Microsoft at forefront myth by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      Why is it then that you never migrated your wife to OS X then? It has all the same mystic/mythic qualities as Linux, and has the same roots and even a stronger history (BSD->NeXT->OS X) and it doesn't have the crippling UI or software.

    2. Re:Microsoft at forefront myth by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm surprised you can sit there with a straight face and say "Windows has held the world back" and in the next statement say "Thank god Linux finally allows to world to type in their native language".

      It seems to me like Microsoft HAS been farther along in many technologies than Linux, such as native language input and localization for years. It seems to me Linux is still playing catchup to many of MS's supposedly inferior technologies.

      Not that I disagree that MS hasn't, on some levels held technology back, but frankly the Linux community hasn't done much to push it either, though things are starting to change on that front. Linux is begining to stop copying everyone else and start doing some of it's own thinking for a change. That's a good thing.

      You seem to think that Windows is still the same as DOS and Win3.1. Windows has improved at a much faster rate than Linux for the first 10 years or so. It's only now that Linux is beginning to pull ahead.

    3. Re:Microsoft at forefront myth by ThisIsFred · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Not that I disagree that [GNU] hasn't, on some levels held technology back, but frankly the [Microsoft] community hasn't done much to push it either, though things are starting to change on that front. [Microsoft] is begining to stop copying everyone else and start doing some of it's own thinking for a change. That's a good thing.
      I think it's interesting that we can exchange the two in this paragraph, and it makes just as much sense. There are cases to be made against both. Saying that GNU copies things is sort of a silly accusation to make. No kidding. The GNU system's stated purpose is to make an (improved) workalike of UNIX, without actually copying the code. I likewise don't see the purpose of accusing GNU/Linux of copying and then trying to contrast that with Windows, which is basically the result of ideas copied from MacOS, CP/M, and UNIX.

      It seems to me like Microsoft HAS been farther along in many technologies than Linux, such as native language input and localization for years. It seems to me Linux is still playing catchup to many of MS's supposedly inferior technologies.
      This is just one example of the many things that will provide us with many hours of debate surrounding the two operating systems. Windows and GNU/Linux development are driven by two entirely different processes; one requires that the product be complete so that it may delivered in a retail package (at the expense of features and with an emphasis on backward compatibility), the other is developed by a loosely connected network of developers that add features they find useful. Chinese localization may be important to one person, but I've no need for it. There are plenty of UNIX-style features that I wish Windows had, the absence of which makes my job as an administrator a lot more difficult than it should be.

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    4. Re:Microsoft at forefront myth by 808140 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've been typing Chinese on Linux for well over three years now. When I got into it, a mature, useable (although admittedly not "pretty") solution was already available: XCIN. It, in turn, had been based on the work of folks in Taiwan from around, I think, 1995. The Japanese have been hacking on OSS for ages too, and Japanese input has been around for even longer.

      Nowadays, there's SCIM, which rules, and it didn't just come into being "this month", although I'll admit that it is new. It's much prettier looking than XCIN, and it has a better pinyin input method, which is important for people that type Chinese that way (I use wubi). SCIM's wubi support has some small problems when used with alternative keyboard layouts like Dvorak that were relatively trivial to work around in XCIN.

      Frankly, when I'm forced to use the stock input methods that come with Chinese Windows (MSPinYin, gag), its user unfriendliness is absolutely horrible. No one in China really uses it, they all install third party input methods.

      The ability to write third party input methods has existed as long as the XIM standard for the X Window System has, which, oh, lets see, would be the late 80s? It's just a matter of market share. Until recently, few people in Asia were using Linux. Now they are, and so they're writing input methods.

      I'm pointing this out because Chinese input has nothing whatever to do with Linux. It has to do with the X Window System, which has supported a framework to input CJK text forever. Windows' stock Chinese input method sucks so much that no one here uses it.

      I mean, it's just a completely moronic comparison, and I don't know why it keeps getting modded up.

      Oh, and with respect to Mac OS X: I hate to burst your bubble, but Mac OS X's CJK input method sucks a fat one. My girlfriend (she's not Chinese) has a Mac, and SCIM rocks all over that POS. The only nice feature it has is the zooming character thing, which is kind of cool (but like most sort-of-cool things, gets annoying really fast and I'm not sure how to turn it off.)

  13. Myths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Furthermore, the Linux operating system itself is neither a new invention nor a stand-alone product. It consists of a Linux kernel developed by Torvalds and his colleagues by radically improving an earlier open-source Unix released by Andrew Tannenbaum in 1987, the Gnu utilities developed by the free software foundation, several graphical user interfaces akin to Microsoft's Windows brand products and a slew of third-party applications.
    What? Minix was Open Source, despite the term not existing at the time? Gnu is a proper noun instead of an acronym? Why the hell isn't Free Software Foundation capitalized, if you going to mention the people who did most of the "Linux operating system" just in passing by at least capitalize their organization! RMS isn't mentioned at all... No wonder he believes that:
    In reality, the facts around which this myth evolved were generally right [..]
  14. Huh? by Adam+Avangelist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Linux is well ahead of the latest Microsoft products and so shines in such comparisons. It is not, however, remotely a leading edge system in the same class with the BSD family of Unix products and Sun's Solaris.

    The BSD family of Unix is very large some may say it also includes HP-UX. Though if you include the open-source BSD's: Free, Open, and Net BSD. I would disagree that it is not even in the same class as them; as Linux has far more commercial support and technical features.

    Also some may consider Windows NT based systems to be part of the BSD family, or atleast its TCP/IP stack.

  15. Can't have it both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...the fact that Linux has traditionally been compared to Microsoft's Windows brand product...

    Either Windows is the standard and its emulation the ultimate goal or Windows is junk to be ignored. Which is it Linux? The only people who have satisfactorily answered that question are the fine folks over at Apple. They've forged their own path while Linux strives to be "more like Windows".

    1. Re:Can't have it both ways. by ThisIsFred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linux desktop environments strive to look more like Windows. There's a huge difference between that, and actually being built like Windows.

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    2. Re:Can't have it both ways. by dont_think_twice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Either Windows is the standard and its emulation the ultimate goal or Windows is junk to be ignored. Which is it Linux? The only people who have satisfactorily answered that question are the fine folks over at Apple. They've forged their own path while Linux strives to be "more like Windows".

      You think that Linux, a kernel, strives to be "more like Windows"? Ignore your zeroth order error in anthropormorphizing a computer program, and your first order error in suggesting that the Linux kernel wants to be an operating system.

      Assuming you mean the gnu/linux operating system wants to be like the Windows operating system, you are still full of shit.

      Plenty of people use gnu/linux without a windowing system. Is the OS they are using striving to be like windows? I can't see how it is.

      Plenty of people use gnu/linux with a minimal window manager, such as fluxbox or fvwm. Is the OS they are using striving to be like windows? If you think that Windows invented the idea of gui's and graphics, perhaps. But any rational person would conclude that they are using totally differnt operating system.

      Plenty of people use gnu/linux with a window manager such as Windowmaker or XFCE, which has some similarities to Windows, but is very differrent. Perhaps you think these window managers to be striving to be like windows. If so, then you might want to take a closer look at these window managers. XFCE has more in common with OSX or CDE, and Windowmaker is a clone of the NEXTSTeP interface.

      And then there is GNOME and KDE, desktop environments which do strive to create an environment similar to Windows or OSX. So what you are really saying is that the dekstop environments that try to be like Windows are trying to be like Windows.

      Not really that insightful, is it?

  16. outta left field... by gov_coder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    as the article states - is the effect of the new powercell chip from IBM. I, too, am eager to get my hands on a workstation that will be up to 10 times faster than anything from intel. Apparently linux is the only major OS with support for the chip at this time. No support is mentioned by microsoft for the chip - and I wonder, had MS ever successfully supported a non-x86 architecture for any real length of time?

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    1. Re:outta left field... by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No support is mentioned by microsoft for the chip - and I wonder, had MS ever successfully supported a non-x86 architecture for any real length of time?

      The answer is yes. They've supported PPC, ARM, and Mips for years with Windows and Windows CE.

      You should try to get out more.

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  17. TFA == random bollocks from uninformed writer by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux acceptance has been driven by its perceived political correctness in the mass media, itself an artifact of the legend of Torvalds

    Linux is politically correct now (outside /. that is)?

    Fundamentally, everybody likes to be leading edge,

    Geeks do. Businesses don't give a toss.

    most of those who did replace a few Windows servers with Linux soon found that the software's quality led to much bigger benefits in terms of operational stability, support staffing and the overall integrity of their information systems.

    Well gee, that's new. The fact is, small companies install and run Windows, and put up with the problems, because they just can't afford a "linux guy".

    Most people agree that products like Sun's Java Latest News about Java desktop don't have as many features as Microsoft's integrated office suites, but people willing to give up some bells and whistles are finding the open-source products fully functional and free of the proprietary limitations built into Microsoft's products.

    Because Java isn't proprietary?

    As a result, the fact that Linux has traditionally been compared to Microsoft's Windows brand products and not the other Unix variants will most likely lead the general public to perceive all this as Linux sailing on to new horizons while Microsoft stalls out.

    No, the general perception is that Linux is arcane, and Windows is kind of annoying but "easy". I'm talking about moms and pops' perception...

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  18. Re:All that linux needs to dominate the desktop is by MatthewNewberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You already have Doom 3, and Half-life 2 with wrapper software. Dont know what else you are looking for?

  19. My view of things. by Mr_Icon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the best possible situation would be if Linux is used on office machines, since it's so much easier to lockdown and centrally administrate than other mainstream OSes. At home, people would use Mac OS X, because it's much better at providing peripheral support and simple means for end-user administration. Either that, or Windows.

    That's a world I could happily live in. :)

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  20. I knew it! by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Linux is built on a Legend" - Slashdot.

    That will be $5 billion please. Unmarked, and no funny business.

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  21. The huge groups of tech-ignorant people by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If users who get their computer knowledge from fashion magazines see a change, it will be from Windows to a marketed, hip, device. The Mac being currently marketed to such segments almost as an "internet attachment" to your iPod makes it the most likely candidate for the fashionistas who are tech-clueless.

    The class of managers and marketers who are tech-clueless and perceive the PC as a fancy addition to their typewriter or calculator may very well perceive Linux as the new and better upgrade to the PC.

    One thing that's frequently downplayed is that Linux will run on both Mac and PC hardware. Showing off Linux running on these two hardware platforms will go a long way toward telling the tech-clueless that Linux goes well beyond traditional personal computers: both in abilities and in their lack of turf wars and platform exclusive tricks. (And if it helps enlighten a few politicians, judges, or patent attorneys about what an OS is, all the better)

    Linux is the tech of tomorrow that can replace the dodgier tech that's being pushed today.

    1. Re:The huge groups of tech-ignorant people by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The article is bizarre, because it seems to be talking about the perceptions of tech-ignorant people (he gives examples like his grandma, and people who have lots of misconceptions about Linux), but then he freely mixes in things like "A code development system [for Windows] adds $529 [to the price]," which are only of interest to programmers.

      If the article is supposed to be about the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, well, sorry, but it just ain't gonna happen soon. It's not that Linux is inherently hard to use, because it's not -- I have 6 Windows boxes and one Linux machine in my physics lab classroom, and often students just sit down at the Linux machine and start websurfing in Konqueror without even realizing they're using Linux. The two big problems are:

      1. People have lots and lots of data in formats that are only supported by proprietary Windows software. For example, my elderly neighbor has megabytes worth of genealogical material (digitized wills, etc.) on her Windows box in a format that she can only use with the proprietary genealogy software she bought.
      2. Joe sixpack doesn't have the skills to install an OS. He doesn't know he can buy a machine with Linux preinstalled, and even if he did find out he could buy a Lindows box through the Walmart online catalog, he would need support. Who's in the business of providing phone support to clueless newbies running Linux for the first time, and how much do they charge for a support contract?
  22. This was the same in 1999,2000 for servers by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was exactly the same way for servers back in 1999, 2000, 2001. In fact, the only ones to get it right was IDG and Gartner, when they proclaimed that Linux would have less than 1% of servers on the internet by 2005. And we all know that Linux on the servers have not gone well. Right? Oh wait....

    I suspect that we have allready gone over the tipping point. It is now just a matter of companies such as IDG/Gartner to point out that they were wrong on this as well. Of course, their own income will plummet.

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  23. "Tipping Point" == Latest MBA-Factory Buzzword by Salamander · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A social or economic tipping point is characterized by a sudden burst of mass sanity as mainstream public opinion abandons an unsustainable mythology in favor of something closer to reality.

    It can also be a sudden burst of mass insanity as mainstream public opinion gets caught up in a new myth like the "new economy" of the dot-bomb era. Such a one-sided definition totally misses the point of how or why such change (for which "paradigm shift" was the previous buzzword) occurs.

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  24. Re:Yes, you can by symbolic · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Linux has it right. Apple will forever be relegated to a niche market, and if that works for them, that's fine. However, the prospect of Linux is much greater. In order for something to appeal to the masses, who have been spoon-fed one particular operating system, you have to learn to speak their language. Once you do that, you can gradually coax them into your camp, but I don't think you'll get many takers if you insist that they speak your language. People are generally lazy - they'll take the path of least resistance.

  25. One Hand? by Delta2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Mr. Torvalds, a poor graduate student in Finland, single-handedly invented a computer operating system called Linux

    Doesn't it take two hands to type?

  26. People want windows by nnnneedles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I predict the following: Linux will never threaten windows on the desktop.

    People want windows because:

    1) They want everything to just work instantly. Windows does this, as far as the average user can tell.

    2) They want access to all programs out there, just in case they ever need them. Just having web, email, and a word processor is not enough, because there is always a small chance that they might need to install something exotic two years down the road.

    3) They want to be able to play games. Even my mother wants this, and she has only played two games in the last 10 years.

    Sorry, but something really extraordinary is needed to even threaten Microsofts dominance, much less overtake it. Linux can hope to become as popular as Macintosh, but even that is very hard. Apple stuff is easy, remember?

    It is very likely, however, that Linux becomes as dominant as Windows is on the desktop for everything that isn't a desktop (or has a gui). And this in itself is pretty awesome.

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    1. Re:People want windows by Theatetus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      1) They want everything to just work instantly. Windows does this, as far as the average user can tell.

      ROTFLMAO. The last two times I installed Windows XP it wouldn't load the driver for a simple RealTek NIC. The Device Manager would just say "Ethernet Device" and not say what type it was. If I manually specified the driver for it, it would say "Error 0: Device refuses to start".

      In contrast, SuSE loaded the correct module without any input on my part, DHCP'd from the router, and I didn't have to think about it.

      Same thing with sound cards. I had a Vortex soundcard that Windows simply wouldn't load a driver for. I grovelled through newsgroups and vendor websites for weeks looking for a workable driver. None of them worked. The sound card works fine in Linux.

      Windows apologists can say til Kingdom Come that Windows is better with hardware, but the simple fact is that if that were true I would never have switched to Linux. I switched to Linux because it supported hardware without a headache, and Windows wouldn't.

      Windows is less user friendly on the install than most Linux distros -- but most users don't install Windows. Give them a pre-installed Linux and they'll be just as happy. Happier, in fact, if they ever need to change hardware.

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    2. Re:People want windows by dahlek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Agreed.

      A pre-installed windows system against a pre-installed linux system sort of ties - windows may be easier to stick new hardware into, but linux is easier to maintain and won't "degrade" in 6 months...take your pick...

      Now, take an empty PC and stick an OS on it - Linux wins HANDS-DOWN. Linux, out of the box, gives you a secure environment and fucntional environment.

      Windows out of the box is a joke, requiring third-party utilities to give you a basic measure of safety and even basic functionality - driver disks, office-suite disks, etc.

      Right, right - most soccer moms won't attempt to install their own OS, however, if such soccer moms would be given a pre-configured linux system, they would also do quite well.

      Apples to apples (all things considered), linux is easier. I'd even venture to say MUCH easier in many cases - for example, how many soccer moms realize the pitfalls of SP2? How many realize that "experts" suggest turning OFF the new standard firewall in favor of third party firewalls? (and so forth, and so on, etc.)

  27. Linux is gaining ground. by Mad+Ogre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I work in a rural Utah computer shop, and every day, I'm seeing Linux make inroads.
    I've got about a dozen customers fully converted to it for desktop use. The downside is that these customers are no longer coming in every couple months for spyware and virus removal or other Windows fixes. Go figure.

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  28. Deja vu by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    All over again. I remember when MSFT was just starting to get into networking back when Novell cast a shadow over all that market. People would say that MSFT would not displace Novell on the network for "years and years". The perception changed before the actual numbers shifted very much. Novell was a big company that treated their customers with distain and contempt, much like MSFT treats you today. You can't treat people like MSFT treats their customers and expect them not to look at alternatives.

    My opinion is that people who pooh-pooh Linux are going to wake up and find themselves on the wrong side of the learning curve. The fact that MSFT feels the need to sling mud at Linux speaks volumes in itself. The way Redmond has taken to squeezing more revenue out of their existing customers in order to shore up quarterly numbers. They're sure acting like a company on the defenisve.

    Apart from MSFT, all the really fun stuff in IT is happening in OSS. There's no way a company the size of MSFT can be as nimble and OSS is a more efficient development model. Building on the shoulders of giants. MSFT can't compete with that.

    You mention "several years" but only have examples from two.

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  29. But still by justsomebody · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every year number of users grows for more than double.

    I call that year of Linux. "Year of linux" term is not defined by M$ still being biggest (or how big share it has), but with increase number of linux users and servers (and in last years with profit that companies make with linux).

    p.s. if new users would keep comming with this rate, people would have to increase their sex activity just to provide new linux users in about 20 years.

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  30. Tipping point? Not yet. by Tavor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Linux is close to the tipping point, but isn't there yet. What needs to happen before it can:

    User friendliness.

    Cleaning up the kernel some.

    Device manufacturer acceptance. (Too many manufacturers don't make drivers available like they do for Windows and Mac. Downloading them is okay in the short term, but this needs to change.)

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    1. Re:Tipping point? Not yet. by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You actually have the driver problem in reverse...
      Windows users have to find the manufacturer website and download the drivers, or else use the old ones that came with the hardware (if any).
      Linux distributions typically come with a good set of drivers which will support all the hardware in most modern machines, infact a modern linux distribution like mandrake actually supports MORE hardware out of the box than windows does, such as SATA.. If you have SATA drives then windows won't install without third party drivers, many video cards aren't detected byu default and are driven by generic (slow) drivers. A lot of users don't even realise they need to update the drivers either.
      Also, linux distributions present a single place to update everything, not just the os but also the drivers, windows update does provide a facility to update your drivers, but most hardware manufacturer's don't take advantage of this so it's rendered useless.

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  31. I would add by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also note the idea that Linux is derived from Minix. Of course anyone who knows anything about kernel architecture knows that it may have *inspired* Linux but certainly did not provide a codebase which was "improved" in Linux.

    Furthermore, the only technical advantage I can find for Solaris is that it is closely tied to Sun's hardware, and so runs quite well on expensive systems. Having used Solaris X86, I have concluded that the OS is featureless and difficult to use in comparison to Linux. Similarly with all the other commercial UNIX types, you still see the fact that the main advantage which is sold is its tight optimization for specific hardware.

    I thought the article was a bunch of crap, but then I have never seen the ideas he says are being superceded.

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  32. Linux is the next Windows by Andrew+Cady · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The trouble with operating systems is that in order to be useful they have to be popular, or at least compatible with other popular operating systems. An OS, or anyway an OS interface, is a natural monopoly. Microsoft was founded on the notion that natural monopolies are great ways to make loads of money without actually doing anything productive, and they have been very successful exploiting this fact, even as they have been incredibly detrimental to computing generally.

    Linux is in exactly the same position, and the free software world needs to recognize this. Unlike Windows, Linux's monopoly was not created to exploit its users; unlike Windows, Linux's monopoly is not -really- exclusive (it is just Unix). But Linux's chief selling point is still mere compatibility -- with both hardware and software -- and because of the power of this inertia, Linux can succeed without actually being better. This is what makes Linux the next Windows.

    Unix was a great system in 1970. It was a far, far better way to manage a computer than the most popular approaches at the time, and became successful because of this. It was a great contribution to computing.

    Today, however, by all rational measures it should be obsolete. Nobody designing an operating system today would make it anything like Unix, unless they wanted it to be compatible with Unix. I don't want to get into specific critiques -- if you disagree on this point, then just ignore me. If, however, you see the myriad outdated approaches in the design of Unix, then you will realize the problem here.

    Systems like Plan9 or EROS use designs obviously superior to Unix, and are destined to fail because of this, not in spite of it. If we do not figure out the problem here and fix it, we will be stuck with Unix for as long as it took to get rid of Microsoft -- maybe longer.

    Ken Thompson said it thusly:

    You can have the best and most beautiful interface in the world and the most extensible operating system that ports to anything and then you have to port on top of it a thousand staff-years worth of applications that you can't obtain the source for. You have two choices: Go to Microsoft and ask for the source to Office to port to your operating system and they'll laugh at you; or get a user's manual and re-engineer the code and they'll sue you anyway. Basically, it'll never happen because the entry fee is too high.

    Anything new will have to come along with the type of revolution that came along with Unix. Nothing was going to topple IBM until something came along that made them irrelevant. I'm sure they have the mainframe market locked up, but that's just irrelevant. And the same thing with Microsoft: Until something comes along that makes them irrelevant, the entry fee is too difficult and they won't be displaced.

  33. Re:2005 Year of the Linux PC by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd have to agree.. all my nerd friends are at least interested in linux, whereas 5 years ago they thought it was too arcane and annoying and stupid. Attitudes are definitely changing.

  34. Re:Ironic... I think not by garroo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why building a browser into the distro, rather than just using the "best of breed" or offering a couple options during install, it completely foolish to me.

    I hate Konquerer, although it HAS gotten better. But I just hate having HTML rendered in my file browser.

    Damnit, why does the Linux community have to copy every crappy assed idea of Microsofts?

    I miss the days when KDE ran FAST and didn't have a lot of "prettiness". Instead of the community focusing on building a Counterstrike Killer, instead it's all about anti-aliased fonts (fine, they are nice, but is it that big deal?), bloated User Interfaces and a billion different distros.

    Did I mention I hate Konquerer?

    Begin modding me down. I'm used to it. (opinions on slashdot that don't fawn over the subject usually get modded down as trolls.)

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  35. "Myth" of linux? more like myth of the Myth by xtermin8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know of anyone who considered linux a significant technological breakthrough. Its claim to fame has always been how it was "free." (even by people who don't understand the issues behind software freedom.) The only thing this article contributes is a tie-in with the latest jargon of the day "Tipping point." BTW I agree that BSDs should deserve more attention than linux, but I don't think articles like this will help achieve that.

  36. As with all things.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Jenna Jameson will show us the way.

    I converted one of my workstations over to linux as a means to broaden my horizions. Not too long after that I got a call to finx one of my friends computers. After 3 hours of cleaning up malware of all kinds I learned that 1) He had a fetish for hot asian teens, and 2) I would only get this call again, since he didn't want to learn to use a newsreader.

    So I floated the idea of him getting a mobile rack and putting linux on a cheap 40 GB HD. I selected Mandrake since I had grown to loath Redhat.

    6 months or so later he uses linux almost exclusively. I don't have to say why. And he's bragging to his friends as work how awesome it is to surf for porn on linux, and how him computer isn't crippled by shit.

    But the masses, they don't hear the kind of cloistered evangelism taking place on Slashdot. It doesn't even exist in their world. But the dream of malware free porn does. It might not be the high road, but the way is there. And it has nothing to do with the rambeling delusions offered up in groupthinkgeek pieces.

    1. Re:As with all things.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So someone should come up with a 'PornOS" distro? Market it as the way to surf porn safely and then people will be installing Linux everywhere and not even realizing it. Brilliant!.

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    2. Re:As with all things.... by spitefulcrow · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only issue with this is that the streaming video systems found on most porn sites don't always work properly under Linux + Firefox/Mozilla...

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  37. Critical mass at the doorstep in germany by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Linux will reach critical mass in germany within the next 12 months. Everybody with more than 2 braincells and some IT knowledge has predicted this for years. For more and more partners I work with it isn't a question of wether or not one should use Linux, but how to apply it. It's actually a thing I bet my business on two years ago and to date I haven't regreted it.
    MS Windows is done with. People allways call me insane when I say this, but even the most notorious Windows users here say they will migrate to Linux when Win2K support ceases.
    It could very well be that MS will pull a publicity stunt and start releasing their own Linux Distro, with DX9, NTFS and all. They'd have to admit having done a big mistake, they'd be 3 years late, but I guess with 40 billion on the bank it's not such a big problem taking hold of the 15% growth FOSS IT services market in something like 6 months flat.
    Anyway you look at it, the next years are going to be interessting and probably lot's of fun aswell. :-)

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  38. "Tipping point" by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think we just found the ideal antonym for "beleagured".

  39. That's a silly question... by Lendrick · · Score: 4, Funny

    A lot of people on Slashdot have tons of experience typing with one hand.

  40. You mean it will "just work"? by WoTG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most homes and small offices are just fine with XP home. Plug in, DHCP from router and you're done.
    Heck, to add a network printer, just browse the network and double click - the drivers generally install themselves. WAY better than Windows 98 and W2K.
    IMHO, at $100 for OEM, Windows XP Home is a pretty good deal for the average home user and small business. IE and MS Office on the other hand can be replaced quite well by free OSS alternatives.

  41. linux sucks by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of us can't run it because...
    - the software support isn't there. No CATIA, no ProE, no etc. Can't be an engineer using Linux alone.
    - it is still fucking slow. Hate to break it to you, but as a long time xfce4 user, XP is still faster. Yes, doing everything CLI is probably faster as far as system response goes. But it's slower for getting things done because double-clicking an icon is easier than typing /usr/share/baoeu/otehu/ -x -die. Pressing a flurry of keys might feel faster, but it isn't actually faster.

    And so, until linux developers wake up, linux as an engineering tool will not progress. Engineers already have a million pieces of proprietary scientific software they have to learn; adding linux to that isn't worth it when there is fast, and stable Windows XP.

    And it's stable enough as a desktop, though not as a corporate server. Maybe that's because, in at least one thing, MS has its priorities straight. They've focused on making an OS that's sane to use while attempting to make it stable. And, lo and behold, it works.

    still haven't gotten octave working with gnuplot. fuck it, i've got more important things to do. i'll do it in matlab.

    1. Re:linux sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      btw... matlab is available for several platforms... including Linux...

  42. What is allowed to be discussed? by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In my experience no operating system does everything I want it to do out of the box, and Microsoft Windows and MacOS X only come close when I install a bunch of third-party software that didn't come with the system. Also, this entire framing of the debate ignores the far more important issue of software freedom (and many would, no doubt, cite the circular argument that this lack of debate on software freedom is proper and right because the mass audience doesn't know about software freedom).

    People's choices are narrowed to favor things which proprietors can cater to. The framing of the issue excludes alternatives to proprietary software, effectively narrowing the allowed scope of debate. Free software OSes don't ship with many personal computers, and they aren't advertised to the degree proprietary software is, and they are often behind in features. But they excel in delivering software freedom--something proprietors cannot deliver at all. In many venues there is no discussion about what the free software community has been working on for the past two decades. Sometimes, if free software comes into play at all, it is just used to drive down the cost of some proprietary software (I recall reading a New York Times report which talked about a Microsoft memo that said something to the effect of "Lose no sale to Linux").

    Perhaps if we did a better job of teaching the importance of valuing software freedom for its own sake, we would see this values reflected in more people's opinions (much to the ire of software proprietors).

  43. data point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Desktop Linux is here. It works like this, in case you have been living in a cave and have not noticed:
    1. Joe User's Winblows machine dies of spyware/malware.
    2. Joe User gets ripped off taking his poor machine to big_chain_store for a fix. He pays one two two hundred bucks for "factory new" settings. His wife's baby pictures, their printer drivers, 101 other settings that took months as well as all their third party software that made the experience bearable.
    3. Joe User's computer is then owned and blown five minutes after hooking back up to the net.
    4. Someone gives Joe a live Linux CD which blows Windoze away.
    5. Joe never looks back.

    It's easier to fix a broken windoze computer with Mepis than it is to reinstall windoze. You might even retrieve your wife's pictures with it and you will surely not have to spend hours digging up browsers, spell checkers, paint programs and all the other software that makes a Winblows computer usable.

    There are enough people like me willing to help Joe at no charge to make it much cheaper too. I teach a Linux for desktop users at a local computer club and can say that interest in free software has never been higher and the migration has never been easier. They are able to teach each other once I get them going. The progression is geometric and Microsoft will never catch up.

    Game over.

    1. Re:data point by sirReal.83. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You missed the point. Realize that you could s/Mepis/Ubuntu/ in both your post and your parent's and the meaning would be the same. Desktop-oriented Debian-based distros are niiiice.

      Fedora is great, too, but people usually want to see what they're getting into before they install it. That means you want a live CD.

  44. But I thought... by bonch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read comments on Slashdot telling me that Linux has better support for devices than any other OS, and already has all the kick-ass 3D shooters. Doom 3, UT2004, and so on. Now you're saying it needs both.

    What Linux needs to dominate the desktop is one single unified desktop environment, based on a single universal API akin to .NET or Cocoa, that replaces the kludgery that is X11 and focus on the best usability we've ever seen. Get rid of that crappy start menu and taskbar Windows rip-off. Get rid of all those hideous fonts, redundant menu items (KDE ships with "Control Center", "Utilities," "System", and "Settings" as seperate menu items). Everyone needs to start over and do it right the first time. Where is the binary installer/uninstaller API? Better yet, where is the drag-and-drop installing that OS X has? Nope, let's rely on conflicting console package managers for another ten years. That'll bring the mainstream developers to port their products.

    When you have ten versions of the same functionality, it's not "choice," it's redundancy. Most OSS people see things in black-and-white where all choice is good. There is moderation for everything, and you have to look at situations on a case-by-case basis. The desktop split that forces me to install two entire desktop environments just to be able to run all the apps out there is completely insane, and if some other company like Microsoft was doing it, everyone would be all over it.

    Based on the obsession with KDE and GNOME in the Linux world, I don't see changes happening any time soon, though GNOME seems to be the one not afraid to break the mold and actually try different things for usability's sake. People bitch about Windows, and then when GNOME does something different, and according to all usability studies better, than Windows such as changing the button order or having a spacial finder, people bitch that it isn't close enough to Windows. It's gotten to the point that I've decided people don't really hate Windows at all. They just blindly hate Microsoft but want a Windows to use.

    Just my opinion. I'm tired of hearing about how Linux is "almost there" every year, and it never happens because the attitudes and focus don't change. As far as I'm concerned (and this is the recently-converted Apple zealot in me speaking), OS X already beat the OSS world to the punch five years ago when it comes to GUIs on top of UNIX. KDE and GNOME feel like shallow 1998-era wannabes in comparison once you've used OS X all day.

  45. I'm sorry, but... by bonch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As much as I dislike Microsoft, if it wasn't for them, I think over two-thirds of Slashdotters reading this wouldn't even be into computers like they are now.

    Hate the business practices, but don't hate the technology. Microsoft is a great software company; they were just stuck with the problem of DOS backwards-compatibility for ten years. I haven't seen a BSOD since late 1999 when they released Windows 2000 and began unifying all their Windows products onto that codebase.

    And another thing for Microsoft-haters, get over Clippy! Haven't seen him since '99 either. And Microsoft Bob was in '94--11 years ago. It's time to live in the now.

    Linux rightfully deserves the title of being on the forefront of technology

    I don't think Linux is on the forefront of innovation at all. What it has popularized (it sure didn't start it) is community-based development. But it's based on a 30+-year old UNIX model, and its desktop environments resemble Windows in many areas. A prominent OSS guy whose name I don't recall said it best--"All the volunteer effort in the world, and what do we do? We clone UNIX, then we clone Windows on top of it."

    If there was ever a top innovative OS, I would say NeXTStep. A lot of the features it had are just now making it into mainstream operating systems, OS X included. And yet, GNUstep/Openstep efforts flounder and get ignored while "Qt" and "GTK+" continue to get used. Sigh...

  46. No... not yet by MicroBerto · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've posted this link tons of times on slashdot, and I'm not going to stop now.

    READ THIS BOOK: Crossing The Chasm: Marketing High-Tech Products to Mainstream Consumers

    Every one of you who reads this site regularly should read it. Linux is not yet at the "tipping point" of crossing the chasm. The past year has been enormous though. I give it 2 more years, personally. IBM and Novell are huge and will make it happen.

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  47. The author gets it wrong... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the article: " It consists of a Linux kernel developed by Torvalds and his colleagues by radically improving an earlier open-source Unix released by Andrew Tannenbaum in 1987"

    No, no, no... How many times do we have to tell these people that Linus DID NOT ALTER MINIX to produce the Linux kernel!!! When will these people get it right before blathering on?

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  48. Re:my 8 year old niece is in love with Linux by Stalyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    heh well if she's 8 and uses linux... not only that but gentoo and can install programs via emerge... well she wont have any problems with installing a printer or video card. also getting into college and doing well on the SATs...heh

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  49. Why Linux has no games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's not really the problem. It has more to do with Linux as a game development environment totally lacking any good tools and debugging. Game developers don't want to have to make these tools themselves, that only hinders development times.

    I have to disagree. The lack is not in code or tools to produce code. Linux does not really lack for game code -- it is at least as rich as the Windows world in available game libraries, and vastly richer in codebases to crib from. Some very extensive projects have been conducted, and very little has been built on them (Crystal Space is a great example).

    The lack is in content -- audio, video, graphics, and even well-written English text. Almost every Linux game project I can think of has a severe lack of content.

    On the Linux Game Tome today, if I search for top-rated games, the top-rated is Battle For Wesnoth. That game at one point used cribbed graphics from a commercial game, currently has a very limited 2d sprite set that would have been par-for-the-course in the Super Nintendo's heyday, and has character facial portraits that are atrocious (one more comment about the prince looking awfully fruity, and I think everyone will go insane). And this project is known for having rather good graphics for the Linux gaming world. I don't mean to bash the Wesnoth people (hell, I've hacked on the codebase), as they have a fun game. But the limiting factor is very definitely graphics.

    Another game I've enjoyed is lincity. Good game, all open-source and not just a clone of a closed-source game -- but the graphics are reminicent of bad MSDOS game graphics.

    After Wesnoth on the "top rated Linux games" list is Freeciv. Freeciv has graphics that are reasonable...for a decade-old game. It does not improve on the game it is cloning.

    Next is BZflag, possibly the most popular 3d-accelerated multiplayer Linux game. It has incredibly simple graphics (note that 2.0 has improved things a bit). DOOM is really more graphically complex than BZflag. Again, fun, but it's simply not remotely able to compete with modern 3d games when it comes to texturing and modelling.

    Next is Neverball. While this game has decent-looking textures, it also has no more than a handful of textures all told, perhaps a tenth or a hundredth of what a commercial, closed-source 3d game would probably have.

    Next on the list is NetHack. NetHack is a terminal-based game (not that I think that this inhibits gameplay, as I just finished a four-hour stint playing Tales of Middle Earth), with extremely simplistic tile-based graphics. There have been a few attempts to improve things -- Falcon's Eye is a notable NetHack fork, with music and alpha-blended graphics -- but still nowhere near modern commercial-quality graphics. Now, as the NetHack aficionados among you know, NetHack can be a lot of fun, and while long-term replayability depends more on game logic than graphics, anyone who thinks that graphics and sound don't play a key role in making a game enjoyable is simply not being honest with themselves (and I would suggest that they try watching a horror movie with the sound off).

    I am not demanding that open source developers do differently. I hack on games for the fun of it, and would not be interested in producing graphics, because I am not a good artist, or someone that finds creating game graphics fun. Good coders like donating their time -- perhaps because they are in a position that currently pays well and lacks enough employees that they do not need to compete as hard, and can afford to give away work as gifts for the sheer enjoyment. Artists work in a rather more competitive world (there are simply more people that want to be artists than there can be funded artists), and do not seem to be able to enjoy the same gift-based culture.

    Another consideration is degree of work commitment. Code is largely opaque to the user, and differences between programmers large

    1. Re:Why Linux has no games by kidtux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was fortunate enough to buy a few of the Loki games when Loki was still in business. Games like Myth II and Heroes of Might and Magic III are fun, but broke now. HOMM III works, but the alpha map editor pales in comparison to the Windows version - there's always WINE. And while I do have a Transgaming subscription, it hasn't been particularly useful because I'm not a 3D gamer, and I've never been a fan of intense 3D games. Diablo II is about as 3D as I get, and the only reason the Transgaming subscription has paid off. I've shown a number of Windows users Frozen Bubble, people who have gone on to download FB for their Windows system. No, we don't have games on the store shelves, but they're definately out there and people are playing them.

  50. I Care Because... by Bilbo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I care because, as Linux gains traction in the market,
    1. Manufacturers start releasing Linux drivers for their hardware along side of the Windows and MAC drivers
    2. Web sites stop building their sites to only work with IE on Windows
    3. PC manufacturers sell more systems with Linux pre-installed for the average user (which makes my job of playing everyone's Professional Geek easier).
    4. PC manufacturers reject the idea of hardware which *ONLY* works on Windows (read: winmodem, Windows only printers, etc.)
    5. It becomes easier to convince average users that yes, your little home PC really does work better (fewer viruses, spyware, etc.) with Linux
    6. Budget ISPs (like WalMart, BlueFrog, Nescape, NetZero, etc.) release dialers and connection utilities for Linux, so I don't have to custom configure a system if a friend wants to use a dial-up provider instead of spending $45/month for a Cable or DSL service he or she only uses once in a while
    7. At work, I don't have to fight with the IT group every time they try to re-image my workstation with the latest "Standard" XP image, or explain yet again why I really *DON'T* need to update my anti-virus software on a daily basis in order to keep their network free of virus threats.
    I could go on, but these are a few reasons off the top of my head why I think it really does matter that Linux is continuing to gain traction on the desktop. There really are advantages to gaining momentum. Linux was my primary OS long before it was "Popular" or "Politically Correct", but I can see plenty of advances that have come about because Linux is now on everybody's radar screen.

    Do I think that 2005 will be the magical "Tipping Point" for Linux? I don't really think we are going to see a mad rush for Linux on computers sold at stores like CompUSA, Best Buy and WalMart, or even online stores like Dell, but there is certainly a smell of change in the air...

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  51. Rebuilding Kernels? by Bilbo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    > And the whole kernel compiling is a horrific concept to non-techies.

    Huh??? Which century are you living in? I used to build custom kernels all the time, but it's been several years since I had to compile a kernel. I suspect that the average user needs to recompile a Linux kernel almost as often as they need to re-compile their Windows kernel. Granted, most distros come with horribly bloated kernels with every module in the universe installed, and building a custom kernel is much more efficient. but it is hardly necessary.

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  52. Torvalds... by SailingDeity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...single-handedly invented a computer operating system..."

    Not a soul helped him...

  53. Old news by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 2, Funny

    1996 called, they want their tipping point back.

  54. May be Mac Mini instead by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Here's my own experience; maybe yours varies:

    Non-computer people see the computer as a single entity - it's not quite Windows that crashes, it's "the computer" (but they do seem to know that Microsoft is to blame). They really don't give a crap about the distinction between the OS and the computer, so they may see it as more reasonable to get a whole new computer rather than perform what they perceive as "brain surgury" to put Linux on it (and which Linux should it be? Red Hat, Linspire, Gentoo, etc... kind of confusing for someone who doesn't follow this stuff and isn't quite sure what role Linux plays on their computer).

    So here's the logic as I see it: now that a Macintosh can be had for a reasonable $500, and getting a new, "different kind" of computer seems like the best solution, the Mac Mini seems more likely to replace Windows on the average desktop than Linux. Everyone's heard of the Apple Macintosh, and Mac software does sometimes appear in retail stores (besides Apple stores). It seems to be selling well enough.

    Now, we know that it's cheaper to install Linux on your existing hardware, but just try to put yourself in the shoes of average, don't-care-about-computers-they're-just-a-tool person and imagine how they see things.

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    1. Re:May be Mac Mini instead by zpok · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What ho, I'm not so sure (well, you're obviously right about baby Jesus and the one button mouse)...

      For years Fnac (French pan-european books music and electronics store) offers macs but with salespitches indeed basically going "Macs suck, look at this Compaq here..."

      But recently this has changed completely, I now hear them sell the thingies pretty balanced: "No, it doesn't run Windows, maybe that's a problem for you, but maybe not? What do you want your computer to do?"

      And other intelligent noises like that. And indeed sell a good number of iMacs, portables and mini's. I gather pro's don't buy their G5 powertowers there...

      Sort of like Hell froze over. Must be because they also sell a gazillion iPods every day...

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  55. As usual, "Linux can already do that" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  56. Ask and ye shall receive by menace3society · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lesbian Gnu/Linux. Porn-get into it!

  57. Groupthink. by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2

    Why is that so many people here assume all /. or Linux users (other than themselves) must share the same goals and viewpoints?

    I mean appart from the AC, from which I expect no better, at least four other people thought the comment was "insightful". Or did they simply choose ignsightful because there is no "+1, pro Apple" modifier?

    Anyway, for those who still not get it. Linux has no goals. It is a piece of software. Each person who work Linux has his own goals. Sometimes these goals are similar, and other times the means to achieve the goals are similar enough, that cooperation is possible. This is true both for the Linux kernel, and for the software that is assciated with Linux despite in general running on many different Unix platforms (including Darwin), and often also MS Windows.

    What is cool about free software is that this is possible, people can work on different goals, and the those who manage to create the most useful code will win in the marketplace of ideas. So some people can work on making interfaces on top of Linux that make the computer look more like an MS Windows or MacOS box to the average user, while other people work on new and innovative ideas.

    The marketplace will sort it out.