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FCC Extends Set-Top Box Deadline

Kadin2048 writes "The FCC today announced that it was once again rolling back the date (PDF!) for the eventual ban of "integrated set-top boxes" distributed and leased by cable companies to consumers, from 2006 to 2007. The move was a slight nod to the cable providers, who wanted the ban removed altogether, and a minor setback to the consumer electronics industry, who would have preferred that it stay on schedule. The ban would prevent the largest cable companies from integrating their digital content security devices with their navigation devices, allowing consumers to 'mix and match' the navigation or DVR set-top-box of their choice with a standard CableCARD security interface device. Currently, most digital cable set top boxes combine these two functions, meaning that digital cable customers who want DVR functionality must rent one from their cable company. By preventing the cable companies from leasing them to end-users, the FCC hopes to foster competition in the set-top-box market and allow more consumer choice. A statement from FCC Commissioner Johnathan Adelstein (PDF) was released simultaneously. The battle has been carefully watched by all the major players in the entertainment and electronics markets, including Microsoft, which had previously weighed in on the side of the consumer electronics camp (pro-deadline), but then later agreed with the one-year extension."

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  1. hmm by tsalaroth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still think they should force the cable companies to allow third-party boxes, using open standards (even new ones).

    1. Re:hmm by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They already did that; it's called OpenCable/CableCard.

  2. altho.... by Ledora · · Score: 5, Interesting

    altho I am glad to see the FCC doing something to benfit the consumer, I really wonder if this is their place. it sounds to me like it is a "monpoly" type issue and should have been taken up with the FTC. But like the FCC rules to make broadcasters switch to digital I really wonder if this is the goverments place at all to be.

    1. Re:altho.... by SmokeHalo · · Score: 5, Informative

      From TFA (CableCard link):

      Why is the FCC interested in CableCard? The FCC has been promoting the transition from analog programming to digital programming as it looks to free up the spectrum used by analog television broadcasts. CableCard is supposed to help speed up the transition by making it easier and cheaper for consumers to access digital programming.

      And there you have it. The FCC is looking to clean house in order to make room for more signals.

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    2. Re:altho.... by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative
      The digital channels can be packed more tightly in the available broadcast bands without causing unacceptable levels of interference. This is because the new modulation techniques used for digital television are much more resistant to noise and interference. With digital television, you can put more stations in the same band or the same number of stations in a smaller band. Each station still uses 6 MHz, there is just less unused space between stations.

      The end result is that the FCC is going to recover spectrum by lowering the top end of the UHF band, as they have done several times in the past. That is how the 800 MHz cell phone bands were created. The original plan also would have recovered the VHF bands but that was killed by lobbying from the broadcasters.

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  3. are we hosed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought the FCC would actually take the opposing side of the Cable providers. Looks as if that's not so -- maybe the FCC should visit the homes of the top cable provider executives, get on their knees, and just finish what they're currently doing.

    For the love of Jesus, let the consumers win for once.

  4. They should probably be eliminated entirely. by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The cost of cable, while high, does not adequately cover the cost of cable programming; commercials do that. But if they're handing out devices that conveniently skip commercials they're decreasing the value of advertising, undercutting the ability of networks to deliver quality programming.

    This glut of reality TV ain't just because it's fun and interesting to watch average people compete for big dollars in unrealistic scenarios. There just isn't money to produce cool shows like Farscape or Friends anymore.

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    1. Re:They should probably be eliminated entirely. by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. The money IS there. It's just that their broken business model doesn't support it.

      People will pay big money for TV shows they've never seen on DVD. My cable company didn't start offering The SciFi Channel until well into Farscape Season 4, so I never saw it. Now I have all 4 seasons + Peacekeeper Wars on DVD, total cost: about $450

      On the other hand, I just cancelled my $50/mo cable service (no digital) because other than 1/2 hour of Family Guy every weeknight, there was nothing worth watching that wasn't festering crap.

    2. Re:They should probably be eliminated entirely. by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Great idea, unless I can't throw it on my Polaroid portable DVD player and watch it there (and we know that's gonna be the case). I'd much rather they stop screwing around and start allowing a la carte subscriptions, so I don't have to pay for MTV, CMT, VH1, etc... just to get my Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, and SciFi (kinda iffy on that one these days, though)

  5. No time like the present by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pushing back the deadline buys the cable companies more time to throw it out altogether. It's standard corporate legal strategy, where the only strategy is short-term - one after another.

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  6. Re:The FCC is dictating the MARKET now?! by BenFranske · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AFAIK there are no plans to ban cable companies from leasing set top boxes, only requirements they allow me to use devices without leasing a set top box. Sounds like a good thing to me.

  7. Canadians by teknokracy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Examples like this do make me wish the FCC had control over Canada. The CRTC only seem to care about Canadian content percentages on our stations, and not about competition, innovation, or anything that makes sense. Maybe if more Canadian shows and artists were GOOD, we wouldn't have to baby them on to the scene with handouts.

  8. Cable Boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Frankly I hate the cable boxes the cable company offers.

    I liked the good old days when the sign can and I could split it to my 2 TVs.

    Now they think I should buy/rent two cable boxes - one for each TV.

    Now that I have a TV that has Side by Side picture they think I should have two cable boxes for that one TV.

    It is geating crazy. My TV has a built in decoder for basic channels.

    Stop these stupid cable boxes!!!! just send the whole signal to my house and allow me to buy spliter and such as I see fit.

  9. Choice in set-top boxes by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful


    but no choice in cable providers.

    Personally, I would prefer the latter to the former.

  10. Re:Why ban them? by dreamt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its a ban from cables boxes that are not CableCard (or whatever they want to call it) enabled. It (essentially) means that instead of the cable box "decrypting" the signal AND being a tuner, it must have a seperate entity that is responsible for each of those functions. This means that other standard equiment can handle the "tuner" portion. The "decrypting" part is plugged into the tuner, just as the "decrypting" part would be plugged into a TiVo, HDTV or other standard item.

  11. Re:I want TiVo's software by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You didn't say it directly, but it's worth bringing out: Stand-alone TiVo's record an analog signal, and digitize it and compress it itself.

    DirecTiVo takes the digital stream from the satellite and writes it to hard disk.

    Wouldn't it be nice if I could buy a box, hook it up to my cable service, plug in an authentication module provided by the cable service, and record their digital stream directly to hard disk? Why do I have to rent their box which only has analog outputs, control it with an IR dongle, and have the digital signal go through decompression, d-to-a, a-to-d, and compression again?

  12. CableCards by wwonka74 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure this was also pushed back because the manufacturers of devices with cablecard technology still do not have all their ducks in a row. My local cableco supports and provides cablecards to customer's that would rather have them but the lack of 2-way communication certain niceties are ousted like the digital guide and pay per view(which is why I _enjoy_ the box in the first place). Our local cable company allowed customers to purchase their own HD converter boxes at local retailers and it was toppled because customers deemed the $350 price tag on the HD boxes outrageous so the cable company picked up the tab, ordered a slew of boxes and now leases them. Complaints about the use of set-top boxes need to be directed at the manufacturers of Televisions/VCRs and DVRs. They are the ones having most of the issues with compatibilty. Ask anyone with a Sony WEGA or a Mitsubishi TV how well their cableCARD works .. well it worked for a few days but now it's acting odd.

  13. wonder how this affects tv production? by Mark19960 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in the elctronics industry, and in the last year I have seen a tow fold increase in the number of sets with cablecard capability. I think its a good thing.

    I have seen samsung, sony, and thompson (RCA,GE, ect) with cablecard slots for the pcmcia card.

    so, will this derail production of set with this integrated capability? ive seen a lot of sets, and a lot of sets that arrive that customers actually lease cablecards from the cable co. here (time warner)

    so, I wonder if the number of sets with cablecard that I see for repair will come to a halt in the near future or what?
    seems like its heading down the path to being nuked altogether.

    but, I cant understand why the FCC has delayed this?
    the cable cos is still going to charge you to lease that pcmcia card, and its still going to be the same amount. now if there were rules that placed a cap on that, I am even more for it.

  14. For as long as... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The cable companies can win a one year extension every six months, they win. I personally bet they will try this. Content providers do this with copyright and trademark extensions.

  15. Worst Idea Ever!! by Lokni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about you guys, but I have leased DVR boxes from Time Warner for the last 2 years and in that time I have gone through 6 DVR boxes and 5 HD-DVR boxes with the 5 HD-DVR boxes being consumed since August. If I had to buy a new one each time it broke, I would be poor. With Time Warner I just drive down to their office and get a new one. $1,000 says that no consumer electronics manufacturer could top that. You would probably have to mail it in at a cost of $20, then wait for 1-2 weeks to find out if its eligible for warranty repair, and then another 2-6 weeks for it to be repaired and returned to you. I always thought home-brewed DVR systems were a waste of money because I have had such excellent service from Time Warner. But if I have to buy these things, consumer electronics manufacturers can suck my left nut.

  16. Re:Friggin Monopoly by sjwaste · · Score: 3, Informative

    If they do it your way, how do they cover their fixed costs? Do you know what fixed costs are?

    I'm almost positive the marginal cost in adding a new channel to your lineup is minimal; the majority of the subscription cost likely covers overhead. So they might be able to give you a la carte channel subscription, but there'll still need to be a heavy base service fee to do it. I might pay $65 a month for digital cable with the base channel package, and yeah they could probably charge me $40 for service plus a few dollars per channel. At that point, though, you might as well just pay the $65. The FCC might be able to help the consumer by opening up competition in various areas of the market as they're trying here, but they simply cannot alter your cable company's cost structure.

    You might argue that a cable company is a monopoly, which it isn't, but it is a pretty small oligarchy when you include the satellite providers (who, in many cases, arent any cheaper than cable). What half of slashdot seems to forget is that even in a market with few players, there are costs involved. Those costs will prevent you from paying by the channel without some sort of heavy base fee.