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Growth of Wi-Fi Opens New Path for Thieves

E. Harley writes "Wi-Fi connections are popping up all over the place from retails locations, schools, municipalities, and homes. Unintentionally or not, most of these wi-fi hot spots never change the system's default settings, hide the connection from others, or encrypt the data sent over it. This NY Times article [Free registration required] talks about the size and extent of the problem, and what has happened with law enforcement investigating criminals using these public connections. Also, the article updates us on an earlier Slashdot story about wardriving. That case is still pending."

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  1. License to steal? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When criminals operate online through a Wi-Fi network, law enforcement agents can track their activity to the numeric Internet Protocol address corresponding to that connection. But from there the trail may go cold, in the case of a public network, or lead to an innocent owner of a wireless home network.

    After reading the article, it gives me the impression that you have a license to do just about any illegal internet activity so long as your WiFi router uses the default SSID, broadcasts its SSID and keeps the default passwords. If anything is traced back to you, you just blame the WiFi-Boogeyman for any illegal activities originating from your IP address.

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    1. Re:License to steal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe so, maybe not. If the traffic is originating from your IP and the authorities track you down, don't you think they'll check your computer before you can blame it on the WiFi-Boogeyman. I think the WiFi-Boogeyman is more a defence you can use in court if the police didn't find anything on your computer.

    2. Re:License to steal? by nuggz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, they'll take all your computer stuff for a few years as evidence for their investigation.
      Just being accused of a crime is enough of a problem to worry about.

    3. Re:License to steal? by Bootard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Defenitly the cops will check out your computer to see if there is evidence in the logs; maybe they can check the physical address of the card too. But if you had a laptop out on the table and your illegal laptop hidden under the bed, you could probably get by with the WiFi-Boogeyman defense. ("This is my only computer; I don't know anything; I'm just a simple, simple man")

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    4. Re:License to steal? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In fact, to be on the safe side, you should actually use the wifi to do illegal things, in case they actually come by while something illegal is going on. (Or if they want to catch someone in the act.)

      Get a USB wifi adapter, or something that can easily be unplugged, stick it in your desktop computer, and spoof the MAC address. Have the router laying there, with the cable from your computer not plugged in. If the police come knocking at your door, yank the wifi out, slide it under a pile of junk, plug the network cable back in, and trip the surge protector for a second. (You may be able to set up the routing so you can leave the network plugged in.)

      Oh, look, the criminals saw the police, cut off their laptop, and ran. No, officer, this computer is plugged in, it doesn't use wireless. See, let me turn it on. I have a laptop that uses wireless, let me get it out of the bag for you.

      This thing laying by my computer? Oh, I have a friend with a laptop that doesn't have wireless, we use that so we don't have to mess with cables.

      What do you mean, 'open wifi point'? No, I specifically bought this kind of router because it was secure. WEP? I think I had to turn that off, my friend's laptop couldn't get on the internet. (Make sure you actually have said friend.)

      As long as you can stall police for four seconds coming in, and don't do stupid things like saving to disk. (There are tools for encrypted swap, and there are programs that can do two layers of encryption....encrypt some porn on the first layer, and you have plausibibly deniablity that the second layer exists at all.)

      Viola, a license to do anything illegal from the safety of your own home.

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    5. Re:License to steal? by notque · · Score: 1

      Not only that, they'll take all your computer stuff for a few years as evidence for their investigation.
      Just being accused of a crime is enough of a problem to worry about.


      But they only do that to people who are not me. This is a non-issue until I see it on the local news.

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    6. Re:License to steal? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      The police, despite what people think, cannot take and hold computer equipment indefinitely because they feel like it. Steve Jackson was a long time ago, get over yourself.

      They'll take the hard drive. (And probably make an image of it and give it back, unless they want to do lowlevel stuff on it. In which case they'll give the image back, instead.) They'll take the USB adapter, if they see it. They might even wander off with your wifi router, hoping it recorded something. (They'll demand the password for it, and you need to give it to them.)

      They do not get to 'punish' people they suspect are involved in crimes by taking things they don't need as evidence. The fact they ever did that was due to ignorance on their part, but now every police force has a nice set of 'what to take' guidelines, and it doesn't include your monitor or any part of the computer that cannot be used to store data. (Or has data, like MAC addresses, stored in it.)

      They will not leave you a working computer, it will have no hard drive. They will, however, leave you a computer.

      Of course, this is assuming they don't believe your story. If they did believe it, they'd probably ask to poke around in your wireless router for a few minutes, and then have you disable it until you can get someone to secure it.

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    7. Re:License to steal? by vasqzr · · Score: 1


      You've never had anything taken have you?

      You'd think they would take only the hard drive. But they don't. If you have a Mac, they'll take your monitor, mouse, keyboard...

      When and if you do get anything back, it's usually broken and covered with evidence stickers.

    8. Re:License to steal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The police, despite what people think, cannot take and hold computer equipment indefinitely because they feel like it.

      Of course they can't. No one claimed they could.

      But they CAN confiscate "evidence" and hold it indefinately.

      Steve Jackson was a long time ago, get over yourself.

      The SJG case shows exactly whatthe police CAN do, if they want. The fact it happened "a long time ago" is not relevent.

      They'll take the hard drive....They'll take the USB adapter, if they see it. They might even wander off with your wifi router, hoping it recorded something.

      Oh, well, that's okay then. It's fine the "wander off" with my equipment, as long as they don't "take" and "hold" it.

      They do not get to 'punish' people they suspect are involved in crimes .... but now every police force has a nice set of 'what to take' guidelines

      I'm sure every police department has guidelines that tell the cops not to use excessive force. But every week, you hear of another case of cops beating someone. What's your point?

      If they did believe it, they'd probably ask to poke around in your wireless router for a few minutes, and then have you disable it until you can get someone to secure it.

      It's my router, I don't have to secure it anymore than I have to close and lock all my windows if I don't want to.

    9. Re:License to steal? by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      I don't know anything; I'm just a simple, simple man

      That story only works if you're really not a computer expert who knows nothing about computers. It'll probably take all of five minutes to check out that story (employment history, ask family if you know about computers, etc.).

    10. Re:License to steal? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      No, they can't just call something evidence and keep it forever just because they don't like you. Sorry, please come back and play again.

      The reason they can take your router is that it might have evidence on it. Like the MAC address of the connecting computer.

      And I think people here are MISSSING THE FUCKING POINT. The point is that you can, say, break into a web site and steal credit card numbers from your own home, and get away with it. Yes, the police could make life sucky for you, just like they can do for any suspect, but you can get away with it because they can't demonstrate it was you, because your access point was open and you have plausible denialiblity that there's anything encrypted besides some porn.

      Complaining they might take some stuff of yours as evidence is idiotic. The point is, they can't convict you of the crime. Obviously, you would want to only commit crimes that gain you more than your computer is worth, if you really feel like it's a possiblity they're going to steal all your stuff. (And you'll want to send all this data out encrypted somewhere else on the net, just in case they break in while you're doing it.) But as you can only pull this trick off once without them getting suspicious, you probably should aim a bit higher than that anyway.

      It's my router, I don't have to secure it anymore than I have to close and lock all my windows if I don't want to.

      If you own an abandoned warehouse and criminals keep breaking in and using it to store illegal goods, they can require you to board up the windows or install an alarm or they'll charge you with maintaining an attractive nuisance.

      Same with wireless access points. If any property of yours is being constantly used in the commission of a crime because you failed to secure it, they damn well can require you to something to stop that.

      In fact, they could in theory charge you to start with, but won't, because you can plead ignorance that it was such a nuisance...you're not required to think like a criminal. (Remember, ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but ignorance of the facts is.) But once they've informed you, that execuse goes away.

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    11. Re:License to steal? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      So, they can't take evidence, but they can take evidence?

      You have to be one of the stupidest people I've talked to here. They can't just call something evidence, it has to actually be evidence, or might reasonably be evidence. If there's a hammer laying in the room with a murder victim who was shot, they can't take it because they want to collect hammers. If the victim was killed with a small, heavy, blow to the head, however, they can take it.

      Maybe you should watch some Law and Order or something to notice how the police operate. They don't walk out with refridgerators while investigating jewel thefts, they don't walk out with extension cords while investigating armed robbery, they don't just randomly pick up stuff while investigating crimes.

      No part of a computer except the data on a hard drive can be evidence of a crime, unless the crime is that said equipment is stolen. And thus they cannot take it. (And don't want to take it.)

      1) They can look at the logs with the router IN PLACE No need to take it. Besides, if you unplug the router, there goes the logs in RAM.

      And if the logs are in RAM only, they won't take the router, they will just take pictures. (Which is why I said, if they ask for your password tot he router, give it to them.)

      If they aren't in RAM, they may take the router, or they may not. It depends on how important they think the evidence may be. Like I already pointed out, spoofed MAC addresses aren't incredibly useful.

      So, if I use the Police radio frequences, for somethign illegal, I can force the cops to stop using the radio??

      Are just stupid or something? How would they stopping using the radio stop you from using the radio?

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    12. Re:License to steal? by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      And what if there's some incompatability? I like to consider myself rather knowledgable in the field of computers, and I have a friend with a wireless router and a laptop running XP home. A few months after I secured it (very basic encryption, and changed passwords), XP stopped liking it. At all. As of now, it's sitting unsecured, because that's the only way it's usable.

      (D-Link router, Netgear PCMCIA card)

    13. Re:License to steal? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Not to be a grammar nazi or something, but...

      "How would they stopping using the radio stop you from using the radio?"

      Please !

  2. simpsons by kerv · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hm... maybe I should have downloaded that 35GB Simpsons torrent on a neighbors wireless internet. Ooops.

    1. Re:simpsons by STrinity · · Score: 1

      Even better, switch connections in mid-download, make it look like your entire neighborhood downloaded one file.

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  3. coffee house voyeur by spoonyfork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Schlep your lappy to a Starbucks, tap into the wifi, and fire up Driftnet (linux) or EtherPEG (mac). Watch what flies by... hours of entertainment.

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    1. Re:coffee house voyeur by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1

      Hm, the local Starbucks just got wi-fi not long ago. I think it's time to pay them a visit. The latest 2600 has a nice article on hijacking people's paid wi-fi connections in such places.

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    2. Re:coffee house voyeur by ets960 · · Score: 1

      Is there any windows version of these softwares? I've been looking, but I have been stuck using Knoppix STD any time I want to watch the network fly by... And Knoppix STD doesn't support my laptop's wireless card yet...

    3. Re:coffee house voyeur by CommanderData · · Score: 1

      I don't know of any official one, but I've been working on a .NET version of Driftnet- Yes, spare the jokes about MS and .NET :) -that works with the WinPcap library. It lacks quite a bit right now but it can sniff and detect JPEGs, and save them on your hard disk in a folder. It has a way of missing packets here and there right now, which makes it better with capturing small images. Larger images tend to be missing a packet or two when assembled which corrupts the image to various degrees depending on where the missing packet fit. Missing packets may be caused by my slow processor speed, still need to investigate it.

      Once my line of paying customers dies down a bit I plan on fixing bugs, adding a nice realtime view GUI and releasing it...

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  4. What's with the pathetic default settings? by PxM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I understand that Joe Six Pack wants plug and play functionality without configuring, it is really that hard to add in another layer? When the AP is running on factory settings, it can just cause all Web requests to route to the configuration page along with an easy to explain set up about passwords. AP passwords aren't hard as normal passwords since many APs are in a secure building so writing the password on the AP and locking it in the closet would work half decently.

    While the user has to take some blame for technical ignorance, the AP makers also have to take some blame here since they have the tech people to implement better security.

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    1. Re:What's with the pathetic default settings? by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      I like the way sshd are setup - you have to manually enable it. It'l make the bastards read the manual at least, and find the config screen.

    2. Re:What's with the pathetic default settings? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      If the installation is insecure, it's no skin off the AP manufacturer's back. The user is usually clueless about any breakins, and things "just work". If the user does figure out that he's been harmed, the vendor can easily deflect any blame: "You should have RTFM before you turned it on."

      Effective security defaults would likely be more complex, which would involve more problems for user setup, which would generate more support calls. A million things could go wrong with a scheme like redirecting web connections to a password page, any one of which could generate a support call that erases all of the profits for that sale.

      Thus, the AP vendors have no incentive to improve security, and in fact they have a financial incentive to not provide anything more than a superficial checkbox feature on the packaging. (This could change somewhat if a user ever successfully sues a vendor for losses caused by the lack of default security.)

    3. Re:What's with the pathetic default settings? by nasor · · Score: 1

      The thing is, in many of these situations the network owner wants anyone and everyone to be able to use their internet connection without any hassle. These sorts of unsecured networks are practically mandatory for coffee shops and the like that cater to young people, especially college students. They want customers to be able to bring their laptops along so that they can read email, work on homework, etc. while they drink their $4.75 coffee and eat their $3.50 muffin.

    4. Re:What's with the pathetic default settings? by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there is no good reason why the manufacturers cannot ship the devices with preprogrammed random passwords. Every device they ship can easily be unique. Any self respecting EPROM programmer can do that and then print it on a label stuck to the bottom of the device. Back in the day when we manufactured access points, we did that.

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    5. Re:What's with the pathetic default settings? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      That's certainly what will happen for new AP products. But it's not suprising that they've dropped the ball on existing products. That's always the way it is with security issues. Initially, getting the product out the door, and outdoing your competitors takes priority. Its only after you start taking flak for security holes that you worry about them. You should do so from day one, but it takes more time and imagination than people care to spare.

  5. I'm Not a Network Administrator... by grumling · · Score: 4, Interesting
    But I do play with home networks. Shortly after I set up my access point (with 128bit encryption) I found someone gained access. How? By looking at the darn DHCP client table. I saw a MAC I didn't recognize, and blocked it out. No problem. It would have been just as easy to only allow known MAC addresses, but the cute chick downstairs needed to get online and I didn't know her MAC. I guess I could reconfigure, but why bother? I haven't had any other attachements since then.

    Now, I realize that I'm the exception, but how hard can it be to type 192.168.1.1 in a web browser? Of course, people should check the air pressure in their tires once a week, and clean the air filter on the furnace once in a while...

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    1. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I helped a friend of mine set up his WiFi network a month ago. The setup was to allow a Windows network for his family, and route all external traffic via one point where he could block certain IP Addresses (his daughters are 11 and 8 and he does not want to give them unlimited access).

      So far so good.

      His elder daughter was surfing away happily, but could not access the other PCs. It turned out that the strongest signal she was receiving was from an unencrypted network in a neighbouring house/flat.

      That explained the different subnet she was on as well, we thought one of the boxes was acting as a second DHCP server + router to the main network. A ping disabused us of that, no way was it possible for her PC to be online but not be able to ping the rest of the network.

      The most likely culprit was apparently a neighbour who teaches a computer course at a local school. Nuff said.

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    2. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by kiddailey · · Score: 1

      "I saw a MAC I didn't recognize, and blocked it out. No problem. It would have been just as easy to only allow known MAC addresses, but the cute chick downstairs needed to get online and I didn't know her MAC. ... I haven't had any other attachements since then."

      Well, you f'ed that opportunity up real good ;)
    3. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by phliar · · Score: 1
      Culprit? Why?

      Some of us believe in the right to be anonymous. I have a publicly accessible unencrypted WiFi network. Outbound port 25 is blocked, but everything else is open and unlogged.

      The convenience of law enforcement officials does not override citizens' rights.

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    4. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by Ledora · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You should ue the security I use on my AP to prevent people from getting on it. I changed the broadcast power to 2mw... just barely enough to get a good signal where I need it. also 128bit WEP and mac filtering AND I disabled the web admit page (must telnet to run it.) This is all on a WRT54G (linksys) if anyone cares to have a setup like it

    5. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Sure, he could have blocked everything except port 80 and served up only a local page that explained how to approach him to gain access and a full connection.

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    6. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

      The girl is not completely computer-illiterate and I was suggesting to her that she should do some network browsing the next time she saw that network (it is not up 24x7).

      I think your blocking of the smtp port only stops guests sending mails under you account (assuming you are logged in). It does not stop anyone:
      - downloading kiddie porn using an IP Address traceable back to you
      - file sharing using an IP Address . . .

      The first case is probably the most dangerous one, investigators are both entitled and willing to confiscate your computer / it's discs for their investigation.
      At my previous job, we all had to go to a - rather entertaining - talk where we also learnt why anyone keeping anything illegal like kiddie porn on the company servers would be kicked out without their feet coming near the ground. That sort of stuff could easily lead to the servers' discs being confiscated, something that would have brought business to a complete standstill.

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    7. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by grumling · · Score: 1
      That was AFTER I blocked that unknown MAC. I should really preview before posting...

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    8. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by phliar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Eh? "Blocking of the smtp port only stops guests sending mails under you account"? It doesn't sound like you understand SMTP. I block outbound SMTP because I don't want a neighbour to use me for spamming -- I hate spam because it hurts us all and has no redeeming qualities. (An end-user on a wireless laptop has no business with plain SMTP anyway -- an MUA should use IMAP+SSL to receive and SMTP/TLS to send. Or they can just stick to webmail.)

      Everything else -- I am not going to be cowed by alarmist propaganda like "downloading kiddie porn!!!" or "file sharing!!!". They still have to prove me guilty. If they confiscate anything, it's only equipment and can be replaced. (Of course I have backups.) If "they" come for me I will fight them to the best of my abilities, that's all any citizen can do. Don't give up your rights just because they make it uncomfortable for you to exercise them.

      And join the EFF and ACLU while you're at it. Remember, you don't have to agree with every single case they take on.

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    9. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

      Ah, you got me there on SMTP ports.

      As to the other thing, I am not in the US so the legal situation is not the same here. I do have backups, but would still be royally screwed if everything was removed.

      I run my small business on these computers and would have serious problems if I had to replace everything.

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    10. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by elgaard · · Score: 1

      Right, and if you are worried that a publicly accessible unencrypted WiFi will get you in trouble, there is a solutions for that, TOR:

      http://www.agol.dk/elgaard/torap/

    11. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by ediron2 · · Score: 1

      No kidding.

      Chances are, cute chick doesn't know you're alive. Remedy that by getting presentable (just washed clothes, not a nerdy-suit!) and having a conversation with her. Explain that, while you're cool with her Wifi use, you *need* the MAC. Security reasons. Lock her ass out if she refuses, apologetically. While you're there to get the MAC, offer to tweak firefox, antivir, adaware, etc. Repeat every month, just to make sure she isn't a security risk.

      Oh, and don't get your hopes up. But if nothing else, it's practice. Hell, pull a reverse Pygmalion on her: get her advice on pushin' down the nerd quotient.

      But for the LOVE of GOD, don't just sit there watchin' her packets fly by without so much as a free six-pack out of the deal.

    12. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's certainly not alarmist propaganda. The first thing that will happen when law enforcement tracks kiddy porn to you is you'll have your name in the paper for trading kiddy porn. They then take your equipment and any tiny bit of erotic material or encrypted data will be treated as "evidence". They will then tear your home, business and work place apart looking for the disks you were downloading the kiddy porn to. After you beat the rap at trial, people will still look at you like a monster because they "know" you must've got off on some technicality or something and they absolutely can't believe the incompetent police didn't nail your ass to the wall. Heaven forbid the police find the parents of any of the kiddies in the pictures they know were downloaded through your connection because the parents don't even need real proof to take everything you have in a civil suit for either a) downloading the material yourself and "harming" their child or b) aiding the real offender and "harming" their child. Even if they can't win, there's probably dozens of organizations that will fight for them for nothing and drain you luck a stuck pig through litigation.

    13. Re:I'm Not a Network Administrator... by phliar · · Score: 1
      You paint a colourful picture. (Have you thought about going into screenwriting, for "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit"?)

      How likely is that? The media and the government hype up each crime and whip us up into a state of frenzy. Crime has become glamorous. They each have their own motives for doing so, of course, but keep in mind there are 300,000,000 people in the US, and 6.5 billion people in the world. I'm not going to buy into this culture of hysteria. I could get hit by a meteorite tomorrow, but that doesn't keep me from leaving the house.

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  6. We should have gotten this out by now by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the same RIAA arguement from before in a diffrent context.

    Some people like to share we should encorage that... The best possible solution is for the router to limit bandwidth to outside connections (length of use = more bandwidth? First 2 users connected get most bandwidth?)

    Even windows doesn't have sharing on by default... Allowing users to sit behind your firewall isn't a huge deal, there are tonnes of users sharing their windows dir on Kazaa or whatever if someone wanted to be malicious they should.

    There is some importance in making life better for other people, if you don't when you go on a camping trip people around you will be weighing how hungry bears are against the $ in your wallet.

    1. Re:We should have gotten this out by now by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      no windows DOES have sharing by default.

      The administrator must have a password set, but... ever try connecting to \\hostname\c$

      That there is the administrative share for drive C. supply an administrative account and password, any you have complete access to the drive. substitute drive letters as needed. IP addresses work instead of hostnames as well.

      If you are on Unix... you need smbfs/cifs kernel support.

      mount -t cifs -o username=USERNAME //hostname/c$ /mountpoint

      will get you in, after you give the password for the supplied username. If you don't have cifs or the server is older than win2k, use smbfs instead.

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  7. and the problem is? by neonman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The banks are not using secure authentication systems and WiFi users are getting blamed?

    Tell me.. When did it become my fault that someone can download tens of thousands of customer credit cards? Perhaps if these credit cards had been ditched long before the Internet we wouldn't be having that problem. Kerberos, challenge-response, PKI, and two-factor authentication devices have all been available for quite some time.

    Someone tell the Secret Service to stop monitoring IRC connections and go after lazy banks instead, or something :]

    1. Re:and the problem is? by stretch0611 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Someone tell the Secret Service to stop monitoring IRC connections and go after lazy banks instead, or something...

      Banks already have tons of lawyers and financial resources to fight back lawsuits. They also have lobbyists on capitol hill. It is easier to go after and blame individuals. (Just ask Martha Stewart; she took all the press's attention away from Enron and MCI)

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  8. Simple! by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

    Everybody is forgetting each and every ethernet adapter has a unique serial number/address, called the MAC address. It would be very easy to prove/disprove you were the one or not by that address.

    Also more sophisticated tracking of the type of operating system, version, etc. can be determined by passive profiling of your network activity. This is called fingerprinting.

    The combination of "Oh we've got a Win2K box with this MAC address doing the deed". Pretty hard to disprove or refute.

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    1. Re:Simple! by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 3, Informative

      MAC addresses are not unspoofable.

      Hooray for double negatives!

    2. Re:Simple! by (H)elix1 · · Score: 1

      Everybody is forgetting each and every ethernet adapter has a unique serial number/address, called the MAC address. It would be very easy to prove/disprove you were the one or not by that address.

      Many of the current cards let you set the MAC in software. Filtering keeps out the casual people, but those sniffing the network can probably spoof the MAC as well.

    3. Re:Simple! by pegr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Everybody is forgetting each and every ethernet adapter has a unique serial number/address, called the MAC address. It would be very easy to prove/disprove you were the one or not by that address.

      Google "etherchange" and see what you get... Here is the first hit... MAC addresses don't prove diddley...

    4. Re:Simple! by bigtallmofo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mister Transistor, yours is a common misconception. Your workstation's address is never transmitted outside your local network.

      To the world outside your local network, every MAC address coming from your local network appears to be the same one - the one of your router. Any such WiFi Boogeyman would appear to have the same exact MAC address as you.

      As for the "more sophisticated tracking"... There are some things that can be done but to be honest they're not very sophisticated. Suffice it to say that you could very easily get away with doing just about anything you want if the law enforcement-types are in any way ready to believe that someone other than you might have done it through your network.

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    5. Re:Simple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Er, no.

      First of all, MAC addresses don't get passed over the Internet. They're a feature of Ethernet, not IP. So by the time you've passed outside your subnet, your MAC address is nowhere to be found.

      So this would only work if the ISP could somehow log your MAC address before it's routed anywhere. The problem with that, is that most people that have home wireless networks, usually use NAT too. So the only thing your ISP will see is the MAC address of the Internet-facing interface of your NAT box.

      So in order for this to be possible, you'd have to put traffic logging with MAC addresses et cetera into the NAT router in everybody's home. Not my idea of practical.

      Now. Even if it WERE possible to log MAC adresses, they are trivial to spoof. For some drivers, it's just a matter of using ifconfig, and voilà, you have another MAC address. For some other drivers or operating systems, it's a little more difficult. But in principle it's trivial. The AP has no choice but to trust that you send a genuine MAC address over the air. After all, what can the AP do to check it?

    6. Re:Simple! by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2, Informative
      um. Even the WINDOZE driver for my orinoco card lets me change the ethernet address using the GUI, fer chrissakes! In linux, it's this simple, buddy:
      ifconfig [interface name] hw ether [new MAC address]
      But...how does one find the address to spoof? Fire up kismet. Valid Ethernet addresses galore, my friend. Mac filtering is USELESS.
    7. Re:Simple! by ByeLaw · · Score: 1

      Unless you are joking, I'm sorry I missed it, but MAC addresses certainly are spoofable.

    8. Re:Simple! by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      i said mac addresses are not unspoofable. meaning i know that they are spoofable.

  9. The Solution by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's needed is a layer of hardware-based identification on all internet-capable computers, which would be tied to the user's fingerprint and all of the user's actions would be logged by a central database. That way, any actions are have not been approved by the government or any corporation, would be immediately logged and the subject could be immediately arrested and shipped off to Syria/Lebanon/Turkey for tort***... i mean interrogation.

    After these latter measures are in place, we can all be perfectly secure in knowing that no porn, violence, homosexual acts, books about evolution, untampered news, or any worthwhile content is being viewed by anyone in the U.S.

    P.S. Or we could just make encryption and wifi security easy to implement and show people how to use it.

    P.P.S. Nah... the former solution seems a lot more comprehensive in terms of public oppression... I mean security.

  10. An unfortunate case. by tscrum · · Score: 1, Informative

    From my experience, there is simply no way around having interlopers on your network unless you tunnel an ipsec'ed connection over the air. Granted many ap's use default settings, but even those that do not can usually be sniffed for legitimate mac addresses and subverted. To see if your ap is susceptible, you can test it against this month's article in 2600.

    1. Re:An unfortunate case. by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

      I have found a simple way to keep unwanted visitors off my AP:

      1) SSID broadcast is disabled (Yes, I know that doesn't really do all that much)
      2) WEP (again, pretty sucky)
      3) DHCP filter - it will only assign one IP address, period. When I'm not on that connection, the AP is turned off.

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    2. Re:An unfortunate case. by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

      Thanks - that's a good point. I had not thought of that possibility. Either way, I'm not concerned, as I have never had another client attach to my WLAN.

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  11. What I see at home by Gleepy · · Score: 1
    I have made an effort to secure my wireless network on the Westell VersaLink DSL box Verizon sent me. I do that by changing the ESSID and not broadcasting it, using WEP encryption, changing the broadcast channel and using MAC filtering to allow only my PCCard adapter and my fiancé's card for her laptop.

    When I run

    iwscan list
    I will sometimes see an unsecured network with the ESSID of NETGEAR, just as though someone took their unit out of the box. (I just did a check and NETGEAR was still there!)

    My feeling about someone using an unsecured private Wi-Fi network is like walking into another's dwelling without permission whose doors are unlocked: it's still a crime, but the victim may be partly found liable for any civil action he may bring.

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  12. Is there any good reason why the defaults are crap by Bootard · · Score: 1

    I suspect there isn't any good reason at all, but is it just because these companies have a really low opinion of consumers or that they want to make wireless seem really easy or what? It seems like it wouldn't be too much harder to enable strong security at all. For example, it seems like the WiFi guys could include some utility so once you put in your password and have the network configured as securly as it will get, you could pop a disk in which would get all the config info saved to it. Take the disk to a new computer which will then be automatically configured to use the WiFi.

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  13. Make WiFi secure by default by raitchison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This problem could be reduced dramatically if WAPs shipped from the factory with complex random passwords WEP enabled and complex random WEP keys.

    As an example on a new HPaq server the iLO remore management interface has complex random password, printed on a label on the device.

    Imagine if Linksys, etc. did the same thing with WAPs, where no 2 WAPs with the same WEP key or password.

    Sure some users would just disable the protection but I'm betting if you made it halfway convienient that most won't. Make it more work to be insecure and the security will win most of the time. You might even be able to reduce this further by having the admin interface give you lots of warnings and make you jump through hopps to disable the security funcions.

    Of course secrity could be improved upon even further if the default security was better than WEP but I think that's too high a barrier for the average user to tolerate. WEP may suck but it's considerably better than wide open.

    1. Re:Make WiFi secure by default by Rich+Gibson · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Open wifi is a social good.

      Screw the cops and their paranoia.

  14. you should see my apartment by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 1

    networks I can see

    That "SMC" network covers the entire building due to multiple people using SMC routers with the default.

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    I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
  15. Fair Use? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hm... maybe I should have downloaded that 35GB Simpsons torrent on a neighbors wireless internet.

    Well than, since 90% of Slashdot users do not pirate intellectual property, I can only assume that you already own a legally purchased copy of the Simpson's episode in question, and thus this would be "fair use". Right?

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    1. Re:Fair Use? by CommanderData · · Score: 1

      Well, he can't legally own all 15 completed seasons of the Simpsons yet, as the studio has only released the first FIVE seasons on DVD. I'm assuming this is so they can charge the networks a premium for reruns, any shows from 1994 and newer are unavailable to consumers legally except as reruns on TV.

      I also downloaded the 35GB 15 season torrent of the Simpsons, plus downloaded each episode from the current season as it was aired. I own the first 5 seasons on DVD, but I don't want to wait 5 to 10 years for them to release the rest so I can watch them (which is about how long it will be at the current release rate). I guess I'm still considered a criminal even though I'm ready, willing and able to buy all the rest of the DVDs. Wake up content owners, stop sitting on your properties and release them already!

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    2. Re:Fair Use? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be too difficult for the RIAA (or who ever does this these days, I don't know, I don't download) to hunt you down (though if history means much, they may confuse your grandma for you).

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      "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
    3. Re:Fair Use? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In some nations, owning the original is not necessary to being allowed a backup. Destruction of said original being a reason to MAKE backups.

  16. The defaults are the problem by chrisgeleven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Part of the problem is that the manufacturers don't disable anything by default...instead, you can literally plug a wireless router in and it'll instantly work assuming your internet connection uses DHCP to get its IP address.

    Perhaps the easiest way to solve this problem is to disable the wireless part of the router until you run the setup program (or even better, make it launch the browser so it will work on any OS) and make you go through the steps of enabling encryption and everything.

    I have WPA enabled on my wireless router (a Linksys WRT54G with the latest firmware) and MAC filtering. I broadcast my SSID ("Break this"), but that is more for ease of use then anything.

    I then enabled SSL for the admin pages, so I must type https://192.168.1.1/ (the actual IP is different) to reach the router's admin page. I figure between SSL and WPA, it will be pretty hard for someone to break into my router's admin page.

    The key is, with WPA and MAC filtering that will keep out all but the most determined out. If they ever got past that and onto my wireless network, I have logs so I could manually block them.

    1. Re:The defaults are the problem by Al-Hala · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting twist you've done (the SSL). Is that a feature of that particular router, or did you do some add-on's?

    2. Re:The defaults are the problem by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 1

      What is needed is for routers to ship with a strong password by default. It can be printed on the unit itself, and could be changed if necessary.

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      I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
    3. Re:The defaults are the problem by el_nino-2000 · · Score: 1

      The newest firmware for the WRT54G, 3.03.6, has this option

    4. Re:The defaults are the problem by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      I broadcast my SSID ("Break this")

      I have a similar setup, WPA-PSK broadcasting SSID "Adamantium".

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      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    5. Re:The defaults are the problem by sootman · · Score: 1

      "I then enabled SSL for the admin pages, so I must type https://192.168.1.1/ (the actual IP is different) to reach the router's admin page."

      Cool! Now, has Linksys quit using GET for their form actions? On the password-change page, you type in your password, click 'submit', and see it in plain text in the URL of resulting page, like this:
      http://192.168.1.1/Gozilla.cgi?sysPasswd=0w n3d&sys PasswdConfirm=0wn3d...

      Great for when you're helping your boss set up his home LAN: "OK, now type in a new password, I'll turn around now, OK, did you hit submit? Great. Now, let me turn back around, and secretly look at the location box... great. Now I'm off to work to read your email."

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  17. piggybacker != thief by the_REAL_sam · · Score: 5, Insightful


    i'll play devil's advocate, for a minute:

    the airwaves are supposed to be public.

    therefore, if there's a "thief," the thief would be the group that cordones the public airwaves off and claims them as their own private property.

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    "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." -Jesus Christ The Lord's Prayer
    1. Re:piggybacker != thief by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      It's not the 'use' of the 'public airwaves' that is the problem (especially it it costs me $0 to open it up). Rather it's what is done with that use, and the information/data gleaned from using it.

      I do not want to to be the focal point of a police investigation based on someone else's illegal activity.

      I'd have no problem leaving my AP wide open for others to use, *if* people could be trusted. Sadly, there is always that small minority who would abuse it. Screwing things up for everyone.

      Someone near me has his USR8054 on 24/7, with the BS default settings. Mine is locked down. If someone else within range wanted to do a little child porn surfing, guess which AP he'd use? When the investigation comes down, guess whose door they'll knock on? Call me selfish, or a 'thief', but too bad. Sorry, but I just don't want that hassle. I have a family to protect.

  18. happened to me by mslinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We have a Python script on our laptops that send netstat, ipconfig, route info via email when they boot. When a laptop is stolen and the thief is dumb enough to use it online, we can subponea the ISP and walk to their door. But the last one that was stolen was in an apartment building that had 5 or 6 open WAPS. We knew that the laptop was in one of the apartments, but the cops could not get a search warrant for all the apartments within 150' radius of the open WAP that the stolen laptop was on... long story short, they got away with it.

    1. Re:happened to me by Neflyte_Zero · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't you say, "IF a laptop is stolen..."? What business are you in that laptops go missing willy-nilly! I should think that before one installs scripts to say where the laptop went I might invest in some padlocks on the office building ;)

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    2. Re:happened to me by dcd · · Score: 1

      Would there be any way to listen in on what your laptop was doing when it was online - and use that info to identify the user?

    3. Re:happened to me by AnotherScratchMonkey · · Score: 1
      We have a Python script on our laptops that send netstat, ipconfig, route info via email when they boot.

      Is this just for Linux? Any chance you could post the script for public consumption? This would be a nice addition to all executive laptops, the kind that get lifted when one's attention is diverted in a busy airport.

    4. Re:happened to me by WhiteBandit · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't you say, "IF a laptop is stolen..."? What business are you in that laptops go missing willy-nilly! I should think that before one installs scripts to say where the laptop went I might invest in some padlocks on the office building ;)

      He probably works at Los Alamos National Laboratories. Or the Navy. ;)

  19. this article NEVER questions their motives by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Notice that the NY Times NEVER questions whether there could be an ulterior motive to associating wifi with theft, child porn, and terrorism. This TImes articles is a propaganda piece aimed to associating wifi with Bad Things. This propaganda piece is likely bought and paid for by the telcos and cable lobbies who are using propaganda like this to shut dowm possible competition.

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    1. Re:this article NEVER questions their motives by Cryofan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      OK, Anonymous Coward, let's get it on! (BTW, are you are a lobbyist for the telco/cable industry? Is that why you post anonymously?)

      you wrote:

      Prove it. You always make these unfounded claims with nothing to back it up.


      I cannot PROVE it. I do not have a complete audio-video record of every waking moment of everyone who is in control of the NY Times. But I don't HAVE to prove it. All I have to do is show that there is a LIKELIHOOD that the this article and others are biased in favor of established industry players. Really, it should be obvious to anyone who is unbiased.


      You can't even show that there is a pattern of industry favortism in the NY Times' articles, but even if I showed you numerous articles that praised wireless access, you'd try to claim (again, with no proof) its just another conspiracy to make people think that they aren't in cahoots.


      Oh, so, in order to point out that this article unquestioningly cites opinions that demonize wifi, I have to FIRST be able to go back through the archives and show a pattern? Look, the evidence is right in front of us. We ALL know that established corporate lobbies want to shut competition. We ALL know that they manipulate the media to do so. With that in mind, why, oh, WHY does this article NOT take that into account? Why doesn't the reporter acknowledge the huge industtry that stands to profit from demonizing wifi as this article does? Isn't that what fair journalism is all about?


      In short, there is nothing NY Times can do to be good in your eyes unless they say exactly what fits your own socialist agenda.


      I am not a socialist. Period. I am a Leftist. But Rush Limbaugh and the Wall St Journal did not provide you with the information to make that distinction, did they? How unfortunate for you...


      Anything that deviates from this must be some sort of Republican conspiracy to consolidate corporations and oppress the people.


      The Democrats are only marginally better then the Republicans.

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    2. Re:this article NEVER questions their motives by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      your comment is a strawman. Journalists are of course biased. But that does not make it OK to write articles that help the telco/cable company lobby. By your logic (and I use that word leniently here), if person X has a bias, then it is OK for person X to do a particular act Y, as long as it is in accordance with the bias of person X. To wit, having a bias is not a justification for doing a particular act.

      Of course, this is all just a strawman. I have already pointed out that this article is propaganda. If you want to deal with that aspect of it, please do so.

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      eat shiat and bark at the moon
    3. Re:this article NEVER questions their motives by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's quite plausible, but there do exist other plausible motives.

      E.g., media process news for entertainment value (this is an observed fact). Occasionally making people angry is a kind of entertainment, and newspapers and other media engage in it. More frequently, like a roller-coaster, they sell fear. "Look, we're warning you about this danger! Watch me! Read me!" This reliably improves sales. (This is at the root of the frequent comment that the media rarely print good news.)

      And there doesn't need to be any more to this story than THAT.

      (Note, I'm not saying that it doesn't have the effect that you are deploring, I'm merely saying that bribery/article-buying isn't needed.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    4. Re:this article NEVER questions their motives by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Not that I'd ever RTFA for a NYT link ("free" registration and bugmenot notwithstanding), but I'm skeptical of anyone who compares anything to terrorism.

    5. Re:this article NEVER questions their motives by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      ...and after having read TFA thanks to this guy's link, I can safely say you didn't read it, either.

  20. article is telco/cable demonization/propaganda by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Notice that this article goes out of its way to associate the following practices with wifi:
    --theft
    --child porn
    --terrorism

    And the article here never even questions whether associating these practices with wifi could be a subterfuge by the telcos and cable companies to demonizes wifi so as to be able to outlaw municipal wifi through legislation, which is what they are afraid of, as that will cause them to cut their broadband prices.

    This whole article is a propaganda piece, bought and paid for by the vested interests, such as telcos and cable companies.

    What a sham is the NY Times. Just another cog in the CorpGovMedia propaganda machine...

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    eat shiat and bark at the moon
    1. Re:article is telco/cable demonization/propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      This is the best reason to outlaw municipal wifi and private un-encrypted routers.Do you want our children turned into porn victims,killed by terrorists and have their identities stolen?
      All internet activity should require user identification with a license issued by the government or a cooperative licensed ISP.
      This would also go a long way to stamping out IP theft."Amnonymous" internet use should be a Federal felony and carry a stiff term equivlent to the penalties for kiddy porn,IP theft,and subversion which are the only reasons someone would want to be anonymous anyway.

    2. Re:article is telco/cable demonization/propaganda by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      This would also go a long way to stamping out IP theft."Amnonymous" internet use should be a Federal felony and carry a stiff term equivlent to the penalties for kiddy porn,IP theft,and subversion which are the only reasons someone would want to be anonymous anyway.

      ... Quoth the Anonymous Coward about an NYT article based on information from an "anonymous government source".

      Seems to me that if everyone just changed their names to "Anonymous", we could all just use our real names without fear.
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  21. The ISP's already won that battle for you. by the_REAL_sam · · Score: 1

    In the open wireless router case, all your router is doing is routing. Same as the ISP's router, above you. In fact, everything YOU route, THEY route first. So, in order for YOU to be liable for what the open router routes, the ISP would also have to be liable.

    Therefore, Lucky for you, their lawyers would incidentally defended you, by analogy, as they defend the ISP. And (to the best of my knowledge) the ISP's have been pretty good at defending themselves, in terms of what they route.

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    "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." -Jesus Christ The Lord's Prayer
    1. Re:The ISP's already won that battle for you. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Right. They'll go to the ISP. The ISP will tell them exactly who had that IP address at that time. There the trail ends. At my router. Barring any other info, the police will investigate me. They'd be remiss in their job if they didn't. Eventually, I will be found innocent, because there is nothing within my internal network to find. Eventually. Only after I shell out $$ for a lawyer to prove my innocence, and have the investigators go through every sector on my various hard drives, possibly confiscating them for a while to do this.

      Sorry...not happening. I don't want to be in the position of having to defend myself, for something I had no part in, that I could have easily prevented.

  22. Re:Everyone should keep their WiFi gateway open. by DavidTC · · Score: 3, Informative
    What the hell does the FCC have to do with any of this? The FCC lets anyone do anything they want in the wifi bands.

    There's no tax, there aren't even rules like in CB. I could set up a radio station on the wifi bands and broadcast 24/7. I wouldn't, as no one has a radio that can tune it in, but I could.

    It's law enforcement that's complaining here, and the FCC does not investigate crimes.

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  23. The incentive is to NOT secure it out of the box by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This problem could be reduced dramatically if WAPs shipped from the factory with complex random passwords WEP enabled and complex random WEP keys.

    The incentive for the manufacturers is for wireless access points to NOT be secure out-of-the-box.

    If it's not secure, it's plug-and-play. Plug it in, it's up. If it's more secure, it makes instalation (to the point of getting traffic through it) more difficult.

    Insecurity doesn't affect the user until they get burned - mainly by lower performance as their bandwidth gets leached (assuming their important applications, like banking, already use end-to-end encryption). Leaching might not even be noticed. If it is, they can diagnose it and tighten things up.

    Security impacts ease-of-use, and thus sales.

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  24. quotes "anonymous gov't sources" on terrorism by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Notice that this NY Times article quotes "anonymous" government sources in their attempt to associate wifi with terrorism. This is the typical attempt to use terrorism to demonize a competitor. THe telcos and cable companies lobbies almost certainly paid off someone at the NY Times to get them to write this article. Now they will use this article when thieir lobbyists meet with state governments trying to get them to pass laws that make municipal wifi illegal. This is just the first step in manufacturing consent for shutting down cheap competition. This is American "free market" capitalism in action. Really, it is corporate socialism--socialism for the big corporations and their billionaires; free market cpapitalism for all of us peons. Or, rather, feudalism for us, as we are essentially being sold as consumers to the telcos and cable companies.

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    1. Re:quotes "anonymous gov't sources" on terrorism by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Really, it is corporate socialism--socialism for the big corporations and their billionaires;

      Corporate socialism? Isn't that just a silly way of saying fascism?

  25. Argument for wardriving being legal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Regarding the argument that it is theft of services:

    If I am in a public park, and there is a bathroom there, or a water fountain, I can drink from the fountain and use the bathroom, even if they don't say "public bathroom" or "public fountain" on them. I can assume that because they are not locked, I am allowed to enter and use them.

    Regarding the argument that it is trespassing:

    I can walk all over your property unless you post NO TREPASSING signs, or tell me that I am not allowed on your property. Trespassing on property is only traspassing if I know that you don't want me there. You must post a sign saying so.

    In both cases, it is trivial for the person who set up their wifi to "lock the door" and "post no trespassing signs". Therefore it should be treated no differently than these other cases which have set precedent.

    1. Re:Argument for wardriving being legal. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      i suppose you could say that WEP is the "no trespassing" sign and WPA is a 6 foor barbed wire fence?

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  26. WiFi == Identity-Theft/Child Porn/Terrorism by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Notice how this NY Times articles is careful to associate each of this poisonous trio of ID Theft-ChildPorn-Terrorism with...WiFi.

    And what a coincidence that just as this article is being published, that all over America, state governments are trying to decide whether to outlaw municipal wifi. Of course, this drive to outlaw municipal wifi is in NO WAY connected to this article that tends to associate wifi with THEFT, CHILD PORN, and TERRORISM. And in no way would the telco and cable TV lobbies that stand to lose BILLIONS (if municipal wifi takes off) try to get the NY Times to help make wifi look bad.

    No way the media would do that! They have integrity. They would never sell out to the telco-cableTV lobby like that.
    Would they?

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    eat shiat and bark at the moon
    1. Re:WiFi == Identity-Theft/Child Porn/Terrorism by ralphcringely · · Score: 1
      IMHO, this post is redundant. A previous post made the same point.

      Please be original. Moderator: take note.

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  27. oops, forgot by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    forgot to mention that in Win2k and XP (not sure anything older does it) these shares are enabled at boot. You can disable them, but they reenable on boot (infact windows tells you this when you disable them).

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    1. Re:oops, forgot by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 2, Informative
      You can disable them easily and permanently with a simple registry setting - it's the first thing I do on every Winblows machine I'm forced to use.

      Link here, among other places.

    2. Re:oops, forgot by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the link. This has been a major concern for me.

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  28. FUD alert! can the author even spell "Free WiFi"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is disgusting to see someone writing FUD and bullshit like this while others are volunteering their time, efforts, and money to help build free community WiFi networks.

    Instead of cultivating even more paranoia in our country what we really need is more trust, pioneers, and heroes who help build free WiFi networks.

    I am running an open access point for everyone to use and I am happy to find the same whenever I am on the road.

    Lets all be reasonable and not spread FUD but support the urgently needed free WiFi access.

  29. Ignorance by gt_swagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people, spoiled by plug and play, expect to plug it in and be just fine. From my wardriving experiences, still around 70% of APs are unsecure, and that's helped by buisnesses which have a very high secure rate (only about 5 to 10% I come across are open). About 90% of residential APs are open. It's really not that hard to secure an AP. WEP + Mac filtering ... bonus points for secure VPN. Even though it's very weak, even just having WEP is enough for your average person... why would a 1337 h4x0r bother to take the type to break your WEP when the next idiot down the road doesn't even have that? And please, do the world a favor... put in something for the SSID other than default, linksys, or leaving the SSID blank. Having a blank SSID is a very false sense of security... all it does is make it harder for legit users to connect, contribute to confusion (two people close together without SSIDs), and is really very easy to notice.

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  30. article error by wk633 · · Score: 2, Informative

    recent data thefts from ChoicePoint

    Nothing was stolen from ChoicePoint. They sold data to person or persons they should not have. There was no 'break in' as has been reported elsewhere. The only 'hacking' involved was social.

  31. Users are clueless about Wi-Fi by computerology · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a consultant, I regularly deal with this issue. Customer says: "Why dont we go wireless? Wouldnt it be easier" I says: "Do you know that there are actually people who drive around looking for wireless connections to hack into and steal data?" Call me a bit paranoid, but I actually met a couple of hard-line coders/hackers who did this, trolling for useful data. While there are security features to lock down the WiFi by MAC address and you can further challenge access with passwords, for a business with valuable data (these are accountants, lawyers, financial professionals), going wireless when your computers are in a fixed position on your desk just seems to me like a whole lot of work so you dont have to run a cable. While I hate pulling cable, I'd hate to have them try to sue me for leaving their data unsecured!

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  32. Open AP by Jett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I run an open access point, I password protected the config interface and check occasionally to see if anyone is using it - but really I don't care. I always have enough bandwidth when I need it, so why not share? If anyone uses it for something illegal I know I can't be held liable and I don't have any logs of what goes on with it, maybe someday I'll get hassled by the cops or the MPAA, but I'll deal with that if it ever comes.

  33. what "thieves"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I am operating a free access point and have never had any problems with "thieves" or "hackers". I wonder who paid for such a misleading article. What we really need is more decentralization to become less depended of fragile internet backbones. Free wireless community and mesh networks are crucial steps in the right direction.

  34. Wi-Fi itself is the problem! by beaststwo · · Score: 1
    A Wireless LAN is essentially an open invitiation for entrance into your systems by people you'd never let in your house.

    If you left something valuable out in your front yard, you'd be less surpised to find it missing than if you locked it up in your house. Wireless LANs, in their current incarnation, are little better than leaving your private data out in your front yard for anybody to snag. Entering theives leave no signs of forced entry and our current system of laws can't do much to help unless the theft arises to the correct level of money.

    Security technology only helps a little if the law isn't on your side (ask any identity theft victim about trying to become "whole" again) and the law can't help if there's no forensic evidence with which the perpetrator can be found. Until both Wireless LAN security technology and the law catch up to that of a locked house, a few CAT5 cables look very attractive!

  35. Re:The incentive is to NOT secure it out of the bo by Rich+Gibson · · Score: 1

    > Insecurity doesn't affect the user until they get burned - mainly by lower performance as their bandwidth gets leached

    I share my network on purpose with several neighbors, including a heavy user who downloads like crazy. I don't get 'burned' by lower performance.

    OTOH, the overhead of WEP 'burns me' pretty regularly. And really, what is the point of having WEP on to encrypt my ssl and ssh traffic?

    Open by default...it's a good idea.

  36. Re:Idiot by joopv · · Score: 1

    For ethernet cards in systems running windows it's a simple registry entry. But for wifi adapters?

  37. I want my AP open by bluGill · · Score: 1

    I consider leaving on open AP free for any laptop owner to use part of my "Christian duty". It costs me nothing, and it might help my neighbor. (not the guy who lives next door, he should have his own access, the Samaritan visiting from far away who stops is car for a moment to check email!)

    I depending on you in turn not abusing this service. I set it up to help you out for little things. (I do of course keep my machine secure)

  38. New path? by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To take the other side...

    What's with open, public roads that anyone is allowed to use? My friends were tied up and robbed the other day, and the thieves used public roads to do it!

    We really need to crack down on usage of public roads.

    Seriously, as if getting on the internet anonymously was EVER hard.. sure, wifi makes it a bit easier, but it's far, far from a new thing.

  39. Re:FUD alert! can the author even spell "Free WiFi by egoriot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What's disgusting is seeing people misuse generously offered open WiFi to commit illegal acts. Maybe the journalist/editor/paper came into this story with a pro-corporate bias. Maybe they are exaggerating the misuse of wireless networks and the difficulty they pose to law enforcement. Maybe, however, you are refusing to believe these things because of your own bias.

    It seems wholly possible, even likely, that open WiFis pose opportunities for people to commit crimes while making it harder for law enforcement to stop them. Is this worth the benefit of free, widely available Internet access? Are there technical or legal steps we can take to tighten the holes these networks open to maximize their potential? These are real questions that deserve thoughtful consideration, rather than just screaming "FUD!".

    Lets all be reasonable and not spread FUD but support the urgently needed free WiFi access. Yes, let's be reasonable. Cheap AIDS medication in the third world is "urgently needed". Cheap Internet access in the US is not "urgently needed".

  40. Simple way to make yourself safer by Ralman · · Score: 1

    Provide a path of least resistance.

    I recently did a quick scan in my neighborhood. My AP was the only secure one that I found within the area of my house. I only searched around my immediate property. (What... I had go outside to do this, and we all know the sun is evil.) In this time I found 2-3 different unsecured networks.

    Basically, if I was a regular wardriver, I would use the open networks, and not waste my time trying to get into the one secure one.

    If you get the chance, check around you, chances are someone has an open AP. Even the simplest security settings on your own AP would probably be enough to keep 99.9% of the people off your network.

    1. Re:Simple way to make yourself safer by haplo21112 · · Score: 1

      I have found 4 in the immediate vicinity of my house, and I don't even have to leave the chair in my office to find them.

      In fact I have on machine in my house that perfers to connect to my neighbors access point instead of any of mine. I had to lock its AP association to one of mine so it would stop doing that. Most of my neighbors haven't even changed the default access I could take over their access points if I felt like it.

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  41. Re:FUD alert! can the author even spell "Free WiFi by SPQRDecker · · Score: 1

    Amen!

  42. Re:Idiot by izomiac · · Score: 1

    It's the same, I just had to change mine yesterday.

  43. wifi security by Infe · · Score: 1

    Could someone put this in simpler terms for me? I imagine many people are in this same situation. I have an access point with 128-bit WEP security on a windows box. Is this actually secure? Am I kidding myself? Personally, I only plug in the access when I'm using it, then I unplug it out of paranoia. I hear this and that about WEP being insecure...what's the truth?

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    1. Re:wifi security by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      128 WEP security should be decent, just change the password every once in awhile. Once a week, probably, possibly more if you're paranoid. WiFi sniffers like AirSnort can capture packages and, given enough time, crack through your security. But unless you have someone sitting in the house across the street actively trying to crack your security, you should be pretty safe.

      I'm not sure of the specifics, but sniffers simply collect packets and use a lot of them to crack the password. But it needs a LOT of packets. With a 64-bit password, on a high-usage network, it would take about 6 hours of packet collecting. Wardrivers aren't going to take the time to crack your 128-bit security like that. There's probably other things you can do to secure a WiFi network (I've heard things about virtual networks), but I'm not a network expert in any form. In your case, you could probably bind your computer's MAC address to your access point and be done with it.

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  44. OT: Asking Slashdot opinions and advice for AP mes by colenski · · Score: 1
    • Important Stuff

    Please try to keep posts on topic.

    Oh, well. It said try
    I'm starting to use LocustWorld meshbox distroand having a bitch of a time finding a good PCI card that is

    a: Prism54 compatible

    and/or

    b: avaliable as a commodity card.

    Best I found so far is a SMC 2802 W-CA which is better than this poo poo and this poo poo and a host of others. (I know they are USB it's just what I had kicking around)

    One of the big problems with these adapters is the manufacturer screwing around with the revs of the card and undoing all of the work that has been done in open source to support their product for free.

    I hate the goofy PC-Card to PCI adapter thingys although I aknowledge they usually work best. I'd like to keep the cost of a card under $100

    Can anyone tell me a decent 802.11g PCI card that works good maybe with HostAP that I can get at Best Buy?

    My SMC does work, but chokes with when under load. I can't transfer more than 10 meg of data before it dies.

    On topic, sorta. You wouldn't be reading this if you weren't into wireless. Put me on your foes list, I dont care. This is pissing me off.
  45. Unique SSID by AnotherScratchMonkey · · Score: 1

    This doesn't address security, but if the manufacturers used the MAC (which is supposed to be globally unique, and typically printed on a sticker on the router) as the SSID, then a user would have some assurance that his client was talking to the right access point. Prefix the MAC with the manufacturer and model name to make the SSID a little more user-friendly. (What's the limit for the number of characters in the SSID?)

  46. Other alternative Linksys firmware by AnotherScratchMonkey · · Score: 1

    Lots of info about 3rd party firmware based on the original Linksys Linux code can be found at Linksysinfo.org. (I'm using the Sveasoft Satori release and am planning on upgrading shortly to get more port forward entries.)