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Games That Shoot Back
syousef writes "A shooting game that shoots back, delivering electric shocks through the player's hips when they're shot, is being used for recruitment (Hey shooting people is fun) and training by the U.S. military. There's talk of developing it into a PC game. Here's a quote from the article: 'It has the same power as a stun gun. It knocks you down. You have to continue to work through the pain and keep on fighting, as that is what you need to do - to keep on fighting even when wounded.' I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)"
If this is brought to the PC games, I hope they also include a suicide feature so that I can finish myself or team mates who are suffering from electric shock.
"Timmy, forget about the TK rules, kill me please, please!"
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
America's Army Part II -- The Final Recruitment. If you manage to live through this video game you are worthy of a sandy death.
Peter: I got an idea, an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about.
Who will be the first to write malware that actually kills people?
When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
Someone forgot to turn the safety protocols back on.
An MMORPG that knocks you out by electric shock and steals your clothes and jewelry, etc. when you die in-game? Realism isn't always a *good* thing. I would prefer not to be shocked while playing Counter-Strike, please.
Next.
It's all fun and games until someone does a headshot and 1000V runs through your entire body!
This was written about in Piers Anthony's "Kilobyte" 20 years ago.
Try harder next time
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Worst.
Playstation.
Accessory.
Ever.
Call me when they have a peripheral to go with Hentai games.
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This is an incredibly electrifying development. The gaming community must be arcing with excitement! I, for one, simply cannot wait to be plugged into such action and adventure. Not to mention all of the amped up individuals bolting to recruiting stations to try their hand. This kind of technology blows away all of the current games by far. Let's hope that development is met with little resistance and that the capacitance of the developers' creativity is immeasurable.
(Yes, I know, it's horrible. The line to shoot me starts over there. *point*)
Pain is one of the greatest behavior modifiers there is.
:)
;)
The whole point of a FPS trainer is to educate reality out of an individual. When you fire a pistol, sometimes your body will jerk the hand in anticipation of the shot. Dryfiring a few hundred times is enough to condition the pull back out, but it will eventually creep back.
I'm remember reading that 3/4 of the soldiers in WWI and WWII didn't aim at anything. They were conditioned to shoot at little bullseyes, not people. Notice how the military trains on human shaped targets now? Human-aim-fire-response.
This is all good, believe it or not.
Getting shot in a game there is no pain and risky behaviours can continue to flourish. Getting hit with a live round is most likely to inflict pain. Therefore, make the game as realistic as possible without killing your candidate
Will I play this? Nope. I already take Americas Army seriously and do my darndest not to die. But then again I'm not one of those people that beg the S-24 in order to get a pistol, either
My geeky $.02:
Maybe a shock belt could be used to improve the increasingly unrealistic sport of Olympic fencing.
While fencing is not a video game, it lacks a certain realism in the sense that there is not a significant enough penalty for getting hit. In epee' fencers learn to do many very silly attacks that put their face in danger so that they can attempt a toe shot.
By attaching a shock belt to the electronic scoring equipment that is already used, fencers would learn to use the kind of caution that they might in a real duel.
Of course that doesn't solve the problem of sacrifice that is encouraged by making all of the target area worth the same number of points, or the unrealistic use of the coupe--where a fencer often whips his foil into a "J" shape to touch his opponent on the back. But the shock belt may be a step in the right direction along with some other changes.
Mattel created a device that would shock gamers a long time ago for the NES. They called it the Power Glove.
In some countries this will land you in jail. When I was in the UK I was shocked to discover that two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other. "Brawling" is an offense of the crown and you can be put away for it. Of course, it's an unenforcable law when you're in private, but in public it's common for two people who have agreed to fight to be sent to prison for it. How insane is that? Here in Australia if you ask someone to "step outside" the law will usually not get involved.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Seriously, if you want to die just take up some very extreme sports. If you're 65 and in constant pain, just climb Mt Everest. Or go for a 100 mile trek through the mountains with a 5 day food supply. You never hear of a BASE jumper living his days out in the old folk's home...
...increase their market share...
I'm not sure you quite understand how euthanasia works...
The Braying and Neighing of Barnyard Animals Follows.
DRM. You can download anything you want for free, provided the RIAA gets to shock you on a per megabyte basis - negative conditioning.
Educational games. Kids are hooked up to the computer and the computer quizzes them, zapping them every time they make a mistake.
Extreme games - apply the electrodes to areas of the body much more sensitive than they would otherwise be attached to.
Exercise games - electrodes attached such that they automatically stimulate and tone the muscles while you work/play.
I could go on, but i'll spare you.
I guess even sex-crazed demonic octopi need love.
I find it a bit sickening that the military is producing games to attract people to join. Aren't games supposed to be fun? Are they hoping for gamers to think "hmm- this game is fun, I think I'll join the army so I can HAVE FUN KILLING PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE." ?
Does anybody else find that unsettling?
Esoteric reference.
In the event of cadiac arrest the computer will automatically re-start your heart, call the paramedics, reserve a room at the hospital, notify your family, and cancel your dinner reservations. That is unless the game locks up.
Lag would also be a pain if it happens right when you die.
No one of consequence
Get with the programme.. not mainstream, but certainly not new.
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http://www.peselectro.com
..don't panic
You should be charged with battery and kept in a cell.
That's it for me, I'm going ohm now.
while(1)
{
shockuser();
}
No chance of overflow with this loop.
"The newly born animals are then whisked off for a quick run through a giant baking oven." --heard on Food Network
"We've developed some innovative new ideas for this game," stated Mark Davidson, project manager for the Battlestar Linux effort. "Our game will be set in an environment of post-World War 3 New York, with the city engulfed in violence from scattered rebel groups, gangs, warlords, and other nice characters. What sets this game apart from other games is a new USB we are producing that will make the gameplay feel more real. Attachments that go to a skullcap, waistband, wrist- and ankle-straps, will provide an electric shock whenever the player is 'shot' by an electrical weapon such as the raygun or cellblaster. Gas burners installed in these straps will engulf the player in real flames if the player is shot with a flamethrower. Explosives placed in a pack, worn on the player's back, will blow the player up if the player is hit with a grenade or rocket. Finally, a system of shotguns, strategically placed around the room in a surround-sound fashion, will shoot real bullets at the player when the player is hit by bullets in the game. Our effort is intended to give new meaning to the term 'virtual reality.'"
People familiar with the matter suggest the game will only be available for Linux, a first for operating system vendor Microsoft, which usually makes applications available only for the Wintel platform and for the Mac.
> Can you say, "Wheel of Misfortune"?
no I can't, every time I tried to say it I got interupted, because the 1990s called, and they wanted their phrase back.
You've gone too far-radically too far - with the appaling punnage. They are so bad, it hertz...
Player:"hey, I got shot, where's the sho*zzzt*"
two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other
Consenting? I think the law operates as it does because in fact consenting to being beaten up is really pretty unlikely, and the vast majority of situations where this might occur are cases of domestic violence, which surely no sane person would prefer the law turned a blind eye to. If you and a mate want a fight, go ahead - but make sure you don't create a disturbance, damage property or get any third parties involved. Usually by the time you've arranged all this you can be fairly sure the law will leave you to it - but by then presumably cool heads will have prevailed and realised the whole matter can't be settled by a fight. Fights are the last refuge of the idiot, and because society at large believes that, the law upholds that view.
Well anyway, the idea that you could have a weapon with two settings, stun and kill, gee, where did the cops get the idea that this would come in handy? Turns out that it is hard to stun someone without killing them. The old detective movie cliche of stunning someone by hitting them over the head? An MD writing in TV guide told readers that "if you hit someone over the head, most likely you just hurt them and make them mad. If you hit them harder to knock them out, chances are you kill someone from a hematoma."
I have seen films where they Taser a volunteer, and they start convulsing or they just faint and tip over and hit the mat in the gym they are doing this with a thud. I have seen a recent episode of "Cops" where they Tasered a whole bunch of different people, and it didn't seem to do anything. I suppose the electric shock causes intense, sudden pain, and that can cause someone to collapse, just like being shot with a bullet, only there is no tissue damage so the person doesn't bleed to death, but does it really work? I suppose a bullet doesn't always "work" in that a person can be fatally wounded but not always drop dead right away.
Anyway, I was the only person at the meeting willing to try the Taser (it was a model with two electrodes sticking out, and it didn't have the darts for remote action). I was going to zap my forearm and I was quickly advised "better try it on your leg. So I hold the Taser up to my leg and press the trigger. I was pretty embarrassed because I yelled out "Jesus Christ!" I was more startled than anything else, and it hurt real bad, but not the kind of hurt of someone drilling into your teeth -- more like the worst kind of muscle cramp -- it really hurt but I felt like my leg muscles were seizing up.
So what does a Taser do? Does it really knock a person out like on Star Trek, or does it merely cause a person to take the Lord's name in vain? Have they made the Taser more powerful in the last 20 years? More maybe because my finger was on the trigger, I let go when it first started to hurt, and a person has to deliver multiple jolts to get someone to collapse.
The Police Powers Act clearly states that if you are assaulted you are free to assault the person back, in which case neither party can be charged with assault.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I'll bet everyone will be camping all the time.
You mean "hiding behind something bulletproof", just like most soldiers do in a REAL WAR unless the enemy is chasing them or their officers are ordering them to move? A real firefight between a dozen soldiers can take hours, since getting anyone to "rush" is both stupid and nearly impossible.
That's why "elite units" are elite, because they will actually voluntarily put themselves in harm's way rather than only trying to stay alive. Consequently, they can make short work of conscripts and half-trained farm boys.
Freedom: "I won't!"
Fights are the last refuge of the idiot
From my experience fighting is the first refuge of the idiot.
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"Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
I think the law operates as it does because in fact consenting to being beaten up is really pretty unlikely
Have you never heard of boxing?
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Paint balls hurt when they hit you. They can leave a pretty sizable welt if they hit you on a hard spot like the wrist.
So, you REALLY try not to get hit. It's exciting!
If there were a concequence to being shot in an FPS besides a two minute wait until the next round, it would make you think twice about rushing or doing something stupid, and develop more tactics. There would probably be more camping (not necessarily a bad thing if the level is designed well) and it would force you to overcome those camps with better tactics.
Of course, I wouldn't want it to be as painful as a damned stun gun.
But, in the end it wouldn't work because you have no way to be sure there's a device attached to every person playing the game over the internet. This only works if there's full participation (you know, like SPF.)
In a LAN game it could be a blast though.
If something like this came to the mass market, I'd expect it to be some weak vibrating belt thing, not an electric jolt.
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Well as you noticed, it does make you cramp up. If you were standing, it was probably difficult to stay that way. Had you been walking or running, the sudden jolt would almost certainly make you lose your balance, which makes it quite difficult to attack someone. That is the point -- not to stun someone, but to forcibly remove their conscious control over major skeletal muscles. This only needs to take place for a few seconds in most circumstances, allowing time to surround the tas-ee and (once the juice is off) pin him down. This isn't to say that the pain doesn't play a role in it, it's quite useful as an intimidation tactic. But the real point is to stop what someone is doing without the high risk of fatal injury that comes from firearms (even with beanbags and the like).
Another aspect is that there is no scatter, there is no projectile penetration, and there is no risk of shooting the neighbor or wife through the wall accidentally. If firing into a crowded space, or even into a fistfight, you wanna make sure you hit just your target (but if you miss and hit someone else, you don't have to zap them).
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How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
oh yeah...and in the near future on Windows update :
..some time later...
***user plays game, gets addicted to it and goes to anonymous website to download a new map***
"Windows had downloaded a security patch that will prevent a third party from gaining access to your computer and shocking you repeatedly. Click OK to update Windows."
***user clicks OK***
The following dialog pops up on screen:
"SUCKA! W1nD0z3 1s 4 n00bZ! I 0wn yoo n0w! Choose your hairstyle : Popcorn or Spikes"
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Being shocked through the hips cannot cause heart problems of any sort. Electricity has to path through your heart in order to mess up the natural rythem of the heart. More importantly stun guns operate on a super high voltage with extremely low current. It isn't voltage that can cause fibrilation but current. The number of electrons passing through a single point in one second. So over all tissue damage will be minimal, it is the force of these limited amounts of electrons that causes the red marks commonly found on stun gun victims. The tissue damage commonly resulted from electrical shock is due to the bodies resistance. The best example is to compare the body to a light bulb. With enough current, it heats up causing tissue damage. You literally cook. That is why defibrilation units cause skin to smoke and hair to burn because the amount of electricity forced through the heart is the same as is required to light a 60 watt bulb. Make no mistake, no heart problems can result due to this means of training.
That's hardly a fair statement... Think too much? C'mon, it's written in C...
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