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Games That Shoot Back
syousef writes "A shooting game that shoots back, delivering electric shocks through the player's hips when they're shot, is being used for recruitment (Hey shooting people is fun) and training by the U.S. military. There's talk of developing it into a PC game. Here's a quote from the article: 'It has the same power as a stun gun. It knocks you down. You have to continue to work through the pain and keep on fighting, as that is what you need to do - to keep on fighting even when wounded.' I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)"
If this is brought to the PC games, I hope they also include a suicide feature so that I can finish myself or team mates who are suffering from electric shock.
"Timmy, forget about the TK rules, kill me please, please!"
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
America's Army Part II -- The Final Recruitment. If you manage to live through this video game you are worthy of a sandy death.
Peter: I got an idea, an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about.
Who will be the first to write malware that actually kills people?
When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
Someone forgot to turn the safety protocols back on.
An MMORPG that knocks you out by electric shock and steals your clothes and jewelry, etc. when you die in-game? Realism isn't always a *good* thing. I would prefer not to be shocked while playing Counter-Strike, please.
Next.
It's all fun and games until someone does a headshot and 1000V runs through your entire body!
The adult industry... in some sick and perverted way.
This was written about in Piers Anthony's "Kilobyte" 20 years ago.
Try harder next time
Music is everybody's possession.
It's only publishers who think that people own it.
Fuck Beta
~John Lenno
Worst.
Playstation.
Accessory.
Ever.
Call me when they have a peripheral to go with Hentai games.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
This is an incredibly electrifying development. The gaming community must be arcing with excitement! I, for one, simply cannot wait to be plugged into such action and adventure. Not to mention all of the amped up individuals bolting to recruiting stations to try their hand. This kind of technology blows away all of the current games by far. Let's hope that development is met with little resistance and that the capacitance of the developers' creativity is immeasurable.
(Yes, I know, it's horrible. The line to shoot me starts over there. *point*)
Pain is one of the greatest behavior modifiers there is.
:)
;)
The whole point of a FPS trainer is to educate reality out of an individual. When you fire a pistol, sometimes your body will jerk the hand in anticipation of the shot. Dryfiring a few hundred times is enough to condition the pull back out, but it will eventually creep back.
I'm remember reading that 3/4 of the soldiers in WWI and WWII didn't aim at anything. They were conditioned to shoot at little bullseyes, not people. Notice how the military trains on human shaped targets now? Human-aim-fire-response.
This is all good, believe it or not.
Getting shot in a game there is no pain and risky behaviours can continue to flourish. Getting hit with a live round is most likely to inflict pain. Therefore, make the game as realistic as possible without killing your candidate
Will I play this? Nope. I already take Americas Army seriously and do my darndest not to die. But then again I'm not one of those people that beg the S-24 in order to get a pistol, either
My geeky $.02:
Maybe a shock belt could be used to improve the increasingly unrealistic sport of Olympic fencing.
While fencing is not a video game, it lacks a certain realism in the sense that there is not a significant enough penalty for getting hit. In epee' fencers learn to do many very silly attacks that put their face in danger so that they can attempt a toe shot.
By attaching a shock belt to the electronic scoring equipment that is already used, fencers would learn to use the kind of caution that they might in a real duel.
Of course that doesn't solve the problem of sacrifice that is encouraged by making all of the target area worth the same number of points, or the unrealistic use of the coupe--where a fencer often whips his foil into a "J" shape to touch his opponent on the back. But the shock belt may be a step in the right direction along with some other changes.
Mattel created a device that would shock gamers a long time ago for the NES. They called it the Power Glove.
In some countries this will land you in jail. When I was in the UK I was shocked to discover that two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other. "Brawling" is an offense of the crown and you can be put away for it. Of course, it's an unenforcable law when you're in private, but in public it's common for two people who have agreed to fight to be sent to prison for it. How insane is that? Here in Australia if you ask someone to "step outside" the law will usually not get involved.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Seriously, if you want to die just take up some very extreme sports. If you're 65 and in constant pain, just climb Mt Everest. Or go for a 100 mile trek through the mountains with a 5 day food supply. You never hear of a BASE jumper living his days out in the old folk's home...
Not electricity, but my buddy learned to not forget his nut cup after getting shot in the balls with a few paintballs. Learned real quick.
Qualitas edurus commercium, nullus penitus net rimor, nullus deus beneficium
...increase their market share...
I'm not sure you quite understand how euthanasia works...
The Braying and Neighing of Barnyard Animals Follows.
Linux: No batteries for the shock are needed, as the frustration of trying to get the hardware to interface with linux everytime you're shot is far more painful.
SCO: The software comes with a variety of legal services built in so you can sue about that "unknown" heart condition.
Mac: Never has it been so easy to administer high voltage electric shocks to your hips.
Physicist, consultant, science communicator
DRM. You can download anything you want for free, provided the RIAA gets to shock you on a per megabyte basis - negative conditioning.
Educational games. Kids are hooked up to the computer and the computer quizzes them, zapping them every time they make a mistake.
Extreme games - apply the electrodes to areas of the body much more sensitive than they would otherwise be attached to.
Exercise games - electrodes attached such that they automatically stimulate and tone the muscles while you work/play.
I could go on, but i'll spare you.
I guess even sex-crazed demonic octopi need love.
I would hate to be hit by someone using the rocket launcher.
yes, in context,
""You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.""
It's so easy to take things out of context but it also says something about the point you are trying to make.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
How much you want to bet we will have tons of stupid teen guys attaching this thing to their nads?
Meh.
...but Microsoft recalled those XBox power cables.
I find it a bit sickening that the military is producing games to attract people to join. Aren't games supposed to be fun? Are they hoping for gamers to think "hmm- this game is fun, I think I'll join the army so I can HAVE FUN KILLING PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE." ?
Does anybody else find that unsettling?
Esoteric reference.
In the event of cadiac arrest the computer will automatically re-start your heart, call the paramedics, reserve a room at the hospital, notify your family, and cancel your dinner reservations. That is unless the game locks up.
Lag would also be a pain if it happens right when you die.
No one of consequence
Get with the programme.. not mainstream, but certainly not new.
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http://www.peselectro.com
..don't panic
I'm in NSW actually. But generally if you're not causing a disturbance you'll get no trouble from the police. "What's going on here?" "Just settling a little dispute officer." "Well do it in the alley, not in the street." is a far cry from "Right, you two, into the paddy wagon, you're off to a holding cell and you'll see the judge in the morning."
How we know is more important than what we know.
You should be charged with battery and kept in a cell.
That's it for me, I'm going ohm now.
while(1)
{
shockuser();
}
No chance of overflow with this loop.
"The newly born animals are then whisked off for a quick run through a giant baking oven." --heard on Food Network
"We've developed some innovative new ideas for this game," stated Mark Davidson, project manager for the Battlestar Linux effort. "Our game will be set in an environment of post-World War 3 New York, with the city engulfed in violence from scattered rebel groups, gangs, warlords, and other nice characters. What sets this game apart from other games is a new USB we are producing that will make the gameplay feel more real. Attachments that go to a skullcap, waistband, wrist- and ankle-straps, will provide an electric shock whenever the player is 'shot' by an electrical weapon such as the raygun or cellblaster. Gas burners installed in these straps will engulf the player in real flames if the player is shot with a flamethrower. Explosives placed in a pack, worn on the player's back, will blow the player up if the player is hit with a grenade or rocket. Finally, a system of shotguns, strategically placed around the room in a surround-sound fashion, will shoot real bullets at the player when the player is hit by bullets in the game. Our effort is intended to give new meaning to the term 'virtual reality.'"
People familiar with the matter suggest the game will only be available for Linux, a first for operating system vendor Microsoft, which usually makes applications available only for the Wintel platform and for the Mac.
... and we have "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Electro-Shock Edition."
Wonderful. Never will your child reach typing 60 w.p.m. faster. Or with fewer fingers.
- shadowmatter
> Can you say, "Wheel of Misfortune"?
no I can't, every time I tried to say it I got interupted, because the 1990s called, and they wanted their phrase back.
You've gone too far-radically too far - with the appaling punnage. They are so bad, it hertz...
Player:"hey, I got shot, where's the sho*zzzt*"
Oh I should expect he does. You see, the advantage of suicide software is that the users never survive to complain about the bugs. Ergo, no code maintenance neccesary!
two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other
Consenting? I think the law operates as it does because in fact consenting to being beaten up is really pretty unlikely, and the vast majority of situations where this might occur are cases of domestic violence, which surely no sane person would prefer the law turned a blind eye to. If you and a mate want a fight, go ahead - but make sure you don't create a disturbance, damage property or get any third parties involved. Usually by the time you've arranged all this you can be fairly sure the law will leave you to it - but by then presumably cool heads will have prevailed and realised the whole matter can't be settled by a fight. Fights are the last refuge of the idiot, and because society at large believes that, the law upholds that view.
From the FAQ:
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Can I communicate with partners who use different computers than I do?
Presently FuckU-FuckMe only works with Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT. Macintosh and Linux versions are currently being developed.
Why a linux version? Would anyone be able to use it?
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
Well anyway, the idea that you could have a weapon with two settings, stun and kill, gee, where did the cops get the idea that this would come in handy? Turns out that it is hard to stun someone without killing them. The old detective movie cliche of stunning someone by hitting them over the head? An MD writing in TV guide told readers that "if you hit someone over the head, most likely you just hurt them and make them mad. If you hit them harder to knock them out, chances are you kill someone from a hematoma."
I have seen films where they Taser a volunteer, and they start convulsing or they just faint and tip over and hit the mat in the gym they are doing this with a thud. I have seen a recent episode of "Cops" where they Tasered a whole bunch of different people, and it didn't seem to do anything. I suppose the electric shock causes intense, sudden pain, and that can cause someone to collapse, just like being shot with a bullet, only there is no tissue damage so the person doesn't bleed to death, but does it really work? I suppose a bullet doesn't always "work" in that a person can be fatally wounded but not always drop dead right away.
Anyway, I was the only person at the meeting willing to try the Taser (it was a model with two electrodes sticking out, and it didn't have the darts for remote action). I was going to zap my forearm and I was quickly advised "better try it on your leg. So I hold the Taser up to my leg and press the trigger. I was pretty embarrassed because I yelled out "Jesus Christ!" I was more startled than anything else, and it hurt real bad, but not the kind of hurt of someone drilling into your teeth -- more like the worst kind of muscle cramp -- it really hurt but I felt like my leg muscles were seizing up.
So what does a Taser do? Does it really knock a person out like on Star Trek, or does it merely cause a person to take the Lord's name in vain? Have they made the Taser more powerful in the last 20 years? More maybe because my finger was on the trigger, I let go when it first started to hurt, and a person has to deliver multiple jolts to get someone to collapse.
Man, that's really really stupid. "Fighting never solved anything" is the most absurd statement of all time. There's this thing called testosterone that us "idiots" have which tell us that causing someone else harm will earn their respect. Arranging a fight with someone else who feels the same takes about as long as it takes to say:
"You tryin' to start something?"
"You wanna go?"
"Would you care to step outside?"
Now maybe your society at large thinks that is unacceptable behaviour, but the vast majority of males on earth think it is the most natural thing in the world. Almost every fight finishes with two men who now understand that they are powerful and deserving of respect, and subsequently treat each other such.
As for domestic violence, that's hardly the matter in question and is obviously not a case of prearranged agreemented combat.
How we know is more important than what we know.
The Police Powers Act clearly states that if you are assaulted you are free to assault the person back, in which case neither party can be charged with assault.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I'll bet everyone will be camping all the time.
You mean "hiding behind something bulletproof", just like most soldiers do in a REAL WAR unless the enemy is chasing them or their officers are ordering them to move? A real firefight between a dozen soldiers can take hours, since getting anyone to "rush" is both stupid and nearly impossible.
That's why "elite units" are elite, because they will actually voluntarily put themselves in harm's way rather than only trying to stay alive. Consequently, they can make short work of conscripts and half-trained farm boys.
Freedom: "I won't!"
http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm/
Remember for each person getting shot in an on-line game, there is someone willingly doing the shooting. One additional purpose of this could be to desensitize the players to inflicting harm on others, or finding people who never minded much in the first place. For those that do especially well, there is always prison guard duty...
"I love his boyish charm, but I hate his childishness" - Leela
Fights are the last refuge of the idiot
From my experience fighting is the first refuge of the idiot.
Cheers
Stor
"Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
i remember reading a story in a magazine about the first public demo of a force-feedback joystick. the game that was being played (doom) crashed and the joystick went beserk. if i remember rightly, the joy using the thing ended up with some broken fingers. moderen joysticks have a much less forcefull implimentations of this, but it askes this, what if the game crashes?
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
There are a lot of stupid people out there that I'd love to shock via the Internet.
If I give you permission to hit me how is it assault? It's just such an absurd term. We're not talking about someone punching you without reason. We're talking about two consenting adults agreeing to the terms of a challenge to rectify a grievance. Whether those two adults choose to flip a coin, play rock-paper-scissors, thumb wrestle, arm wrestle or have a fist fight is no concern of the law. The problem with the UK is that you are ruled. You're subject to the whim of the crown. Since the first parliament was convened in Australia we've introduced laws that have freed us from that rule. Thankfully the crown has never intervened (like they did in the US) and we've never needed to have a revolution. Unfortunately the concept of "victim of crime" has been lost. Even in the US people are convicted of crimes to which there is no victim. I wish we could return to the days when police actually responded to greivances instead of "patrolling" the streets. If there is no victim, there is no greivance and therefore, there is no crime.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I think the law operates as it does because in fact consenting to being beaten up is really pretty unlikely
Have you never heard of boxing?
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Paint balls hurt when they hit you. They can leave a pretty sizable welt if they hit you on a hard spot like the wrist.
So, you REALLY try not to get hit. It's exciting!
If there were a concequence to being shot in an FPS besides a two minute wait until the next round, it would make you think twice about rushing or doing something stupid, and develop more tactics. There would probably be more camping (not necessarily a bad thing if the level is designed well) and it would force you to overcome those camps with better tactics.
Of course, I wouldn't want it to be as painful as a damned stun gun.
But, in the end it wouldn't work because you have no way to be sure there's a device attached to every person playing the game over the internet. This only works if there's full participation (you know, like SPF.)
In a LAN game it could be a blast though.
If something like this came to the mass market, I'd expect it to be some weak vibrating belt thing, not an electric jolt.
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
See, that's exactly the kind of behaviour that would earn you an invitation to step outside if we were in the same room. You insult me freely on Slashdot demonstrating that you have no respect for me, because you feel no threat to your person. If we were in the same room you would not be so bold. Perhaps you consider my reasoning here to be uncivilised. To that I say: it is your actions which are uncivilised. Feel free to disagree with me. Feel free to tell me so. That is showing me respect. But calling me an idiot is clearly an act of disrespect and should be met with the offer of boxed ears.
How we know is more important than what we know.
No, violent idiots like you may earn my fear, but never respect.
To put a real fighting spirit into our PlayStation Generation. And it has a good point. If you get hurt, you can't just cry and take your ball and go home. That can get you and your squad killed. Getting hurt and wounded... that doesn't mean the fight is over. That just means the fight is on! That you have to fight harder, and smarter. Training like this is a good thing. - Former Instructor at the Infantry Training Center at Ft. Benning Georgia.
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Well as you noticed, it does make you cramp up. If you were standing, it was probably difficult to stay that way. Had you been walking or running, the sudden jolt would almost certainly make you lose your balance, which makes it quite difficult to attack someone. That is the point -- not to stun someone, but to forcibly remove their conscious control over major skeletal muscles. This only needs to take place for a few seconds in most circumstances, allowing time to surround the tas-ee and (once the juice is off) pin him down. This isn't to say that the pain doesn't play a role in it, it's quite useful as an intimidation tactic. But the real point is to stop what someone is doing without the high risk of fatal injury that comes from firearms (even with beanbags and the like).
Another aspect is that there is no scatter, there is no projectile penetration, and there is no risk of shooting the neighbor or wife through the wall accidentally. If firing into a crowded space, or even into a fistfight, you wanna make sure you hit just your target (but if you miss and hit someone else, you don't have to zap them).
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
1) who decides how much pain is enough for most people ? ;) - first kill the gamers
... random thoughts.
2) how conclusive is the study of pain for different persons, its all in the mind anyways, or the way one is brought up for pain perception.
3) cant someone be killed over a massive multiplayer network game? (people have hacked sims massively and some disease is also supposed to be spereading, so what stops people from hacking these?)
4) skynet can start from here
5) what abt shock addiction, new kind of pleasure for gamer junkies.
6) whats the legal age for gamers to experience such shocks!
7) what about disabled persons.
8) will the game creators include a fineprint that they arent responsible for any damages such as heart attacks, paralysis... and other possibilities mentioned in the forum.
As in, the big worry was heart fibrillation. I held on to a computer monitor as it was plugged in (the case was off), and recieved a couple tens of thousands of volts . . . burnt my thumb really had where I was holding it. I swore quite a bit, punched a locker (this was at school during a spare), walked down to the office . . . and then passed out, probably psychosomatic more than anythig else (though all that shaking does take it out of you).
I woke up a minute later on the office floor (oddly enough, I didn't "pass out" in a classical sense, I just had all my senses slowly fade until I was essentially unconscious simply because I had no awareness of any stimuli---very disconcerting, to say the least). After that I was taken in an ambulance to the hospital, though I was quite fine. I spent quite awhile tring to explain to a doctor how this had happened, he was baffled as to how I had burnt myself so badly off of wall current. "No, no, monitors have capacitors and..." but he wasn't getting it. It was a wasted couple of hours, but at least I got to join the very exclusive club of "people that had left our school in an ambulance", and I got a pretty unique story out of it.
It did mean that we never got that computer into the locker, though. Oh well, it probably just would've electrocuted the entire bank of lockers. On second thought, damn, that would've been interesting . . .
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
oh yeah...and in the near future on Windows update :
..some time later...
***user plays game, gets addicted to it and goes to anonymous website to download a new map***
"Windows had downloaded a security patch that will prevent a third party from gaining access to your computer and shocking you repeatedly. Click OK to update Windows."
***user clicks OK***
The following dialog pops up on screen:
"SUCKA! W1nD0z3 1s 4 n00bZ! I 0wn yoo n0w! Choose your hairstyle : Popcorn or Spikes"
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Thats the last thing I want. Work all day slaving for your boss and then you come home for a break, to relax and then your computer shocks you. This must be the real circle of life, constant pain.
Better make sure Immersion doesn't have a patent on this one Sony.
Being shocked through the hips cannot cause heart problems of any sort. Electricity has to path through your heart in order to mess up the natural rythem of the heart. More importantly stun guns operate on a super high voltage with extremely low current. It isn't voltage that can cause fibrilation but current. The number of electrons passing through a single point in one second. So over all tissue damage will be minimal, it is the force of these limited amounts of electrons that causes the red marks commonly found on stun gun victims. The tissue damage commonly resulted from electrical shock is due to the bodies resistance. The best example is to compare the body to a light bulb. With enough current, it heats up causing tissue damage. You literally cook. That is why defibrilation units cause skin to smoke and hair to burn because the amount of electricity forced through the heart is the same as is required to light a 60 watt bulb. Make no mistake, no heart problems can result due to this means of training.
The James Bond movie simply copied the same set-up from an earlier episode of the TV show The Avengers called "Dead Man's Treasure" where Emma Peel drove a race car simulator hooked up to deliver an electric shock to the driver when a mistake was made. Similarly shocking was another episode called "The Danger Makers" from the previous year where she had to walk along a see-saw holding looped wands around electrified tracks like you sometimes see on a smaller scale at carnival games.
That's hardly a fair statement... Think too much? C'mon, it's written in C...
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
The REAl problem with this will be that every player will suddenly see the inherent happyness of Camping, and nobody but those with this feature hacked to stay off will ever take a step into challenged territory.
The REAL advantage is that maybe people will finally learn that getting shot hurts like crapass.
*lol*
Yeah, right.. like gamers could learn.
Many playstation games have built-in support of dual shock (the controller shakes when you're shot, blown apart, etc. etc.), maybe that signal could be used to trigger the stun gun instead?
Oh wait, dual shock is patented...
Nevermind.