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IBM to Hire Firefox Developers

ta bu shi da yu writes "According to news.com, IBM has placed an employment ad for a developer who would be responsible for 'enhancing the Mozilla Firefox Web browser with new features complimentary to IBM's On Demand middleware stack.' IBM might possibly be interested in FireFox integration with their Workplace software. The job is not for just anyone, however, as those who wish to apply for the job should have some cred with the Mozilla development community."

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  1. Too Cool by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    Firefox==IBM's Browser?

    Years ago many of us would cringe at the thought, but these days Big Blue has taken on a certain cachet with their cozying up with Tux, sharing the wealth (IP, source and application contributions) and profit(!!!)ing (which many of us don't mind, because it helps promote the cause.) Sounds like a dream job, I just hope between Google and IBM they don't deplete the Mozilla development team. Maybe IBM would be friendly to the development and effectively underwrite some of it in this manner.

    The job is not for just anyone, however, as those who wish to apply for the job should have some cred with the Mozilla development community."

    For sure. Don't expect a successful interview to go like this:

    IBM: "What experience do you have with Firefox?"
    Interviewee: "I've installed it on my computer and read all Slashdot postings about it and I know how to block ads and pop-ups!"
    IBM: "Have you contributed to development?"
    Interviewee: "I've donated $10 through the mozilla.org site!"
    IBM: "Why do you think you're qualified for this position?"
    Interviewee: "I hate Microsoft, I bad-mouth IE at every chance and overlook any bugs in Firefox!"
    IBM: "We'll be in touch." [Picks up phone, hits a button, whispers, "Security. Please come to my office and escort my visitor off the premises!"]

    just a heads-up, ya know
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    1. Re:Too Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      what!!! there is no santa!!!!

  2. Just imagine... by elid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...if Firefox starts making it into those IBM On Demand commercials!

    1. Re:Just imagine... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
      ...if Firefox starts making it into those IBM On Demand commercials!

      What are you saying? Because Big Blue endorses it the PHB's of the world will embrace it?

      Sorry man, that paradigm died in the 90's. It used to be "Nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM" Now it's "Nobody ever got fired for choosing Microsoft."

      IBM is still out-earning Microsoft, but they're getting further away from hardware and are competing with the monopolist in some market segments.

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    2. Re:Just imagine... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But, but... those On Demand commercials are BLUE!

      Firefox is RED!

      Blue! Red!

      It will never work!

    3. Re:Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What he means is that if a "decision maker" (ie someone who doesn't have a fucking clue about IT, but is put in a position of choosing what to spend money on) picks for example Gnome/KDE+OpenOffice or Macs, and for some reason or another it all fucks up, he/she can get fired.

      If however, the same retard goes with an exclusively Microsoft solution (as all people who don't know their job will do without hesitation), then they will NOT get fired, because for some reason it's OK for Microsoft products to fuck up because that's the way all computers behave, and it's the industry standard.

      (yes, I've seen it happen a few times)

    4. Re:Just imagine... by kihjin · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news, IBM announces it's adoption of the color Purple...

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    5. Re:Just imagine... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Informative
      IBM is still out-earning Microsoft

      Well you sent me off to gather data to demonstrate how wrong you were. Of course it turns out you're right, so any belittling will have to wait for some other time. What's really amazing is that IBM earned nearly as much as MSFT's gross revenue. (And they both make absurd amounts of money.)

    6. Re:Just imagine... by Michalson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Depends what kind of office you have. If you're spending most of your time in a word processor, doing documents that need to look a specific way, then Microsoft Office is not going to work well (i.e. the law industry is almost exclusively WordPerfect, because Word just isn't up to the task).

      On the other hand, if you are running an office that works with a lot of numbers (as do most "offices" that act as the pencil pushing arm of a company that does something else), you'll need a spreadsheet program, and nothing currently beats Excel (with the exception of a few scientific setups).

      So in general: If your office is your business, Office is probably not for you. If your office is what supports/manages your business, Office is probably just what you need.

  3. And in another area... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sam Ruby, IBM employee, Apache/PHP/Atom hacker, is questioning the need for middleware completely.

  4. Please be open minded, open sourcers... by kangpeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One must realize that the fact that IBM is showing the desire to produce technology using Firefox is incredible. When BIG corporations decide to make Firefox specific technologies, we can finally say "Goodbye IE and Hello Firefox." I'm not saying IE is bad, do not get me wrong. However, this will make competition in the browser wars improve SUBSTANTIALLY, as now IE really does have competition. No matter what you said before, 9 times out of 10 a computer you go to will, no doubt, have Microsoft Internet Explorer installed and used as the default web browser. However, with IBM throwing itself to Firefox, this may improve Firefox's race in the browser wars - leading to more competition - leading to both IE _AND_ Firefox improvement. Who knows - we may even see IE for loonix soon, after all, everyone knows Microsoft is the king of business. Maybe not software/whatnot. But, they are the kings of business. They will make sure they have a share in every part of the market. Why do you think they g0t a huge part in APPLE/Mac? =P =P =P

    1. Re:Please be open minded, open sourcers... by rve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IBM has invested a lot of money in websphere based thingies to make their Big Iron less tied to dumb terminals, only to make it more tied to Wintel PC clients running internet explorer, because it just won't work with other browsers.

      Rather than fix their middleware, I'm betting they want to try and fix firefox to work with deliberately IE-only websites.

  5. It gets worse. by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It gets worse.

    There are bugs in Santa.

    1. Re:It gets worse. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just don't bring up the Easter Buggy.

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  6. Re:Article Text by chachob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Uh, yeah, thanks... Just in case C|Net gets slashdotted...

  7. The Best Open Source Model by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the ideal situation for an open source project. Big companies who use the software all pay developers to add features that they need or want. It results in more development, more developers with experience, and ultimately makes the software better. Now, if we can just get a dozen more major companies to each hire a developer.

  8. Loathsome Notes by Salo2112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good - currently, Lotus Notes doesn't work so well with FireFox, which forces my users to have to use Explorer. Maybe we'll have another good reason not to use MS Explorer.

  9. in other news.... by mangus_angus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft followed suite by placing the following ad:

    "Wanted, anyone who is currently or is wishing to be part of the firefox team for immediate interrogation and death. Email names, addresses, daily schedules, to Not.Microsoft@gmail.com.

  10. Celebrity *programmer*?? by heroine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So the current darlings of slashdot, IBM, Apple, and Pixar, are on to doing the professional services thing and hiring celebrity programmers to win the contracts, just like VA I.O.U. and Redhat did.

    In the last round VA I.O.U. and Redhat had developers who were also celebrities and hiring celebrity programmers was the way they got contracts.

    Now all the celebrities are executives and programmers are fairly anonymous. There aren't many AOL programmers making headlines the way Rasterman and Mandrake used to. Today the headlines are always made by executives.

    Are they really looking for a celebrity manager to come from AOL and saying the word developer to get on the blogs, or are they still thinking programmers are going to make headlines today just like they did in the 90's?

  11. A Switch from Opera? by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It makes sense to me. IBM Rapid Restore & Recovery, at least on my boxes, uses Opera as the browser. It makes good business sense to switch to an open source browser with reduced licensing costs, and it's good for their developers because they can customize the browser in the recovery partition specially for recovery needs. By using Firefox, IBM can also score points with the open source community... evidenced by this posting on slashdot.

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  12. does "brain drain" impact Firefox development? by scupper · · Score: 5, Informative

    It struck me reading this headline that the Firefox dev team is under tremendous recruitment pressure, and it makes me wonder how all this cherrypicking of developers from the Firefox team, by the likes of Google and Big Blue, will impact the project's future development cycle.

    Is this brain drain going to cripple the project eventually or contribute to the problems we've read in March about the Firefox development review process?

    A little refresher....
    The Mozilla Release Process
    Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday January 18, @06:25AM
    from the every-time-you-ask-we-delay-it-one-hour dept.
    David Gerard writes "Asa Dotzler from the Mozilla Foundation invited questions on his blog on the Mozilla release process. The answers are up."


    Firefox Lead Now Working For Google
    Posted by michael on Monday January 24, @03:50PM
    from the speculate-all-you-want-we'll-make-more dept.
    zmarties writes "In a very low key announcement on his blog, Ben Goodger, lead developer for Firefox, has announce that effective from a couple of weeks ago, he has become a Google employee. In practice his day to day job won't change that much, in that he will still lead Firefox through its forthcoming releases, but with Google paying his wages, we can be sure that new and interesting overlap between the Mozilla Foundation's browsers and Google's services are sure to develop."


    Firefox Developer on Recruitment Policy
    Posted by michael on Monday January 31, @03:05AM
    from the cathedral-or-bazaar dept.
    wikinerd writes "A Firefox developer talks about the project's controversial invitation-only developer recruitment policy and explains why Firefox will never grow up."


    Problems With the Firefox Development Process
    Posted by Zonk on Sunday March 06, @11:39PM
    from the eyes-on-the-prize dept.
    An anonymous reader writes "Mike Connor, one of the core Firefox developers, is raising a flag concerning the Mozilla Firefox methodology of development. From his blog: "In nearly three years, we haven't built up a community of hackers around Firefox, for a myriad of reasons, and now I think were in trouble. Of the six people who can actually review in Firefox, four are AWOL, and one doesn't do a lot of reviews." In an earlier entry, he raised concrete concerns about the community involvement. Asa Dotzler recently elaborated on the process, as previously covered on Slashdot."


    Mozilla Foundation in More Development Trouble
    Posted by samzenpus on Thursday March 10, @07:44AM
    from the who-will-get-the-kids dept.
    sebFlyte writes "After the reports of problems with Firefox' development earlier this week there are now rumblings about more serious problems with the Mozilla Suite. Some developers want to spin the suite out as a community project that the foundation has no responsibility for, and others want to create a Firefox Foundation to deal with the success of the standalone browser."


  13. Hireing Firefox developers: The new black? by MasterOfDisaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems hireing Firefox developers is the new fad. Google just picked up a few, and if I rember correctly, there's no shortage of other companies who have one or two.

    I know alot of slashdotters are scared of big companies trying to grab up peices of open source - but I for one think that this is an entirely good thing. It removes some of the nesesity of the end users to contribute (We alwas should, but some of us aren't skilled enough to code, or fiscaly stable enough to donate).

    I'm just waiting for the news to break that Apple is looking for some firefox developers. I know they're using KHTML for Safari, at least at the moment, but Mozilla is, in many ways, a better browser - it just needs alot of polishing for the Mac. For example, Safari with 10 tabs, over 3 windows uses just over 30MB of ram, while Firefox eats up nearly that much with just about:blank open, and once you begin to actuly surf the web, it climbs sometimes 100MB of use.

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  14. XRE - XUL Runtime Engine/Environment? by centinall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Might IBM be creating a XRE? We all know that eventually Firefox/Thunderbird/etc will run off a global (to the system) XRE, right?
    or are they just going to be developing a suite of applications that use XUL?

  15. It was intended to be rhetorical... by Sam+Ruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was intended as a rhetorical question. I was told to think "radical" after all. ;-)

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  16. Re:I always pick the wrong project by ignipotentis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I place a formal request that you start hacking internet explorer?

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  17. No no no no no..... people have this all wrong by Jedbro · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not sure how this got so hyped up, but this is not IBM waking up looking for a Firefox Dev, they already had one. Darin Fisher.

    He moved on to bigger and better things at Google, so really all this Hype is over a simple position replacement ad.
    Blah... the media sucks.

  18. Re:The big + for firefox by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The main difference is, Xul is an official W3c spec

    Really? So why does searching the W3C site for XUL only give a load of mailing list posts? Why is XUL not mentioned in their site index? Is it, perhaps, because it is a Mozilla technology? The specifications are published, so it is an open specification, but it is not endorsed by the W3C.

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