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Firefox 1.0.3 and Mozilla Suite 1.7 Released

ESqVIP writes "Not long after Firefox 1.0.2 is out, there's a new public release. Just like the other 1.0.x releases, this is mostly a security fix. The release should hold for a few more days and we could also get bug 171349 (wrong icon displayed on Win9x) fixed. Mozilla Suite, on the other hand, has quite significant changes, some of them "imported" from Firefox. As announced before, this might be the Suite's last major release from the Mozilla Foundation."

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  1. Mozilla 1.7.*7* by Jack+Comics · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just a correction to the original story, Firefox 1.0.3 and Mozilla Suite 1.7.*7* was released today, not 1.7.

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    1. Re:Mozilla 1.7.*7* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      And here's a link to the correct readme file for Mozilla 1.7.7 .

    2. Re:Mozilla 1.7.*7* by alonsoac · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right, and the correct link to the new features is here. As you can see there is not much new in there. Except for the security fixes which do seem important.

  2. A good sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The great thing about open source is that security flaws are found and rapidly fixed.

    We all know people who argue that the large number of Firefox security fixes is bad -- but in fact, it is the mark of healthy and vibrant software.

  3. At least 1 fix by Pmkool1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This should fix the Add/Remove Programs bug where installing a new version over the old version leaves the both entries in the Add/Remove list.

    Other than that, mostly just security issues.

  4. D'OH by ReverendRyan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if the update system would just not require a reinstall.

    Most of the people I've converted aren't great at installing software, no matter how simple it may be.

  5. Did they fix the bug where Safari owns it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I sure hope so.

  6. Firefox startup time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have noticed that firefox isnt the fastest starting up on a windows computer, same on my linux machine, but I installed Mozilla couple of weeks ago and it started up almost as fast as IE. Then in this release it says "Size and performance have improved dramatically with this release. When compared to Mozilla 1.6, Mozilla 1.7 is 7% faster at startup, is 8% faster to open a window, has 9% faster page loading, and is 5% smaller in binary size." I am about to install and try it. But why can FireFox not take this and use it to make it's start up times faster??!?

    1. Re:Firefox startup time... by jcupitt65 · · Score: 4, Informative

      At the moment the Mozilla suite has a more recent version of gecko under the hood. The next firefox (1.1 I think it's going to be called, due out in a few months) will be switching to this and get these improvements too. It'll fix some bugs too, eg. the slashdot rendering problem.

    2. Re:Firefox startup time... by adam1101 · · Score: 5, Informative

      False: firefox 1.0.3 has gecko 1.7.7, same as the current Seamonkey suite. Only the unreleased 1.8beta suites have newer versions, but there won't be an official 1.8 suite release by the Mozilla foundation. Firefox 1.1 will be the official release of gecko 1.8. There is a group of old Seamonkey developers working on a release of the suite 1.8 (under a different name), but I doubt they'll have something ready before firefox 1.1.

      If you want to count beta's, the firefox trunk nightlies have gecko 1.8 as well.

  7. Sigh. by Greger47 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm sure they got a million submissions about this. Why do they insist on picking the worst one?

    It's Mozilla 1.7.7, there's nothing new we didn't already knew about. The update has the same security fixes (scroll down) as the new Firefox release, that's all...

    /greger

  8. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "since Firefox does not have any code related to hibernation or PDF rendering, it is obvious that external applications or OS subsystems are responsible for the problems you're experiencing."

    If IE works and FireFox doesn't, then it's obvious that something could (and should) be done on FireFox's end to fix it.

    Lord knows, MS ain't gonna do it.

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  9. Re:Open Source has Security Flaws? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

    "So what your telling me is that open source software has security flaws? I thought these things only happened to closed software products!!!! OMG"

    NO no no! When OSS software has security flaws, it's great news because it shows how great OSS is! But when it's evil bad nazi closed source software, it's just further proof that it should be replaced by free (well, we're using the glamorous definition of the word free. 'Liberated code' sounds a lot better than $0.00...) alternatives!

    (Disclaimer: I'm picking on sensationalism here, not OSS.)

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  10. What They need to Update by earthstar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What they really need to update is the Update component of Firefox itself!

    For heaven sake,Dont make users download the whole package everytime!Thats a real Inconvenience for all, and its a burden for dial up users to download a 5 MB file that takes anywhere b/w 30 min and a hour .

  11. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by peeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    They need IBM to hire some FF developers...to create a OS/2 version. Then you can view your PDFs with ease!

  12. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by esbjorn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Linux has had hibernation for a long time.
    It is included in the main kernel, and I use it every day. Works flawlessly.

  13. Re:meh by meehray · · Score: 3, Funny

    I will continue to dwell in that wet dream..

  14. My only request by Mancat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please fix memory leaks. Firefox seems to allocate more and more memory over time, even when not in use. It will start off with around a 10MB footprint, and will eventually grow to almost 50MB, even with the memory cache disabled. This behavior shows up in Windows, Linux, Solaris, and NetBSD.

    No, I have not submitted a bug report, though I probably will. I've always figured that this was some minor leak that would be fixed "just around the corner," but its looking to be more and more unlikely.

    Thanks.

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    1. Re:My only request by drendite · · Score: 5, Informative

      this has been fixed in the latest trunk.. afaik we won't see it until 1.1

  15. Re:Open Source has Security Flaws? by TelJanin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, OSS has security flaws. The difference is that they are fixed.

  16. Mozilla failed the "In your face" test... by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow, I just loaded Mozilla 1.7.7 and it popped up infront of my shells while I was working. Umm, who decided this was a good feature? Firefox loads in the background.

    Really, I hate popup dialogs or any other program that things it has to be your center of attention while you are working, and take focus. Mozilla hasnt did this in the past, and firefox doesnt, wtf happened?

    Shame.

    BTW, wonder if I get marked flaimbait, troll for a noticing this on the new release and commenting on it. Because you cant say anything negative these days without someone thinking you are being rude. Negative comments are just that, something that can be fixed. I have serveral mozilla bugs that are still not fixed, mostly because its due to older hardware. The downloading of files, where it can cripple a sub-1ghz laptop and 4200-5400 drive, freezing the whole laptop (On windows). :) I use Firefox and Thunderbird, being a long time Netscape (4.x) email client user. Things just keep getting better, (mostly).

  17. Damn shame by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been using Moz since 0.5x on Linux. I've gotten very used to it.

    I started using Firefox once 1.0 was released. I used it heavily, and for a while, it was my preferred browser. (Mainly because the bright orange icon was easier to find than the bluecurve icon on my FC3 laptop)

    But, finally, I had to go back. Moz is just simply better. Having separate address and search bars is a stupid waste of space. The find being down at the bottom of the screen was... funky.

    But the one that did it? Refresh on view source!

    I develop web apps, and the ability to see raw output in HTML, do a tweak on the file on the server, and then hit reload while viewing source, and see the source update, was the straw that broke the Camel's back. In FF, I have to close the "view source" window, hit refresh, then View Source again.

    Ugh.

    I haven't uninstalled FF, but the icon is no longer on my desktop, and I really don't use it anymore.

    Funny, how the STUPIDEST features can make the biggest differences, no?

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    1. Re:Damn shame by ydnar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ctrl+W
      Ctrl+R
      Ctrl+U

      Or you could write an extension...

  18. useability by some_god · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish someone would port the ability to open bookmarks in tabs to mozilla, like it is done in firefox, that and the firefox search bar is the only thing that keeps me on firefox.

    Yes i am aware of sevral plugins that will do this, but they are all crap and/or does so much id have to spend a lifetime going trough options just to get it back to a good state (im looking at you multizilla and Tabbrowser Extensions).

    Mozilla starts up in around 1 second on my computer (2.7 p4 running debian) and firefox starts up in around that time or slower.
    mozilla is more stable and i can keep it open for weeks at a time while firefox starts sucking up memory like a whore in a bank managers convention in only a day or two.

    I still use mozilla for mail, why? because it starts as fast as thunderbird or faster and feels smoother so why bother?

  19. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by prandal · · Score: 3, Informative

    I expect a lot better from Slashdotters than this "naive user" style bug report. Which operating system? Which patch level, which version of Adobe Reader? Adobe Reader 7.01 and Firefox 1.0.3 on a fully patched Windows XP work flawlessly together for me.

  20. Re:hold for a few more days? by TomC2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I doubt that Win9x users (like me!) would say that - seeing as we've missed out on the IE pop-up blocker included with XP service pack 2, and Win95 won't run IE6 at all, only IE5.5. So franky Firefox is now the only decent browser for Win9x unless you want to pay money for Opera (or have an ad banner)

    I do admit that the wrong icon being displayed is a fairly trivial issue, however.

  21. Customize toolbar and creating search keywords by jeti · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Select View->Toolbars->Customize... from the main menu and drag the search field from the toolbar.

    2. Create bookmarks with keywords for your searches. Several are predefined. If you want to f.e. have a quick way to search goggle images, go to images.google.com and right-click the entry field. Select "Add a Keyword" from the context menu, and enter "gi" into the Keyword field of the dialog.

    Typing "gi whales" into the address bar now searches google for images of whales.

  22. Re:Problems with the Moz and FF plugin interface: by scragz · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with Open Source software is that there is no one to say, "This bug MUST be fixed, before anything else is done." OO people work on what they want, and the less interesting stuff, like fixing someone else's bugs, doesn't get attention.

    It's called a realease blocker. At least in the Mozilla world, there are plenty of them for every major release that, err, block it from being released.

  23. Planned for Firefox 1.1 by jeti · · Score: 4, Informative

    This feature is being worked on and should ship with Firefox 1.1 .

  24. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by onosendai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a simple fact about software development, bugs are guaranteed, especially on a projects as complex as Mozilla, heightened by the multi-platform delivery platform that's expected of Mozilla & Gecko.

    Given that, imho, it's much better to see many bug fix releases in a vibrant and alert software project rather than minor patches every year and major releases years apart.

    'Being less buggy' isn't the measurement here, identifying and resolving the bugs is. I know it's a half full/half empty argument, but software testing should never be approached with the 'be less buggy' attitude, it should always be approached with the 'find the bugs' attitude.

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  25. For Version 1.0.4 PLEASE by taxevader · · Score: 5, Insightful

    please please please dont let the URL disappear if the page times out.. its frustrating enough opening 10 pages to have 8 of them load. but for the 2 that didnt load to not even be reloadable due to a totally blank URL line is just unforgivable!!

    please fix this bug ASAP!! /end of rant

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    1. Re:For Version 1.0.4 PLEASE by Denyer · · Score: 3, Informative
      Strictly speaking it isn't a bug. It is an annoying default behaviour for most people, though.

      Hit 'about:config' and toggle 'browser.xul.error_pages.enabled' to true.

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  26. Re:I still prefer the suite by fugas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I also prefer the theme of the suite browser. IMO, the next best thing is the FirefoxModern theme.

  27. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by madscientist003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the number of updates that either browser releases that determines how "buggy" it is. In fact, I might be happy seeing a release per day from each of them, because then you know that each is being developed continuously, and the browser you are using today is quite likely improved relative to the one you were using yesterday.

    What is much more scary than having frequent product updates is having no updates at all. Just ignoring bugs because they're easier to ignore than fix. I'm not sure why the mindset of some folks is that if an upgrade is being released the program must be garbage. People do not complain about the security (or lack thereof) of Windows because of the number or frequency of updates being made available on the Microsoft website. It's the bugs that aren't being fixed that are the problem.

  28. Re:hold for a few more days? by shish · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I wasn't aware Win9x was worth supporting anymore

    Maybe not any more, but the bug was reported 2 years ago; I doubt the mozilla foundation would like a joke along the lines of "how do you fix a mozilla bug? Wait until the platform is obsolete, then ignore it!"...

    I've been following that bug personally, and I'm still confused as to how it could take 2 years to fix, and why they didn't use the hackaround in the meantime; for a 1.0 app to not have an icon is very embarrasing, and kept making me think the installer was corrupt :/

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  29. Re:I still prefer the suite by bunratty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mozilla 1.8 will be released, just under a different name with QA done by the Seamonkey group instead of the Mozilla Foundation.

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