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Real World Anger Affecting MMOG Reality?

We reported late last week that FFXI was under a DDOS attack. The Japanese origin of the title may be the reason for the attack, as Ludonauts asks the question of whether chinese crackers may attacking the game because of political frustration. From the article: "Discussion on the Allakhazam forum points the attack at Chinese protesters angry about the deletion of references to Japanese war atrocities from history textbooks: the DDOS attacks began on April 9, the same day as the protests in China. In FFXI, this issue is linked to the question of 'gil-sellers,' players who farm in-game resources for real-world cash, who in FFXI are usually characterized as Chinese: many who are suspected of being gil-sellers have placed comments in their searchable information fields like 'Resisting all Japanese goods, long live the People's Republic of China.'" Commentary available from game girl advance, Broken Toys, and Terra Nova.

46 comments

  1. From TFA by kryogen1x · · Score: 2, Funny
    It is interesting, for example, that no matter how angry the world gets at US foreign policy, there is no campaign to take down Xbox Live.

    Isn't it obvious? Al Qaeda just loves playing Halo 2.

    1. Re:From TFA by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Isn't it obvious? Al Qaeda just loves playing Halo 2."

      Heh. Seriously, though, it seems that XBOX Live would be a crappy service to disrupt if you're mad at the USA. I'm not sure how I'd register a complaint about that, but XBOX Live seems like a wasted effort. Hmm.. how about the IRS's site close to the 15th? Heh.

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    2. Re:From TFA by usmc.spitfire · · Score: 1

      I thought the whole "destroy all sentient life in the galaxy" would raise eyebrows in Al Qaeda.

    3. Re:From TFA by fuzzybunny · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, I think you're right--all of a sudden you'd have millions of pissed off gamers taking a quick glance at their PC, then looking again, and thinking, "hmm, maybe America's Army isn't such a bad bet after all."

      All the army guys would have to do then is promise the XBOX Live outage victims that they could play with something like this, or this, or these or even better, one of these

      Conveniently leave out the part about pushups and getting yelled/shot at and you'd have hordes of HALO fanatics breaking down your doors to come join up. So hey, Al Qaeda, if you're reading this, better leave XBOX Live alone!

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    4. Re:From TFA by ikkonoishi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unlike a large portion of China, most Al Qaeda members are not bored college students who spend their free time playing MMORPGs.

    5. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol well most people who farm online money are not college students but poor or school drop outs

      never know maybe alQueda will start a farming company

    6. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      lol well most people who farm online money are not college students but poor or school drop outs

      never know maybe alQueda will start a farming company

      Like you, grammar boy?

  2. Hmm.... by briankoenig · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Gamegirladvance must be friends with one of the admins to have so many links to articles in such a short time period!

    Especially when the article in question is just a copy/paste of the Terra Nova article, with only two typo-ridden sentences as commentary tacked on the end.

    As for the DDOS attacks being linked to national unrest, it seems like a rather odd way to vent frustration and anger about the China/Japan situation. I can't imagine anyone in power noticing something as trivial as gameservers in the current situation, and the effect on the average Japanese user is slight at best.

    1. Re:Hmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to be pretty desperate to request a blow job from a slashdotter.

    2. Re:Hmm.... by identity0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As for the DDOS attacks being linked to national unrest, it seems like a rather odd way to vent frustration and anger about the China/Japan situation. I can't imagine anyone in power noticing something as trivial as gameservers in the current situation, and the effect on the average Japanese user is slight at best.

      Yeah, it's not like people would do stupid things like hacking Al-Jazeera out of pure nationalistic spite.

  3. This is greed and stupidity here... by TiredGamer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I doubt the Chinese protests have much of anything to do with the Distributed Denial-Of-Service attack on the FF11 servers. It's a little embarrassing that anyone would credit Chinese aggression in the attack, only making the link because the game is Japanese. This and the prior attack on a group of high profile U.S. commerce and search sites are more likely standard scriptkiddie activity hiding behind government propagada. To them it's obvious their government will not seek them out for such idiocy (seeing the targets are on the PROC shitlist at that moment), so it's free hand to be stupid.

    Anyone that claims this is Chinese cyberwarfare needs their tinfoil hat checked.

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    1. Re:This is greed and stupidity here... by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "only making the link because the game is Japanese."

      In case you haven't noticed, that's pretty much how the rioters have been operating. They've been trashing Japanese cars, reguardless of who's driving them, and attacking Japanese factories, reguardless of who's working in them. You're trying to apply logic to mob mentality, and it just doesn't work that way.

    2. Re:This is greed and stupidity here... by TiredGamer · · Score: 1

      If this were any other country but the PROC, I might agree. Yet nobody protests in China without either government okay or being run over by a tank. You could remove "Japanese" and insert any other group or country into the mix. These individuals care less about the target and more about the act. The same thing is going on with FF11's servers. The people doing this have ulterior motives and the entire Japanese thing is just an excuse.

      And the Japanese textbook issue has been a topic for almost a decade, as has Japan's desire to be a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. These "protesters" are several years late in their rightous anger. It's just an excuse and a political ploy by China. Business as usual.

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    3. Re:This is greed and stupidity here... by Bluetick · · Score: 1

      Dude the Chinese government has been trying to put the screws down on this protest since it started. Their not allowing any print or television of the protests for fear that they'll become more widespread. And they're using police in riot gear to try to break up the protests. This isn't a political ploy, Japan is a huge trade partner with China, wtf would their government want to see this continue?

    4. Re:This is greed and stupidity here... by TiredGamer · · Score: 1

      Two words: political leverage. "See how outraged our citizens are? You must be more conciliatory towards us!" If the Chinese wanted order, the tanks would roll and these rioters would be dead or rotting in jail. The PROC does not tolerate dissent that isn't wanted, so why would this dissent be tolerated? It's a play, and apparantly one many have fallen for.

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    5. Re:This is greed and stupidity here... by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Two words: political leverage. "See how outraged our citizens are? You must be more conciliatory towards us!"

      That's part of it. But the PROC isn't only trying to influence Japan and the "international community", but also their own citizens. By encouraging some pseudo-grassroots anti-Japan protests, they get more of their citizens angry at 70-year-old Japanese warcrimes.

      That keeps them distracted from remembering the 40-year-old PROC peacecrimes, which coincidentally had 10,000 times as many victims as anything the Japanese did.

      Quite funny to watch China accuse Japan of whitewashing history, when China has whitewashed its more recent, more local history to a much greater extent.

  4. Hmm. by Mandoric · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it's certainly possible that Chinese groups are behind the attacks, it's unlikely that the (over-maligned to begin with) RMTs are. The biggest companies are based out of Hong Kong, which due to its heavy trade involvement isn't seeing as heavy anti-Japanese sentiment; in any case, given that their dinner and bed rely on maintaining a brisk sales pace, bringing the game down would be counterproductive.

    1. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll bite in my ignorance. WTF is an RMT?

    2. Re:Hmm. by cicatrix1 · · Score: 1

      Real Money Trade. Selling in-game items and currency for Real Money.

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  5. From behind the Great Firewall of China... by MMaestro · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Japanese are attempting to impose their imperialistic reign over China once again! Let us rise together and fight off the evil aggressors as our ancestors have done before!

    /sarcasm

    Its humorous to see how a lot of posts here on /. seem to have this idea that the Chinese are seriously informed about what they're 'fighting' (read: rioting) for. China is still a Communist country with a censored press and is subjected to a censored internet (something few outsiders could probably comprehend). Regardless of what it looks like from the outside, people need to think of what the average Chinese citizen sees from the inside. Once you do that, its not TOO much more difficult to see why the Chinese would/are doing such things.

    Japan is attempting to join the security council at the U.N. China is the only MAJOR U.N. player in Asia (Russia doesn't count since its focused domestically and to its southwest right now). Throw in political (North Korea), economic (U.N. sanctions on China for human rights issues to cut competition?) and historical (WWII fears) and you have a nasty case of mass backlash.

    1. Re:From behind the Great Firewall of China... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Once you do that, its not TOO much more difficult to see why the Chinese would/are doing such things."

      Except this has gotten out of Beijing's control. Protesting is one thing, but rioting is something completely different and not something the Beloved Party would want anything to do with right now. They're in enough trouble with their recent legislation against Taiwan that they don't need to be damaging relations with Japan quite to this degree right now.

    2. Re:From behind the Great Firewall of China... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though some people are saying that they really aren't doing much to keep the protesters under control. Although, since this is China we're talking about, that may be a lot better than what they usually do.

    3. Re:From behind the Great Firewall of China... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except this has gotten out of Beijing's control.

      Nothing that goes on in China is out of Beijing's control. The fact that the rioters are not all dead is actually rather extraordinary and tells you a lot about how the government actually feels about the riots (even if they speak as though they condemn them.) When tanks don't mow down protesters in Beijing, that is what's known as "tacit approval."

    4. Re:From behind the Great Firewall of China... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Nothing that goes on in China is out of Beijing's control."

      Sorry to get all foil-hat on you, but that's what they want you to think. There are 1.2 billion people living in China and only so many of them are members of the Beloved Party, let alone the People's Liberation Army. Beijing rules more by intimidation than by true force of arms. The system works by both coming down hard on small, select groups while keeping the majority happy enough to keep from being a threat. There's nothing Beijing can really do against a series of generally popular protests distributed throughout the country.

      The crackdown in Tiananmen Square didn't happen because the PLA is that powerful, but because the student's were short-sighted enough to stay gathered in a single, easy-to-surround target (namely Tiananmen Square).

  6. Just goes to show... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...how globalizing the Internet can be. It can take localized conflicts and expand them to influence a much wider area.

    This suggests that decentralization of popular services is even more important than ever before, both on a technical and social level. If someone has a monopoly on something that has a widely-spread fan base, and they give it a common address (DNS, IP, postal, conceptual, whatever), then individuals or groups from anywhere can disrupt that product everywhere.

    I wonder how this is going to drive uptime-maintaining technology for MMORPGs. My impression is that existing systems aren't very good at failover. Virtualizing server systems and spreading them over clusters in a failover-compatible way would be a good start.

  7. Background Knowledge by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If anyone wants further news about this, I found this to be interesting.

    Basically, during the fall of one of the latter Chinese dynasties, protests against Japan were encouraged as the people had less faith in Confucianism and thus the emperor thought their anger against the Japanese could be used to rally national unity. In the same way, perhaps the current government's ideological grip is being lost as a communist economy is giving way to a much more open-market one and thus China again looks for a way to rally national unity.

    Some could even argue that allowing for free forms of expression against the Japanese government could lessen desire for other, less desirable, open demonstrations (ala Tienaman Square).

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    1. Re:Background Knowledge by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At times of desperation this is not unussual in any country, they tend to find someone to demonize.
      for a short time it ussualy works aswell but it has always been a bad idea for the rulling party to support and promote it for their own gains and facists tend to ldo it to get in to power

      Hittler userd the jewish people
      Saddam used the kurdish people
      people who are Communist tend(ed) to be demonised in the USA ,atleast during the cold war
      After the tragedy upon the Twin towers(and a few other incidents) , the arabic people tended to be seen as a fiqure to fear in many countrys .(many cases of random violance against anyone in a turban etc)

      This is a human trait as i see it not China's trait

      I would say that demonstrations against the japanese are quite inkeeping with the spirit of the rulling party so they whilst not openly suporting it (PR) , will turn a totaly blind eye if it does not affect the infrastructure of china

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    2. Re:Background Knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you are mentioning Background history, as a Chinese in Hong Kong, I would like to tell you the history.

      Not mentioning the war between Japan and Qing Dynasty(The Dynasty before ROC and PRC), during the 8-year(1937-1945) war between China and Japan, Japan invaded China, around 35,000,000 Chinese were killed by Japanese Army(who attacked Pearl Harbour in 1941), most of them were civilians.

      One important event, the "Nanjing Massacre", around 300,000 Chinese were killed(Some were raped.) after the Capital of China falled into hands of cruel Japanese Army.

      The war has ended for 60 years, however, Japanese Government allow ringwing publisher to describe the invasion as "entering China", and blaming China for starting war. They mentioned the "Nanjing Massacre" as "Nanjing Event", not telling the number of death, not mentioning that it is a organized and systematic killing of innocent people.

      Furthermore, they event claimed themselves as "liberator" of Asians from Western colonization during the war. What a shameless statement.

      Besides the textbook of history, some of their political leaders, including Japanese Premier, went to worship those Military leaders in the war every year. Could you imagine that German Premier worship Hitler every year and said that it is their country's culture and others should try to understand.

      Don't take as granted that Chinese are angry because they are brainwashed by PRC government, it is what the Japanese did that anger them.

      I understand that Western press or media don't write much on history of East Asia during WWW II, please try to find the truth before you make you conclusion.

    3. Re:Background Knowledge by ThomaMelas · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the bioweapon programs that the Japanese ran using Chinese civilians.

    4. Re:Background Knowledge by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      So you think all these anger and riots happens because governments manipulated a human trait? It's all about rallying for national unity? On top of that the current uprising is from the public, and the government actually asks the public to calm down and even go further as to ban some rally in some cities (in Beijing when a Japanese minister was visiting). What if your nation is invaded and robbed, your men massacred or used for chem/bio weapon guinea-pigs, women kidnapped, raped and used as sex slaves for the enemies' army. Oh yeah, that has something to do with national unity. And unlike Germany, the Japanese never officially apologizes to any of the involved Asia nations, nor compensation to any of the suffered parties. I urge you to read. http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NM.htm l http://www.library.yale.edu/NotaBene/nbx3/divupdat .htm

  8. Why was this even posted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, seriously, why was this even posted? Ignoring the fact that no one cares about FFXI outside of Japan any more, there's nothing new here other than an unfounded theory that was mentioned in the comments of the last story.

    Read the damned Slashdot story you linked to. It says specifically that they have contacted "[l]aw enforcement authorities in Japan, the United States, and Europe." Note that this happens not to cover China. Evidently the attacks are coming from Japan, the United States, and Europe. Not China.

    So this is yet another non-story about a three year old game that no one really cares about any more. I don't know if the DDOS attacks are real, but Square-Enix did manage to get their game back in the news just in time for their Return to Vanadiel campaign...

  9. how is it by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
    I bring this exact thing up in the DOS story and people trash me as some fanboy who blames everything wrong on china and now it gets front page news that I might have been right!!!

    Regardless of which its still ongoing and its still not just FFXI but other Japanese sites. It was a government mandated hacking the last time China used it against us in the Bosnian conflict, it wouldnt be a surprise if its a government mandated attack this time either. China is VERY smart when it comes to using technology to its advantage.

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    1. Re:how is it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this entire story is just as unfounded as your post was, because it's based on the same exact fucking rumor as your post was. I have no idea why this is Slashdot worthy.

      It's a rumor. That's all it is. Nothing has been confirmed yet. There's no substance to this story.

      Until there's some actual FACTS about this, this is still all just anti-Chinese racism by Japanese and by American players who idolize the Japanese.

      There's absolutely no proof that this is a Chinese-based DDOS. Some people have suggested that China is executing a DDOS attack against Japan in general. But there's no proof to that rumor, either. In fact, searching for "Chinese DDOS" on Google News comes up with this story and others like it.

      I think it's far more likely that Square-Enix simply pissed off some script kiddie and is simply incapable of blocking his attacks. Maybe it's someone upset over the cheapening of the endgame levels. Maybe its one of the players wrongfully banned for disrupting gilsellers. Maybe its one of the players who had their character deleted for not playing the game for three months.

      Who knows. It's all speculation. There's no information. This was a waste of a Slashdot story.

    2. Re:how is it by falcon5768 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      This comming from a AC which is a waste of a poster in many peoples eyes ^_~

      The fact is though there is a LOT to back up the claim china is doing a DDOS attack on Japan, likewise this is NOT a unheardof stratagy from them. like I said they did it to us a few years back and in the end after months of investigating we KNEW it was them.

      you can go on beleiveing the sky is brown for all I care, the fact that you cant see the lines connecting the dots doesnt mean that the lines and the dots arnt there. If this story was such a waste, why dont you start your own slashdot like site where only storys YOU like are posted.

      Couse knowing you you would run it as a AC ^_~

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    3. Re:how is it by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Well i don't have any of knowing if this story is correct , to me its just unfounded gossip at best and at worst propaganda.
      We would need some hard evidence to back up these claims if we are to take them seriously.

      basicaly right now by all the evidence you have , there is as much proof to think that sony did it to win back players to everquest lost in the japanese market or some or competitor.

      This right now is just an unsubstantiated rumor and a conspiracy theory .

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  10. Pot vs Kettle by sockdoll · · Score: 5, Informative

    Two nights ago at dinner my 12 year old son asked me that, if the Chinese were so upset about missing accounts of Japanese atrocities against the Chinese in Japanese textbooks, were they (the Chinese) reporting their own atrocities against their own people in their own textbooks? A basic study of the events leading up to the Cultural Revolution, and on through the events at Tiananmen Square in 1989, provides plenty of material for writing about domestic Chinese atrocities.

    While living in Taiwan in the late Eighties I had to spend a few hours in a cramped air raid shelter in downtown Taipei, because the authorities there felt that the Communists might use the protests at Tiananmen Square as an excuse to move against the student's supporters on Taiwan, and retake the island.

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    1. Re:Pot vs Kettle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because China is being hypocritical doesn't make them wrong. The Japanese are wrong for removing their history of attrocities against the Chinese from their textbooks. Just like the Chinese are wrong for removing their history of attrocities against the - uh, Chinese - from their textbooks.

      So, yes, they're being hypocritical. But they're still right - Japan is doing something wrong.

    2. Re:Pot vs Kettle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you're pretending the Chinese people have a choice. Somehow I don't think so. Is the rulership of the "people's" republic hypocritical? Yeah, I guess, but considering how completely and unappologetically evil they are, and have always been, maybe that hypocrisy hasn't gotten the attention some people think is deserves.

    3. Re:Pot vs Kettle by sockdoll · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree with you more, thus my "pot and kettle" subject line. They are both guilty of a degree of revisionism and obfuscation.

      "It takes one to know one." "Two wrongs don't make a right." "People in glass houses..." "I know you are but what am I?" etc.

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  11. piracy by Bongzilla · · Score: 0


    putting a stop to software piracy would go a long way towards making this a moot point I think

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  12. Dude. It's China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mob mentality is probably something along the lines of, "Hey, if the secret police tell me to riot and wreck Japanese products, I'm going to do a fucking spectacular job of it." In a case like this, it seems pretty logical.

  13. Funny... by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

    It's funny, I don't remember seeing any anti-Japan or anti-Western sentiment from the Chinese in FFXI.

    Monday nights we have our usual "why the Chinese government sucks and all its officials must be tortured to death in public" seminars in Lower Jeuno. There's always active participation in these from all sides, although our friends from the PRC generally display a level of bloodlust towards their own rulers that we in the west find incomprehensible. We really think they enjoy being able to hear our accounts of what it's like living in a free society, though. They always promise to share the good news with their neighbours.

    Wednesdays are "Free Tibet" nights. We march around Bastok for a couple of hours shouting slogans and demanding immediate Chinese withdrawal from Tibet. Turnout usually numbers in the thousands.

    Fridays are "Support an independant Republic of China!" night. This is where we celebrate a free, independant Taiwan and look forward to the day where it's finally in a position to take-over the mainland. This generally involves leaflet campaigns on the airships and the boats between Mhaura and Selbina. There's nothing quite like a captive audience.

    Saturdays and Sundays are generally too weighed down by the human rights symposia for any organised demonstrations.

    Now... if only somebody sufficiently senior in the Chinese government can read this post, maybe we can finally get rid of all those damned gil-sellers. ^^

  14. Re:Pot vs Kettle (Government vs Public) by grumpyman · · Score: 1

    All you said is true. But for one moment, do you think the general public in China, thought it was right thing to do during Tiananmen Square? It is not the government who stir up the uprising but the general public. As I mentioned in the above posting the government actually asked public to calm down and even ban protests in cities. Your son's concern is certainly 100% valid and legitimate. But because their government let Tiananmen Square happened and have not apologized for it, that DOES NOT JUSTIFY the Japanese twisted the history on the textbooks and tell their next generation that the war is about 'liberating asia'. They have the moral responsibilty to tell next-gen nothing but the truth. You son must have heard about holocaust, but does he know anything about what happened in China during WWII?