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valdean writes "Last year, the White House declassified an August 2001 intelligence brief entitled: 'Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US.' Among other things, the brief mentions that Bin Ladin 'wanted to hijack a US aircraft.' So why was it ignored? Graphic designer Greg Storey thinks part of the reason is poor design. He set out to modify the format of the original document into a more legible one."

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  1. The spoon explanation. by qewl · · Score: 4, Funny

    In related news, the declassified document now shows Laden originally planned to use spoons isntead of box cutters to hijack the planes...

    /who came up with that anyway? I've never picked up a spoon and thought, "wow that's a pretty input device.."?

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    1. Re:The spoon explanation. by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bush has aids?

    2. Re:The spoon explanation. by Arathrael · · Score: 4, Funny

      Must be inspiration taken from that other renowed villain, the Sheriff of Nottingham. I can see the scene:

      Bin Laden: We will cut their hearts out, with spoons!
      Lackey: Why spoons? Why not box cutters?
      Bin Laden: Because they're dull you twit, it'll hurt more!

    3. Re:The spoon explanation. by Atrax · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bush has aids?

      possibly. He certainly doesn't believe in safe sex

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    4. Re:The spoon explanation. by Tassach · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Thank God we won't have Bush forever
      Three cheers for the Twenty-Second Amendment.

      Of course, that just means that instead of King George we'll have his idiot brother occupying the White House in 2008, with the same old crooks pulling the strings behind the scenes.

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    5. Re:The spoon explanation. by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i guess you never have been to prison. your tounge is enouhg to sharped and harded a plastic spoon to the point of razer sharp. It will also be hard enough stich somehign several times. Ask any guard and they will tell you that it is a no-no to let a prisoner suck on a plastic spoon like a kid would do.

      It seems inocent enough but can cause alot of problems. Sharpened (metal) spoons are somethign that would definatly bypassed the security at the airport. It is also somethign that could have been planted on the plane without looking out of place.

      As for bold type and stuff the article mentions, It probably wouldn't be too goo of an idea. Once the president starts just looking for bold type instead of scanning the entire document, he is likley to miss things that some lower level official didn't deem important. Maybe we need to hire another cabinate member whos job is to read the reports entirely after the president and attempt to place the inteligence data into a more percice perspective and then verbaly express any concerns. This would double check the existing inteligence agencies opinion and ensure that at minimum, somethign is known byt the president.

  2. hindsight by hugzz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hindsight is always 20/20

    1. Re:hindsight by jaxdahl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so let's use this hindsight to improve our foresight

    2. Re:hindsight by hugzz · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Are you saying bad design can only be recognized in hindsight? Or that having a bad design kill once is an excuse not to change it going forward?

      i'm saying that it may be oh-so-clear to us now how important this document was, so we may think that it's the fault of the design that it was overlooked; but at the time, regardless of they design, they felt it was overlookable.

      at the time there was no design problem. it was simply not an important document. we only think to blame the design now because, using hindsight, we know the document was important.

    3. Re:hindsight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the whole "ex poste" versus "ex ante" thing turns out to be more than a little complicated.

      Even the "design issue" of the original post presuposes that in and amongst a digital info glut, we have ex ante knowledge about which information to highlight with pretty red boxes.

      Shit happens. A lot. Continuously. There is no way to centrally control it. In real life, there is no root.

      The sooner we dispense with the fiction that any entity (esp. government) can "monitor" and "act on" relevant information, the sooner we might move to a realization that no single entity can dictate behaviour on planet earth.

      The self-defeating meme of US foreign policy is that they just need enough analysts to absorb the information and produce a plan of action.

    4. Re:hindsight by hugzz · · Score: 4, Informative
      Oops: meant to say pseudo-Latin...

      it's lorem ipsum. basicly filler text that looks like english but wont distract the viewer from the real subject matter (the design)

    5. Re:hindsight by k-zed · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought he used Lorem Ipsum because the "target audience" (W.) wouldn't read the big wordy part anyway...

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    6. Re:hindsight by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
      Hindsight is always 20/20

      So that's why this is news over a year later. The TFA is dated "11 April 04". Slashdot: all the old news, dupes and hoaxes fit to print.

      Anyway, it doesn't matter how the information was presented. Bush DOESN'T READ these reports. He has his staff read them to him and summarise; even the one page format, which seemed like a dumbing down when Reagan did it, is too much detail for him.

    7. Re:hindsight by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought he used Lorem Ipsum because the "target audience" (W.) wouldn't read the big wordy part anyway...

      GWB isn't the only person who doesn't read the big wordy part. This is a common problem in all people.

      Even on websites targeted towards the intelligent, people post replies to news items without bothering to read the article. Additionally, users won't read replies past the second paragraph; anything after that may as well be lorem ipsum.

      Furthermore, fermentum wisi. Aenean nisl libero, rhoncus ut, aliquam nec, posuere nec, nunc. In hac habitasse platea dictumst. Donec vel nibh. Integer enim. Donec posuere imperdiet est. Nam et odio id eros congue imperdiet. Sed vel mauris. Vivamus commodo ipsum nec wisi.

      Fusce consequat, sapien non porta tincidunt, wisi lectus malesuada leo, vitae tincidunt risus libero ac metus. Sed lorem erat, dictum eget, commodo id, auctor volutpat, nibh. Ut sapien neque, tincidunt ut, convallis id, ultricies id, nibh.

      Duis varius. Mauris libero orci, sodales sed, tempor ac, bibendum vitae, urna. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.

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    8. Re:hindsight by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hindsight is always 20/20

      An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

      (grossly understated, actually--reading a goddamned memo about a known terrorist planning to attack the US is worth ~3,000 lives, two of the world's tallest buildings, part of the Pentagon, four planes, a "smaller" 40+ story building, the Patriot Act, $300bn+, >1.5k troops, 2 wars (so far), well over 100k innocent civilian deaths, our economy, major loss of respect in the eyes of the world, a state of fear, a society on the fast track back to the 1800's and before, and my future.)

      And the best you got is "hindsight is always 20/20"? FUCK YOU!

    9. Re:hindsight by dnoyeb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the question is do we put real people in real positions with real qualifications. Or do we continue to hire our friends and relatives and cronies to important positions.

      I think this comes from the belief that shit happens and you can't stop it so you might as well give the job to a friend who can't stop it either. I disagree. The politicisation of important US security institutions is going to result in very bad security.

    10. Re:hindsight by hawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even on websites targeted towards the intelligent, people post replies to news item.

      This also happens on sites like slashdot :)

      hawk

    11. Re:hindsight by Thing+1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Anyway, it doesn't matter how the information was presented. Bush DOESN'T READ these reports. He has his staff read them to him [...]

      Actually, Bush doesn't matter much in this topic. The author's point was simply to keep the existence of the document in the news. By that measure, he's done a good job, regardless of what he chose to highlight about the document.

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  3. Not quite right... by TelJanin · · Score: 5, Funny

    While a better designed document might not save the world, I believe it would help the President (Bush or otherwise) to quickly and more effectively discard the facts and act the way he would have otherwise.

    1. Re:Not quite right... by quarkscat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After studying a number of video clips of Dubya making ad hoc quips/speeches (as opposed to the "canned" party line), I am inclined to agree with the submitter. The PDB's should have been redesigned to match the "My Pet Goat" format, including graphics.

    2. Re:Not quite right... by hahiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would also have the disadvantage for the president that the paper trail showing his blatant disregard facts or prudence would be quickly and easily readable. He needs *more* obscurity, not less, to pull this off.

      I say: write 'em in ROT13.

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  4. All Over in August 2001 by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This was all over in the summer of '01. I think the problem was that the focus was on the Genoa summit, they thought the hit was going to be there, so then after nothing happened there was a lull. I remeber Drudge carrying this report on his big font banner in middle to late August for a few days.

  5. Not possible to take all threats seriously by imemyself · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is, that there are soooooo many theats that its impossible to take all of them seriously. If we did, then people would bitch more about having their liberties taken away, yada yada yada. Hindsight is 20 20. I don't think one intellegience briefing is enough to mandate massive security changes.

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    1. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The problem is, that there are soooooo many theats that its impossible to take all of them seriously.

      That would make sense if this was the first they had ever heard of bin Ladin. By the time of this memo, he had been openly at war with the U.S. for over five years, and had been slaughtering people in ever-more spectacular attacks designed for maximum civilian damage for even longer. He had demonstrated his deadliness and determination to destroy American interests around the world; they goddamn better have taken a memo like this seriously. I don't give a shit what font it is in, this is an important memo. That they missed it -- and ignored the bin Laden threat completely during most of 2001 -- is not excusable.

    2. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by LoonieMiami · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only did they know....they trained him! Aren't we great?

    3. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That they missed it -- and ignored the bin Laden threat completely during most of 2001 -- is not excusable.
      Got anything to back that up? There doesn't seem to be anything particularly new in the first page of the memo. It's not like hijacking planes hasn't been terrorist modus operandi for decades, and the memo did not seem to mention the possibility of crashing planes into buildings. What were the specifically mentioned threats that were ignored? What recommendations were not followed? It's all very well saying the document is an example of poor graphic design, but I think any suggestion that "something was missed" needs to be backed up with something more concrete.
    4. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by mrosgood · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Excellent questions.

      Here's a thought: You could actually work just a wee bit to find answers some answers for yourself. The logical, and popular, places to start would be 9-11 Commission and the important followup Intelligence Matters.

      Of course, during this period where everyone gets to choose their own facts, you can choose to accept what is obvious to rational observers. Or not.

    5. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by milimetric · · Score: 2, Funny

      it would have cost us less to take all the threats in the world seriously than to incur the losses resulting from the 9/11 attacks. Think about it:
      - emotional damage for the country (not to be understimated, this is very much a country by the people)
      - monetary damage (count the airline fiasco and the 200 some billion dollars spent on Iraq with it, because 9/11 was used as an excuse to go there)
      - Bush is still in the white house... irreparable

      While on the subject, why pay 200 some billion dollars to go through Iraq "supposedly" to stop Bin Laden? Why not just offer a 20 billion dollar reward for Bin Laden? A lot less U.S. soldiers dead, and shit, for that money, I'd go after him.

    6. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by rastos1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, I remember when I started using internet, I wandered over to FBI web server and found there a web page simmilar to this. It was something like 1998 ... and yes, it did mention Bin Ladin in top ten most wanted people. I expect that a report delivered to White House having this name in, should ring a bell no matter what the rest of the report says.

    7. Re:Not possible to take all threats seriously by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2

      I remember thinking at the time that there would be a lot of this 20/20 hindsight critique. I knew that various elements of the plot were sure to have been known by government at the time and there would by a hue and cry that "we should have put it together" and "something could have been done". Sure enough government did know some things, and in some circles the hue and cry has been raised.

      Certainly we should analyze our failures. But much of the critique is just so unrealistic (and in many cases crassly political). Various investigations with the huge advantage of knowing exactly who and what to look for have taken months and even years to find all the needles in the government haystack, the stuff we "knew" and "should have put together". The critics can safely ignore the 99.999% of intelligence out there that was irrelevant and misleading and easily identify those few bits that after the fact are "obvious" and "should have been acted on". Even this stuff we "knew" and "should have acted on" I'll bet we were less certain about "knowing" than the "fact" that Hussein had WMD... and we all know how that worked out.

      Even much of the stuff that has been uncoverred after the fact that "should have been put together" have been contradictory: guys in the cell looking into getting licenses to transport hazardous materials, or looking into crop dusting airplanes. One had once inquired in some forum what it would take to sink an aircraft carrier. In the same time span how many other people were reported to the FBI for "acting suspicious"? How urgently do we follow up on every vague suspicion coming in about arab males looking into perfectly legal jobs? Or asking questions that could be idle curiosity? If we did take these suspicions as urgent what do we do? Harrass these guys (and the tens of thousands of other people that have been reported to the FBI or local police for "acting funny"? Where do you increase security? Small airports, Hazmat transportation and naval bases servicing aircraft carriers?

  6. Design or not... by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Design or not, it should have been read... and probably was.

    What should have the government done? Put the whole country under martial law? Shut down all commerical businesses and transportation and unroll millions of miles of razor wire?

    It was a lose-lose situation. Too bad they didn't replace the 85 year old baggage scanners earler. :(

    1. Re:Design or not... by hugzz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Too bad they didn't replace the 85 year old baggage scanners earler. :(

      i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure box cutters were perfectly legal on planes at the time. changing the baggage scanners wouldn't have made a difference

    2. Re:Design or not... by Boronx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they should have rounded up the known Al Qaeda members in the US (at least two of the hijackers were known by the governement to be associated with Al Qaeda and to have entered the US), beefed up security on the planes, kept pilots informed, and perhaps most importantly, sifted through FBI field reports to see if there were any leads (there were several).

      Now, if that's too difficult, Bush could have just asked his head of counter terrorism, Richard Clarke, if the threat was serious and what he ought to do about it. Even that, apparantly, was too much to ask from our boy wonder.

    3. Re:Design or not... by tbuckner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All the governemnt had to do is *tell the people the truth* and the hijack threat was taken care of. You cannot do a 9/11 hijack now, because the passengers will fight like wolverines. Tactically, it was a one-shot deal. Why does nobody see this????? You could still lose planes, but the cooperation the hijackers needed to let them reach the buildings depended on ignorance. Now every passenger knows they must fight. Why, oh why, does nobody see this obvious fact?

  7. Lorem Ipsum = danger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wonder no one paid any attention to the report! Judging by the new document, the whole thing was just full of gibberish beyond the headline!

  8. Threat Matrix?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All a threat matrix does is encourage people to create their own filtering systems.

    "Oh, that Bin Laden warning? Nah, I didn't take it seriously... I only read Threat Matrix 15 and above" ...which instantly puts all of the blame onto the poor sap who allocated it as a 9!

    Better that these kind of documents all look the same, and *force* people to read every word. Those that don't read every word aren't doing their jobs properly.

  9. Latin Jibberish Generator... probably from iWork.. by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Informative

    Several desktop pubishing applications can generate "latin jibberish" to fill in text areas. It looks silly at first, but it helpful for layout. "Pages", part of Apple's iWork package, is one app that I know does this.

  10. Signal to noise. by Inominate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    SOMEWHERE in the bureaucracy is a document covering every imaginable possibility. That an event was predicted by a document in no way means anyone had any idea it was coming.

    Whenever anything happens, you can always find SOMEONE who predicted it, that doesn't mean they knew it was coming. It just makes it easy to pick the signal out of the noise when you know what you're looking for.

    1. Re:Signal to noise. by pascalpp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whatever, dude. This was not some random document that someone dug out of the garbage in order to prove some lefty point. This document was a Presidential Daily Briefing given to Bush a month prior to the attacks. Those briefings are very high profile and (one would hope) well-researched. The implications at best are that the administration committed a major oversight in not looking further into the possibilities of such an attack. At worst, there is an implication of willful ignorance or perhaps even complicity. Even I find this unlikely, but the possibility has yet to be fully investigated, and perhaps it never will.

      Regarding TFA, the design of the document is almost certainly a minor factor among the possible reasons it was ignored. (And yes, I've read my share of Tufte.) However, knowing this president, it might have held his attention longer if it had pretty illustrations of planes flying into buildings on the cover. And perhaps it should have been titled "My Pet Terrorist."

  11. Why was it ignored? by blueberry(4*atan(1)) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    MIHOP/LIHOP. They (neocons) made/wanted it to happen. The Bush regime needed a "catalysing event" to wage war and institute repressive measures in the name of "fighting terrorism". (think Pearl Harbor) It didn't take long for them to then conquer Iraq and establish their 14 military bases at a cost of $300 Billion. Now they are beating the war drums against Iran and threatening the judiciary. Why was it ignored indeed.

    1. Re:Why was it ignored? by zulux · · Score: 3, Funny


      As a Neocon overload myself, I can attest to truth of your statement.

      In our defense, the whole "Kill 3,000 Americans and Take over the World" plot came out of a focus group held in Delwa, North Dakota.

      If you've ever been to Delwa, you'd be thankful that the number of deaths was under 3,000 - some of those people are even too crazy for my taste.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some babies to kill and some trees to cut down. I think I'll make the clowns sad again as well - you know, you got to put in extra effort if you want to get anywhere.

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    2. Re:Why was it ignored? by Boronx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's always worth asking who benefits.

      In any case, it's interesting that Prince Abdullah, leader of Saudi Arabia, home of most of the hijackers who were at least partly assisted by Saudi agents, came to Crawford Texas less than six months after the attack. Bush proceeded to kiss his butt.

      One of G.W.Bush's closests advisors is Prince Bandar "Bush" (so called by the Bush clan), who is ambassador to the US from Saudi Arabia. He worked closely with Bush in determining the country's response to 9/11, was one of the first people to revue the Iraq war plans, and smoked a cigar with Bush on the White House balcony at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan.

      All you really need to know is that Bush/Cheney fought tooth and nail to prevent investigations into 9/11. Why the American people didn't run them out on a rail for that alone, I will never understand.

      My question is this: Some rich, powerful members of the Saud and bin Laden family, some Saudi agents, and some Pakistani agents must have had wind of the attack, and yet they feared the wrath of America so little that they never tried to stop it or tip off American intelligence. Why is that?

    3. Re:Why was it ignored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just the fact the US was holding FIVE military exercises on the morning of 9/11, when the planes hit the WTC, and the fact that some of these EXERCISES involved terrorists crashing planes into buildings, should be enough to prove to you that, at the least, the US government had prior knowledge:
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004 /080904wargamescover.htm

      Also the US government has at least made plans, in the past, to attack its own forces, i.e. blow up a plane, bomb a ship, etc., in order to justify going to war. This has been revealed in declassified government documents. The plan was called "Operation Northwoods":
      http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

      Oh, and here is a short documentary "movie" on the 9/11 Pentagon hit: http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf

    4. Re:Why was it ignored? by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "how the country is worse off because of Bush (I don't know about you but my salary is up 130% over the last 5 years, I own a house at 5.5%, I have health insurance which I didn't during the Clinton years, and I've been able to get completely out of debt except for my house.. so to me I think Bush has done a good job on the home front.).

      This is classis psychopathic libertarian reasoning. A psychopath is someone who only cares about themselves, and has no concern for anyone else. So things look great for you? Wonderful! who cares about anyone else?

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  12. Too much text by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember these are busy politicians. A simple one page graphic of a plane exploding, people on fire, politicians getting blamed, etc. might have better conveyed the message, since apparently the headline "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US" didn't instill the proper amount of concern.

  13. Re:Latin Jibberish Generator... probably from iWor by vijayiyer · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's called "Lorem Ipsum" and is purposely gibberish. It's used by designers so that one focuses on layout rather than content.

  14. Har by pyth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The president's response at the time, to either style of report: "Oh, it's just some crazy named Bin Laden. As if terrorists could attack the USA."

    Have you already forgotten the mindset of the US government before the tower-plane collisions?

  15. I know why it was ignored. by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 5, Funny

    Presidential memos don't support the BLINK tag.

  16. Re:News for nerds? by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Funny

    I fail to see how this has anything to do with Slashdot.

    Obviously, it has everything to do with Slashdot! As you pointed out, the articles posted here aren't interesting, relevant, or timely, ergo geeks pay attention to Slashdot for the design and wise colour choice!

    That, or I'm smoking crack!

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  17. Hijacking to force release prisoner release? by CactusCritter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have read that government officials thought that Osama wanted to force prisoner release by commercial aircraft highjacking; perhaps of the mullah behind the original World Trade Center bombing.

    On the other hand, I was aware of a Norad exercise that was to address using hijacked planes as missiles. Right after the release of the 9/11 Commision Report, some bright, informed soul at the Arizona Republic ran a brief story about the planned Norad exercise which it turned out had never actually been carried out.

    If the Norad exercise had been carried out, the lines of authority that were completely lacking 9/11/2001 and caused so much confusion and wasted time would have been documented and perhaps thousands of lives could have been saved.

    I figure that if I, a retired citsen could have been aware of the concept of using high-jacked commercial aircraft as missiles, there was no excuse for high government officials to have been unaware of the concept.

    Lots of high-ranking heads spent too much time in posterior dark places.

  18. Re:Latin Jibberish Generator... probably from iWor by vijayiyer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Further information is available at http://www.lipsum.com/

  19. from the this-is-not-a-political-post dept. by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nor is it a Hardware post, despite showing up in that section. But that's ok, because the person who posted it isn't really an editor, either.

    Welcome to Slashdot!

  20. Re:News for nerds? by evanbd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    UI design is most definitely NfN. There are plenty of examples in engineering of bad UI design or information presentation costing lives; this is yet another. If you can't name at least 3 examples, then I truly hope you don't call yourself an engineer, computer programmer, or anything related.

  21. Re:News for nerds? by lunartik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proper design makes things useful and informative. Design permeates everything. Bad design can actually undermine or even negate the information being presented, as Edward Tufte and other have demonstrated.

    When dealing with the presentation of information, clear design is essential. Those who write software, and especially those who work with UIs should always be mindful of it.

    That said, this guy prettied up a document and filled it with gibberish. He has some interesting ideas and some solid concepts, but his demonstration of it is lacking. A control number because he thinks it looks cool, etc. He does not present a solid case for why the information in the original document would have been acted on had it been presented in his way. In fact, the issues surrounding this document go more to the nature of intelligence information and the ability to assess it than to the typeface that was used. I know some people think this memo is a smoking gun of incompetence, but hindsight makes everyone a genius.

    In any case see Tutfe's examination of the way in which engineers tried to convince NASA not to launch the Challenger for a better deconstruction of improperly formatted information leading to a catastrophe.

  22. Re:News for nerds? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I fail to see how this has anything to do with Slashdot."

    It's fashionable on Slashdot these days to criticize the US. I'd say more but I fear mod retaliation.

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  23. Re:Lorem Ipsum = danger? by serutan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fifteen minutes after this was posted, it was red-flagged by Carnivore. The President has approved $1 billion for a Lorem Ipsum task force. Monday morning Congress will pass the Lorem Ipsum Homeland Patriotism Act, which will impose a $100,000 fine and 10-year federal prison sentence for distribution or use of p2p software. Entertainment industry spokesmen hailed the new legislation as a step forward in the fight against terrorism.

  24. Re:News for nerds? by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's fashionable on Slashdot these days to criticize the US. I'd say more but I fear mod retaliation.

    Considering that a large portion, and probably the majority of Slashdotters are American, I wouldn't say it's a case of being fashionable. Instead, I'd argue it's a fight against fallacy and illogic. Much of the action of the US government is driven by fear, greed, and emotion, which runs counter to the typical geek way of analysing and responding to a situation. To us, the actions and methodologies of the US government are at best unreasonable and at worst insane. There is no fashion to flame the US here -- it's just the collective psyche of Slashdotters rejecting the counter-intuitive mannerisms of the powers that be.

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  25. Re:Something I've wondered by nacturation · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always wondered why the classified and confidential stuff is always in black and white - never in any other color.

    Because most photocopiers don't support color? When a document is redacted, the original is first photocopied, then a big black felt is used to redact the sensitive information, then it gets photocopied again before being distributed so that you can't see the original text under the ink. That's also why the declassified documents look so terrible -- the document that results after being degraded by multiple photocopies is the one which gets printed.

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  26. Typical designer megalomania by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the goddamn stupidest thing I have ever seen on Slashdot, and that's saying a lot. The idea that memo design led to the 9/11 attacks doesn't deserve a response, except for possibly making armpit noises. Designers are notorious for emphasizing form over content and overrating their minimal importance in the scheme of things, but for fuck's sake, it would be nice to believe -- all evidence to the contrary -- that the National Security Advisor and the President of the United States don't need spiffy document layouts to underscore the seriousness of international terrorist organizations flying jumbo jets into buildings.

    If it's clear, simple design that's at issue, why not just have a crude drawing of a 747 flying into the White House with a 24-point header reading LOOK OUT, GEORGE!

    Fuck. I'm going to have to wash my fucking brain after being around this much stupidity.

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  27. Ignore motives, blame format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This whole thing is a red herring. Read up on the PNAC and you'll learn that the Bush Administration is filled with people who have been DYING for a war of this kind you have with Iraq right now. Put aside your hatred of Michael Moore for a few minutes to figure out that OTHER PEOPLE have also shown links between the Bush's and the Bin Ladens and Saudi Royals, and you'll see why the Bush Administration wants to conveniently ignore those connections.

    It's all moot anyway. They wanted a war to legally embezzle $300 Billion from Americans in contracts, and wanted to fool everybody about it so they could get a second term in the white house. Mission Accomplished.

    It's now well-known that Hussein didn't have the weapons, was never a threat, and yet the war was started anyway. They've played it down pretending that they're learning about Hussein's lack of weapons at the same time we are, but that's not true. They knew it all along. Ask yourself about the sort of ethics somebody would need to have to do what they've done.

    Now ask yourself if those ethics are consistent with seeing a memo and disregarding it.

    Anybody who buys into the idea that the attacks were the result of poor design is a FOOL. The system may be imperfect, but it worked. The memo got to the top of the chain in time for Bush to do something about it. He did nothing.

  28. Death + destruction = politics by Morgaine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Americans, particularly their political leaders were less stupid, there would be fewer losses at WTC

    If political leaders everywhere including the wannabes were put in the fields to do hard labor, there would be no death and destruction in the world at all, except for natural causes.

    Sadly the plants would suffer.

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    "The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
  29. Re:News for nerds? by obender · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Considering that a large portion, and probably the majority of Slashdotters are American

    I know this is offtopic but does anyone have any statistics about the geographical location of Slashdotters?

  30. Design by rathehun · · Score: 2, Informative
    Now I don't expect everyone on /. to be stupid, but I don't expect them to be stupid in the extreme either.


    No where in TFA does it say that "Design could have prevented 9/11".


    Usability is something which can help. Think about hospital steps. If there is a ramp there, it helps people with wheelchairs get up there. Sure, ramps don't go around saving lives by throwing themselves over bombs or anything, but they do help by helping people use the facility.


    Now - look at the two different documents. What is lost by using the second one? All the information stays the same. What one does is to visually cue a person, providing easy ways to categorise the document without even reading it.


    You disagree?


    Try reading the same post as above, with a slight modification. Spacing doesn't save lives. Does it?


    NowIdon'texpecteveryoneon/.tobestupid,butIdon'te xp ectthemtobestupidintheextremeeither.Nowherein"Desi gncouldhaveprevented9/11".Usabilityissomethingwhic hcanhelp.Thinkabouthospitalsteps.Ifthereisarampthe re,ithelpspeoplewithwheelchairsgetupthere.Sure,ram psdon'tgoaroundsavinglivesbythrowingthemselvesover bombsoranything,buttheydohelpbyhelpingpeopleusethe facility.Now-lookatthetwodifferentdocuments.Whatis lostbyusingthesecondone?Alltheinformationstaysthes ame.Whatonedoesistovisuallycueaperson,providingeas ywaystocategorisethedocumentwithoutevenreadingit.

  31. Re:News for nerds? by hedge_death_shootout · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is an article about a computer nerd (okay web designer or something, but still) who thinks his particular not-that-important skills hold the key to saving the world.
    Thus, it's supremely relevant to slashdot, where a large proportion of the readership share this delusion.

  32. Re:News for nerds? by IvyMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I fail to see how this has anything to do with Slashdot."

    It's fashionable on Slashdot these days to criticize the US.

    I don't understand this response at all. The original article examined a process, saw something that was suboptimal, and suggested an improvement. And that's considered criticizing the US?

    If we've reached the point where we are unable to improve our internal processes because doing so would admit an imperfection, then we are truly fucked.

  33. Tufte, anyone? by shpoffo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It sounds like he's trying to one-up Edward Tufte, who had published a well-read report on the slide presentation that led to the Columbia Disaster. I guess we could use a few more such public analyses before people will begin to realize the reach of what falls under "Interface Design" and how critical it is our functioning in the complex system we've created.

    THE INTERFACE IS THE INFORMATION. If you don't have an interface, you don't have any information. Period.

    Incidentally, I can think of a few reasons not to implement some of the changes that Storey suggests:
    - Bolded and highlighted text may draw the eye toward material that was incorrectly analyzed; or the burdern of analysis may fall upon the reader of that (original) memo.
    - The threat level may not be something that is established, but rather something that is established through decisions that come from this document

    Whether these kinds of metrics are appropriate in the case of the President is unknown to me. My main here is to illustrate that Storey's ideas, though thoughtful, are perhaps a bit sensational.
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  34. Re:Can someone please explain... by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Interesting

    erm... if that were all it was... just a conspiracy thoery... then it would be easy to dispell just by releasing the footage from all the surveillance cameras that was seized shortly after the event... after all, if there was nothing to it, then the camera footage would show a 757 hoot footing it on a collision course with the Pentagon... but then again, the conspiracy theorists would be claiming that the authorities had had plenty of time by now to doctor the footage...

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  35. Re:Yeah, right...... by Boronx · · Score: 2, Funny

    We were thinking we were scared of the terrorists and gays, so we re-elected a corrupt closeted dimwit who didn't stop the terrorists the last time and decided the best way to stop the terrorists this time is to invade a non-terrorist country and turn them all in to terrorists.

    So to answer your question, I don't know what we were thinking.

  36. We knew since 1995 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My question is this: Some rich, powerful members of the Saud and bin Laden family, some Saudi agents, and some Pakistani agents must have had wind of the attack, and yet they feared the wrath of America so little that they never tried to stop it or tip off American intelligence. Why is that?

    Part of Operation Bojinka involved a similar attack in the US:

    A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack [the] said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

    There were plenty of warnings during the Bush and Clinton administrations. The warnings were not really ignored either. The FAA would issue warnings and airports would go to a heightened state of alert. (This happened during the summer of 2001, but the heightened state of alert was over before September.)

    The problem is that there was no support for anything that would actually make a difference.

    e.g., drastically tougher screenings, attacking Afghanistan, rounding up people with expired or suspicious visas, FBI investigations into foreign students in US flight schools...

    Politically, there was no way Clinton or Bush would have gone for any of those things. Clinton already caught enough shit from the Republicans + left-wingers after his cruise missile attack on a terrorist training camp.

  37. Re:News for nerds? by aixou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ridiculous bias is one of the things I can't stand about Slashdot, and it is perpetuated by the [meta]moderation system. It's not that there aren't valid points among the anti-American sentiment, it's that the counter-points which are often equally valid and often more cogent get moderated into oblivion.

    Slashdot is NOT the place for any politically heated talk because it does not provide a proper forum for discussion. If you read over a thread after the dust has settled, all you see is the groupthink modded up, and anything opposing groupthink modded down to -1. It's interesting when you think about it: there is a form of mass censorship on Slashdot, in which people who speak out against the groupthink are silenced (in that they are modded down), and those who tote the party line cruise high at +5. The ironic part is that these heated discussions often center around complaints about the same sort of censorship by the government. Double-standards and hypocrisy abound.

  38. So what you mean to say is.. by AkaXakA · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is no spoon?

    PS. Also not that this redesign is A YEAR old.

  39. Rehash of Edward R. Tufte's challeneger work? by fatfarm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Years ago Edward R. Tufte said the same thing about the space shuttle challenger failure. Tufte's big thing is clarity in visual representations of data and he spends more than a dozen pages in "Visual Explanations" ripping on the failure of the engineers to communicate in 13 faxed documents the evidence they had that launching in the cold temperatures forecast for the next day would likely result in failure of the rubber o-rings. Sounds very familiar.

  40. Re:Improve the design of EVERY intelligence brief by Koushiro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You miss the significance of the redesign: in the original memo, it is difficult to tell at a glance what the key details; of course, the title summarizes these, but only roughly. These design flaws are reduced (if not removed) by the revised design.

    Of course, we can't tell which memo will be important, and as a result we don't know which data should be paid attention to. The reason? Because the current design is inefficient, it is more difficult to spot and correlate trends and patterns. With this proposed design, it is easier to highlight potential threats, simply because its design is both clear and simple.

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  41. Re:News for nerds? by jschrod · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I have mod points, and instead of modding you flamebait (which your post is, IMNSHO), I react.

    You are wrong that only groupthink posts get +5 moderation. Wait half a day, and read at +5. Then you'll see a balanced reaction at most articles, with many critical posts modded up. Bad mods most often happen at the start of a comment phase; in the end most get quite OK.

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  42. Re:Same Clarke who attacked Bush in 2004? by Boronx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or would this be the same Richard Clarke who permitted Bin Laden family members to leave the US after 9/11?

    He approved the request, but who made it? Clarke has come clean, why did the rest of the administration cover it up?

    Would this be the same Richard Clarke who was head of US counterterrorism for eight years under Bill Clinton

    Yes, and you left out the foiled Millenium bombings. I'm not a big fan of Clarke's, but he's been right about the threat posed from bin Laden for a long time now.

    Or the same Richard Clarke who blamed Bill Clinton for not destroying terrorist training camps after the USS Cole bombing?

    Do you think Clarke was wrong here?

    If Clarke is right about anything, it's only because he's like a stopped clock.

    He seems to be a lot better bet than either Clinton or Bush when it comes to assessing terrorist threats, don't you agree?

  43. President only? by mindstormpt · · Score: 2, Funny

    No matter how you present it, he won't know how to read it anyway, so what's the point? If you really really but really want him to do it, you can try turning it upside down and placing it inside "My Pet Goat", but results are not guaranteed.

  44. Yes we did by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But who would have known at the time he would turn on us? ( other then him )

    Sometimes you have to take risks to get things done.. Sometimes you win, other times you loose.

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  45. Revisionism by pudge · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is nice revisionism and all, but there is no evidence that the memo in question was "ignored." The 9/11 Commission notes quite plainly on page 342 that:
    Despite such reports and a 1999 paper on Bin Ladin's command structure for al Qaeda,there were no complete portraits of his strategy or of the extent of his organization's involvement in past terrorist attacks.Nor had the intelligence community provided an authoritative depiction of his organization's relationships with other governments,or the scale of the threat his organization posed to the United States.

    Further:
    Whatever the weaknesses in the CIA's portraiture,both Presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush and their top advisers told us they got the picture--they understood Bin Ladin was a danger.But given the character and pace of their policy efforts,we do not believe they fully understood just how many people al Qaeda might kill,and how soon it might do it.At some level that is hard to define,we believe the threat had not yet become compelling.

    In other words, it's not that they didn't realize what the memos said, but at the time, the memos did not amount to compelling evidence of the threat we now know was coming.

    Now, you can feel free to disagree with the 9/11 Commission. But to say as a statement of fact that it was ignored is, well, ignoring the evidence (and inventing new evidence).
  46. Am I missing something? by tqbf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tufte's well-known critique of the Columbia presentation, and his famous critique of the Challenger data, centered on the use of visual evidence (idiotic charts, statistically incompetant graphs) and, in the former case, on the manner in which the medium (PowerPoint) butchered the message by making chopping it up into incomprehensible hamster pellets of information.

    The author here seems to be making the case that ugly typeface and a poor use of color are to blame; that if we just added a few horizontal rules, maybe put the PDB on nice stationary, it would have been more effective.

    When facing a dearth of actionable, analyzable data (like a chart with 4 data points), Tufte is likely as not to advocate doing exactly what the original PDB did, which is to stuff it into prose paragraphs.

    Tufte's design criticism work is serious, if perhaps overrated. This new one is just an advertisement for a web designer.

  47. Same old crooks? by hawk · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hillary is pulling Jeb's strings???

    :)

    hawk

  48. Here is the true and unredacted text by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2, Funny
    You guys are all wrong. Here is the actual, still secret document read by the President:

    Osama Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US

    Osama bin Laden is a bad man with a rifle and a beard. Osama is not America's friend. Osama and his friends are bad men that want to hurt America.

    Osama and his friend are saying bad things. They are saying very bad things. The things Osama and his friends are saying are bad, very bad.

    Osama is trying to send bad people with bombs to America. He and his bad friends want to make the bombs explode near Americans, so that the bombs will hurt or kill Americans.

    These are bad things to do. Somebody must stop them. The President of the United States of America may need to send people to stop Osama and his bad friends.

    Americans will be happy when they find that Osama and his bad friends have been stopped. They would be very angry and very sad if Osama and his bad friends send bombs to America and explode them near Americans to hurt or kill them.

    Some of Osama's bad friends say they will get on airplanes full of people in the United States and crash them into tall buildings. If this happens the people in the planes and in the buildings may be hurt or killed. The buildings may be damaged, or may even fall down. Big buildings like these are very expensive, and are often poorly insured. This would be very, very bad.

    The President should probably give orders to people to make sure these things do not happen, for they are bad things. It may be worth doing things to avoid having Osama and his bad friends attack us in those bad ways. Even if many people have to do extra work, they might need to be asked to do this extra work.

    In conclusion:

    • Osama and his bad friends are saying they will send people with bombs to America.
    • They plan on exploding the bombs near Americans to hurt or kill them.
    • They are also saying that they will crash airplanes into buildings in America. This would hurt or kill many people, and might damage the buildings or make them fall down.
    • The President should think about ordering some of his police and soldiers to stop Osama and his bad friends.
    • If Osama and his friends do these bad things, Americans will be very angry and very sad.

    If the President takes too long to stop them, and Osama and his bad friends do these evil and terrible things, the President may need to send soldiers, spies, and airplanes to attack Osama and his friends. This may cause oil prices to go up, way up. The President may need to spend a lot of extra money on soldiers, airplanes, bombs and other war supplies. A lot more.

    The people who buy and sell oil, or make, buy, or sell war supplies may need to make extra profits for a little while, but that is a sacrifice Americans will be glad to make in order to stop Osama and his bad friends. They will be even more glad, if other bad men in the general area where Osama and his bad friends are can also be attacked. At least one additional bad man should be found there and attacked, so that Americans can be even more glad. This will require even more profits for the oil and war supplies men, but they are good American Patriots, and Americans will be pleased to make even more sacrifices like that in order to attack the bad men.

    Many American soldiers, spies, police, and firemen will be hurt or killed. Many others will also be hurt or killed by Osama and his bad friends, as well as by our spies and soldiers as they try to kill the bad men. These are also sacrifices Americans will be happy to make in order to attack the bad men.

    If Americans are glad enough, they will reward the President and vote for him again, so that he will be President one more time. Americans will be gladdest when there is most excitement about the great deeds being done by their President.

    This is the end of this very important warning about Osama and his bad friends. The President should think about all of words and ideas in it. He should think very carefully. He should decide very carefully. The President should think about what needs to be done, and then do it. Sometimes the obvious thing to do is not the best thing. Sometimes another thing might be better, in the end.