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Lenovo Completes Acquisition Of IBM's PC Division
karvind writes "Chinese computer maker Lenovo has completed its $1.75 billion purchase of IBM's personal computer division, creating the world's third-largest PC maker. Under the deal, IBM takes an 18.9 percent stake in Lenovo. Lenovo paid $1.25 billion for the IBM PC unit and assumed debt, which brought the total cost to $1.75 billion. Slashdot timeline: Dec 3, 2004: IBM Puts PC Business Up for Sale, Dec 4, 2004: Chinese PC Maker Looks to Buy IBM's PC Business, and Mar 9, 2005: U.S. Approves IBM/Lenovo Sale"
IBM leaving the PC business seems sad, and I hope the fact they still have a big stake in the PowerPC and Workstation markets means they'll re-enter, this time with something a little more interesting. That said, it's important not to overstate this: IBM has never been a commodity player, and the PC business is a commodity market. That's why they're getting out. The chances of a populist computer coming out of IBM soon isn't that likely. It's like Anakin Skywalker being thrown into the lava and left there by Obi Wan Kenobe in the climactic scene of the new Star Wars movie, explaining why he has to wear the protective suit in his guise as Darth Vader and why he's all hairless and damaged in Return of the Jedi. Just like in that movie, it may explain things in the future of IBM (albeit things we're not aware of yet, whereas we've all seen A New Hope) and is a dramatic change. Hopefully though IBM's not "going to the dark side"!
But it is sad. In many ways, I feel that when it came to IBM and its influence over the last few years, she blinded me with science.
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how long before we see lonovo machines at Best Buy?
Honestly, I don't think this matters much. Thinkpads are about the only IBM PCs I've ever seen used in the past 10 years. We had an old IBM PC back in High School that was donated because it simply didn't hold up. We ended up trashing it because it kept eating video cards like they were candy, and the computer lab didn't have many to spare for it. It did resist that sledgehammer well, but that doesn't have much to do with the computer itself.
So in the end, this really doesn't effect anyone I know of unless you really want a Thinkpad...
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It figures the only laptop I will even consider since they hooked me on the little pointer nub is a Thinkpad. A lot of business users rely on TP's too, and now with this Lenovo aquisition what lays ahead for the beloved Thinkpad?
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Here's a case in which the standard question "but does it run Linux?" is actually relevant. China getting into the PC business in a big way could have an impact on the availability of machines on which one doesn't have to pay the Microsoft tax. With China explicitly interested in independence from Microsoft, it seems likely that they won't play ball with Microsoft and will offer machines with no OS or with Linux pre-installed.
With the powerpc, the cel processor maybe IBM ditched the old pc to begin something new? Maybe not. However I could see somekind of wirless set top box that records (DVR) has basic Web/Email/Office capabilities and has wirless KB and Mouse. Others have tried it, but maybe it's time has come?
BTW whatever happened to CHRP and the promised PowerPC MB's we hobbyists could buy and build our own system from?
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One thing I noticed with the acquisition is that some of the discounts that were available previously are not there any more. Realtors were able to get a pretty good discount (20% or so) on Thinkpads, but when you go to the link from the Realtor partner site, there are no thinkpads with discounts listed anymore. I wonder if they are doing away with these discounts? What about the good discounts that IBM employees get for their family and friends...I'd really hate to have to pay retail for a thinkpad.
. . . No windows key. I didn't like it at first but then I realized, it is a neutral pc. It doesn't have an ms advertisement on the keyboard. I hope that doesn't change.
I recently saw a pretty decent deal on a Dell PC and called to ask if they would sell it with Linux pre-installed. No. Well, how about with no OS? Sir, you can reformat the hard drive when you get it and. . . OK, forget it. I was then quite stunned when I called about an IBM PC and even THEY(one of the biggest corporate backers of Linux) wouldn't sell a PC with Linux pre-installed . . . or even a box without Windows. ??? How is Linux supposed to catch on and put a dent in the MS monopoly when the major vendors won't sell Linux boxes and force you to buy a Windows OEM license regardless?
I wish to preempt foolish comments that quality will now deteriorate into the crapper:
ThinkPads have been manufactured in China for some time now while maintaining high quality.
Please stop the unfounded China bashing: the country's industries have been quickly becoming very competent at high quality production as well as churning out $2 Wal Mart items.
it seems likely that they won't play ball with Microsoft and will offer machines with no OS or with Linux pre-installed.
Yah, you get Red Flag installed for free, and a BIOS to protect the user from any OS not approved by the Party. Can't wait, comrade.
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Do they get all the x86 servers as well as workstations and thinkpads?
Just wondering.
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I just spent 2 hours on the phone yesterday with customer service and ended up angry both at the lack of any resolution to my problem and the complete and utter waste of an hour and a half.
According to one of the 6 people I talked to during my wonderful adventure, yesterday was the day on which Lenovo took over customer supoort in form, if not in practice. The call (4 calls in truth) I made was still routed to IBM's call center in Atlanta, but my problem was given a Lenovo tracking number. Also, new procedures of a nebulous sort had just been put in effect. While no one I talked to was willing to admit any substantive change, it became clear to me during the course of the 2 hours that something had changed.
To be fair, this is a bit of a rant. My computer, a thinkpad T40, lost the ability to display useful images at about 9 am yesterday, and instead award me with a rainbow of vertical strips immediately upon power on. As it turns out, I needed to have the system board replaced as the graphics chip had stopped working. I am a student and finals are several days away and I needed my laptop in order to take one of the finals so I was distressed.
I called IBM at 1800IBMSERV and my fears were quelled immediately when I was told that I would simply need to upgrade my existing "depot" (send-it-in) warranty to a "on-site" (they come and fix it) warranty. The cost was 120 (later, when I paid it was dropped to 98) and it was worth it to me to have a computer in time for my final. So I was transferred to sales where I had to explain everything again, I paid for the upgrade and was told to call 1800IBMSERV again to schedule my maitenance for the next day. The sales person told me that because I wanted immediate service I would have to talk to "endowment" (an ethereal branch of the IBM hierarchy that turned out to be the devil incarnate) and explain my situation but that it would not be a problem. I called back, waited on hold for not too long (5 minutes) and then explained my situation yet again. After spending 10 minutes explaining everything, I was transferred to the mysterious "endowment" department. I explained everything once again and at that point the entire experience disintegrated. I was told that I, in fact, would have to wait for up to 3 days for my warranty upgrade to "invoice" and then anohter 5 days for that upgrade to be applied to my computer.
At first I couldn't believe this. I had been told that I could get service the next day by two people. I had purchased the upgrade on that understanding. I insisted to this "endowment" demon that she must be mistaken. After quite a bit of insistence on my part, she told me that I might be able to get this to work if I called back sales and got the "information (unspecified)" she needed to put this directly through.
So I called sales, waited on hold for about 40 minutes with a woman's voice repeating every minute or so "please be stay on the line and your call will be answered shortly." That phrase repeated so often was the worst part of the whole experience.
I finally got a salesman, he told me that the voice on high of endowment was correct and that I was simply out of luck (read - had been misinformed for 1.5 hours). I asked if this was due to the changeover to Lenovo, and he said no. Later, after a bit of "discussion," he mentioned that under the old policies this could have been fasttracked, but under the new, I was out of luck. This chnage seems to have just happened to coincide with the changeover.
Now, perhaps all of this is just a kink that will be worked out. I have loved my thinkpad, and I have loved the alacrity at which IBM service has always leaped to help. At the moment, I am deeply disheartened and fear for the future.
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1984: apple puts out 1984 commercial decrying IBM as Orwellian PC maker stifling industry.
2005: IBM NO LONGER MAKES IBM compatible personal computers... They now they make Apple Power Macintosh and iMac computers.
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