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Printing (Big) Manuals?

Detritus writes "Many companies have stopped providing hardcopy manuals with their products, electing instead to deliver the manuals in the form of PDF files. This becomes a problem when you have an 800 page reference manual and you need a usable hardcopy that is double-side printed and bound. What is the most cost-effective way of turning a PDF file into a bound document? Cheap ink-jet printers are not designed to do this task at a reasonable speed and cost."

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  1. Work? by Jhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you are lucky and have access to a decent laser printer at work (like a Canon Imagerunner), take there and print it out. Usually employers are reasonable about such requests. Particularly if you provide your own paper. If they'll let you print at all, they will certainly eat the toner cost for you as well.

    We have several students working at our lab and the frequently print out materials for school. Then again, maybe our employer is just 'cool' about such things.

    About your only other 'cheap' option is to just focus on the sections you need and print THOSE out.

    Outside of that, take it to a printer (kinko's or something) and pay the cost to have it printed and bound (or at least hole-punched). If you NEED it enough, you'll PAY for it if you have no other alternative. Otherwise, your need just isn't that great.

    1. Re:Work? by dougmc · · Score: 2, Funny
      Right, just as cheap IDE drives aren't designed to serve the Enterprise.
      Cheap IDE drives serve the `Enterprise' (I assume we're talking about a business, not a naval ship, space shuttle or star ship, even though you've capitialized it like it's a proper name) far better than cheap ink jets do. When you work out the per-page cost, low-end ink jets are *expensive*, mostly due to the ink which costs thousands of dollars per ounce when you do the math.

      Even the cheap modern IDE drives are pretty good. SCSI (and maybe fiber channel, though I have no experience with FC) is still king, but even the consumer grade IDE drives can generally handle a good database pounding.

      I'd go all SCSI, but IDE is almost an order of magnitude cheaper now, so in many cases it makes good sense to just do RAID-1 with IDE, even in the `enterprise'.

  2. laserprinters are way cheap now by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Samsung makes a very nice 1200dpi printer with PostScript, ethernet, and duplex printing, that's available online for around $500. Many people are opting for Samsung laserprinters these days over HP and Brother. We have one at work, and it's really nice, plus the Linux support is appreciated.

    1. Re:laserprinters are way cheap now by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative
      A better option is to buy a refurbished laserjet 2100. I got one with a refilled toner cart and a 90 day warranty for $162.50 shipped. I then spent a further $85 or so getting a 10/100MBPS EIO card (J3113A) for it. The printer will do some kind of fancy print mode at 600 dpi where it varies the size of toner dots, and will print 300 or 1200 dpi as well. It is designed to print 20,000 pages a month.

      For still more money, you can get duplex, a second tray, et cetera. I intend to purchase the postscript simm (about $30) which doubles the memory to only 8MB (sufficient for manuals, though) and provides PS level 2 emulation, to augment the PCL 5 that the printer normally speaks.

      The laserjet 2100 is one of HP's finest black and white laser printers, and you can trivially find one with ethernet, or buy one and an ethernet EIO print server, for less than $300. They are not the fastest printers around but my 2100 will probably still be working when the last 1320 has failed :P

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    2. Re:laserprinters are way cheap now by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note: some very specialized printers are designed to allow page-flipping; so make sure that the printer documentation explicitly states so.

      Read "some very specialized printers" as "almost any laser printer sold in the last ten years."

      To be blunt, the way to tell if your manufacturer supports it is to ask them. Some very cheap, commercial-quality printers do this just fine. (The $150 Brother HL-1440 I use not only doesn't have a problem, but includeds a duplex printing mode in its drivers.)

      Oh, and it's not @#$!ing "ink". It's "toner." Ink is a liquid, that, in "inkjets", permeates quite a bit deeper into the paper than tonor-flakes.

    3. Re:laserprinters are way cheap now by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bullocks. Most modern laser printers have duplexers as OPTIONS. Guess what they do: flip the paper over and run it through again. I've never seen a laser printer that has had problems with 2 sided (manual) printing - even printers almost 20 years ago. This includes xerox, lexmark, HP, brother, samsung, cannon, Oki, and others.

      If you actually came across a printer that has this horrible design defect, please let us all know so we can avoid that brand / model.

    4. Re:laserprinters are way cheap now by arb · · Score: 2, Informative

      ** DANGER ** DANGER ** WILL ROBINSON ** Do NOT re-feed laser-printed pages in a laser printer, especially if you flip them over.

      Rubbish!

      As others have pointed out already, many of today's laser printers are designed to be used with duplex units. There is no problem with printing on the reverse side of an already laser-printed sheet. It's even quite feasible to over-print laser-printed forms.

      What you shouldn't do is over-print onto photocopied forms. That's where you can cause some problems with the toner being "melted" off the paper. Laser printers fuse their toner at a higher temperature than most photocopiers, so the printer will melt the photocopier's toner. Fixing this problem merely entails printing a half dozen or so sheets though, as by then the bulk of the toner will have been refused onto the sheets (which will be "stained" as you point out.) Not an overly expensive fix, but a PITA.

      So some handy hints:

      1) Printing on both sides of your paper is quite safe and environmentally friendly.
      2) Don't over-print onto photocopied sheets or print on the back of photocopied sheets.
      3) Use a good quality toner - some cheap recycled cartridges may cause issues with re-feeding sheets, but generally are fine.
      4) If you do have a problem with the toner from a previous print job causing streaking on following sheets, just print a few test pages until the streaking goes away - shouldn't take more than a few sheets. You don't need to replace the whole fuser unit.

  3. notebook/tablet by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, someone needs to call these companies and scream at them until they stop using PDF. If they never intended to print it, there's no point to PDF for a manual. HTML is just fine, and most browsers (including Mozilla) are more lightweight than the official Acrobat Reader.

    Second, if you need to read any sort of electronic document, why not read it electronically? I mean, paper is nice because you can use it even when your computer breaks. Any other reason you want paper? Because you can probably get a decent notebook/tablet pc for less the cost of the equipment to print an 800-page book cheaply, and that way, the text is searchable -- no more thumbing through indexes.

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    1. Re:notebook/tablet by Improv · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can understand that ggv has some possibly tricky dependencies, but xpdf is pretty easy to compile on any Unix. I've compiled it on a number of oddball unices without problem.

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    2. Re:notebook/tablet by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Informative
      First of all, someone needs to call these companies and scream at them until they stop using PDF. If they never intended to print it, there's no point to PDF for a manual. HTML is just fine, and most browsers (including Mozilla) are more lightweight than the official Acrobat Reader.

      Perhaps they never intend on printing it, but they know many end users will want to, and honestly, HTML is not "just fine" to many people (like me) who appreciate the formatting of the PDF documentation, not the least of which is not having tables and images cut in two (and many other formatting issues)...

      Second, if you need to read any sort of electronic document, why not read it electronically?

      Because for many people, searching and cross referencing data are much more efficiant with hard copy. Many people like having a manual open next to them when they work, and do not like having to flip back and forth to some electronic document.

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  4. PrintFu by rebug · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds like PrintFu is what you're after.

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  5. Multi-up by redelm · · Score: 3, Informative
    Usually when I have this task, it's for work and I have access to a double sided laser printer. Then I use the printer driver features to print two or four pages per side of 8.5x11" floppy.

    Most large doc are laid-out for printing on smaller paper and are actually oversized on A4/8.5x11. This is only good if you have reduced visual acuity. I don't, and usually go for the 4x to save paper and page flipping.

  6. Drive around... by Jarn_Firebrand · · Score: 2, Funny

    until you find a company that works with printers. Sneak in, act like an employee, and tell them you're "testing" the printers... then print what you need and get out of there quickly!

  7. Cafe Press? by cei · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/learn_book.a spx does mass printing of PDF files, double-sized, bound. Sure, it costs a little bit, but probably less than trying to pull it off yourself.

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  8. "Fineprint" for windows by ru-486 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An excellent program if you're into printing manuals yourself is http://www.fineprint.com/products/fineprint/index. html It is a virtual printer that allows some cool options. My favorite being the ability to fit multiple pages onto a sheet thereby saving time, ink and paper. Here's a list of the feature from the website: Print Preview: Universal print preview with editing capability. Easily add blank pages, delete pages, and re-sequence jobs. Ink Saver: Provides options to convert colored text to black and skip graphics. Multiple Pages on a single sheet: Print 2, 4 or 8 pages on a single sheet of paper. Watermarks Headers and Footers: Watermark, header and footer option allows documents to be marked with the date, time, system variables or custom text. Forms and Letterheads: Allows the simplified creation of electronic forms and letterhead. The preview feature shows how output will appear before you print it to ensure correct alignment. Combine Print Jobs: Allows multiple documents to be combined together as a single print job. This is useful for creating booklets based on web pages, etc. File saving: Save pages and jobs to TIFF, JPEG, BMP, text and FP formats. Clipboard Support: Any printed output can be copied to the clipboard in text, bitmap or Double Sided Printing Support: Booklet making and double sided printing are supported with all documents and printers. Booklets create a professional touch to all documents and are easy to read and carry. Double sided printing cuts paper use in half and reduces travel weight. Paper Scaling: Allows large pages to be scaled to that they fit on standard paper sizes such as letter or A4. Adjustable Margins: Margin adjustment allows for increased text sizes for better readability, by using more of the printable area on the page. Gutter Support: Gutter capability provides space for binding documents. Multiple FinePrinters: Multiple FinePrinters can be created. This allows the creation of "virtual printers" that have different pre-defined settings. For example, you could have a "booklet printer" that automatically prints a booklet or a "letterhead printer" that prints on your letterhead without the FinePrint dialog box appearing. Easy server deployment: Install on a server as a shared printer for easy group or enterprise deployment.

  9. Outscource the job to Kinko's by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was just looking at a very similar problem:

    • Manual of about 300 pages in .pdf format
    • want double sided
    • want binding that can be used effectively (stay open at desired page)
    • want some durability-- I figure about a year before updates or errata make this obsolete

    The Kinko's in SE Portland quotes me about $25 for a single copy, double side printing, comb bound with vinyl cover. Add $1 to do spiral bound. There would be a discount for multiple copies-- and at this price doing a copy for each of us, and a couple of spares for the Jolt spills, might be a good idea.

    No way I could do this "in house" for such a low cost.

  10. Geek-friendly 3 ring binders! by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since printing them out is the question here, there are two possible solutions: Send the print job to your high-speed/high-capacity copier, or go to Kinko's and do the same. Results in nifty geek-friendly 3 ring binders! Most of my home library of docs where made in this way!

    I know, all the anti "dead tree" folks are going to come out of the woodwork, but MANY people still prefer to have a tech manual open next to them when they work, rather than flipping back and forth to some electronic document, searching for some information. For many people, the mind can often search, cross-reference, and make sense of data in hard copy MUCH faster than cumbersome electronic documentation.

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  11. Evil Hard Copy by fm6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Imagerunner is a pretty fancy printer, judging from its web site. I 've never used it, but if its like other color laser printers, it'll cost 10 to 15 cents a page just for expendables. And a lot of companies don't buy their high-end printers, they lease them with a by-the-page charge of 25 to 30 cents. Better ask yourself whether you want to spend $200 plus binding costs just to have the manual in hard copy.

    It's probably a good option to print the manual on a monochrome printer. The kind of graphics you see in most software manuals don't really suffer from being reduced to grayscale. Still pretty expensive, though.

    It's very sad that programmers still feel the need to have hardcopy manuals, even as producing them becomes less and less practical. (Not just cost -- there's the difficulty of publishing and distributing physical documentation for rapidly-changing products.) For that, I have to apologize on behalf of my profession, Technical Writing, which has done a really lousing job of keeping up with the state of the art. We're still not good at creating the kind of well-structured electronic documents that make hard copy unnecessary. Even though most of our work never sees hardcopy, we're still horribly bound to desktop publishing models. We should delivering easy-to-use web sites and help files; instead we deliver stupid PDF files that are just huge page dumps. We don't even exploit the PDF format as much as we should -- it's a horribly obsolete format, but it does support some basic hypertext concepts that would be very helpful, if more people bothered to use them.

    Then again, it's not all our fault. As I said, most techwriters are way behind the times in content management technology. But they only get away with it because documentation isn't a big priority. People in the software industry underestimate its importance and are unwilling to spend a lot of money on it. The don't grasp the skill it takes to do the job right, or the technical difficulties involved in creating and maintaining huge masses of documentation. Hint: it's not a lot easier than maintaining equivalent amounts of source code.

    When I say "people in the software industry" I guess I mostly mean "developers". Whose perception drive a lot of decision making. Mangement often is dominated by former developers, and even when it isn't their decisions are colored by the code-hacker's view of reality. So maybe it is your guys' fault after all.

    1. Re:Evil Hard Copy by Kymermosst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's very sad that programmers still feel the need to have hardcopy manuals, even as producing them becomes less and less practical. (Not just cost -- there's the difficulty of publishing and distributing physical documentation for rapidly-changing products.)

      I hate online/on-screen documentation. It's a pain in the ass. Especially when you've only got *one* machine to both work with the program and read the documentation.

      Or, perhaps the documentation you need is the service manual for your only (broken) machine that can read the documentation.

      Dead trees are just flat out easier to use. For example, when I am working at a computer, say fixing someone else's code, and I need API documentation.

      If I'm using online documentation, I have to dink around with the mouse (on-screen documentation is just about worthless to use with a keyboard... the one exception: Unix man). So, I take the mouse, click the button that brings up the documentation, then I have to scroll through and find what I'm looking for. Then I click again, and scroll. Click and scroll... blah. Then, once I have what I am looking for, I click back to the code and start to do what I need to do. Now, I can't memorize the specifics of a complex API call that fast, so I have to click back to the documentation... then back to the code, work... back to the documentation... back to the code, work. Then, if I think I need this again, I save it as a "bookmark"... accessing this bookmark takes longer than my tape flags on a real book.

      The same situation using a real book? I use the index. This is fast. I see all the applicable pages at one time, and can make an easy guess at the correct one if the pages are numbered by chapter-page. I turn to this page in the book. I return to my code and read the documentation as needed, maybe turning a page on the book. The code stays on the screen the entire time, and for complicated stuff, I can do a side-by-side comparison without having to juggle windows around. If I might need it again, it gets a color-coded tape flag with a note on what code it applies to written on it.

      We should delivering easy-to-use web sites and help files; instead we deliver stupid PDF files that are just huge page dumps.

      Web site based documentation... seems like a good idea until you are working somewhere that doesn't have internet access. Like, say, the documentation you need is for the router that's going nuts.

      "Help files" and "easy to use" rarely appear in a sentence where "are never" isn't what's in between.

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    2. Re:Evil Hard Copy by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't deny that online copy is hard to use. My point was simply that it doesn't have to be as hard as it is.

      You mention the difficulty of browsing online manuals when you've only got one monitor. True -- but look back at the costs I estimated in my previous post. A single 800-page manual can cost you enough money to upgrade to a dual-head display!

    3. Re:Evil Hard Copy by bluephone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a horrible idea, the KVM switch for this need. The issue with having ONE machine to both read docs and code is you generally have one display. Your solution brings in a second machine jsut to load the docs, but you're still uysing one display. A much better solution would be to buy a second display and run dual headed. Not only do you get to lookt at docs on one screen and the app on the other, you productivity with other apps goes through the roof. When one of mine died, going back to one display was painful.

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    4. Re:Evil Hard Copy by pbox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or if you don't want an extra pain in your putt (aka KVM) just get an extra monitor. If your video card does not support multi-head, just get a new video card as well. All new boxen can handle any number of video cards. You can always get PCI if your AGP/PCI-Express is taken. You can get a decent 1024x768 15 or 17" monitor for 150-200 new and an older used video card for 20-30. That is less than the printing cost!

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  12. Print multiple pages on each sheet by Rayder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I usually use the "print multiple pages" filter on kprinter just to get 2 pages on each face of the sheet, so I get 4 pages printed with each sheet, this way is much easier to carry.

    The size letter is normally enough to read it without problems, my Kyocera (damm cheap, 40€, if you buy a used one) does a good work even with small typefaces.

    When the number of pages are less than 80, I use the pamphlet filter, I still get the 4 pages for sheet but you can fold it by half, put a pair of staples and you get a nice booklet to read.

    This small script accepts a .ps file and gives you 2 files to print, one for each side of the sheets, so you can easily have the pamphlet.

    #! /bin/sh
    psbook "$1" | psnup -2 -pa4 | psselect -e > "A.$1"
    psbook "$1" | psnup -2 -pa4 | psselect -o > "B.$1"

  13. Before you take a pdf to Kinkos... by horati0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most commercial software manuals, pdf or otherwise, specify in the copyright section that reproduction of the manual requires the company's consent before doing so. Not thinking this was actually enforced, I took a CD with a 1000+ page pdf manual for Steinberg Cubase to be printed, only to be told that they couldn't print it due to the copyright restriction.

    The solution was simple enough, I emailed Steinberg asking permission to print it for personal use only, yadda yadda, and they replied (rather quickly, surprisingly) and said it was ok. Took a printout of the email to Kinkos and they happily printed the manual for me.

    I realize I could have easily forged the email from Steinberg, but I considered the possibility, however unlikely, that Mr Steinberg would find out and make an example out of me via a hearty copyright lawsuit, thus ending my home recording career even before it started.

    Not that I have anything against Germans.

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  14. Re:One word: Kinko's by FidelCatsro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course if your talking a large manual which can run into the hundreds of pages (i have seen them at 800 or more) you could be talking about as much as 5.00+( 0.08*800.00)=69 USD (chuckle). I also assume that this would not be a one off so over the course of a year you could be talking several hundread Cold green.
    Even for a slim 150 page manual your talking 17 USD . For those types of prices you cant get some nice reference books.

    My soloution (which i use myself and which i stated in an earlyer post) was to get an older laptop with a nice screen to use as a glorified book reader.
    I paid 200 for a P3-600mhz with 256MB ram(a really good price at the time, so perhaps it will cost you a little more. Though a 600mhz p3 is overkill for just a pdf reader, but i use it for other things aswell) with a nice 15" screen . It has served me well and works great as a glorified book reader.

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  15. Why paper? Because it won't kill my eyes by NanoGriever · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Any other reason you want paper?
    Here's a good reason: reading stuff on paper is easier on my eyes. It is bad enough staring at the screen for long hours coding and doing other things. Whenever possible I would rather read the manuals on paper just to give my eyes some rest.
  16. Re:One word: Kinko's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    You seem pretty familar with the capitalist calculations of price and volume, Castro . Didn't you really mean to say "The state saw fit to provide me for my needs a P3-600mhz with 256 ram" ? How would you know the price ?

    You aren't the REAL Fidel Castro at all. I call you out as an impostor.

  17. Simple by iamweezman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Staples...or pretty much any office store will always run coupons and specials. Call them, find out what they are, what days they are for, and if they can beat out the competitor. Even if they are the lowest price, they go to insane measures to cut the competitor if they are threatened with it because their profit margin is so high and they figure that they will create return business if they get you the first time.

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  19. Re:Why paper? Because it won't kill my eyes by Spoing · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here's a good reason: reading stuff on paper is easier on my eyes.

    I used to agree...now, I've entirely adjusted. The last time I had eye strain was back when displays were below 1024x768.

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  20. I work at a printing company. by zeath · · Score: 2, Informative

    I work at a printing company. My work involves printing about 40,000 pages of paper a week. I'm lucky that I can print, copy, and bind anything that looks ITish and make it look like work related. I have spiral-bound copies of a boatload of XServe reference pdfs just because I got annoyed at looking at the pdf on the screen, even though I've only used them the day they were printed and they've been tucked away in a drawer since.

    Now, for something useful to answer the question at hand: Find a local, small printing company. They're all over, you just have to look. Call up and ask to speak to their IT dept. I've done small printjobs like manuals, they're insanely easy and fast to do, and a single copy of a 800 page manual (assuming that means 800 planes, 400 double-sided pieces of paper), 3 hole punched in a binder, would cost us roughly $50 to do. This is not a price quote, just an FYI. Reasonably we'd probably ask about $70 to $100, cheaper if it's for an existing/prospective client or a personal favor.

    If you need lots (hundred or more) of copies, you can go really cheap with the "tissue paper" that prints off of a web press and get them for as little as $5 a copy, depending on how you bind them. Unfortunately, we don't do that where I work but we subcontract work that we get that does need it.

  21. Re:so like, by MarkGriz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Summarizing the Bible's easy: Nothing really matters but be polite and considerate anyway.

    Or, in other words:

    "Be excellent to each other, and, PARTY ON, DUDES!"

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  22. Re:Put more than one virtual page on an actual pag by orasio · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't be so radical.

    (print even pages)
    psbook -s16 file.ps |psnup -n 2 |psselect -e |lpr -P printer

    (re-feed your pages, print odd pages)

    psbook -s16 file.ps |psnup -n 2 |psselect -o |lpr -P printer

    Will print a nice manual, in several 16 pages booklets, that you can bind with your own stapler in the middle (hint: open the stapler all the way, plus the side of your desk is your friend).

    If you used a nice laser printer (a cheap one will do) then you have a nice, book sized manual, as easy to read as a common book.

    That would be for A4, but if you would like bigger sizes, you can do some tricks to print on legal size, and chop the top and bottom margins, acheiving book-grade font sizes, but you are on your own (hint: man psbook).
    Of course, only use A4.

  23. CafePress / Lulu by bradediger · · Score: 4, Informative

    I needed a manual printed (perfect bound - like a paperback novel) last year and went with CafePress. They have reasonable prices--I think I spent $15 on a 200-page book, one copy. Decent quality, but the pages were a little yellow.

    Then I found Lulu. Same kind of thing, with a base price of $4.53 per book and $0.02 per page. They do have a page limit of 700 pgs, which would translate into a whopping $18.53. Anyone have any experience with them?