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Apple Patents Tablet Mac (with Photos)

jkheit writes "I wrote a quick news item over at the Mac Observer that might be of interest. Apple patents a tablet Mac. The new photos confirm that this device is a touch-screen Apple tablet. You can see it here."

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  1. Photos???? Comment + mirror by winkydink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are very simple illustrations, not photos.

    Would a Mac tablet ever see the light of day? This is not intended as a
    troll/flame, but how big is the market for a niche product from a niche
    computer manufacturer?

    A mirror of the photos^H^H^H^H^H^Hillustrations is here.

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  2. Wait! by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Funny

    My iBook isn't going to happy when she sees that come home with me. :(

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    1. Re:Wait! by BandwidthHog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but ski lift operators in hell will all rejoice.

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  3. Its nice... by Upaut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It looks, should they make it, to be smaller and lighter than a "current" tablet PC. Kinda like an oversized PDA. Like a Newton and a Powerbook got freeky in the back room...

    Its so pure, I think I'm going to cry...

    Seriously though, I am hoping to see something like this in the near future. Hopefully it will be 'announced' in the next Macworld Boston. Inkwell is such a nice pice of software, it would be great to see it being used in a tablet.

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  4. Don't be fooled! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's actually a revolutionary new transportation system which will enable people to get about without requiring gasoline. In snow you simply stand upon it and carve your way downhill or grab a fender and glide along behind traffice. In the summer attach trucks and wheels and you've got it finished.

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  5. Correction. Illustrations not photos. by jkheit · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry about the misleading title. (A case of fingers before brain) There are illustrations from the patent, not photos. (Perhaps this can be corrected). Anyway, my apologies on that.

  6. Re:Correction. Illustrations not photos. by winkydink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some of us pointed that out to the editors before it was published, but they chose to ignore us (surprise, surprise, surprise)

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  7. Don't Get Too Excited by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Apple patents a lot of things which never see the light of day. It may be that their tablet implamentation has a few unique features they want to patent, but they have no real intention of bringing a TabletMac to market anytime soon. Of course, that could change if they think market conditions warrent...

    Though the pictures don't indicate this, I wonder if they could also be filling in a few final functional gaps to turn the iPod into a full-blown PDA? Tantalizing as that might be, it's probably unlikely as well, seeing as how they're making bigger margins on the iPod Photo than PDA manufacturers are making on their product...

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  8. Re:Patent? by TheHonestTruth · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's a DESIGN patent, not a utility patent. They only have ruights to someone using that design specifically. Design patents are very easy to, pardon the pun, design around. You just have to make some ornamental change. IANADesign Patent Lawyer, so I don't know the legal standard for getting around a design patent, but from what I understand, they are more used in the clothing, accessory, and toy markets to prevent counterfeitting where looks are as improtant as function.

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  9. Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror by Ty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ummm the mp3 market used to be a niche market. Who has about an 80% market share now?

  10. They are, check Tiger, it has built in functions by nickroethemeier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed that in Apple Quartz Composer, there is mention of a TABLET pen location. I tried this with my Wacom Graphire, and no luck. At this point, I figured that apple must be making new drivers for existing tablets. Well, I guess it's an APPLE BRAND TABLET PC!!! Whoohoo!.

  11. Re:Patent? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Like no one has ever thought of making a tablet before? There has to be more to this if it is true."

    Ya, but this is exactly what people said when Apple made the iPod.
    Apple likes to swoop on good ideas that have been poorly implemented in the past. MP3 players, jukebox software, online music stores, video chat, etc etc. None of this stuff was new, but Apple found a way to make it more accessible and desirable.

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  12. Haha... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Very funny, Jobs. And this is different from my palmpilot how, exactly? Oh, yours is bigger, you say?

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  13. it will work this time by fermion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Apple has some experience in this. The newton was the tablet PC that technology would allow. It was a full powered computer, with expandability and full network connections. I remember transfering files over my ethernet. I did not have to connect my Newton to my computer, only my network.

    What killed the Newton was syncronization. All the stuff I wrote on the newton was difficult to transfer to the Mac. All my contacts on the Mac was difficult to reliably syncronize to the newton. Don't tell me how to do it. I have used a newton from the day it came out until they day they kiled it. I have all the tools, cards, utilities, whatever. I still ahve 2000 sitting in it's leather case in my house.

    So, as soon as palm V came out, small, sync, everything, I was all over it. It was could not be a writing machine, but I could live with that. My Newton became more trouble than it was worth.

    But Apple now has sync, at least for what can fit on the .Mac drive. It does not sync macs, and I have found nothing that will do so quickly over 802.11b, but you can do calendars, contacts, mail, and good number of documents, which is has made my life so much easier.

    So, this tablet PC, which will have bluetooth and airport, can do what the newton never could. Be an effective remote terminal. You can carry it around for an hour or a day, and, within a few minutes, all relevent changes can be transfered. You can take it to the coffee house, sync to .Mac, and by the time you get back home, your big machine can be updated.

    Am I sorely afraid I will buy this thing. Yes. I don't really know what I would use it for, which is the rub. If it is like an iTablet, consumer priced, it would be fun to have. If it was PowerTablet, the investment would be difficult.

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    1. Re:it will work this time by Khelder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used a Newton for years (first the original MessagePad and then the MP100). For me, the fatal flaw was that it was both too big and too small:

      * Too big to fit in my pocket so I could carry it with me everywhere
      * Too small to be able to see very much data at once

      On the plus side, the interface was amazing. It was actually designed to be used with a pen, not just a modified desktop UI.

      So now I use a Palm, because it lets me have my calendar and contact info with me all the time (as well as other stuff, of course, but the main thing I use it for is calendar and contacts). And its interface is ok.

      But I still miss my Newton. I'd love to have a Newtonesque tablet. Even one with a display the size of a steno pad would be excellent.

  14. Hush, child! by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's ok, it's only a computer, and it doesn't have a personality.

    Quiet, you'll hurt it's feelings!

  15. Single mousebutton! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now I understand why they have been so stuck on 1 button!!!

    A touchpad!

    Oooohh.. Jobs was ahead of the curve all along... :-)

    1. Re:Single mousebutton! by michaeldot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slightly sarcastic? But indeed you're right. My Tablet PC works much better with software designed with just one button in mind.

      While most tablet styluses come with a right-button in the lower half of the pen, they're often easy to accidentally press and many users like myself instead disable it and set the tablet settings to treat a TAP-AND-HOLD as a right-click.

      When you're not holding a mouse, "right-clicking" a tablet is a slower means of interacting. Software designed with one button in mind works much more efficiently and naturally.

      This is quite important, as until Tablet PC "takes off" (it hasn't by any means), most software that runs on is mainstream, non-tablet-aware software. An OS which encourages one-mouse development could have a distinct advantage.

  16. Patent RSS Feeds by stikij · · Score: 5, Informative

    Courtesy of PatentMojo.com
  17. Prior art? by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't this violate the Etch-a-Sketch design patent?

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  18. Using Tiger by CypherXero · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tiger (10.4) has a built-in feature that allows you to rotate the screen.

    Go the the System Preferences and then hold down the option key while you click the Displays button. You will see a pulldown thats labeled "Rotate". Select it and you will see your screen rotate.

    1. Re:Using Tiger by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Don't forget this has other uses. For example you could mount your LCD on a swivel stand or on your wall in portrait mode, then use function to make the screen "right side up".

      If Apple did this, I would expect the screen to automatically rotate what is "up" based on how you hold the tablet. The little gyro in the latest PowerBooks should be enough to allow them to do that.

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    2. Re:Using Tiger by ljaguar · · Score: 4, Informative

      it screws up the subpixel rendering though. because subpixel rendering (LCD anti-aliasing) depends on horizontal layout of red/green/blue pixels. he anti-aliasing of the font expects the red/green/blue pixel to be aligned in a certain way so draws the font in a certain way. This works fine when it's really aligned that way as expected. But if the screen is rotated 90 degrees, the algorithm screws up.

      I tried it. Other people are freaking out because they can't figure out how to revert the screen... You just restart the system preference panel and do it again. I did it and got it back fine.

      But like I said, the subpixel rendering problem is there.

    3. Re:Using Tiger by FauxPasIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > it screws up the subpixel rendering though.

      Hmmm... that's rather surprising and non-Apple-like. FWIW, freetype can handle vertical subpixel AA as
      well as several different subpixel orders. Rather unusual for Apple to bork something like that up.

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  19. Don't jump to any conclusions by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 4, Funny

    All I have to say about this is: 20030076303.

    1. Re:Don't jump to any conclusions by NickV · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yea... I see what you're saying. It seems WAAAAY to obvious (and un-Apple like) to just give something that big away in a patent without obfuscating it to hell and back (and a picture of a guy using a tablet is pretty much the opposite of obfusication.)

      That patent you refer to was clearly for the iPod clickwheel, but by phrasing all the language and diagrams as a "mouse" with a "rotary dial" you guys totally hid the real nature of the patent until it was released. Mind you, after the iPod mini's release it was pretty obvious that the patent applied to that item.

      So what you're saying is the patent is for something unrelated to a tablet... something that , once it comes out, will obviously fit that patent.

      You know what I think it is (based on your hints and other things I've read.) A remote for the Airport Express Video (the one with an integrated hardware h.263 encoder and digital video outputs for a TV) that gives you a mini iTunes-y type interface to select tv shows/episodes you bought.

      Yea... that sounds like it! It'd be very cool! (and surprising for a company run by a man who I've read hates the TV.)

    2. Re:Don't jump to any conclusions by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 3, Funny

      No. You should buy a PowerBook right now. Today, if possible. In fact, you should buy two. They're that good.

      Do you have any friends who might be interested in buying PowerBooks? Bring them to the store with you. You should all buy as many PowerBooks as possible.

      And while you're at it, don't forget to pick up an iPod. And one for the car!

  20. Um, no. by MadMacSkillz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Words per minute I can type: about 80 Words per minute I can handwrite: about 15 Why do I need a tablet again?

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    1. Re:Um, no. by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you create diagrams and explanations, tablets make a huge difference.

      When we solve the problem of incorporating images online, and when we have cheap tablets, you're going to see Wikipedia (and the rest of the web) light up with diagrammed explanations of things.

      Visual Language is going to be big and near-ubiquitous. It'll be a lot easier to learn about stuff.

      But, the pressure will be on you to make visual explanations. People will have much higher visual literacy. The knowledge in "Understanding Comics" will be near-ubiquitous- common sense. Text-only will be fogey-style.

      So, after a while, the pressure will be on to use a Tablet, or whatever the future equivalent is. Perhaps you'll just write with a stylus on a table, and the camera next to you infer where you're drawing, and use a laser to print it down for you, or something. Who knows.

  21. You missed the most obvious one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    iPad.

  22. Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror by JHromadka · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is obviously the PowerBook G5. Not shown is the processor, which will be incorporated into the power supply. :)

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  23. Re:Patent? by themoodykid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I heard there was some guy who wrote a top ten list of his favourite activities on a pair of tablets. That's gotta be prior art!

  24. You mean... by Repton · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...no one apart from Apple will be allowed to make a tablet Macintosh?

    TIHS ILLEGAL MONOPOLY MUST STOP!!!

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  25. Re:Aren't tablets expensive enough? by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well, tablets don't sell to well from what I've heard. If they really took off (and Apple knows how to make break-away products) the cost wouldn't be so bad. Tablets already sell at a premium (IIRC), so the "Apple Tax" may be the same so the costs would be about equal.

    Also, while Apple only has like 4% of the PC market, they have a MUCH bigger chunk of the laptop market.

    But let's face it. If Apple wants to release a niche product at a premium, the are free too. If it stays niche, then no problem. If the market explodes, it would get cheaper (economies of scale and all that).

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  26. Re:Patent? by mesach · · Score: 5, Funny

    With the speed of the patent office being what it is, maybe this is a patent for the Newton, finally being granted.

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  27. Re:Here is what I think by totoanihilation · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Apple turned the 12" PB or iBook into a table, that would rock.

    They already have. They call it a 17" PowerBook.

  28. Re:billions? by winkydink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now white headphones are becoming as ubiquitous as cell phones.

    In Steve Jobs' dreams perhaps. There were almost 700 million cell phones sold last year and an estimated 800-900 million this year.

    How many ipods?

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  29. The touchscreen is different from tablets by -Harlequin- · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that this patent is for a finger touchscreen tablet like a PDA, and my tablet has a wacom pressure-sensitive pen digitizer in the screen.

    This is interesting. A year ago, I was predicting that Apple would get on the tablet bandwagon (and possibly pull off another ipod), because tablets are so suited to art, which is ostensibly one of apples big markets. (I have a normal wacom digitizer on my desktop, but I find I prefer to use the screen digitiser of may tablet for photoshop, etc, - even though the CRT of the desktop beats any LCD on a portable).

    Yet their design is for a finger touch screen. This would make for perhaps a better interface than pen for something simple like an ebook or portable video player (a video ipod allowing you rent DRMed movies from apple :-), but not so useful as an art / design machine (my understanding is that to have both pressure-sensitive pen and finger, you would need two seperate, difference hardware systems on the screen, which would be expensive).

    I have a convertable tablet (it operates in slate and laptop mode), and my experience is that it is a vast improvement over laptops when in laptop mode, but slate mode, while kind of cool, it typically limited to low-input tasks like watching DVDs, because I type at twice the speed I write.

    So I doubt this tablet is going to be marketed as a mac. It may contain a mac, but it's going to take aim at more specialised tasks.

    Unless they stick one of those laser keyboards on it that convert any flat surface into a keyboard. It's about time someone built one of those into a slate computer.

    And now that epaper is becoming possible, ebook readers that failed to suck might be another ipod waiting to happen.

    1. Re:The touchscreen is different from tablets by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 4, Funny

      How much longer do you think we'll all be pressing a seperate button for every single letter in every word we want to express? I say rot in hell qwerty - apple give me a blue tooth headset and some new software.

      I assume you're not a programmer, huh?

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  30. Re:Patent? by dr.badass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this is rather like apple's patent on the itunes interface. problematic by itself, and depressing if it becomes a precedent for future patent maneuvering.

    A design patent is not quite the same as what one normally thinks of when talking about patents. Basically all this move indicates is that nobody can release a tablet that looks like what Apple would design. It's meant to prevent rip-offs, not stifle innovation. Of course, I fully expect someone to claim that rip-offs are innovative.

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  31. Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror by dave1212 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    no, the mp3 player market faltered for a while before Apple picked up the slack.

    The tablet market has faltered for a while too, let's see what comes of it.

  32. Re:They are, check Tiger, it has built in function by drdink · · Score: 4, Informative
    From Quartz Composer:
    Tablet This patch returns the current state of the tablet pointing device. The pen position is expressed in units in the Quartz Composer coordinates system. The pen tilt on the X and Y axes is normalized to the [-1.0,1.0] range and the pen pressure is normalized to the [0,1] range. Note that this patch does not read the tablet state directly but is dependent on the proper information being passed to the composition. This information may not always be available, depending on the environment in which Quartz Composer is running.
    From the ADC Reference Library:
    A tablet with a stylus is an input device that generates more accurate and detailed data than does a mouse. It enables a user to draw, write, or make selections on a touch-sensitive surface (the tablet); an application can then capture and process those movements, reflecting them in its user interface. The tablet is generally a USB device connected to a computer system and the stylus is a wireless transducer. The stylus actually can be any pointing device, such as a pen, an airbrush, or even a puck. In addition to the stylus location at any given moment, tablet devices can report many other pieces of data, such as the tilt of a pen, the rotation of a puck, and the pressure applied to the stylus. Pressure is particularly important because, with just this small piece of data, a user can tell an application to vary the thickness of a line being drawn, or its opacity, or its color. Some stylus devices also have buttons that can furnish an application with additional information. Mac OS X supports tablet devices from several manufacturers. Some of these tablets can respond to multiple pointing devices on their surfaces at the same time.
    Now, the output parameters that the Tablet patch provides in Quartz Composer are:
    • X
    • Y
    • Tilt X
    • Tilt Y
    • Pressure
    • Tip Button
    • Lower Button
    • Upper Button
    Also worth noting from the ADC Library documentation (for Cocoa) above:

    Important: Tablet events are available in Mac OS X v10.4 and later versions of the operating system.

    On a similar note, Quartz Composer showed up in Mac OS X 10.4 as well. Note the pictures in the ADC document as well. They depict a tablet connected to an iMac or Apple display. It seems to me that none of this is talking about a tablet PC. If it is, they sure went through a great deal to hide it.
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  33. Re:billions? by cosmic_0x526179 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In Steve Jobs' dreams perhaps. There were almost 700 million cell phones sold last year and an estimated 800-900 million this year.

    The grandparent post is more correct than you give it credit for. A cellphone is used for how many minutes per hour on average... maybe 5 ? An average iPod owner probably exceeds 30 mins per hour average usage. So, if you multiply the number of iPods sold by the visibility factor the iPod is becoming ubiquitous.

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  34. Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whoops! Research please!

    Apple Computer is a huge computer manufacturer. In fact, they are the 5th biggest in terms of recent US sales figures, and sales are increasing more rapidly than any other manufacturer. [Source: IDC, 4Q2004 report]

    So even though Apple only holds 3.8% of the market:

    1. Dell @ 17% of market
    2. HP, @ 16% of market
    3. IBM, @ 5% of market
    4. Gateway, @ 4% of market
    5. Apple @ 3.8% of market

    And there you have it. They may be small compared to Microsoft's 95% OS penetration, but they are large in terms of being a product manufacturer, neatly falling in the "2nd tier by volume" along with IBM and Gateway.

  35. Re:Patent? by croddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    actually, I'm referring to their dubious patent on the iTunes software interface. and no, I don't require your explanation of design patents. they are harmful, and must be neutralized.

  36. Re:700 million ? by winkydink · · Score: 3, Informative

    I sure can.
    here

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  37. Re:Tablet by cosmo7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Labtop

    It's the top of a labrador. Apple is going to release the top of a labrador retriever.

    Don't get the first version; it's full of bugs.

  38. Good question by putaro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple actually built a prototype Mac (System 7) tablet back in the mid-90's. They got as far as the "prototype" plastics being made and did a small run for internal testing (maybe a couple of dozen?). I saw some in use in the Tokyo office in '96 where they were being used to test the (Japanese language) handwriting recognition software. They were sturdy enough for day to day use and were left in the lunchroom for employees to use (the idea was to get lots of input with different people's handwriting styles). I don't recall why the project was killed then.

  39. Re:Patent? by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

    That is why we have trademarks.

    No, actually, it isn't. A trademark is entirely different. For example, a trademark prevents someone from putting your logo on their product, whether it looks like your product or not. A design patent prevents someone from copying the design of your product, no matter what logo they put on it.

    It is a dangerous precedent for design elements to be patentable.

    Except it isn't a precedent at all -- design patents aren't a recent thing. They were incorporated into patent law in 1842. It seems like they are among the least dangerous parts of current patent law.

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