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Apple's First Flops

Sabah Arif writes "Apple began the eighties with two major flops under its belt: the Apple III and the LISA. Both machines were attempts at breaking into the business market. They were technologically advanced, but major flaws prevented their success."

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  1. Sounds reasonable. by Televisor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd say two major flops are a pretty good hit/miss ratio compared to the number of products they've had out, 2:50 or so.

    1. Re:Sounds reasonable. by grahamlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree with your sentiment; using the Apple developer tools and environment as standard would be sweet as. Even back in the mid 1990s the NeXT developer environment was absolute luxury. The problem is most heads of IT (and most IT support staff) depend on Windows for their livelihood so aren't about to endorse a switch to Mac, Linux, OpenVMS or anything else.

  2. Apple Pippin by thedogcow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about the Apple Pippin? Few people know about Apples ill-fated console release.

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    1. Re:Apple Pippin by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      a few pippin links
      http://www.businessweek.com/1996/14/b346998.htm
      the business week artical from 96
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin
      The wikipedia entry

      http://www.macgeek.org/museum/pippin/
      and the macgeek pippin / bandi museem

      I belive it was released by bandi it just got drowned by the price and the fact it was a bit ahead of its time (look at consoles now , offering simmilar multi media features)

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  3. And the 3rd flop was ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know if there are some Mac addicts here who can remember it, but the "AV" machines back then (660 AV and 840AV iirc) with their AT&T 3210 DSP, GeoPort, etc... were nicknamed Mac III

    And of course were an horrible flop :)

    It's funny because back then, the nickname "Mac III" made a lot of people associate it with Apple III, and there was, in the Mac hackers community, a bad feeling about it ...

    Apple: Never again use "III" in a product name :)

    Ben.

    1. Re:And the 3rd flop was ... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had (well have, its still in a box in my basement) a Centris 660AV - at the time I thought it was a phenomenal macine, with a separate processor to handle things like speech recognition and a CD-ROM drive built in (you had to use a special caddy for each CD, never mind slot loading!) Like the Lisa, it was ahead of its time.

  4. Apple is a 2.0 or 3.0 company most of the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I'm an Apple fan, owner, and former employee (certainly not a high-level one, though).

    That said, Apple screws up a lot, particularly in first versions of a new product. As the article says, the Lisa was a flop, but it led to the original Mac, which led to the real hit, the Mac II.

    The Mac Portable was a terrible product--but it led to the Powerbook, which defined the laptop computer. The Cube was overpriced and didn't have a market, but it led to the Mini, which is kicking ass.

    The iPod was a hit from the jump, but the Newton was dead from its announcement date (we knew it was in trouble when they started handing them out as employee awards).

  5. Re:Classic tech support advise! by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You just cant beat 1980s technical support. A friend of mine use to work for Cray back in the 80s. When the systems timing wasn't just quite right a technician will go to the system and cut the wire a little shorter so the electrons will get there a little quicker. Technology back then if you ever compare the electronics were a lot bigger and more durable. large solder blobs to keep the chip in place with the board. An extra wire soldered on to fix a bug in the design. just filled with ICs. It is great stuff. With this type of stuff you can actually figure out how it works. Figuring that you has the specs of every IC.

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  6. Lovverly Lisa by Cally · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Lisa wasn't a commercial success but it certainly was a technological success, paving the way for the Mac. (If you haven't seen a picture of one, google around... they looked a bit like an original Mac (aka 'Mac Classic') rotated through 90 degrees. It had a revolutionary WIMP interface. I remember as an awestruck almost-teenager reading a breathless review in the UK's then only PC mag, "Personal Computer World" which said "the only bad thing we could find to say about it is that some of the icons look a little whimsical. How long could you look at a whimsical icon before it becomes irritating?" It was also over eight grand sterling, four times the price of the ugly, clunky CGA IBM PCs that were the competition...

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  7. Re:Apple IIGS? by MouseR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh no that wasn't.

    That machine was the last of the Apple //s and did very well. It introduced a number of additions that eventually made their way into the Mac world, such as ADB input bus. It had 16-bit graphics when Macs were still black and white, 16-chanel sound chip (the Mac had a 4-way back then I believe).

    That machine would have made Apple big, had they had not spent all their marketing efforts onto the Mac (whose hardware was inferior in many areas to the GS, but whose OS was superior).