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Phantom Console May Never Materialize

CNN Money's excellent column Game On is running a piece discussing the conspicuous absence of the Phantom console from this year's E3. The service-based system which was to allow download and purchase of games via a living-room unit has been the subject of dubious press coverage and general mistrust, all of which appears to have been well deserved. From the article: "The company believes, based on past performance, that there is a high likelihood that sufficient capital will not be available ... and many or all of these milestones will be missed and the launch date will again shift and/or the company will go out of business..."

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  1. well duh... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Phantom Console May Never Materialize

    +5, Amazing Grasp of the Obvious.

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  2. I for one... by i64X · · Score: 2, Funny

    am totally shocked.

  3. no, it'll come out by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Funny

    the launch titles will be Duke Nukem and Team Fortress 2

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    1. Re:no, it'll come out by vpetersen · · Score: 2, Funny

      > the launch titles will be Duke Nukem and Team Fortress 2

      With Daikatana II preview

    2. Re:no, it'll come out by Kehvarl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did John Romero make you his bitch?

  4. I can't wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to see what happens when Phantom tries to sue CNN...

  5. Phantom Console by robpoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Downloads games? Wow. Does it come with a free 10g fiber connection to the house?

    With the console games getting as fat as they've been (i.e. full DVD media) how in the hell do you expect people to download that much material (for one) and since it's not on a copy protected media, how would you trust that someone wouldn't just copy if off the local HD and play it for free?

    And dont tell me about subscription unlocks and stuff. If they've figured out how to mod an XBox to play pir..err..copie...err.. BACKED UP games, hacked Windows XP to not need activation, hacked DirecTV / Dish / Cable / whatever, then surely whatever "authentication scheme" they choose will be broken, too.....

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    1. Re:Phantom Console by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A better analogy would be the success of Valve software's Steam service. It has essentially made the buy, download, play model viable. Add a hardware scheme around it and its even more protected. Speed? so you wait a few days for the download, if it allows the user to demo the game or obtain a rare game they would otherwise have to wait for anyway, why the hex not?

    2. Re:Phantom Console by nossid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another example of content delivery over the net is Guild Wars, where you download a ~70Kb client, which in turn downloads the actual content only when it's needed for the first time or if a new version is available. So far it has worked perfectly for me, and there is no hassle with CDs or any manual involvement in the patching/updating process.

    3. Re:Phantom Console by KillShill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a better analogy would be renting the game.

      since you never actually "own" the game, you essentially rent the game for a one time fee. they can revoke your right to use the game at their discretion at any time for any reason.

      what a wonderful model upon to base all future game publishing.

      i for one am willing to be handcuffed and ask permission to play games i ...buy..er rent.

      getting rid of the middleman (publishers) has always been a good thing... but not if you replace it with developer handcuffs. i don't want to hear excuses about why it's necessary or that "it's in my best interest" etc...

      if i don't control it, someone else does.

      i'm sure it's only a matter of time before consoles completely go this route too... i mean afterall, why give those darn thieving pirates who pay 50 bucks a game, a copy of our precious "intellectual property" on a plastic disc.

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    4. Re:Phantom Console by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh? No flame intended, but the only reason Steam is sucessful it's because it carried Half-Life 2 - one of the most anticipated games in history.

      What else is available through it? HL1? Assorted mods? When Steam grows a respectable games catalogue, we'll know if it's a sucess or not. Not likely to happen either, unless Valve starts publishing new games on their own - other companies are more likely to create their own Steam rather than going through Valve. That'd be nice, having to use 10 different online buying/activation programs for games...

  6. Hard OCP's expose by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    HardOCP did a great expose on this company.

    Of course, they then sued HardOCP and were generally nasty, so I'm pretty happy about the way this all turned out.

    1. Re:Hard OCP's expose by haydon4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      HardOCP has been on these guys for a long time, not to mention those wacky guys at Penny-Arcade.
      http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-01 -22&res=l
      http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-08 -20&res=l

      I know I'm redundant here, but did anybody really not see this comming? They hyped this so-called "on demand", they only way they could have made it even more out landish is if they advertised to have it implated inside my brain.

    2. Re:Hard OCP's expose by triso · · Score: 3, Interesting
      HardOCP did a great expose on this company...
      Not to mention that this was written in 2003 and not much has changed in two years.
    3. Re:Hard OCP's expose by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Funny
      HardOCP has been on these guys for a long time, not to mention those wacky guys at Penny-Arcade.

      Don't forget the one that actually references HardOCP and the suit!

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    4. Re:Hard OCP's expose by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, if he defended himself, and won, it should have been a condition of the lawsuit that he won his 'costs' back as well. Lawyers are greedy, and they wouldn't take a case like this without a guaranteed paycheck. If defending against this case crushed his bank account, he should have gotten punitive damages as well as lawyer compensation from the prosecution.

      Then again, IANAL, and maybe his lawyers sucked.

  7. For those who don't know what this is about... by halivar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read all about it here.

    There, now I've done my karma-whoring for the day.

    1. Re:For those who don't know what this is about... by Thaelon · · Score: 2, Funny

      You only karma-whore once a day? Shame on you!

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  8. This just in!!! by getusout · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, Daikatana 2 may not materialize...

  9. Re:Well duh! by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm quite happy it didn't come out - it means that
    a) Darwin is doing his work on it's investors and
    b) there would have been something desperately wrong with a world where Phantom is released and Indrema is canned.

  10. Best Evidence that Phantom Is Finished by MBraynard · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Best Evidence that Phantom Is Finished by MynockGuano · · Score: 5, Funny

      *insert Pac Man death-sound here*

  11. So? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if it did come out, what were its chances of competing against the PS3, Xbox360, and Nintendo Revolultion?

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  12. In other news... by null+etc. · · Score: 4, Funny

    Infinium Labs has announce the "Phantom 2", code-named "Ephemeral".

  13. Junk faxing for stock by rigorist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Infinium Labs had to engage in illegal junk-faxing for a pump 'n' dump stock scheme earlier this year.

    If the company is that far down the tubes, there's not much hope of it ever producing a product.

  14. Whuh? by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Neo: I just got this strange feeling of deja vu.

    Trinity: A deja vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.

    Me: Uh... guys. The only thing they're changing again is their mailing address for corporate headquarters. Which is probably a public restroom in downtown Phoenix this time around.

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  15. it's been doomed since day one by Scruffeh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Their CEO has a very very long history of failed buisness ventures. Hard OCP reported this over 2 years ago and then Infinium tried to sue them.

    No surprise at all really. It's one of the biggest example of vapourware ever....

    Here's the HardOCP article which they got sued for. Loads of dodgy looking stuff here:

    http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTEyLDI=

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/20/infinium_l abs_gets_litigious/

  16. Re:Well duh! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, I wish they would release that cool "couch" keyboard they developed. But of course, it'd have to be wireless.

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  17. And... by Momoru · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...their stock is up 4% (1 shiny penny).

    1. Re:And... by metlin · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not the 1 penny that matters, it's the volume. See the volume of 4,226,531 there?

      Imagine 4,226,531 pennies - that's $42,265.31.

      Okay, damn. It's still not much is it?

  18. great... by oh_the_humanity · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now what am i going to do with 100,000 shares of infiniumlabs ?

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    1. Re:great... by Momoru · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sell them all, and then borrow a $400 and buy an PS3

  19. [Raises hand in back row] by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I di...[BONK!] [Gets hit with a rubber chicken] ;P

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  20. Hidden Press Release to Executives... by Mindragon · · Score: 2, Funny

    For Immediate Release
    CONTACT:
    Timothy Roberts
    Infinium Labs
    www.phantom.net


    SOMEWHERE,NIGERIA,5/20/2005

    We might be going out of business like there is no tomorrow...But we sure made a killing on the market!

    Why my stock went all the way up to $1.00 a share and we made millions off of those stupid stock traders.

    With all our newfound money that we swindled from the market, we'll just probably go startup another company to steal money from people...I hear Nigeria is a good place to do stuff like this.

    ABOUT INFINIUM LABS
    We're a company that has produced nothing and made millions doing it. Now we're going to take all our money and run.

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    1. Re:Hidden Press Release to Executives... by Mindragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gah. I really don't understand why I got modded as a troll. Maybe the person that modded me is related to Tim in some way?

      Timothy Roberts is a con artist, plain and simple. The only difference between him and the folks in Nigeria is he succeeded where others has failed. I like how the cops in Nigeria deal with con artist. When they find one, they just blow them away right there.

      I feel sorry for anyone that bought IFLB.OB shares thinking it was gonna hit $1.00...$2.00...or more and watch it sink back down to $0.1250 along with part of their life saivngs...Read the message boards on Yahoo if you wanna see some horror stories that Tim has wrought.

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  21. Obvious Comment Checklist by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 5, Funny
    Let's see which of the obvious comments have been made:

    • Reference to it running Duke Nukem Forever: Check
    • Obvious Pun on Platform Name: Check.
    • Reference to Original Hard OPC Article: Check.
    • Link to Penny Arcade strip on Phantom:....?
    Woo-hoo! A chance to Karma Whore!

    Take two! They're small!

    And another!

    And still another!

    Crow T. Trollbot
    1. Re:Obvious Comment Checklist by nb+caffeine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The last one is still my favorite. though, the "its got broad bands" makes me laugh every time i read that comic

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    2. Re:Obvious Comment Checklist by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Funny
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  22. Duke Nukem Forever? by p0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps is it because the Phantom is platform for Duke Nukem Forever?

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  23. Press Release to the rest of the world... by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hi. My Name is Timothy Roberts, President of the esteemed company Infinium Labs, in the United States of America, under glory of God. We are a company highly successful with video games. Unfortunately our name has been tarnished by the infad^H^H^H^H^Heditors of online magazines. The effect of these words were to promote our bankers to halt the access to our accounts. Through our business dealings I aforementioned we had secured FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($5000000, or 60000 camels^H^H^H^H^H^Hschoolchildren). Through a gift of God we were given your email address. We require a person whom with we may complete the aforementioned business transaction. For your honour in saving our corporation we will award you 30 percent. please reply soon. www.phantom.net

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  24. Talk About Freaking Shady by ultimabaka · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the Infinium Labs website:

    Phantom(TM) Game Receiver

    * AMD® Athlon(TM) XP 2500+ central processing unit (CPU)
    * NVIDIA® GeForce(TM) FX 5700 Ultra graphics processing unit (GPU)
    * NVIDIA nForce(TM)2 Ultra 400 platform processor
    * 256 MB RAM
    * 40 GB local content cache
    * Microsoft Windows XP® Embedded Operating System
    * Dynamic, personalized user interfaces customizable for age, gender or technical expertise
    * Lapboard, mouse and game pad included

    * HDTV and Dolby® Digital 5.1 compatible
    * Works with any consumer-standard broadband Internet Service Provider (ISP): DSL or faster

    You mean to tell me they've spent millions of dollars trying to build a normal computer, and FAILING??? What kind of real stupidity is going on here?

    1. Re:Talk About Freaking Shady by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually they suceeded at spending millions of dollars without doing anything - who's the real fools here?

      The investors - thats who.

  25. Re:Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am reminded of the body armor that I made for my son. He was getting bullied at school by other fourth graders because he got glasses at the beginning of the school year. It nearly brought me to tears to see him come home with his shirt torn, his bookbag covered with mud and the tears in his eyes. The memories of my own childhood came back and I recalled the day that horrible Horrigan boy kicked me into a puddle of mud. I vowed that this was not going to happen to my son.

    I set to work (it was about October) and started looking for diagrams of the Star Wars storm trooper outfits. My son was rather excited at the prospect of having body armor to wear to school. We both dilligently researched and plotted our plan of attack. It took me about two months of work and nearly $1400, but the end result was perfect. He looks like a storm trooper. His body armor is equipped with surface tazer capabiltiy. All he has to do is press a button on his glove and the whole suit becomes electrically charged!

    I also worked on embedding a cell phone and mobile camera so that he can send me pictures, instant messages and even call me at work during the day should he need anything. I made sure to place the cell antenna sticking off of the right shoulder so he doesn't get exposed to dangerous microwaves (which I really doubt are a propblem, but you never know for sure). The attacks have stopped. The kids don't want to get near him. I did get called in by the school superintendent, but I explained the situation and said this was the only way that my kid would be safe since the teachers obviously have better things to do than safeguard the children from bullies. I also gave her the names of the boys that harrassed my son and she balked saying those kids were the stars of the little league team. I said, "That is exactly my point. The athletes tend to be the worst offenders of courtesy". She didn't like the idea, but I had done nothing illegal.

    Anyway... the keyboard looks like it's the same kind of plastic I used for my son's armor. That's why it reminds me of it.

  26. From the Infinium Labs website... by haydon4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You gotta love this stuff.

    From Infinium's Investor relations section; Under SEC filings, reads the following words:

    You can browse SEC filings in Edgar by clicking here. Note that you will be redirected to an external website. We cannot guarantee the accuracy and timeliness of any information therein.
    READ: Whatever the SEC says, it just isn't true!

    Also, the Infinium Labs stock closed today at $0.13 a share after an increase of five one-thousanth of a cent.

    Now who wants to buy this red-hot technology at a super-low bargin price?

  27. Ignore the FUD! by hawk · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's real!

    Contrary to the nasty and malicious rumors, it's on schedule and will happen. I'm typing this from an early production model.

    It sits right next to my brand new Amiga, whose operating system is based upon a release candidate of the Hurd kernel . . .

    :)

    hawk

    1. Re:Ignore the FUD! by quanticle · · Score: 5, Funny

      It sits right next to my brand new Amiga, whose operating system is based upon a release candidate of the Hurd kernel . . .

      Upon which you are playing Duke Nukem Forever...

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    2. Re:Ignore the FUD! by quanticle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ummm... VMWare is a real product though.

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  28. Re:Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It certainly beats the article. Anyone talking about Phantom consoles should be modded off topic so we can focus on the Stormtrooper fantasy.

  29. Nintendo Revolution by aardwolf64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is it any wonder that Phantom disappeared, given what Nintendo is doing with Revolution?

    From the linked page:
    "Perhaps most surprising, the Revolution will give players access to Nintendo's back catalog of games. That's right: you'll be able to download classic titles for the Nintendo 64, Super NES, and original NES systems -- in addition to playing your library of GameCube titles."
  30. LOL by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    5:30 on a friday...It almost seemed rational to me.

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  31. what will i do... by clackerd · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...with my $50 phantom online gift certificate? those bastards!!

  32. hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, I kind of wish it did come out and was just a phenomenal platform, just to see slashdotters' response. Though the people who trashed the Xbox didn't really say much after it came out and turned to be a decent system...

    Yes, I know this is different, yes I'm aware that Infinium is a very dodgy company and the chances of a working living breathing console coming from them are very very remote.

    BUT. In SEC filings companies are required by law to give worst-case scenarios for their business. The original article was somewhat dishonest in portraying this as anything major regarding the Phantom. It doesn't matter how successful the company, if they're registering with the SEC they will have to say things that can go wrong.

  33. good question... by potatoBBQ · · Score: 3, Funny

    the guys at Phantom have spent quite a bit of time thinking about those issues and well... uh... the answer they came up with was: slip the launch date some more.

  34. Re:Well duh! by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Funny

    The one word that's on everyone's mind...

    Pictures? If this is for real, I really want to see this.

  35. Re:How hard is it by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know that. In fact I specifically said the whole purpose was to scam investors.

    All I'm saying is that it would have been real easy to make a few thousand of them. At the very least it would have enticed more investors to come on board to scam. The fact that it was vaporware for so long must have scared some investors away.

    But despite of the ease of making the system, he couldn't' be bothered to even do that. It's like he's the laziest con artist in the world.

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  36. Is your name "Mark" by any chance? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, I kind of wish it did come out and was just a phenomenal platform, just to see slashdotters' response.

    It's not that we don't want a Phantom console, it's just that I have this deed to the Brooklyn Bridge, and I'm strapped for cash, so I'm willing to let it go for cheap if you can pay cash right now...

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