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Oregon Woman Sues Yahoo for $3 Million

bigtallmofo writes "After notifying Yahoo that two member profiles about her were not authorized, Cecilia Barnes of Oregon is suing Yahoo for $3 million for failing to take down the profiles in a timely manner. The profiles allegedly set up by her ex-boyfriend contained nude photos of her along with her email address and work phone number. (Note: The member profiles have since been taken down by Yahoo)."

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  1. Adult Groups a Liability Risk by geomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that portal-based adult groups will probably go "bye-bye" if they are viewed as a financial risk to the hosting site. Yahoo puts all of this webspace up without asking questions about the veracity of the information and then doesn't have the resources to properly police it. I'm sure MSN will drop theirs as well if this case goes against Yahoo.

    I'm sure that this woman is not the first person who has had an ex-boyfriend/husband/lover post nude pictures of them on the net.

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    1. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by EyesofWolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree, she definitely can't be the first. If you think about this before the internet, there have been cases where people have had naked or otherwise naughty pictures of themselves exposed in printed format before. You don't sue the copy store that allowed the person to make photocopies, do you? She should probably be suing the ex.

      Of course, on the other hand, the part of her argument that does hold water is that she asked for the profiles to be taken down since they were fradulent. I do think it is reasonable to expect a reasonable turn around time from the company if you find something out there that you did not post. According to the article, she sent requests over three months, and received no response.

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    2. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "You don't sue the copy store that allowed the person to make photocopies, do you? She should probably be suing the ex."

      No, you'd sue the store for letting the ex put piles of the printed pictures on their floor for anyone to take.

    3. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by geomon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So why doesn't she sue her ex-boyfriend whom posted this information without her consent?

      I'm sure he is next.

      Yahoo the site is just a tool, it would seem the person who posted those pictures should be the one to be sued not the tool which was misused.

      The article states that she requested that the information be removed on several occasions. They didn't comply with her requests. That could make them jointly liable to the original act.

      That is what the court will have to decide.

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    4. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by EyesofWolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Only if they didn't remove them right away (hence the second part of my post).

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    5. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm sure that this woman is not the first person who has had an ex-boyfriend/husband/lover post nude pictures of them on the net.

      Good thing too, or else I'd no longer have any use for this interweb thing.

    6. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by Y2 · · Score: 5, Funny
      So why doesn't she sue her ex-boyfriend whom posted this information without her consent?

      He doesn't have three million dollars.

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    7. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sure that this woman is not the first person who has had an ex-boyfriend/husband/lover post nude pictures of them on the net.

      Any examples?

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    8. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by geomon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People like this woman should take responsibility for their own actions.

      She didn't post the photos in public.

      You make nude photos of yourself then sorry, if they get posted somewhere its only your own fault and nobody else.

      No, if someone steals your property it is the perpetrators fault.

      No scruples, and no right to sue.

      So whatever you do as an adult, with another adult, in the privacy of your own home, should be considered by a court in a civil action?

      Dude, I think you are way off base on that one.

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    9. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by Drey · · Score: 2, Informative

      The email case took legal action from the dead soldier's family as well.

    10. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I agree, she definitely can't be the first.

      You aint kidding. Take walk over to Empornium and check out the Homemade section. Revenge porn is a booming sector.

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    11. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by Intron · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot to mention that the nude photos were taken through her clothing using backscatter X-ray machines at the airport.

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    12. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by XenonChloride · · Score: 2, Funny
      I seriously wonder wtf is wrong with women who let a boyfriend (in most instances an uncommitted relationship of indeterminant duration) photograph or tape them nekkid.
      Hint: Some of them do enjoy to pose and don't mind to be caressed, spanked and bonked before, during and after the photo session ;-)
    13. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by geomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Should yahoo have to take the profiles down?>

      Yes.

      The women does not legally own all nude pictures of herself. Her phone numbers do not legally receive any special priveledge either, or phone books would be outlawed.

      Your points are well taken, but the problem with this case is that her ex- used the profile to solicit sex from strangers who showed up at her workplace. Posting the information and pretending to be her is fraud.

      Posting nude pictures of her by itselfisn't something I would consider actionable, despite being an asshole-ish thing to do.

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    14. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by Retric · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He used said information as part of a larger act of fraud so he is clearly liable. He might have been allowed to post those pics and that information but he also impersonated him in chat sessions to get men to show up at her office thinking they where going to have sex with her.

      Now AOL might not be required to take down her pictures and / or contact information but clearly letting him continue to use there system for months after they had been notified he was committing fraud with their system exposes them to some risk.

      IMO 3mil seems like a reasonable level of compensation for an organization that willfully allowed such level of harassment to continue for months. It's not like she is trying to get them to verify all information in their system just to have a system to take information down in the event it's misused. Think of the risk they would be taking if the pictures where of a 13 year old and they waited months to take them down.

    15. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your point about fraud is valid and would likely let Yahoo (not AOL, right?) off the hook even if he did win.

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    16. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by metlin · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is another "i spilled hot coffee on my self now im going to sue you!" deal.

      Okay, have you even seen the whole case of the hot-coffee lawsuit? Or checked the facts?

      That was an old woman, and the coffee was spilled down her lap and other surrounding areas causing third degree burns on that required skin grafts and a hospital stay for seven-days.

      She had approached them first for medical compensation and was refused, at which point she sued them. And incidentally, a judge later lowered the awarding amount to merely $480,000, which the media never publicized.

      And btw, McDonalds serves their coffee at 185 degrees, a good 20 degrees more than other restaurants - there have been cases of folks with first degree burns because of that.

      At the temperature that McDonalds serves their coffee, it just takes about five seconds for first degree burns to occur - which would require skin grafting.

      Next time you shoot off your mouth without knowing the facts, you might want to look at the reasons why some lawsuits may have been won. I hate frivolous lawsuits too, but that doesn't mean I walk around talking nonsense.

    17. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Revenge porn is a booming sector."

      GREAT.....now just another reason it gets harder and harder to get your girlfriend to let you take nekkid shots of her....

      :-(

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    18. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She should probably be suing the ex.

      Why? The ex doesn't have 3 million dollars, after all............

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    19. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by jarich · · Score: 3, Interesting
      she totally lost me at the $3 million bit.

      The point of a lawsuit isn't always to get the money, it's to get the attention of the company in question. Since Yahoo ignored her for several months, and the lawsuit got the profiles pulled, I'd say 3 million is a great number.

      Also, with a $$ driven corporation, the only way to effect change is to impact their profit margin. Asking for $1,000 wouldn't have been enough money to make Yahoo change any policies. But if she gets even a fraction of the three million, Yahoo will have to start taking removal requests a little more seriously.

    20. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When Yahoo drags their feet to remove someone's nude photos and fraudulent profiles with contact information tied to those photos, they SHOULD be sued into the ground.

    21. Re:Adult Groups a Liability Risk by JohnsonWax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GP: "You make nude photos of yourself then sorry, if they get posted somewhere its only your own fault and nobody else."

      P: No, if someone steals your property it is the perpetrators fault.

      This is an IP violation, not a property case. How is this any different than: "You make a feature film then sorry, if it gets posted somewhere it's your own fault and nobody else"

      Collectively, I don't think that the /. crowd would agree with the viewpoints of either the P or GP posts if this was RotS or the new NIN CD, yet change the content somewhat and suddenly new rationale come out.

      Q: If I opened an account with Yahoo and posted RotS claiming I not only held IP but was Lucas and Yahoo rebuffed his attempts at closing the account, would Lucas have the right to sue Yahoo? Who would have the rights to sue me?

      Of course not much of the above really applies here. The woman doesn't own IP on the photos - she didn't take them, he did. She no more owns the IP than I do of my 3rd grade class photo. The real issue here is the fraud/identity theft charge. The photos I think will be found to be totally irrelevant.

      Rule #1: If you don't want nude photos/sex tapes of yourself shared with the whole world, your *only* protection is to never have them taken, plain and simple.

  2. My idea for a new google product by stlhawkeye · · Score: 5, Funny
    nudes.google.com

    Enter somebody's name, find all known nude photographs of that person. Needn't even be celebrities.

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    1. Re:My idea for a new google product by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hmmm, interesting idea.

      But of the tons of people on the internet, how many would you REALLY want to see naked?

    2. Re:My idea for a new google product by gustgr · · Score: 4, Funny

      What I don't want to see is old people from Korea.

    3. Re:My idea for a new google product by stlhawkeye · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny? You turds! I'm serious, here, tell me you wouldn't use that service to check for every coworker and classmate you know!

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    4. Re:My idea for a new google product by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 2, Funny

      But of the tons of people on the internet, how many would you REALLY want to see naked?

      http://nudes.google.com/~CowboyNeal

    5. Re:My idea for a new google product by SnprBoB86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My ex randomly contacts me form time to time for no better reason than to piss me off. If it happens to me on a bad day... I'll gladly offer my image collection as the first content for nudes.google.com

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    6. Re:My idea for a new google product by bmalnad · · Score: 2, Funny
      What I don't want to see is old people from Korea.

      ... or America, or any other country listed here.

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  3. Important note? by flossie · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... The profiles allegedly set up by her ex-boyfriend contained nude photos of her ... (Note: The member profiles have since been taken down by Yahoo).

    Someone doesn't have a very high opinion of /.ers!

    1. Re:Important note? by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Important note? by karnal · · Score: 2, Funny

      One of the few times that /.ers would want to RTFA... er... pictures...

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  4. You know... by Goronmon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can understand she is upset and wants some compensation for the "emotional stress" such an incident might have caused, but... $3 million...are you serious?

    1. Re:You know... by nebaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If nothing else, it may be an amount to get Yahoo to take this seriously. Probably not $3 million worth, but I doubt that's even what the person wanted. They just wanted the pictures down. This may be done for the principle of the thing. Expect a settlement.

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    2. Re:You know... by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Informative
      In our finger-in-the-chili, burned-by-hot-coffee, neighbors-dog-barked-at-me-and-scared-me, overly litigious, self-serving, money-hungry society...
      You might want to learn more about the hot coffee lawsuit before you include it in your rants.
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    3. Re:You know... by haystor · · Score: 3, Funny

      If my ex-girlfriend put pictures on the web and used chat rooms to get women to show up at my workplace demanding sex I think $3million would be about right. I have no idea how I'd come up with the $3million though.

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    4. Re:You know... by Jboy_24 · · Score: 5, Informative

      First this article
      from a coffee maker states the recomended serving temperature is 75 degrees C (167 fahrenheit). The correct Brewing temperature is 185-195. But rather then nit-pick about temperature. Here's why McDonalds lost: ( Mcfacts snipped from a site, others collected elsewhere)

      1: The injured women initially wanted $800 from McDonalds to pay for extra medical bills, to which McDonald's dismissed.

      2. Evidence showed that McDonalds served their coffee so hot to save money. This let them get away with a cheaper grade of coffee and cut down on the number of free refills they had to give away. McDonalds executives testified that they thought it would be cheaper to pay claims and worker's compensation benefits to people burned by their coffee versus making any of these changes. (source http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/essay_mcdonalds.htm )
      McFact No. 1: For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

      McFact No. 2: McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more than 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the past decade have been settled by the Corporation - and yet they never so much as consulted a burn expert regarding the issue.

      McFact No. 3: The woman involved in this infamous case suffered very serious injuries - third degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a seven-day hospital stay.

      McFact No. 4: The woman, an 81-year old former department store clerk who had never before filed suit against anyone, said she wouldn't have brought the lawsuit against McDonald's had the Corporation not dismissed her request for compensation for medical bills.

      McFact No. 5: A McDonald's quality assurance manager testified in the case that the Corporation was aware of the risk of serving dangerously hot coffee and had no plans to either turn down the heat or to post warning about the possibility of severe burns, even though most customers wouldn't think it was possible.

      McFact No. 6: After careful deliberation, the jury found McDonald's was liable because the facts were overwhelmingly against the company. When it came to the punitive damages, the jury found that McDonald's had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct, and rendered a punitive damage award of 2.7 million dollars. (The equivalent of just two days of coffee sales, McDonalds Corporation generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.)

      McFact No. 7: On appeal, a judge lowered the award to $480,000, a fact not widely publicized in the media.

      McFact No. 8: A report in Liability Week, September 29, 1997, indicated that Kathleen Gilliam, 73, suffered first degree burns when a cup of coffee spilled onto her lap. Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns occur at this temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability to the victims for many months, and in some cases, years.

      It all comes down to, if you are in the business of dealing with materials you know are hazerdous (as was proven in the case, McDonalds knew the coffee was hazerdous), you are responsible for selling such materials in a safe maner because the consumer expects you to do so. If you were "Battery Acid King" and sold sulphuric acid in open topped beverage glasses, people might assume you don't think its dangerous.

    5. Re:You know... by Jboy_24 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      McFact No. 1: For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

      I wasn't aware that there was a federal regulation that required coffee to be served below a specific temperature. Oh... there's not? If it's so damned dangerous, why not?!?!


      The whole point of the civil courts is to allow regress of issues wihtout the need for endless federal regulation. Perhaps you'd like a federal regulation listing the maximum tempurature of all hot fuilds (itemized by distinct type of course, since coffee and Capachino would be different)? Maybe we should forbid starbucks from creating new drinks until the regulators have time to add it to the list? Or perhaps we should rely on the courts to punish stupid companies when their greed makes them create dangerous products?

      McFact No. 4: The woman, an 81-year old former department store clerk who had never before filed suit against anyone, said she wouldn't have brought the lawsuit against McDonald's had the Corporation not dismissed her request for compensation for medical bills.

      Again, it's a matter of liability. If they compensate, it opens the doors for further requests for compensation (yes, I understand that they'd settled other cases... still...)


      SO your point is ... they shouldn't settle with her, even though they often settle because settling with her would mean they would have to settle often?!?

      Of course this makes perfect sense when you consider settlements are most often public and Court cases are most likely handled under NDA's... oops maybe i got that backwards...

      McFact No. 5: A McDonald's quality assurance manager testified in the case that the Corporation was aware of the risk of serving dangerously hot coffee and had no plans to either turn down the heat or to post warning about the possibility of severe burns, even though most customers wouldn't think it was possible.

      The risk of 7-11 selling hot dogs is that someone could choke on it and sue them. Should they stop selling dogs? No, that would be unreasonable.


      Lets consider if 7-11 imbedded into their hotdogs large unchewable pieces of plastic that they expected customers to remove before eating so they could save on meat. That they provide no warning that you should remove the plastic or esle you could choke and die. Finally at 7-11 they served them in the bun, covered in condoments ready to eat.

      Yet they state to the court that they expected and belived that everyone who bought one returned to their homes, dug out the plastic then ate them. Then you would have an analogy.

      Hell, they sell 1 BILLION cups of hot ass coffee a year... obviously someone likes it that way.


      Is the reason they buy coffee at McDonalds is that its 'hot ass', or is it because they like some other food product that McDonald's serves in the morning? As well, is the reason McDonalds serves its coffee 'hot ass' is because people like it that way or is it because they can use an extra cheap variety of grinds because no one will figure out it tastes like ass when its 'hot ass'? (What was admitted to by McDonalds in court)

      But then, maybe I'm missing all the people who line up at McDonalds just for the coffee (while I'm in the rather long line at Pete's) or maybe you should work on your reasoning skills.

  5. Before we all flood archive.org.. by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 5, Informative

    I tried it, They don't have either profile. No google cache either. :(

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  6. Forget fingers in food... by null+etc. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This might become the newest husband-wife scam to extort money out of large companies.

    1. Re:Forget fingers in food... by Xzzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only until the ISP sets up a mail account you can send complaints to, and they yank the page down without research in about 30 seconds.

      At which point it becomes a weapon to silence people who disagree with you. ;)

  7. Yeah, usenet is much more effective by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Funny

    If he'd posted them there, they would still be circulating. See, a distributed, redundant architecture protects you from a single point of failure.

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  8. Apologies. by captnitro · · Score: 2, Funny

    "This thread is useless without pics."

  9. Re:omg where r the pics!?111one a/s/l by gowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Big fucking deal. You don't need to be of high moral virtue (whatever that might mean) to deserve sufficient privacy to keep private information off the net.

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  10. Well I guess the real question is... by kmartshopper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... is she hot?

  11. Don't be silly! by overshoot · · Score: 4, Funny
    Someone doesn't have a very high opinion of /.ers!

    /. has upstanding members, and this article no doubt is of great interest to them for its pubic-policy implications.

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  12. Yeah, she could have put them up herself by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think she will have a hard time with this case, proving that she didn't do exactly that.

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  13. Re:Why sue Yahoo and not the ex-boyfriend? by CrawlingEvil · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article:

    Barnes sent Yahoo a letter in January saying she did not create the profiles and wanted them removed. Additional attempts to get Yahoo to remove them in February and March did not get a response, the lawsuit claims.

    So, basically, she's suing because Yahoo left the images up for three months after being contacted and asked to take them down. Considering her personal information went along the photos, not acting on the information in a timely fashion is pretty serious, because it helped prolong her harassment.

    As for the boyfriend, he should probably be brought up on criminal charges.

  14. *sniff, sniff* by d474 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...something smells like a scam here.

    BF: "How can we get rich, honey?"
    GF: "Take nude photos of me, then we 'break up'."
    BF: "...and..."
    GF: "Then you post them at Yahoo membership profiles..."
    BF: "...and then..."
    GF: "And then I gently ask Yahoo to take them down - if they take too long, we sue for..."
    BF: "$1000 ?"
    GF: (in a Doctor Evil imitation) "Three mill-eeee-own dollarz!!!!"
    BF: *scrambles for the digital camera*

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    1. Re:*sniff, sniff* by d474 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Exactly.

      GF: "We'll have to stay apart for at least a year or so, until things cool down...I'll, err, meet you at...the Starbucks in the Mall of America on January 3, 2007...yeah, that's it."
      BF: "I'll miss y..."
      GF: "...just get the damn camera."

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  15. Re:View the photos here :0] by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 4, Funny
    http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ccb4play/my_photos

    You're welcome :0]


    Nothing comes up.

    WAIT! Let me rephrase that!

    (accidently clicks submit)

    damn.
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  16. Re:I don't think they're liable. by geomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They aren't responsible for what other people do with the web space any more then a Bar is responsible for drunk driving.

    There is plenty of case law holds that bars and taverns are liable if they knowingly serve people who are visibly intoxicated who then drive and kill or injure someone on the road. If Yahoo was asked on more than one occasion to have the information removed, they could be held liable.

    As I said, that is what the court will decide in this case.

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  17. Re:Why sue Yahoo and not the ex-boyfriend? by naoursla · · Score: 3, Funny

    She should have invoked the DMCA to have them removed.

  18. Re:Why sue Yahoo and not the ex-boyfriend? by chadjg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, it is serious and possibly criminally creepy behavior by the ex. If I had to guess why Yahoo left the pictures up I'd say that it is a result of bureaucratic inertia and laziness.

    But I do think that Yahoo should leave them up until it is proven that the boyfriend didn'thave the right to post the material. Being an asshole is not necessarily a crime. If Yahoo takes stuff down on demand, without any kind of proof at all, people will abuse the process for fun and profit.

    Perhaps proof was offered, I don't know, but assertion doesn't equal proof. Yahoo is screwed either way.

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  19. Re:Who's got the Mirror/Cache of the pics? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone suggesting that anyone who got to these pictures share them is getting modded "Troll" but seriously now, how many people in here went straight for those pages and wanted to see them? People are (generally) hypocritical about things like this. They wouldn't want it to happen to them but they want to see it when it's someone else.

    Asking for the pictures isn't being a Troll. It's being pretty much human. We're a species of voyuers for the most part.

    And yes, I replied to this particular article just to make sure I could find the URL that the AC responding to it posted when I get home.

    But at least I'm honest about it.

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  20. Don't get your facts about lawsuits from lawyers by Ryan+C. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is the most self-serving bunch of tripe I've read this year.

    McFact: 185 degrees is the proper temperature for coffee, not a problem to be solved.

    McFact: Some other restaraunts had it 20 degrees lower out of fear of lawsuits and at the expense of the coffee's taste.

    McFact: McDonalds refused her original claim not because they were being jerks but because if they admitted fault, they would be open for even more lawsuits.

    McFact: Lack of personal resposibility is ruining many of life's experiences for everyone.

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  21. Serious Issue by airship · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've been trying for a year to get classmates.com to remove the listing for my wife, who died. It's seriously disturbing to go up there and see her still listed. So I don't go anymore.

    The issues of who owns accounts, how they are handled when someone dies, and whether a host is responsible for verifying information in a public listing, have simply not yet been addressed, even though the web is 13 years old.

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  22. OKAY HERE THEY ARE! by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://forumpics.info/Yahoo-pics/

    Didn't get but the thumbnails, but they are good enought o see what's going on. :)

    1. Re:OKAY HERE THEY ARE! by AsnFkr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh hell naw.

    2. Re:OKAY HERE THEY ARE! by bluedream · · Score: 5, Funny

      Umm.. Is that her with the dog?

      No wonder she is sueing.

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    3. Re:OKAY HERE THEY ARE! by madgamer · · Score: 2, Funny
      wow, that was ruff.

      (sorry, couldn't help it)

    4. Re:OKAY HERE THEY ARE! by brkello · · Score: 2, Informative

      As "Informative" as this is...I don't know how wise it is to be modding it up without a warning saying that it is explicit.

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  23. Re:Don't get your facts about lawsuits from lawyer by Mononoke · · Score: 2, Interesting
    McFact: 185 degrees is the proper temperature for coffee, not a problem to be solved.
    Not in a paper cup it isn't.
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  24. Re:Armchair legalistic speculation is teh suck. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does not matter. The rights belong to the photographer.

    Only the ownership of the video or photo, which doesn't mean they have the right to publish it.

    That is why people who film complete strangers and win on shows like America's Funniest Home Videos cannot be sued for the prize money by those strangers. It has been tried probably, but I have been unable to find any case where the videographer has not prevailed.

    Maybe becasue of this little requirement for submissions to AFHV:

    Entrants whose clips are chosen for inclusion in a program must sign a Release and Indemnity in the form presented attesting, among other things, to the fact that they are the rightful owners of the submitted clips and that the clip may be submitted and broadcast without obtaining permission from or making any payment to any third party. All persons appearing in the clips must sign consent forms and/or releases (which shall grant to Producer the right to use such person's name, voice and likeness) before the submission can be eligible for prize awards. Parent or guardian must sign the consent/release form for minors. Failure to provide requested releases and/or consents will result in disqualification of entrant. These release and/or consent forms will be provided by the Producer. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the submission of a videotape constitutes the submitter's permission to use the videotape (and the name, voice and likeness of the submitter) in and in connection with the program and all exploitations thereof, including, without limitation, advertising and promotion and, further, constitutes the submitter's representation that all necessary consents and permissions therefor have been obtained.

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  25. Re:Who's got the Mirror/Cache of the pics? by Kymermosst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are (generally) hypocritical about things like this. They wouldn't want it to happen to them but they want to see it when it's someone else.

    Yeah, the Germans have a word for it, too: schadenfreude.

    Literal translation: Damage joy.

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  26. Don't ask yahoo, use /. by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heck, if she'd posted this to /. in the first place, we could have taken down Yahoo all by ourselves.

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  27. Re:The best part is... by ramunas · · Score: 2, Funny

    your grandmother??... holy crap.

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  28. don't be dumb enough to pose for nude photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the photos don't exist in the first place, then they cannot be put on the internet.

    This is common sense and worked well into the middle 1990s.

    1. Re:don't be dumb enough to pose for nude photos by LilGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People haven't understood the power of the internet yet though. Sure you could always take dirty photos and risk your ex showing them to everyone you know. But NOW, they can show them to everyone you know, and everyone you might meet.

      People will come around tho.. either we'll stop feeding peoples' bad ethics (spreading gossip), or people will wise up.

      I wouldn't hold my breath on the ethics issue.

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  29. Re:Don't get your facts about lawsuits from lawyer by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Informative

    McFact: 185 degrees is the proper temperature for coffee, not a problem to be solved.

    McFact: McDonalds made it a choice to brew, store, and serve their coffee beyond the normal 185F. The manual in the 80s listed 195F. Rather than using thermometers they turned up the heat to boiling and turned it down a notch resulting in a pour temp of over 195F, into sealed styrofoam mugs.

    McFact: 185F coffee does not cause 3rd degree burns. 2nd degree burns are possible. Surgery and skin grafts are not required for normal coffee spills.

    McFact: They were aware of the problem but refused to turn down their pots just a notch.

    McFact: A reasonable restaurant, whether big chain or small fry has insurance, and so long as you provide photographs will pay for reasonable damages and even offer a small amount of pain and suffering.

    Best example. I had deep fried oysters at Ivers... and broke a tooth on a pearl. I spit out the pearl and tooth fragments and filed an accident report. They agreed to pay the dental bill and offered a small amount for suffering. McDonalds refused to pay medical expences and got sued.

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  30. Re:Don't get your facts about lawsuits from lawyer by ubernostrum · · Score: 4, Informative

    Get your facts from the court documents and findings. There was clear evidence of contributory negligence on the part of McDonald's, and the court punished them for it. Note also that the court found both parties responsible (that is, both Stella Liebeck and McDonald's), so your "no personal responsibility" spiel can go suck it, as far as this case is concerned.

  31. minor details you got incorrect by megalomang · · Score: 2, Informative

    From your source, the woman was seeking $20,000 to cover her medical bills, but McD only offered her a measly $800.

    And, the woman received $160,000 in compensatory damages plus $480,000 (i.e. 3x compensatory) in punitive damages.

  32. coffee ignorance, and other trivia by justins · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants.

    The ideal temperature for brewing coffee is just under the boiling point, you want it as hot as possible without "burning" it, something unfortunately not possible at home given the low power of most of our coffee makers, unless you buy a pretty exotic one. It shouldn't be left sitting around long before serving, either.

    I realize that it's a false dichotomy since we're talking about McDonald's coffee, but still, there is a tension between having good, fresh coffee on the one hand, and accomodating the amazingly stupid people who can't be expected to hold a cup properly on the other. Most places accomodate the stupid people, since they're obviously a pretty big chunk of the population. But still, it's a shame.

    Third degree burns occur at this temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability to the victims for many months, and in some cases, years.

    The fallacy here is that you're going to transfer the heat to flesh at all efficiently by splashing the liquid over it, such that the flesh will reach the same temperature as the fluid. Hopefully the average Slashdot reader sees the BS here.

    It is really just a shame that our society is being shaped to accomodate the stupid, boring people in so many areas and so many ways. They ought to stay at home where they won't get hurt, eat their TV dinners and avoid sharp objects and dangerous ideas.

    It all comes down to, if you are in the business of dealing with materials you know are hazerdous (as was proven in the case, McDonalds knew the coffee was hazerdous), you are responsible for selling such materials in a safe maner because the consumer expects you to do so.

    We've really dumbed down the definition of "hazardous", haven't we? Stay off those stairs! They are hazardous!
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  33. lawandhelp.com, huh by jbellis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm quite sure that these fine upstanding "Cleveland and Columbus, Ohio, medical malpractice, wrongful death, auto accident and personal injury attorneys and lawyers dedicated to vigorously representing the injured" don't have an axe to grind.