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Earthlink Sponsors Cheap Linux PCs

prostoalex writes "Earthlink and Microtel are offering cheap Xandros-based computers to anyone who's willing to sign up for Earthlink dial-up service at $22 a month. The desktops on Microtel Web site start at $70 for a basic AMD Sempron machine, Microtel laptops start at $399. ExtremeTech says there is also a SkypeOut gift certificate: 'All Xandros PCs and laptops include free Skype-to-Skype calling worldwide, plus an exclusive bonus voucher for up to 120 minutes of SkypeOut calling to any phone number in the world.'"

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  1. Bill Gates by mboverload · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could Bill Gates be right about hardware costing dirt in the future? Since they are selling this on software Gates is kind of 100% right.

    1. Re:Bill Gates by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course he's right, but its not happening because he said it.

      Mobile phone companies have been like this for years, its just an expansion of that.

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  2. A Nice Move by hoka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm glad that more companies are starting to pick up on cheap hardware combined with free software. This will be great for the "moms and pops" who don't care about what they use as long as it works. By offering lots of cheap (with specific hardware) companies can reduce costs for support since there arn't options. It's undercutting the competition just like Ford did, you can have "any color you want, as long as its black". Looking at the specs on the system they don't seem that bad, comparable to a deal Frys had a few weekends ago where you could pick up a full system for $100 (Sempron, CD-Rom, Harddrive, case etc). Some ram upgrade and those machines would probably be plenty for most users.

  3. This could be great for Grandmas by putko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they make it so simple that they send it to you, you plug it in, and it works, that's really great for unsophisticated computer users.

    I wish them the best of luck.

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  4. It's aaaalive! by Crimson+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I understand the purpose of this, however I cringe whenever I see dialup being promoted into longevity.

    The internet content of today chokes on dialup. The internet content of the future will not be able to live without broadband.... so why promote expanded use of any kind of dialup? Are we still in an age where there are enough people without broadband (or the cash to afford it) that we must cater in this fashion? Should this be so, efforts to bring prices down in the broadband market and increased efforts towards greater availiability (though less of a problem now) are far more meritorius than taking a dead horse and pulling a Frankenstein on it.

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  5. $22/month for dialup? by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > [$69.99] with a 12 month EarthLink membership subscription at $21.95 per month

    Well, at least it's running Linux. Because on dialup, it'd probably take at least 12 months to download the patches to secure XP.

    If you've got $21.95/month for dialup, but don't have an extra $2-4/month for DSL from your phone provider (or $20/month from your cable provider), you've got no business spending $333.39 ($69.99 + 12 * 21.95) or "$69.99" for a low-end PC with no monitor.

    Use $300 to buy a year's worth of broadband, and with the remaining cash, support your nearest surplus store ($50) or computer recycler ($10), garage sale ($50), or even lighten the load on your apartment's dumpster ($0.00).

    1. Re:$22/month for dialup? by vondo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, at least it's running Linux. Because on dialup, it'd probably take at least 12 months to download the patches to secure XP.

      Umm, I hate to break it to you, but every month I have to download about 200MB of updated RPMs for the various Mandrake and Redhat distros I run/admin. It's fine on broadband, but it is in no way a lower volume of updates than XP.

  6. Sweet deal! by markov_chain · · Score: 2, Funny

    All Xandros PCs and laptops include free Skype-to-Skype calling worldwide

    Wow, that's generous! Now if only their internet access offered free access to CNN.com and slashdot.org, worldwide, I'd be putting in my order right away! :^)

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  7. About time... by Prod_Deity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worked for an out sourced call center for Earthlink in late 03. At that time, Earthlink didn't support Linux at all.

    I had about 3 calls about people wanting to set up Kppp, but I was told by my supervisor to not say anything but "Earthlink does not support any linux distribution"

    One other call was someone calling for a number, but at the time we had to ask what OS they were using, and I did as my supervisor told me to do....

    Right after I gave the statement, the caller gave me an ass chewing, saying that he just needed a number because he just moved to a new state.

    I'm glad to see that one of the bigger dial up companies has changed their stance on Linux... or have they? Anyone know?

    1. Re:About time... by th3space · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked for them from whenever they acquired Mindspring until some time in '02 (I'd actually been with Netcom, then Mindspring, then Earthlink), when I got fed up and left...but I was in the hosting group, and we really didn't bother with who was running what, given that we only cared about their sites working (and only tenuously so, at that)...

      Why do I mention this? Well, not only did Earthlink not support Linux externally, they didn't support it internally, either...the hosting and dedicated groups both ran two systems, one Windows (for issue logging, supposedly..I used mine for fuckall) and one *nix (which was pretty much whatever flavor we wanted to use, given that we were the ones who had to fix it if it broke)...granted, if you managed to get over into those groups, you already had a clue as to what you were doing, and you could manage on your own, but every now and again, one of us would end up with some kind of problem and have to rely on others in the group or the systems engineers to help out...I miss that fun, little anarchistic group I worked with...

      Now, I know next to nothing about what Earthlink does these days in terms of support for OSs (internally or externally), but the capability for them to support *nix exists, given that at one point their web servers ran Red Hat (mindspring platform) or Solaris (earthlink platform)...it can't be too terribly difficult to come up with an easily read, step-by-step configuration walk-through (which even in house our dialup and broadband groups relied upon, and I'm sure they carried on that tradition when they started moving things out of house and overseas)...but I'll be damned if I'm going to be the one to call them and find out.

      Of course, they could just as easily support ONLY Xandros on the PCs they've put out, given that it would be standardized and they would know definitively what would need to be done to configure whatever dialer that they had put in place, and then tell people using other versions to go fly it up a flagpole...actually, having worked there, I'd feel pretty safe in assuming that this is exactly what they would do...Xandros=Support / Fedore!=Support.

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  8. This sounds familiar by wallykeyster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Didn't PeoplePC try and fail at this just a few years ago? I don't remember if they were using Windows on the boxes, but the business model of dial-up and "free" computers didn't pan out then. What has changed?

  9. Yum, yum, free beer! by rhu · · Score: 2, Funny

    It worked so well for PeoplePC and freepc.com. They'll be losing money on every unit, but heck, they'll make it up on volume, right?

    What the mom-n-pop's-mom-n-pop crown really need is a machine that skips the os and boots straight to Yahoo!

  10. Button Stealing by Zoc_All_Alone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a little unnerving when I view their website and realize they stole their "Customize It" buttons from Dell.

    1. Re:Button Stealing by syukton · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's important to qualify "stole" here.

      Their sizes are identical. 1423 bytes.

      Did a "save as" with firefox.

      >fc /b img.aspx.gif icon_customize_it.gif
      Comparing files img.aspx.gif and ICON_CUSTOMIZE_IT.GIF
      FC: no differences encountered

      img.aspx.gif is from the Dell Home website. The other is from Microtel.

      hmm.

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  11. 2.0 ghz Sempron 2200? by bombshelter13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Under 'processer', it says 'AMD 2.0GHz Sempron Processor 2200+'.

    Do even a tiny ammount of Googling, and you will see that the Sempron 2200+ is a 1.5 ghz chip. So, this means one of two things... either A) they're blatently lying about the clockspeed, or B) they're pre-overclocking the chips... which is the case?

    If they're saying it's equivelant to a 2.0 ghz Intel chip in speed (which most AMD fans, myself included, would agree with), that's one thing. If they're pre-overclocking the chips, that's another (which some people will support, and others won't)... but in either case, they should be clearer in what they're saying and doing, since the way they're saying things now is somewhat suspicious.

  12. Re:Xandros... by Yim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've had a lot of seat-time with Xandros (Corel Linux) and have been pretty impressed with its abilities out-of-the-box. It's got a decent debian style package builder, which isn't completely reliable with rpms straight-through, but works well with deb packages. 3.0.1 OC runs KDE 3.3, which isn't my cup of tea (wmaker) but works well for those used to a pure GUI environment. It lends its flexibility quite well for those who are used to a *nix environment, as it builds source just like any other, but has the easiest install program this side of Mandr(ake/iva), and it all fits on one CD to keep costs low for a machine as one would only need a CD-ROM drive. My biggest gripe is that the CUPS network printing tool is pretty craptacular, as it takes some screwing around to make it not just find but print to the network printers, but Samba seems to be right at home. Overall, it's probably one of the better Linux standalone operating systems that Grandma Smith could probably handle installing and using on a daily basis. It's no OS X, but isn't a Gentoo bitchfest.

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  13. Even the Windows versions come with OpenOffice by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some nice things about these boxes:

    They're actually cheaper with Xandros than with XP. Not by much, but I guess that means they're actually paying Xandros and not Microsoft.

    They all come with OpenOffice. Even the versions with WinXP. And MS Office is clearly listed as a (very) pricey option.

    This makes it very clear that, even for users not ready to adopt Linux, there are big cost savings to be had by adopting OOo.

    Now if all vendors would start offering Firefox and OOo on their boxes (with or without WinXP), that might make a real splash.

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  14. Good move, Linux = $$$ by xiando · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Get customer to sign up and get a cheap computer
    2. Get customer hooked on your service and *SUPPORT*
    3. Years go by
    4. ???
    5. Profit !!!

    Linux is not that easy to use and they will surely need to provide some support, but the profit in having the customer this hooked on your support is probably worth it.

  15. Earthlink + Skype? by sydsavage · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sure that skype is going to work great over Earthlink dialup.

  16. Re:$22/month for dialup!!?? by denofslack · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The deal part about this is that you're paying $200 over the course of a year, with no financing or interest charges.

    So you pay $70 for the desktop (plus shipping) and $21 per month for the dial-up service.

    I can imagine a lot of people wanting a cheap server or another pc in the home hopping on this, even if they already have broadband.

    Hell, if I needed another machine, I'd do it in a heatbeat. And I'd never log into the Earthlink account, and would cancel after a year.

  17. Re:Xandros... by jrboatright · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes. I've been installing Xandros on essentially anyone who's computer I got tired of fixing hag ridden copies of windows on.

    It installs from a single CD.

    It looks and feels a lot like windows

    It just works, out of the box. I have yet to have it fail to find and install the correct video, monitor, and sound on any computer which was running win95/98/me or 2000.

    It runs just find in 128 meg of ram, and WILL run in 64.

    But since I don't give Aunt Bee and Counsin Fred the root password, they can't hopelessly screw it up. OOO, Firefix, T-Bird, GNUCash, and a few other simple tools, and they're set for life.

    Works great. Not reccomended for Linux wonks. But for Aunt Bee, it's great stuff.

  18. But will it handle Japanese in 64M? by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is the question I need answered.