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The Microsoft Millionaires Come of Age

iseff writes "The NYTimes is running a story about the ways in which Microsoft millionaires are putting their money to use. According to the story, there is somewhere around 10,000 Microsoft made millionaires spending money on various pet projects. For example, former programmer Chris Peters bought the PBA (Professional Bowlers Association), while Stephanie DeVaan founded a political action committee and Rich Tong founded Ignition Partners, a VC firm."

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  1. Microsoft for Microsoft. Microsoft that matters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't we talk about Google instead?

  2. $60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Funny
    And one William Gates put $53 million back into the economy the old fashioned way by building a house.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=bill+gates+53+milli on+house

    1. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by Neopoleon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "And one William Gates put $53 million back into the economy the old fashioned way by building a house."

      Along with over $25 billion to charitable causes.

      http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

      He deserves the house, I say.

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    2. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Interesting
      William Gates put $53 million back into the economy the old fashioned way by building a house.

      Not too shabby. But Mikey Dell's little ranch cost more.

      Odd part is, he pay less in property taxes than me.
      (Average tech worker with average house in same area)

      http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/ 2985061
    3. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by wft_rtfa · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well at least people in the software industry spend there money more wisely than people in the entertainment industry.

      After all, Gates said he's going to give away all his money to charity before he dies. Most millionaires would spend this money on their childern to have many generations of wealth, fancy cars with spinning rims, or gambling in Las Vegas. I'm sure you've all seen MTV Cribs.

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    4. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by CharlieHedlin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course that is for the house, land and everything. Gates house was 53 million by itself.

      The fact that Michael Dell is using an Ag exemption on his house is just wrong, but I know many people who do it, and it isn't just in Texas.

    5. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by johansalk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can someone tell me the tax advantages of "charitable causes"? I often heard the philanthropic interests of the rich often had more to do with managing their taxes. Also, to what extent are his charitable donations are "real", either by not being tax write-offs, or, for example, software to schools that really costs FAR less than its advertised value and is actually of strategic benefit.

    6. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by vitamine73 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      he might be a great guy and all ...

      but the same year he started providing grant money for research at my university, they signed an exclusivity agreement with microsoft... that means that they started dismantling the mac equiped labs (we would have no more if some faculty members had not fought against it!), and that it is now a hassle for researchers to buy macs with their own research grants! Giving away a few hundred thousand dollars here and there in exchange for valuble contracts does not seem so charitable to me!

    7. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by antic · · Score: 4, Informative


      Slightly related to your post:
      http://www.actionaid.org.uk/1674/press_release.htm l

      Talks about "real" aid figures, and what percentage of quoted aid is actual aid and not debt relief or administration, etc.

      10% of US aid is real. UK 71%, Luxembourg 81%.

      "In Cambodia, they found that the cost of 740 international advisors was $50-70 million, almost as much as the wage bill for the country's entire civil service of 160,000 people."

      Very subjective, but interesting to consider.

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    8. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by Mydron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only do you get the tax advantages of being able to write off a portion of the charity, but if you happen to be so rich to afford your own "charitable foundation", there are other benefits as well!

      For example, you can afford to pay your friends and family handsomely for their management of the foundation. (In politics this would be called a patronage appointment) In Bill's case, his Dad and a former Microsoft executive. Although I'm sure they just happen to be exactly the right kind of people to lead such an esteemed organization.

      Also, you get the glamour and praise of fellow socialites and the plebs at large. This is especially helpful if you are battling an unfortunate image as a cold-hearted corporate capitalist. Now, folks like the grand-parent poster will kindly note your philanthropy at every turn. This is true even if your foundation does very little charitable work.

      For example, if you check out the financials of the foundation you can see that they pay out three times less in contributions than what they make from investments!

    9. Re:$60 Million House - Trickle UP Economy... by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoa, wait... Someone on Slashdot... defending Bill Gates... and getting modded up to +5 Insightful?

      I think I just heard the fabric of space-time tear.

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  3. And bill bought... by Virtual+Karma · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And bill bought all these

  4. Pshhhhhhhhhh by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chris Peters bought the PBA (Professional Bowlers Association), while Stephanie DeVaan founded a political action committee and Rich Tong founded Ignition Partners, a VC firm

    Those were the ones that I felt spent their money foolishly. Personally, I planned to make my money really make a difference, so I invested it in RAMBUS's RDRam, SCO's OpenLinux, and those great people at Maui eXtreem that brought us CherryOS, to just name a few. I also have some money in some really rather secret business, but I can tell you this much... apparently a prince somehow somewhere is being locked captive in a sewer ditch, twelve KM outside of Falusia, Iraq, but he managed to get to a terminal somehow, find me, and ask for some assistance. I stand to make millions by helping this individual simply move his money to a safe place. Now that is smart business.

    Soon I will be on TV telling Donald Trump, "YOURE FIRED..... NIGGA!"

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  5. This is getting beyond sad.... by SeventyBang · · Score: 3, Funny

    There is around?

    It's time for some of the "special ones" responsible for posting the material to step aside. This is getting more than silly.

    It's time to clean house and boot the idiots.

    It's not fair to those who submit the stories, only to have some moron with special privileges " edit " (mangle) them to make them grammatically incorrect - mostly, because they don't know what they are doing. I have an authoring background worthy of doing this and I'm certain there are others as well.

    It's time to put them out to pasture, but not to stud. We don't need those genes to continue.

  6. Embrace, extend, swing, release... by Empiric · · Score: 3, Funny

    For example, former programmer Chris Peters bought the PBA (Professional Bowlers Association)... If you can't beat them... just redefine the value of "splits".

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  7. A Million dollars doesn't go as far as it used to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tried shopping for a house in New York City? Being a millionaire used to mean you were rich. Now it just means you are middle class with some savings.

  8. Re:I know it is capitailism and all... by NitsujTPU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently you don't understand what it means to charge too much.

    Charging too much puts you in the poorhouse. Charging what the market is willing to bear makes you wealthy.

    It sounds to me as if they are charging correctly. Now, if you want to argue that they have monopolist tactics and such, well, you could build an argument, but to say that charging too much made them wealthy merely shows that you are arguing that MS should be some sort of charitable organization.

    I don't think that I would ever go to any company VP (and I know a few) and tell them "You know, we make too much money around here, lets lower prices."

  9. Re:Microsoft for Microsoft. Microsoft that matters by songofthephoenix · · Score: 3, Funny
    If it makes you feel any better..

    FTA:
    As Mr. Sage put it, "It's like a little bit of Bill Gates came with us when we left."

    *holds vomit in*

  10. Re:it's funny by DigitlDud · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft gives a crapload of money to different causes though. In fact I think they're number one when it comes to philanthropy. For example, if an employee donates to a charity the company will give twice that.

    Especially with the liberal area the Microsoft headquarters is in, it's almost a given that they give tons of money to "disadvantaged" groups.

  11. let me guess... by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...buying themselves a new soul?

  12. Re:it's funny by nomadic · · Score: 5, Informative

    how nobody spends their money in ways that could help others. Microsoft alone could solve the world's hunger problems. They could cure all the curable diseases. They could save the 33,000 kids that are dying every day because they're hungry.

    Okay, okay, we all know MS doesn't give a flying piece of bird crap about people, no matter who they are. But still, it's really sick to see some of the things on which they spend their money...


    Bill Gates has personally spent more on charity than everyone who reads slashdot combined. He spent $28 billion endowing his foundation, and they do a lot of good work in, for example, third world health issues.

    Whatever Bill Gates' flaws, and he has a lot, he has been very generous with his money.

  13. Bob Wallace (1949 - 2002) by xee · · Score: 3, Informative
    "Bob Wallace was a software pioneer, the ninth employee at Microsoft, the worlds top amateur neuroscientist, and a visionary philanthropist who laid the financial foundations of The Heffter Research Institute. He was also one of the most patient and caring people one would ever meet. When he died of pneumonia at an untimely 53, we lost a great and good friend."
    -Heffter
    Bob Wallace was indeed an incredible character. I was lucky enough to meet him in a USENET group focused on recreational chemicals. He replied to one of my first posts, and I immediately realized there were some amazing people lurking in the USENET. Indeed some great things have come from the micro$oft billion$. Rest in peace, my friend.

    NY Times Obit, A.D.P
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  14. Re:How many millionaires in the making still at M$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, Microsoft has a culture of pushing talented folks out the door and putting the bureaucrats in power. I guess it's a natural evolution for the company, but I have to say that in the seven years that I was with the company, it went from being very entreprenurial to being a place that I no longer felt was worth investing in as either an employee or shareholder. In the three years since I left the company, the stock price has stayed flat and innovation has come to a standstill. While there are still people who remain with the company that I have a great deal of respect for, that number is dwindling quickly. Many in high-level management add little to no value to the company, what us old assembly programmers would refer to as a NOPs.

    For what it's worth, I've used my time and money to start up a new company. I don't want to sit around all day long and do nothing. While I really enjoyed working for Microsoft, I have to realize that that chapter in my life is closed and that there are so many other cool things that can be done.

  15. Chris Peters wrote the original mouse driver by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember the old bus mouse that Microsoft sold? It was their very first mouse, and it needed a hardware interface on an ISA card. I reverse-engineered that driver, and made my own hardware interface for the S-100 bus which could talk to that mouse. Along the way, I noticed a secret string in the driver that said "Chris Peters rules OK!". That was back in 1984 or thereabouts. I'm glad to see that Chris has done well for himself.
    -russ

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  16. Re:Not news. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nothing wrong with that. It does feel good to be liberal.
    Ra Ra!

  17. US 2001 Federal Income Tax Returns by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    $75,000 under $100,000 - 8,903,894 returns
    $100,000 under $200,000 - 8,469,199
    $200,000 under $500,000 - 2,018,372
    $500,000 under $1,000,000 - 355,617
    $1,000,000 under $1,500,000 - 85,479
    $1,500,000 under $2,000,000 - 36,492
    $2,000,000 under $5,000,000 - 52,157
    $5,000,000 under $10,000,000 - 12,266
    $10,000,000 or more - 6,836

    21% of the tax returns pay roughly 55.9% of the Federal Income Tax, the 6836 at the top, pay 3% of the Federal Income Tax

    http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0, ,id=96981,00.html

    1. Re:US 2001 Federal Income Tax Returns by An.+(Coward) · · Score: 3, Funny

      21% of the tax returns pay roughly 55.9% of the Federal Income Tax, the 6836 at the top, pay 3% of the Federal Income Tax

      It's grossly unfair for the top n% of taxpayers to pay >n% of total taxes, and even these flat tax proposals going around don't adequately address this grotesque injustice. I suggest that instead of our current "progressive" system or any of these half-assed flat tax rate schemes, we just charge everyone a flat amount.

      Obviously we can't charge children until we get rid of these antiquated child labor laws and make them productive members of society. But given a budget of about $2.5 trillion, that should work out to a ballpark figure of about $10,000 per worker.

      Sure, it's a bitter pill for some people to swallow--it's roughly 100% of the gross salary of someone working full time for minimum wage. But hey, if that's not an incentive to work harder and find a better-paying job, then what is?

    2. Re:US 2001 Federal Income Tax Returns by killjoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WOW, they sure are getting a fantastic deal from the US govt. the top 21% of the earners in this country control over 90% of the wealth and yet only pay 55.9% of the taxes.

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  18. Crap, simple crap in the Times. by bmwloco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did anyone read the piece of propaganda? Only the online NY Times site (not in my Sunday NY Times) has the following:

    "Julie Bick is a former Microsoft employee and the author of "The Microsoft Edge." (Pocket Books, 1999). The people she interviewed for this article include some friends and former co-workers."

    Yeesh. Talk about product placement and corporate tail wagging the dog...

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  19. Re:10,000 millionaires? what's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That is just obscenely absurd for one company.

    I don't understand why this is a problem. A "company" has goals. They figured out, as a company, how to achieve those goals. The people rewarded are the owners, and sometimes the employees. If the employees didn't get the cash, it'd have just gone to the owners. This should be perceived as a great thing!

    The wealth of the company, and their employees is a testiment to the fine job they did, as measured by the votes of their customers, in the form of money spent.

    Any comments that this is obscene is pure jealousy.

  20. Re:Depends on how you view the economics by Behrooz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the $25 billion he's donated to charity probably would've done more good if left in the hands of the people who were overchargd. ...or the people who were 'overcharged' could have chosen not to purchase the product, if they happened to think that it wasn't cost-effective. There are always alternatives.

    Just a thought about free markets.

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  21. Keep it hush-hush by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But by 2002, she was itching to do more, so she put her wealth to work in support of abortion rights and helped to found a political action committee called Washington Women for Choice.

    Although Republicans are usually pro-business, if it becomes common knowledge that Microsoft employees are dumping money into "abortion rights" groups, that could make the current administration's position on antitrust a lot less friendly towards Microsoft.

    LK

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  22. More information on the Microsoft 11 by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately, the original article has disappeared into the aether, but there's an archive.org copy of what happened to the Original Microsoft 11 here:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20040202201554/http://w ww.abqtrib.com/archives/business00/041200_microsof t.shtml