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Sony's New DRM Technique

skochak writes "Sony has introduced a new DRM scheme. You can burn a CD-R from the original once, but you can't re-burn from that first copy." From the article: "The concept is known as 'sterile burning.' And in the eyes of Sony BMG executives, the initiative is central to the industry's efforts to curb casual CD burning. 'The casual piracy, the school yard piracy, is a huge issue for us...Two-thirds of all piracy comes from ripping and burning CDs, which is why making the CD a secure format is of the utmost importance.'"

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  1. Not new! by Paolo+DF · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't a NEW technique: Philips did use it years ago with their DCC digital compact cassettes

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    1. Re:Not new! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which might help explain the extreme popularity of the format...

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    2. Re:Not new! by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hear, hear. The MD had a LOT of potential - as a "next gent" cassete tape/floppy/etc. Yet, Sony locked the format so hard it became a hassle to use.

      I sold my MD player a while ago and bought myself a MSI 512mb MP3 player. I grew sick of having to reencode my music to shitty ATRAC3.

    3. Re:Not new! by putaro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No kidding. I went drinking with some Sony guys a long time ago and one of them was an engineer working on MD. He really didn't care for ATRAC and said the content guys forced them to do it.

      For some reason, though, MD has become very popular in Japan if nowhere else.

  2. Who will crack it first? by jasonmicron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It only took a week to crack their last attempt at enabling copy protection with nothing more than a pen.

    Who's game? :D

    1. Re:Who will crack it first? by sik0fewl · · Score: 4, Funny

      C'mon, give them some credit. If you would've read the article you posted you would've noticed that you need a marker. And with a felt tip, no less!

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    2. Re:Who will crack it first? by pilgrim23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sony has a simple solution: STOP SELLING Sony brand CDRs!! -of course, theirs has such a high error ratio that I usually buy TDK...
      To use an analogy: if a company sells super fast car engines, then wrings hands about all the terrible speeders on the highway, hypocrisy has found a new watershed.

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    3. Re:Who will crack it first? by netruner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Too bad that the use of said pen is a violation of the DMCA (circumventing access control).

      The whole IP issue has just become disgraceful. How long will this go on before people realize that the model is fundamentally flawed?

      I watched testamony given to a U.S. Senate subcomittee by a researcher (from MIT, IIRC) where he bluntly said that whatever can be heard can be copied. The only way to prevent unauthorized copies is not to let anyone hear the music. All attempts at labeling unauthorized copying as "stealing" have fallen flat because of the lack of logic (to the layman) in "stealing" something without quantity. At some point we have to acknowledge that this problem is unique and requires a unique solution.

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  3. In Related News: by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This Copyright Method, Like Almost Every Single Other Copyright Method, can be circumvented with a simple winamp plugin.

    Make music people are willing to pay for, and cultivate mature customers.

    Oh wait, that means your greedy leech asses couldn't depend upon 14 year old girls for your revenue stream, doesn't it?

    1. Re:In Related News: by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      es, except this could be useful for more than just music. This could prevent the copies of application and data CDs.

      No it couldn't. "tracks ripped and burned from a copy-protected disc are copied to a blank CD in Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format. The DRM embedded on the discs bars the burned CD from being copied." Which I think limits it to media. Please RTFA before posting crap based on the never-reliable summary.

    2. Re:In Related News: by Nytewynd · · Score: 4, Funny

      I store all of my data in WMA files. That way I can listen to my databases on my iPod. Northwind Traders has some phat beats.

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    3. Re:In Related News: by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The assumption that I will never pay for a CD as soon as I assume it's crap is rather flawed. Last time this argument came up someone posted the link to an alternative music site where you could sample and donate for what you liked in the things you sampled.

      Maybe no rock stars have been made uber rich that way, but it's a lot more fair to the consumer, and as a consumer I'd like to say, "Screw you," to the bigger corporations involved in my music. Mainly because I've worked with / for them and heard stuff referred to as, "Content." Art != content to me, and I'm willing to vote with my dollars.

    4. Re:In Related News: by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      greedy leech asses

      Well, which are the greedy ones? The musicians who decide to sell music, or their so-called fans who want it without paying the artists?

      The only "greed" in that picture is on the part of the people that know the musician has chosen to sell their work, and yet (while claiming to like the performer, apparently) decide they want it on their own terms (i.e., "free"), instead. Turning the musician into your pet entertainment slave is greedy. Choosing to sell your music (which may indeed result in no one thinking you're worth the trouble to spend $15) is a business venture. "Ripping" off that business (such an appropriate term) is just what it sounds like.

      Make music people are willing to pay for

      Hmmm. So, if musicians do not make music that [more, non-14-yeard-olds, presumably?] people are willing to pay for, how does that legitimize ripping off what they do make? This is the part I'm always a little foggy on. If someone doesn't like the music enough to buy it, why are they willing to rip it off? If they hate the music, why do they want it? If they like the musician, why aren't they willing to enter into the same transaction that they muscian has said they want to enter into? And if you think the artist is a jerk for working within the larger, traditional music industry framework, why would you none the less want the music made by that person? I've never quite been able to put myself into the shoes of the person that says either:

      "I hate this guy because he charges for his music, so I'm going to rip off a copy and enjoy it!"

      or

      "I love this musician so much! Every time he comes out with a new recording I must show my admiration by getting a copy. It's just that I don't love him enough to actually do what he's asking and pay him for entertaining me. Too bad for him! Sucker! But I love him and his music!"

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    5. Re:In Related News: by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except that the public has the power to determine what businesses are viable

      But not by trashing the business in question. If I open a diner that's popular with lots of local folks, but a vegan/PETA type decides that shouldn't be a "viable" business because I'm serving meat, they can vote with their wallet - but they can't vote by burning down the restaurant. Further, people can't say that the only way in which they'll consider my work in the diner as viable is if I do it for free, and show me that by having me work for them (as I fix their lunch), and then skipping out on the check en masse. The point is, if I don't attract and keep customers, that's one thing. But being ripped off is another.

      Most people like getting something for nothing

      Sure, when it's offered. But most normal people (especially those that do something productive for a living themselves) would feel more than a little odd climbing over the fence of the local concert venue to see a musician they love. The point is that they claim to respect the musician (and her work), and they know that she's asking a price for entertaining people, but they're willing to rip her off anyway - even in the act of enjoying what that person does. It just suggests a real disconnect that would probably stop if they had to look that artist in the eye as they climbed over the fence. Can't you hear the conversation? "I love your music! You're so great! Now, can you help me down off of this fence so I can watch you perform for me? I didn't want to pay you."

      I suppose that if your neighbor had a really nice looking garden, you'd want to give him some money for making the street look nicer?

      No, of course not. Because I happen to know that my neighbor's enjoyment of her garden is its own reward. People who like to get paid for producing beautiful landscapes are called landscape architects, or professional gardeners. If they want to get into that (tough) line of work, that's what they'll do, and they'll find people (or municipalities, or businesses) that actually do want to improve the looks of their environment, and have other things to focus on... and hence the money they pay for the physical work, as well as the creativity of people like that. The neighbor that makes their yard gorgeous usually gets the additional benefit of inspiring other neighbors to at least put in a little effort to do the same. That's not the same as being in the landscape design business, any more than listening to the neighbor practice the violin is the same as choosing to go see a performance for which the musician has decided to charge.

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  4. Why Don't They Spend Money On Better Music? by geomon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand the impluse to optimize the amount of money returned on an investment, but this is bullshit. I guess I will have to start dumping my audio out to my hard drive and burn from there.

    These guys need a serious kick in the ass. I'm buying my son a Nintendo instead of a PS3.

    They aren't getting one more dime from me.

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    1. Re:Why Don't They Spend Money On Better Music? by mattdm · · Score: 2, Funny

      These guys need a serious kick in the ass. I'm buying my son a Nintendo instead of a PS3.

      Oooh, that'll do it.

    2. Re:Why Don't They Spend Money On Better Music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These guys need a serious kick in the ass. I'm buying my son a Nintendo instead of a PS3.

      Congratulations on being one of the few people on slashdot who understands how to really hurt these companies - make sure they don't get any more money.

      Most people seem to think that Script Kiddie Jon's latest iTunes hack will do more than annoy a few people and encourage stronger DRM.

    3. Re:Why Don't They Spend Money On Better Music? by dayid · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is exactly why any CD I burn I make an iso of. I keep my music CD's as well as my install CD's in .iso format so that I don't have to deal with this kind of crap.

  5. Yeah right by CypherXero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every single DRM scheme has been cracked before, so what makes Sony think they can outsmart everyone?

  6. Maximum Utmost by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While selling music people want to hear is, presumably, of lesser importance than "utmost".

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  7. Shhh!!! by Snap+E+Tom · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope no one finds out you can burn a gazillion copies from the CDR!

    1. Re:Shhh!!! by LSD-OBS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tricky wording in the article, but I believe they're saying you can't copy the copy; you can only make verbatim copies of the original.

      Still stupid though! Repeat after me, Sony:
      If you can play it, you can copy it.

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    2. Re:Shhh!!! by Ooblek · · Score: 4, Funny
      1. Wet-wire mp3 players into geeks and even a few wanna be geeks.
      2. Make the music tradeable only during sexual intercourse.
      3. ? (What the hell do you need to know here anyway? #2 is either never going to happen, or you'll see a lot of geeks walking down the sidewalk with a smile from ear to ear.)
      4. Profit

      I should get paid for this.

  8. Won't work. by stlhawkeye · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. Insert CD
    2. Plug audio output into sound card.
    3. Push record on digital recording software
    4. Play CD
    5. Distribute to internet
    6. You are now a criminal, via the DMCA
    7. Regardless, copy protection will not work. The only barrier is the energy barrier, and it constantly shrinks. Next?

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    1. Re:Won't work. by rokzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      no, the DMCA makes you a criminal after step 4, not step 5. copyright laws make you a criminal after step 5.

    2. Re:Won't work. by spitzak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that they are shooting themselves in the foot by trying to prevent "casual pirates". A "casual pirate" will buy a CD, just to rip it to an MP/3 file or to give it to their friends.

      If they really believe this will force more CD's to be bought, they are idiots. If it is impossible to rip the CD to some other form, the desire to buy the CD goes *down*, not up. The "casual pirate", knowing that the CD is worthless for them, will spend their time searching the internet, to find the "professional pirate" who has the necessary sound-proof room and microphones to do a high-quality rip right off the digitally-encrypted speakers. They will not buy the CD any more!

    3. Re:Won't work. by stlhawkeye · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If they really believe this will force more CD's to be bought, they are idiots. If it is impossible to rip the CD to some other form, the desire to buy the CD goes *down*, not up. The "casual pirate", knowing that the CD is worthless for them, will spend their time searching the internet, to find the "professional pirate" who has the necessary sound-proof room and microphones to do a high-quality rip right off the digitally-encrypted speakers. They will not buy the CD any more!

      It is a strange peculiarity that they're spending millions of dollars to make their product less valuable. They're betting, of course, that the lost revenue from the handful of (what they think of as) fringe "rights nuts" like the people who post here is negligable because we're all pirates now anyway. But the amount of gained revenue by stopping technically ignorant pirates should more than make up for it. Dunno if they're right or not. It's always about money. They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think it was highly likely to pay for itself and then some. And they're probably right, but the copies will still get out there and they won't stop. That's the real danger of this, is the escalating arms race.

      Company introduces mildly annoying and easily sidestepped copy protection or DRM technique.

      Content is on-line within hours.

      Company concludes that it wasn't enough and develops new, more obtrusive, more annoying DRM.

      It's cracked and the content is on-line within hours.

      Company begins to push for legislation to solve this!

      That'll be circumvented and on-line in hours.

      Company pushes for stiffer fines and more trampling on privacy rights so they can figure out who is doing this and stop them.

      Eventually this has to stop and our government is going to have to be the ones that stop them. Yes, piracy happens and probably costs them a significant amount of money but no amount of wrongdoing by a group of people justifies legislation or activity that infringes upon the rights of the innocent.

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  9. "if it can be seen [heard]..." by Speare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When will the execs stop wasting their money on all this ineffective DRM "technology"? If it can be seen, it can be copied. The profit comes from producing a complete package experience with liner notes and pride-of-bookshelf, not just the (approximate) digital waveform.

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    1. Re:"if it can be seen [heard]..." by mellon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're not wasting their money. They're wasting our money. When you buy a new PC now, you're paying for the DRM that they put in it that you didn't ask for. This will just be another thing rolled into the price. Then if they can strongarm the big PC manufacturers to include it, the only way to avoid it will be to build your own system. I really recommend the Shuttle xPC form factor - small, quiet, cheap. ;')

    2. Re:"if it can be seen [heard]..." by Council · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because it makes it hard enough.

      Sometimes, the object you want to protect only needs to be broken once to get everywhere -- i.e. mp3 trading on the internet. However, in the cases where this isn't true, you don't need to make this impossible. Just hard. You can photocopy a book page-by-page -- there's no DRM tech there. But it's hard, and so books worked. There's no reason to expect that you can't curb non-internet CD ripping this way; if they make it hard enough for the average Joe to rip a CD, schoolyard piracy mostly vanishes. That's not an unsolvable problem like p2p seems to be.

      So I hadn't heard the two-thirds figure. That sounds kinda crazy.

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  10. Amusing by Council · · Score: 4, Funny

    What if we want to copy Linux distributions to our friends? Huh, what about that?

    Wait, or was that the Bittorrent excuse? I'm getting them mixed up now. I can't believe they're stepping all over our rights to do anything we want, anywhere, with anything.
    For some reason, this is totally unreasonable!

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  11. Won't stop me... by jleq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a right to listen to my music on whatever player, in whatever format I want to. Many of Sony's new discs are "incompatible" with Apple iPods, because the music is only available in DRM protected WMA format right off the CD (they are burned in CD Extra mode). There are many ways to defeat such protection, sometimes as simple as holding down the shift key.

    If all else fails, I play the cd in a standard cd player, while recording it on my computer. I break apart the tracks later, and have the music in whatever format I want.

    If only the record industry would realize that such actions are futile, and could just give up. Most people aren't evil pirates, I just want to be able to play back music that I pay money for on whatever medium I want to.

  12. secure the format by funny-jack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two-thirds of all piracy comes from ripping and burning CDs, which is why making the CD a secure format is of the utmost importance.

    I could be off-base here, but if you change the format for whatever purpose, wouldn't it by definition not be a CD anymore?

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    1. Re:secure the format by why-lurk · · Score: 5, Informative
      Not if anyone but Sony changes it. Sony owns the CD Trademark AFAIK and thus can simply declare the new format the "CD".
      Only if you spell Sony "P-H-I-L-I-P-S", as Philips is the actual owner of the Compact Disc trademark, and is not a record label.

      Philips is serious about maintaining CD compatibility, and has forced the purveyors of incompatiple DRM schemes to clearly label that they are not compatible with the standard.

      See, e.g., http://www.spectacle.org/0702/evan.html

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  13. Math. Their Strong Suit. by Shky · · Score: 4, Funny

    Two-thirds of all piracy comes from ripping and burning CDs

    But they're using high-speed burners, so that makes it at least four thirds, right?

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    1. Re:Math. Their Strong Suit. by bnenning · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heh. That works pretty well:

      Dr. Evil: And we expect that this (air quotes) "DRM" will produce increased revenue of...(pinky to mouth) ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
      Number Two: But Dr. Evil, it will cost twice that much develop and implement. And our market research shows that we could make billions more if we were to focus on increasing the quality of our music.
      Dr. Evil: Why make billions when we could make...millions?

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  14. Casual copying by Eunuch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not a waste of time if it prevents casual copying of CD from someone who doesn't even know about ogg or mp3. This is not about having a perfect barrier to any unauthorized use. It's about making things just a bit harder to increase sales.

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    1. Re:Casual copying by shmlco · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's about making things just a bit harder to increase sales.

      Not to flame, but conventional wisdom here on /. is that NO sales are lost due to copying. ;)

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  15. Re:Backwards compatable? by Adrilla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From TFA: As for more basic CD player compatibility issues, Gilliat-Smith says the discs are compliant with Sony Philips CD specifications and should therefore play in all conventional CD players."

    But I still don't trust it and even moreso, I don't like my CD's to be crippled in any way, even backups. What if I lose the original, and can't backup my backup. Ugh. My head hurts.

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  16. Re:spec[tt] by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What we're looking at here is another bad idea. There's no technical way of enforcing what they're suggesting, the chances are this is "same old" copy prevention coupled with a few DRM'd WMV files and a custom burner that can recognize these files. Needless to say, this means the prevention only works under supported operating systems, with unsupported operating systems ignoring the restrictions completely and making copies as usual.

    In some ways, it's a positive thing. If it's a "same old prevention" system coupled with a "way out" that allows users to make a limited number of copies, then that shows Sony "gets it" insofar as they recognize people do want to make backups, quite legitimately, and shouldn't be restricted from doing what they can to protect their own works. But ultimately, we need be[tt]er solutions. These types of thing will eventually turn into effective efforts that lock out alternative platforms and technologies, undermining innovation and making it much harder to do the kinds of things that lead to the invention of the MP3 player, MP3 CD, home theatre system, etc.

    In that respect, part of the effort has to come from the grassroots music listening community. Those who have repeatedly proffered technologies that have put the music industry on the defensive in this way need to be denounced, not revered. People like Shawn Fanning are treated as heroes within the Slashdot community, but why? Making the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted music via IRC easier via the replacement of Napster? How does that help anyone? For a few years, we've had access to so-called "Free" music, but at what cost? Restrictions on our technologies, a movie industry that has treated the GNU/Linux communities as hostile by default, and more and more draconian laws. Meanwhile the artists we want to fund haven't been helped in the slightest by these kinds of technologies. We want to encourage the creation of new art, but Napster and its successors such as Kazaa have done an extraordinary amount of damage to the ability of artists to do so.

    In some ways, there's no such thing as the Slashdot "community". My guess is the majority of people reading this will be nodding their heads in agreement, but there'll be the usual gaggle of "Fight the man, why should artists be paid anyway, true art comes from love and money shouldn't exist" types itching to respond. The point though is that the system that created the vast bulk of the music we see distributed on networks like Kazaa is the system most harmed by it. And we can expect "compromises" that really don't meet us half way like Sony's becoming the norm if we're unprepared to do something about it, kicking out the rogues and piracy advocates from our midst. We need to disassociate ourselves with copyright infringement. We need to devise ways of keeping unauthorized music away from the P2P networks, and replace that content with new, original work, devising new and innovative ways to fund it.

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  17. Two thirds? by Tenken · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure everyone is going to point out that this will most definitely be cracked without much effort, what bothers me is why they're going after the casual copiers at all. They say that two thirds of all piracy happens from casual copying, how do they know this?! It seems like an excuse to go after the consumer rather than a legitimate reason. I think this statistic really amounts to nothing. We all know that what they should really be focusing on is the large-scale pirates, especially in EU markets where CD's are even more extravagantly priced than they are in the U.S. I can't imagine how much time and effort that this new protection scheme has eaten up. Shouldn't they be doing something more useful like seeking out the large-scale pirates?

  18. my favorite quote by sootman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Trying to make bits uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet."
    --Bruce Schneier

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    1. Re:my favorite quote by KMitchell · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Trying to make bits uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet."
      --Bruce Schneier


      I'd add the following:

      "Anyone who says differently is selling something"
      --Westley, The Princess Bride

  19. How evil is casual piracy? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was sort of a "late bloomer" for music. My older sister had bands that she liked, mostly picked up from friends, and certainly I had heard the Beatles and the Stones and the stuff that was on the radio. But I never really became somebody who listened avidly to music myself until I was maybe 15 or 16. I got into it after I developed a taste for the stuff that wasn't on the radio all that much. Some of the first bands I got into included old Oingo Boingo, Skinny Puppy, Front 242, GBH, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Sigue Sigue Sputnik ... connect the dots between all those bands any way you want, but the point is that I wouldn't have heard any of this stuff if it weren't for my friends who dubbed me off tapes of it. (That's right, cassette tapes, remember those?) Did I buy records? Sure. Did I buy more records than I listened to copies from friends? Maybe, but I can't say for sure that I did. But even if half the music I listened to wasn't paid for, it still made me a more willing consumer of music today. So how evil is this "casual piracy" really?

    But then, more willing consumer is one thing; better consumer -- at least in the eyes of the major conglomerates -- is another. I think I'm far less likely to buy into a lot of the garbage that's forced down the primary media channels today and far more likely to buy from independent labels/genres than most Americans. All that piracy in my youth made me more likely to spend my money on music today, but it made me less likely to spend my money on "the right music," as far as Sony is concerned.

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  20. A Step in the right direction? by nokiator · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Despite all the criticism that is likely to flame on this thread, this is a step in the right direction. I rahter see Sony focus on preventing people from making copies of copies instead of making copies of originals.

    There is really no way to prevent technically savy people from making copies of content which is distributed on media that does not have user specific encryption without owning the complete system that is responsible for playback. I am sure the long term dream of Sony is a transition from the relatively open CD format to something more proprietary like SACD. In the short term, they have to deal with CDs, which represents more than 99% of the music that is sold in stores.

    Sony's goal is probably to make it difficult enough to copy coied CDs such that 90% or 95% of the people don't bother to deal with it. A copy protection system that is tedious enough to break can be commercially successful even if it is a technical failure.

    Of course, the basic flaw in this system is that most people who copy music are not that conscious about the quality. Ripping the tracks from a copied CD to MP3s and then burning them back on to a CD would defeat this sytems with some loss of quality.

    1. Re:A Step in the right direction? by shamowfski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ripping the tracks from a copied CD to MP3s and then burning them back on to a CD would defeat this sytems with some loss of quality.

      So would taking an image of the disc initially instead of burning it to another CD-R.

    2. Re:A Step in the right direction? by B2382F29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ripping the tracks from a copied CD to MP3s and then burning them back on to a CD ...

      ... is probably the most stupid thing i ever heard. If you rip the music from the CD why would you save it as MP3 instead of a lossless codec before burning it back to CD. BTW, Sony's New Copy Protection is nothing special. It even adheres to RedBook standards. The only thing preventing copy is a program running from the CD when using a certain Redmond OS.

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    3. Re:A Step in the right direction? by evilmonkey_666 · · Score: 2, Informative
      "The only thing preventing copy is a program running from the CD when using a certain Redmond OS."

      Disable autorun - problem solved!

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  21. Not a CD by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing is clear -- the resulting disk is not a CD! This means it will not work on the millions of CD audio players in existence. So what consumer in their right mind would want this? No one... so the next step for Sony is to figure out how to FORCE it on us.

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    1. Re:Not a CD by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It complies with the redbook standards, why is it not a CD?

      From TFA:
      Under the new solution, tracks ripped and burned from a copy-protected disc are copied to a blank CD in Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format. The DRM embedded on the discs bars the burned CD from being copied.

      I'm having problems finding mention of Microsoft WMA and DRM in the redbook standards...

      It may be that the original CD (if that is the source material) is redbook compliant [I didn't see a mention in the article], but clearly any copied CDs are not and most likely will not be playable in standard CD players... so what's the point?

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  22. Details of First4Internet DRM implementation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The First4Internet CD copy protection technology destroys the registry keys (driver device names) associated with your CD-ROM devices. Then a monitoring app allows or disallows access to the device.

    The monitoring app is buggy. If it stops running or loses your device references, you will have to reinstall windows to make your CD-ROM devices work again.

    Also, by messing with the internal driver properties like this, many apps simply hang or crash the system when trying to access the device.
    You can forget about using your legitimate buring software after putting one of those CDs in your computer...

    -- anon DRM developer

    1. Re:Details of First4Internet DRM implementation by dmeranda · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So it's a virus then.

      What we need is more DRM, something like MS Trusted Computing to protect us from this other....! Oh wait....

      I like how Sony made a point of saying the discs conform to the Phillips CD spec. That still doesn't mean the CD is "pure", and that it is being deceptively marketed and sold.

      Leave it to the Music Distribution Cartel to team up with the Software Monopoly to insure that everybody is screwed over; listeners as well as artists.

      My immediate question is if these discs will work fine under non-Microsoft OS's and devices. Is the music still encoded in normal Audio CD format on the discs if you ignore the extra data portion.

    2. Re:Details of First4Internet DRM implementation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Above confirmed. This is exactly why you should disable autoplay (or just hold Shift while you boot).

      Naturally, other than that, it's a partial-mixed-mode CD; first session contains audio tracks with a slightly malformed TOC, and second session contains just data track, which will be autoexecuted in a dumb machine if you don't hold Shift.

      This really doesn't bring anything to the table that hasn't been brought before in terms of basic technique. Additionally, the payload definitely qualifies as malware, and therefore should really be removed by an antispyware, who have traditionally held the grounds of safe removal of malicious software created by companies; or even a competent and ballsy antivirus (surrepetitious install damaging system configuration, no safe uninstall, bundled with shiny features = Trojan horse).

      My suggestion is to use Exact Audio Copy, set up correctly (use Secure mode with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache) combined with Plextools Professional (set Enable Single Session mode before you insert the disc, and rip at a maximum of 4X) in a Plextor CD-RW drive (ideally the Plextor Plexwriter Premium). You can make a perfect copy of the actual CD-DA audio that way, burn an audio CD-R from the WAV/CUE pair if you wish, and - if you have a modicum of sense and don't wish to keep a disc with a live piece of malware in your CD collection - return it to the shop for a full refund, because hey, it doesn't work in your car/walkman/whatever. Sprinkle on additional this-stupid-CD-broke-my-computer rant should you wish. And release to BitTorrent... a stupid record company that puts malicious software on their CDs frankly deserves everything they get.

      -- another anon anti-DRM developer

    3. Re:Details of First4Internet DRM implementation by evilmonkey_666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a pre release disc and am trying the method you describe.

      I can rip the first track OK, but EAC refuses to read the rest and claims they are data tracks.

      Any ideas? Thanks

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  23. From the horse's mouth by FromWithin · · Score: 2, Informative

    "XCP aims to offer a reasonable level of protection against 'casual piracy' while working to provide the authorised customer with a quality digital music experience together with DRM features for controlled copying on their chosen platform. If data in any format is digitally written to a compact disc or DVD then it can be read from that disc in some way. XCP is designed to give a level of protection that will make it suitably difficult for the general consumer to copy and/or illegally distribute the content of the disc."

    http://www.xcp-aurora.com/xcp2.aspx

  24. Re:I don't understand... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, the way I see it, this still allows for fair use under the law as it's written. Who cares if you can't copy a copy?

    No, fair use allows for any use, so long as it is fair. There's some tests to check for fairness, but there is no kind of use that can never be fair (or that always is).

    As for who cares, I care. The point of having backups is that you expect that eventually you'll lose the master. In such a case, you'd better be able to make further backups from backups.

    But more significantly, what happens when the copyright expires? I can then lawfully make as many copies, from whatever source I have handy, for any purpose at all. Will this DRM magically evaporate? Or will it keep me from enjoying my rights?

    That's the problem with DRM. It is inflexible, it is permanent, and it is designed with stupid assumptions in mind. We're better off getting rid of DRM altogether.

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  25. The amusing thing is.. by SocialEngineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most of the pirates they are fighting against aren't even interested in purchasing the music, and wouldn't even if they had to. Most pirates I know do it just because it's fun. It's a challenge - who can get the latest Britney Spears album out on FTP, IRC, and P2P networks the fastest. Adding DRM just ups the anty, making the game even more challenging - the only people it really hurts is the consumer. The music lover. The honest people who want to listen to music.

    I stopped buying new CDs of artists under the RIAA months ago, and couldn't be happier. I rip all my music @ 320kbps, so buying a used, slightly scratched CD doesn't bother me.

    If you are willing to be patient and keep an eye out, you can make it being perfectly legit AND not supporting an unethical industry - I picked up the latest NIN album used @ Slackers this weekend, and it just came out recently. I live and breathe music, and have a very large, extensive collection.

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  26. Re:spec[tt] by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree with you on some points there is one glaring problem with your argument, and that is what a great perpetual motion machine the recording industry has become. Artists / their supporters who say, "Well, I want the system to work for me," are looking at the top .01% of their profession and assuming / dreaming that they will someday be there. If the system reaches its collapse sooner rather than later, I'm all for it. It's not like there will suddenly be NO revenue stream for artists. The streams will simply be different.

    However, since the industry is propelled to its incredible heights of profitability by fux0ring 99.99% of the artists, through creating a limited monopoly built upon advertising and rather shady market squeezing, I'd like to think that I as a consumer have been rather deserted somewhere along the line. Ergo, I am deserting the system IF, and I'm not a big pirater, so I don't do this much, but IF I go through other channels for music acquisition.

  27. Re:I don't understand... by FooWho · · Score: 3, Funny
    But more significantly, what happens when the copyright expires? I can then lawfully make as many copies, from whatever source I have handy, for any purpose at all. Will this DRM magically evaporate? Or will it keep me from enjoying my rights?
    Nah... They'll just pay some congressman to extend the copyright term again.
  28. Re:spec[tt] by BungoMan85 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We want to encourage the creation of new art, but Napster and its successors such as Kazaa have done an extraordinary amount of damage to the ability of artists to do so." None of the musicians I know seem to be having trouble creating music these days. Oh wait, you meant top 40 "artists". If you want to support the creation of art, buy demo tapes/vinyl and go to a show and buy merch there.

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  29. Stored as WMA on CD by augustz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These CD's are actually using WMA in data mode or whatever the equivalent is.

    From the article:
    "Under the new solution, tracks ripped and burned from a copy-protected disc are copied to a blank CD in Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format. The DRM embedded on the discs bars the burned CD from being copied."

    So you don't really get to burn a CD that can be used with your Ipod, old CD player on boat.

    Am I missing something?

  30. Maybe it is quite simple by ndansmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of burning the protected CD to CDR, rip an ISO. Then you have a nice file which can produce an unlimited number of CDRs and can be distributed quickly with BitTorrent.

    1. Re:Maybe it is quite simple by Yer+Mom · · Score: 2, Informative
      Why is it that all other goods or services folks reasonably expect to pay and accept restrictions on what they can do with it.
      Er, no. I buy something, it's mine. I get to do whatever I want with it, within the bounds of the law.

      A loaf of bread doesn't come with an EULA prohibiting you from making sandwiches with it, even if the baker would rather you buy his sandwiches instead. My car didn't come with a notice stating all my rights to use it would be revoked if I replaced the gear knob with an 8-ball. I can pick up my pen and use it to write a review stating that the pen is a piece of shit and not worth the money, and there's nothing the manufacturer can do to stop me, provided I tell the truth.

      So why should music and software producers be able to put in licence terms that I can't see until I've bought the (non-returnable, or at least not-easily-returnable) product telling me that I can't do things with their product, even though those things are perfectly legal, and perfectly acceptable to the average guy in the street?

      Screw 'em. Screw 'em right up the arse and back down again.

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  31. Excellent post. by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You're absolutely correct in that we need to encourage new business models, while at the same time discouraging rampant copying and theft.

    If people would simply grow up, stop expecting something for nothing, and pay for value received, we wouldn't have all of these DRM issues to contend with in the first place...

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  32. iPod/iTunes ? by Tsiangkun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    quote FTFA "Among the biggest headaches: Secure burning means that iPod users do not have any means of transferring tracks to their device" Secure burning means iPod users have no motivation to purchase music from SONY, when an unencumbered version will be available on p2p networks within hours of the cd reaching the public.

  33. Round File Storage by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The CD is no longer the best storage medium for music. Sure, they cost only $0.20:GB (for quality CDs that last more than a couple of years), but they're split onto 6-800MB volumes. Which must be managed by hand, or by inadequate jukeboxes, which are large, very expensive for real automation, very slow for "random access", and have limited capacity even at the (consumer) high end. While hard drives cost $0.38, with a combined random-access volume (PC + 4 EIDE drives) as little as $0.60:GB.

    With the automation comes convenience, including playlists of all your music, accessible from any Net connection (including your smartphone, plugged into your car stereo, etc). When they change the physical format from 25-year-old "Compact Disc (TM)", your harddrive can ignore the change, and accommodate the new data. When they change the data fromat from CDDA, just run a converter app. None of that works with CDs.

    CDs are still a great distribution format. Putting something in people's hands, that they can just pop in a player for music, will remain popular for many years. Virtual distribution has its own virtues, but even cheap, ubiquitous, transparent, wireless, superbroadband won't replace the physical ritual of handing someone something shiny anytime soon.

    Sony is obviously blind to this distinction. They're stuck with the CD they invented (with Phillips inventing the data/software) as just "the medium", the product, without seeing its collapse in face of competition with online storage (as opposed to "nearline" storage in CDs). Like the rest of the inbred recording industry they lead, they're working against the distribution benefits of simple CDs, trying to hold on to CDs as storage media. Perhaps to their dying breath.

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    1. Re:Round File Storage by typical · · Score: 2, Informative

      LVM handles both adding physical volumes and removing physical volumes from a logical volume group. I'm not familiar enough with Windows' logical volume mechanism to say whether or not it can do so.

      If you specifically want parity (i.e. RAID level 5), then LVM alone won't solve your problems, since it doesn't do parity generation.

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  34. This is what killed DAT. by Bassman59 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is all ancient history, but DAT was killed by a similar DRM scheme. Consumer DAT machines were sold with S/PDIF digital interfaces, whereas pro machines (like the ubiquitous Panasonic SV-3700) had both S/PDIF and AES/EBU.

    The main difference between the two interfaces (other than the obvious -- S/PDIF is on unbalanced 75-ohm coax and AES/EBU is on balanced RS422) is that S/PDIF machines have to honor the SCMS ("serial copy management system") bit in one of the control subframes. AES/EBU does not.

    SCMS works in the same way as this "new" scheme. As you record from a digital source (over S/PDIF), the recorder looks at the state of the SCMS bit in the incoming data stream. If the bit is set, then the machine will refuse to record. If the bit is not set, then the machine will gladly record -- but it inserts a set SCMS bit into the the recorded data. So when you go to copy your copy, you're locked out.

    This, in and of itself, didn't kill DAT. DAT was killed because pro machines were substantially more expensive than the consumer machines (I remember paying a grand for a TASCAM DA-30 when DAT was still very much a viable format). Consumers weren't willing to pay a lot more to get a feature they wanted -- the ability to make copies of copies.

    "Those that ignore history are condemned to repeat it." Or something like that.

    Now, of course, S/PDIF still exists. I know that some S/PDIF interfaces (the CardD Digital, for one) let you disable SCMS. The most common use for S/PDIF these days is digital transfer from a DVD player to a home-theatre multichannel amp. Dunno if you can route that audio to a digital recording device and have it record.

  35. What neighborhood do YOU live in? by Mr+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can't say, "Don't say you'd move" because that's the problem. The correct solution is to move. Just like a distrobution based business model is no longer viable; they need to move. Businesses have a right to do business, but there is no right to profit. There is no value-added from their distribution and it's no longer required. Their business model has gone the way of the milkman and the icehouse.

  36. Re:I don't understand... by golden_spray · · Score: 2, Informative
    No, fair use allows for any use, so long as it is fair. There's some tests to check for fairness, but there is no kind of use that can never be fair (or that always is).

    Fair Use is a legal term. It defines a small number of uses of a copyrighted work that are not considered infringing. Basically Fair Use defines situations where one can use a copyrighted work without requiring the permission of the copyright holder.

    Any use that is not covered by the Fair Use provisions of the various copyright acts is infringing. The Fair Use exceptions are quite well defined, although the major copyright holders enjoy trying to shrink them down. I'm fairly certain that any commerical use is considered infringing.

    Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
  37. Re:Backwards compatable? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I still don't trust it and even moreso, I don't like my CD's to be crippled in any way, even backups. What if I lose the original, and can't backup my backup. Ugh. My head hurts.

    Notice how none of these folks hoisting DRM on us are even trying a little bit to help us with these concerns? They're telling us that they're giving us limited licenses to music, movies or software, but they have very few, if any, provisions to help us get replacement media if ours happens to fail.

    The reason for this is very clear to me. They make money off of me buying the same music more than once. Furthermore, by limiting the copying of digital music, they're actaully guaranteeing that I'll need to buy the same music more than once if I should ever have to, or just want to, replace my computer.

    They're complaining about casual piracy, but what they're giving us in return is forced obsolecense for something that shouldn't by its nature have any shelf life at all. They won't come out and say it, but they're happy that Vinyl, tapes and CDs were so fragile and they're kind of pissed that the technology exists for us to keep our music forever. Remember that line from Men In Black? "Now I'll have to buy the White Album again." They actually count on us paying multiple times for the exact same product. It's a business model.

    Look, if it's just a license, then give me a way to keep that license if my media goes bad. If it's just media, then let me treat it like it's media and stop treating me like a criminal if I want to copy it. If you're going to declare war and force me to upgrade my media every few years, don't be surprised if I take your challenge and find a way to, well, not make that upgrade. You already got my money once so leave me alone.

  38. Re:spec[tt] by AndersOSU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way I see it there are three types of music artists who are affected differently from record sales. Basicaly there are two revnue streams for an artist, concerts and albums.

    The first type of artist makes almost no money, plays small clubs, and maybe has an indie record out. This type of band wants his music to be copied and distributed as much as is humanly possible. Since these bands at best break even, and likely take a loss on recording sessions to make CDs they need the word to spread. When enough people have heard of them in your town they make a couple of bucks playing at the bar on the corner.

    The second type of band has a major record deal. They are seing revenue from their album sales and they like it. They think that piracy is bad because their label tells them so. They make most of their money from touring, plus they're living the rock and roll lifestyle (or hip-hop, or whatever) so they really don't care about piracy, so long as people pay to see them in concert.

    The third type of band is too popular for their own damn good. They make loads of money from albums and sell out stadiums. They might actually stand to make more money if piracry was made impossible. But can you really feel bad for bands like U2 and Metallica who supposedly are doing it because they love the music, but then bitch about not getting whats theirs?

    The moral of the story is the only person who piracy is hurting is the label itself. They see declining sales and have to attribute it to something. Of course their ability to recognise, recruit, and foster talent hasn't waned, so it must be the evil internet.

    Look at the the state of rap. When it started with Snoop and NWA back in the day it was edgy and said something about the artists culture. I don't know how it got mainstream exactly, but once it was there we got Vanilla Ice and Marky Mark. Well fortunately that died out quickly, but now that rap is fully main stream we have Ludacris rapping about the Number One Spot, Eminem and his Balls and Every rapper and their cousin talking about Krystal, Bentleys, and rims. No one can honesly say that rap has gotten better with increasing comercialism.

    The solution? Get clear chanel radio dismantled under some kind of anti trust lawsuit or something. Allow independent radio stations to take back some ground. Get said local radio stations to not play shitty music (*cough* Ashlee Simpson).

    So the summary is that corporate radio (MTV included), and bloated record labels are killing music as an artform. And pircay is biting the greedy bastards in the ass. People will always pay to see a concert. People won't always pay for shitty CDs.

  39. Re:Backwards compatable? by evilmonkey_666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have tested the XCP2 copy protection system on a pre release disc. It will play on CD and DVD players. But it won't work on Macs or under Linux.

    When you play it on a computer or DVD player you are not listening to the CD content but rather low bitrate DRM files squeezed into a 80 mb partition.

    The effect of this is twofold.

    1) The sound quality is crappy.
    2) There is less space on the rest of the disc for the real music (only about 60 minutes!)

    I will *never* buy an XCP2 disc. It installs software automatically when it is inserted into a windows computer. There is no 'OK' or 'I agree' button. It just does it without telling the user, I doubt these discs are legal and I can smell a lawsuit coming if they actually try and sell these trojan ridden discs.

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  40. Don't get burnt, follow the law! by greyfeld · · Score: 3, Informative
    We already have this DRM scheme in place. It's called Serial Copyright Management System and has been required on all digital recorders since 1992. The manufacturer's of DAT recorders, CD recorders (set top models) and the media labeled for music already pay a tax to the RIAA and consumers who use these technologies cannot be sued.

    http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2001-all/samuels-2 001-04-all.html

    What's so different about this other than it prevents burning on a CD-ROM? If you want to burn CD's to your heart's content without fear from the man, just follow the law http://www.virtualrecordings.com/ahra.htm.

    Link to previous comments on this issue.

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=104952&cid=893 7703

  41. Re:Backwards compatable? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how exactly do you propose to fight them back? In courts? You will be buried instantly under paperwork and litigation costs (see Bruce Almighty for example).

    Well, actually I was refering to a fight that's a bit more subtle. I'm normally a pretty good boy. I buy CDs. I avoid p2p. I've even downloaded from iTunes (though it's not my preference because of the aforementioned forced obsolecence and because of the lower music quality). But if my iTunes music goes belly up because I can't get a proper backup then I won't even consider buying another copy. I'll "pirate" it.

    Right now I have a few hundred cassettes. Some are in fairly bad shape because cassettes are kind of fragile. I'll be damned if I'm going to rebuy all of U2's and the Talking Heads' early work just because the music industry is going to lable me a "pirate" if I don't. I bought that stuff once and I'll continue to use it, through downloads if neccessary.

    It pisses me off because I really do try to do the right thing. I know it's not fair to just download thousands of dollars worth of music that I never paid for so I just don't do it. But I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me I have to re-buy music I already own. Think about it, they're doing this and at the same time labling _me_ the pirate. Just who is robbing who?

    TW

  42. Re:How is those supposed to stop me now? by fupeg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeah I was wondering the same thing. The details in the article are not only sparse, they are poorly written. Here's what it sounds like to me:

    1. Bob buys new Carrie Underwood CD.
    2. Bob puts new CD in his Windows boxen.
    3. Windows Media Player auto-runs.
    4. Bob selects Rip from WMP.
    5. WMP recognizes some Clever Sony Bits on the CD and adds some Clever Sony Bits to the WMA files, making them WMA+CSB files.
    6. Later... Bob decides to make a copy of his new CD to give to his friend.
    7. Bob puts blank CD in his computer selects burn from his computer's default CD burning software
    8. The CD burning software goes through Windows to convert the WMA+CSB files to wave files for the CD.
    9. Windows sees the Clever Sony Bits and adds modified ones to the CD being burned, indicating that this CD is a copy.
    10. Bob gives the copy to his friend.
    11. Bob's friend tries to rip the CD on his Windows boxen, but Windows recognizes the Clever Sony Bits and shuts him down.
    Of course if you don't use WMP to rip, or even if you do but choose to rip to MP3, then I don't know how any of this still works. Clearly Mac/*nix people have little to worry about, but that probably doesn't matter to Sony.
  43. Re:spec[tt] by jmanforever · · Score: 2, Informative

    "When it started with Snoop and NWA back in the day..."

    Back in the day??!! You're not very old, are you.

    As far as I can remember, it all started with Wonder Mike, Master Gee, and Big Bank Hank - three guys known as The Sugarhill Gang, followed up with artists like Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, Run DMC...

    "People will always pay to see a concert. People won't always pay for shitty CDs."

    I have to agree with you there.

  44. First4Internet messing with network drivers too? by beeblebrox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Messing with CDROM drivers is scummy enough, but could they be messing with network drivers too?

    A pass-through NDIS driver would make a grat tool for spying on, oh, say, p2p traffic?

  45. completely worthless and here's why... by KillShill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the cd audio standard is by itself completely without DRM (if you ignore the pathetic copyright flag that all software ignore). in order to hack on a drm scheme that's truly effective you would have to break compatibility with 99.99999% of all cd audio players in the world today.

    so you can see why this is a complete and utter failure. even on a windows machine... people use their own software to extract audio and write to new discs. and with autoplay turned off or disabled temporarily, this hasn't a chance in hell of working. even modestly smart computer users can break this in their sleep. and those who aren't can simply ask one of their more capable friends to do it for them.

    dvd-audio and sacd though on the other hand, those are worthless DRM-encumbed formats that are anti-customer. hopefully they'll never become more than a niche.. even if the RIAA were to be disbanded, DRM shouldn't ever be used by anyone.

    robbing us of our cultural heritage is high treason as far as i'm concerned.

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  46. Here's a way to defeat any audio CD DRM crap by brother_b · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get an audio CD burner that ignores SCMS (an old retarded DRM system that sets a no-copy bit on audio CDs) and can use plain CD-Rs that accepts digital input. They can be pricey, though, as they are marketed as pro equipment (the "consumer model" ones you can find at Circuit City and the like typically honor SCMS and require those "audio" CD-Rs). The one I have is a HHB from several years ago. However, it can blast through any DRM brain damage because if a CD player can play to a digital output the recorder can copy it. The resulting copy will be both SCMS free and free of whatever brain dead DRM scheme was used on the original. This copy can then be ripped normally to MP3 or whatever.

    Sure, this can also be done entirely with a PC if you have the correct setup, but as a standalone audio recorder is not a PC no DRM scheme that could cripple a PC can affect it. Also, your copy is better in general since the recorder is designed to be high quality audio equipment.

  47. This Just In! by calyptos · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sony is losing money on their sales of CD burners, Sony begins demanding more piracy to cover the losses.

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  48. Refresher course in crypto theory by foo23 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As Cory Doctorow put it (in his talk to the Microsoft Research group to be found here):
    ... Cryptography - secret writing - is the practice of keeping secrets. It involves three parties: a sender, a receiver and an attacker [...]. We usually call these people Alice, Bob and Carol. [... A few explanations of cipher, ciphertext and key] In DRM, the attacker is *also the recipient*. It's not Alice and Bob and Carol, it's just Alice and Bob. So Alice has to provide Bob - the attacker - with the key, the cipher and the ciphertext. Hilarity ensues.
    1. Re:Refresher course in crypto theory by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simply enough for your simplistic analogies that "just dont work", hows about we dwelve deeper into what DRM does..

      There is an Alice, Bob and Carol. Bob just happens to be a mediator (MS Bob of course..) that receives all the data, and then determines if Carol has the correct permissions to accept the data.

      It just so happens that Bob is a software construct running on a computer in possession of Carol.

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  49. Isn't it amazing? by prozac79 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Isn't it amazing how, for the past few years, the music labels have been blaming online music piracy as the reason why they are loosing money. Now they come out in this article saying that "school yard" piracy makes up 66% of music piracy. That means that physically handing out copies of CDs to friends and family beats online piracy at a ratio of 2:1. If that is the case, then why has the music industry been focused on P2P apps instead of staking out school playgrounds and parks so that they can bust people for making these rampant, illegal transactions?

    Either the music industry is performing really bad studies on copyright infringement or they haven't done any studies at all and are just making up numbers to scare people into thinking a problem is bigger than it really is. I hate it how the RIAA and its friends are always shifting what the big problem is in order to compensate for their outdated marketing model. Yesterday it was online piracy, today it's school yard piracy, tomorrow it will be non-commitment piracy because you didn't buy your government-mandated 3 CDs a month to keep the recording industry alive.

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  50. Re:I do not think it means what you think it means by Adrilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's the thing. I agree with everyone who's replied to me so far, I'm just trying to explain why Sony would do such a thing. They believe they're being robbed, they believe that copyright infringers are thieves, and this gives them the beliefs that they have the rights to protect their "homes" any way possible and they're not moving. I believe that I won't be playing devil's advocate anymore.

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  51. I've got a better idea by Yakko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about, instead of trying to rationalize why I should run Kazaa or something else that uses up all my bandwidth to download free songs, movies and other trash, I simply don't bother wasting my time? I don't download crappy content I know I won't enjoy, and my decision costs me nothing.

    The MPAA isn't pleased with people like me, who throw $6.50 their way via a matinee showing every two years, and that's only if I get dragged to the theatre by my workmates. To add insult to injury, very few of the DVDs I buy pad the coffers of the MPAA. Likewise, the RIAA is pretty pissed at people like me, who just STOPPED buying mainstream CDs 10 years ago, and only buy used CDs these days. But the RIAA doesn't have too much to gripe about, seeing how they're getting 75% of the iTunes Music Store money I spend, and even then it's not the hundreds every month they'd -really- want me to spend.

    If something regarding the content is problematic (WMA-only files, no true a-la-carte cable channel selection, 100 channels of digital turds posing as a cable "product," highly-priced cable, movies and CDs, 20min of commercials before the previews, etc), I'll learn to live without that content. This philosophy works (for me), after all, and I get to keep my money. It's my very small way of letting offending entities know that they should eat shit and die without breaking any laws, real or imagined.

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  52. It's a lie by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you RTFM, you'll see that they don't even let you burn an audio CD even once. And that makes sense, because working as the soundbite describes (instead of working the way it really works) would be impossible.

    All they do, is supply some software (which I bet only runs on one single platform -- guess which one) which will encode the music in some weirdo proprietary format that most CD players cannot play. Then they let you make one copy of those unplayable files.

    And somewhere, some snakeoil salesman is snickering that idiots in the music industry bought into this "technology." This is yet anecdote that makes me think, "ya know, I really ought to try out evil, at least for a few months. Just defraud a few people, then retire. It looks so damn easy!"

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  53. From ripping and burning? by MisterMoney · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Two-thirds of all piracy comes from ripping and burning CDs"


    and here I'd been brainwashed into thinking that it was mostly from P2P networks...

  54. They have finally realized.... by Macrolord · · Score: 2, Funny

    From "The Article":

    "The industry is keen to make sure that is not abused by making copies for other people that would otherwise go buy a CD."
    I wouldn't otherwise go buy the CD, so....hand me another blank please......[click][burn]Thanks!

    Glad they finally realize that not everyone who wants a copy is a prospective paying customer.

  55. Re:Backwards compatable? by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stripped to its essentials, what you really want is a free upgrade of your collection to CDs.

    I don't really have a dog in this fight, but stripped to its essentials, it seems you're saying the RIAA has a right to use DRM to lock purchased music to a piece of media and do away with fair use rights. This is how people lose their rights - one small abdication at a time.

    I'll paraphrase the GP and agree with him: If the industry doesn't provide a reasonable path for full fair use rights, then they deserve to lose the copyright protection for whatever product is on the DRM'd media. Corporations should not be able to claim protection under a law while disregarding part of it.

  56. Re:Backwards compatable? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I sympathize with your thought proccess, but I don't think very many people would consider 128kbps MP3s to be above and beyond the quality of a brand new factory cassette tape. I certainly wouldn't. I'm not looking for an upgrade. I'm just looking for a mechanism to enjoy the music I already paid for.

    But I have a question for you. Would you consider it "piracy" to download an e-book because your water-damaged paper book is unreadable? Would you consider it "piracy" to download a "pirate video" filmed with a camcorder to replace a scratched DVD?

    In both these cases, there's no qualitative improvement in the replacement copy. If you still would consider this piracy, then maybe you could tell me why it's wrong? Personally I care a lot less about the law than the ethics of the situation. Is it ethical?

    TW

  57. Re:Who wants to see everything? by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 2, Informative
    this gave dd a read error which caused it to abort.

    Try dd_rescue, it is designed specifically for reading from media littered with read errors.

  58. Reinstall windows? by lildogie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like I don't do that every few months anyway.