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Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released

Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.

Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."

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  1. Yes but... by yogikoudou · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does it run Linux on my Mac x86 ?

  2. in other news.. DUKE NUKEM FOREVER RELEASED! by perler · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a brillant marketing sting, Steve Jobs of Apple, the Debian Developement Team and 3DRealms united and tried to get the attention of the world today by confirming the long rumored news of the release of their respective flagship products, the Intel-microprocessor based "Macintosh Computer", the linux operating sytem "Debian 3.1" and the so called first person shooter game "Duke Nukem Forever" within hours and by doing so slashdotting the website "Slashdot.Org" - the only thing of the whole internet thought to be unslashdottable.

  3. Mail to debian-announce; news on www.debian.org by Josh+Triplett · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mail to debian-announce

    News on www.debian.org

    Congrats to the Debian project!

    1. Re:Mail to debian-announce; news on www.debian.org by tacocat · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know if you are upgrading from stable or not, but you need to upgrade using 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and sometimes need to run it more than once. This prevents things from getting screwed up during the installation process.

    2. Re:Mail to debian-announce; news on www.debian.org by cortana · · Score: 4, Informative

      The difference is: 'upgrade' will never change what packages are installed; 'dist-upgrade' will.

      Say woody had a package foo, and sarge has a package bar, which replaces foo. 'upgrade' will not install bar and remove foo, whereas 'dist-upgrade' will.

      Of course, if you read the release notes, you'd know all this... ;)

    3. Re:Mail to debian-announce; news on www.debian.org by Josh+Triplett · · Score: 3, Informative
      Of course, if you read the release notes, you'd know all this... ;)

      Another important item from the release notes:
      The recommended tool for upgrading between Debian GNU/Linux releases is to use the package management tool aptitude. This tool makes safer decisions about package installations than running apt-get directly.

  4. Congratulations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Direct download links at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/. Bittorrent, Jigdo or direct ISO downloads (CDs or DVDs).

  5. Coincidence? by hunterx11 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In a rare show of solidarity with Apple, the Debian maintainers decided to stay with XFree86 instead of X.org when they heard that Apple was switching to x86.

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    1. Re:Coincidence? by lakeland · · Score: 4, Informative

      Er... no. Debian announced it will be moving to xorg as soon as xorg makes a proper release instead of a legacy release. I think debian was the first distro to announce a switch to xorg, though I may be wrong.

      In order to get off the ground quickly, xorg has been releasing versions based on xmkmf that have only really been tested on x86 and ppc. That's great, and means 90% of the people reading this can run xorg now instead of waiting six months for a non-legacy version.

      Debian has been about doing things right, and waiting until they can do things right. They don't want to change to the transitional version of xorg and then change to the non-legacy version of xorg in six months. When xorg gets around to a proper build script based around configure, and starts supporting all the architectures of xfree86, then debian will switch to them.

    2. Re:Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Er... no. Debian announced it will be moving to xorg as soon as xorg makes a proper release instead of a legacy release.

      That's not true. The Debian X package maintainers ("strike force") are working on preparing a mostly-monolithic release of X.Org 6.8.2 right now. xprint is already separately maintained and will not be supplied from the X.Org monolithic tree, and xterm may be split off too. Josh Triplett is working on packaging the libraries, but Debian's not planning on waiting for that to happen before releasing X.Org, at least to experimental.

      I think debian was the first distro to announce a switch to xorg, though I may be wrong.

      Debian was certainly one of the first. Branden Robinson raised concerns about the freenees of the new XFree86 license almost immediately. No one in the Debian camp was happy with the new license, so the decision to switch to X.Org was pretty much made for Debian by XFree86 itself.

      In order to get off the ground quickly, xorg has been releasing versions based on xmkmf that have only really been tested on x86 and ppc.

      That's not a serious problem for Debian, which has been building xfree86 4.3.0 for all the architectures in sarge (arm, alpha, i386, ia64, powerpc, mips, mipsel, sparc, s390, m68k, hppa) plus amd64 and i386 versions of freebsd/netbsd and GNU Hurd for years. Most if not all of the patches made for portability's sake have been submitted various to the XFree86 Project and/or freedesktop.org over the years.

      That's great, and means 90% of the people reading this can run xorg now instead of waiting six months for a non-legacy version.

      A guy named Andres Salomon has extremely unofficial packages of X.Org for Debian unstable available now, or (with some difficulty) people can use Ubuntu's. The people who have an immediate need for something that works can get that need filled. Official packages which provide a little more polish and have had more eyes on them will take care of the rest of the people.

      It's possible that the new "volatile" distribution of Debian, intended to bolt onto the now-released sarge and provide updates for non-release-critical problems (like new hardware databases, spam/virus filter rules, device drivers, etc.) might be able to house a stripped-down xserver-xorg-only package in the near future to service the video hardware out there that Debian's xfree86 4.3.0 (with several backported and updated drivers) won't.

      Debian has been about doing things right, and waiting until they can do things right. They don't want to change to the transitional version of xorg and then change to the non-legacy version of xorg in six months.

      Actually if you follow the debian-x mailing list, you'll see that Debian is prepared to cope with that.

      When xorg gets around to a proper build script based around configure, and starts supporting all the architectures of xfree86, then debian will switch to them.

      Debian isn't waiting on that to happen. The sooner it does, the better, but Debian doesn't want to tie its schedule to X.Org's. I agree that Debian's hell-bent on getting things right, though, even though some people characterise their efforts at regression testing as pointless.

      David Nusinow and Branden Robinson (and it looks like Nathaniel Nerode is joining them) are doing most of the work to prepare X.Org 6.8.2 for Debian release. It draws in part from the Ubuntu packages, but not entirely. A Canonical employee named Daniel Stone, who contributed to Debian's XFree86 4.3.0 packages a couple of years ago but then started

  6. Whew! by .killedkenny · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maintaining a 3-year-old Woody has been quite er...hard.

  7. Yea D-Day has arrived! by OmegaBlac · · Score: 3, Funny

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.

  8. debian.org now has it by Mister+Furious · · Score: 3, Informative

    The original story (I'm the submitter) says that the main Debian site doesn't have the news yet. It has been updated to reflect the release between the time I submitted the story and the time it was posted.

    The news release is here.

  9. Announcement, images, and installation manual by dondelelcaro · · Score: 5, Informative
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  10. Working download link by maswan · · Score: 4, Informative
    Feel free to download cd and dvd images from cdimage.debian.org, we should have plenty of capacity.


    And if we run out, we will do http-redirects to our mirrors around the world, so don't be afraid to get your Sarge now!

    /Mattias Wadenstein - mirror admin, cdimage.debian.org

  11. Re:Bill gates alert! by gregmac · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most people install Debian with the net-install CD (or at least, they should). It's about a 100MB iso that gets a base system installed, and then you can use apt-get to install anything else you'd like. Because of debian's great package management, it also means this CD can be quite old and still install a current version - you just have to apt-get dist-upgrade as soon as you're done installing. Using the same method you can also convert your system to unstable if you'd like.

    All 14 CDs include EVERY package (as in, you'll get 6 or 7 web browsers, media players, and every other obscure program that is in the repository) and source. That's probably unnecessary for 99% of people out there. Not to mention a fairly big waste of bandwidth to download.

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  12. Re:dang only 12% by Anubis350 · · Score: 4, Informative

    sounds like its time for bittorrent to take over eh?

    go here

    or direct links:
    dvd1

    dvd2

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  13. KDE 3.4 for Debian Sarge by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who are using, or want to use, Debian Stable (now 'sarge'), but want KDE 3.4 (instead of 3.3), you can get it from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org.

    For those who've been using sarge via its 'Testing' monicker, I'm guessing KDE 3.4 will hit 'etch' (the new 'Testing') in the coming weeks.

    Enjoy!

  14. Re:Kernel by Trashman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe The default is 2.4. but you can have 2.6 at install time if you type linux26 @ the boot prompt. 2.6.8 ships with Sarge.

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  15. Re:Official announcement by fbjon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it says something about the Debian team, when announcements are made in 15 languages simultaneously. I can even read security reports in my native language!

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  16. Re:Bill gates alert! by Phil+Hands · · Score: 5, Informative

    All 14 CDs include EVERY package (...) and source.

    Almost right, 14 CDs is just the binaries (on average, several architectures take 13, ia64 takes 15)

    Source takes 15 more CDs

    For a full set of CDs (that only an anal collector would actually want) for all 11 archs, and the source, you'll need 164 CDs :-)

    As you say, the netinst image is the way to go, unless you want to send a copy to a friend who has no internet connection.

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  17. If Hell has frozen over... by rdwald · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...why don't I have a girlfriend?

  18. Re:Guess what? It is. by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is 14 cds all that big for what is essentially an archive of every peice of free software a debian maintainer has ever cared to package?

    packages on the cds (i belive cd1 is an exception getting special criteria) are placed onto cds by popcon (an optional package that reports back what packages you have installed) output so the high cds will contain really obscure stuff

    the only time i'd even consider getting or making a full cd set is if i knew i was going to be away from the net for a long time.

    if you have a net connection just use either the buisnesscard (base system and full selection of kernels) the netinst (base system and stuff you need for the standard "tasks") or the full cd1. don't bother with the other cds.

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  19. You have to wait for the signals by theMinorcan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, when can we expect Etch?

    These are some of the things that happened between Debian releases:
    a) The Olympic games returned to Greece.
    b) The Pope died.
    c) A German Pope got elected in a conclave.
    d) Apple switched to Intel.
    e) Watergate's Deep Throat identity was revealed.
    f) The French rejected the European Constitution
    g) Boston won the World Series.
    So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.

  20. End of days! by fsterman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Red Sox win
    We know who deep throat is
    Apple switches to X86
    and Sarge was actually released.

    Its armageddon. Or the Heart Of Gold just flew by.

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  21. My next three commands... by jusdisgi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally I get to run:

    apt-get update
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    apt-get install duke-nukem-forever

    Yes!!!!

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    1. Re:My next three commands... by jusdisgi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      unless you're running as root (bad, bad, BAD!!!!) I think you're forgetting something :)

      Well, at first I saw your handle and figured you were just some Ubuntu-n00b that got told "root's bad, mmkay?" and figured it was now his right as a newly-1337 assclown to go around and scold people for this shit.

      But then I looked at the number by that handle, and realized that it is far, far too low. Ubuntu wasn't even a glimmer in Debian's eye when you signed up.

      So....you've got no excuse. And I must answer:

      Hey pencil-dick! It's my fucking server, and I'll run as fucking root when I fucking feel like it! I'll hack up my sudoers file, add your mother to wheel, and just generally break your dumbass procedural rules! And you'll goddamned well like it, because I pay attention to what the fuck I do as root, at least as much as you asspirates pay attention when you strap "sudo" on the frontend of every damn thing and act like it's somehow safer. So piss off!

      (Sorry everybody. But that's really getting to be one of my hotbuttons. Whoever up and decided that it was better to give every fucking user sudo access and then tell everybody never to su should be shot.)

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    2. Re:My next three commands... by HoaryCripple · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Haha, thanks for the great laugh!

      You're correct. I'm not an Ubuntu-n00b. My nick is from the poem "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came."

      You are also making the assumption that I am one of those people (your exact terminology was "asspirate") that think everyone should have sudo access.

      And lastly: My god man! Get a grip, it was only a joke. Develop some coping skills please.

  22. Re:Excellent news! by EinarH · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IIRC most of those are old bugs from installation reports. They are typicaly quite shallow, like some obscure and hard to reproduce bug in a controller or arch.

    I would think that the team tried to work it out and didn't succeed. Sometimes you've just got to draw that line in the sand and say; that's it: Your bug is not important enough to hold back the whole release.

    Congratulations to the Debian developers.

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  23. Impressive Accessability. by tacocat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 includes the efforts of the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux, Debian-Med and Debian-Accessibility sub-projects which boosted the number of educational packages and those with a medical affiliation as well as packages designed especially for people with disabilities.

    I spent a weekend doing accessability evaluations on computers. The assignment was for Windows, but the teacher let me use Linux since that was all I had. Turns out my Debian-Linux distrobution had far more accessability features available than anything Windows had. If I had a microphone and a few cameras I could really go to town. But it is worth mentioning that the Linux community as a whole and Debian in particular has done a better than industry standard job at this>

  24. x86_64 Support? by imemyself · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know its not 100% necessary to run on AMD64/EM64T processors, and it may or may not even give performance advantages yet, but I think its kind of odd that they have binaries available for pretty minor platforms but don't have any specifically for probably the second most popular after regular x86. I mean RH/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, and even Debian-based distros like Ubuntu have x86_64 support, its kind of surprising that Debian doesn't. (And I'm not saying I don't like Debian. I mean apt seriously kicks ass.)

    Will x86_64 be "supported" in whatever will be the next Debian testing? And will Sarge's release mean that testing will rapidly be modernized? If so, I'm looking forward to it.

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    1. Re:x86_64 Support? by darketernal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes and no.

      Yes - It's already supported in i386, with the amd64 kernel images. You can run some 64-bit stuff with amd64-libs.

      No - there is no *official* support yet for a 64-bit kernel with 64-bit userland. For an unofficial (and IMO fairly stable) port that will definitely be in etch, check http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and http://amd64.debian.net/.

      There was a huge debate about it, but leaving it out was for the greater good. Don't worry about it - it's definitely coming up if I can help it at all.

  25. upgrade/dist-upgrade by hypatia · · Score: 4, Informative

    'upgrade' means "update any packages that don't require new dependencies" and 'dist-upgrade' means "update packages and pull in new dependencies if need be". With a long release cycle, each stable release is going to have a lot of the second kind of packages.

  26. Re:Postgresql 7.4.7 by tacocat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Never use a "point zero" release on something you want to work all the time.

    In this case it might be prudent to wait until 8.0 has a bit more shake-down before you convert all your databases to it.

  27. Re:Toy Story connection? by splint3r · · Score: 4, Informative
    Yes.

    And no.

  28. Re:MODUP! by maswan · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hah! They aren't even breathing hard. Actually, demand seems to be dropping right now, I had prepared for much worse.


    As it is now, I have to apologize to the mirrors I asked for, since they aren't getting any load either.


    So, bring it on!

    /Mattias Wadenstein - cdimage.debian.org admin

  29. Obligatory Debian Joke by beforewisdom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow! Fireforx 1.04 ?!

    I only have Firefox 1.0. You know, when a Debian release has a higher browser version then you do, you know it is time to upgrade.