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Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released
Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.
Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."
Does it run Linux on my Mac x86 ?
In a brillant marketing sting, Steve Jobs of Apple, the Debian Developement Team and 3DRealms united and tried to get the attention of the world today by confirming the long rumored news of the release of their respective flagship products, the Intel-microprocessor based "Macintosh Computer", the linux operating sytem "Debian 3.1" and the so called first person shooter game "Duke Nukem Forever" within hours and by doing so slashdotting the website "Slashdot.Org" - the only thing of the whole internet thought to be unslashdottable.
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Congrats to the Debian project!
Direct download links at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/. Bittorrent, Jigdo or direct ISO downloads (CDs or DVDs).
In a rare show of solidarity with Apple, the Debian maintainers decided to stay with XFree86 instead of X.org when they heard that Apple was switching to x86.
English is easier said than done.
Congrats all around. Even though I haven't been much of a Debian user, I am very pleased to see this. Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.
Maintaining a 3-year-old Woody has been quite er...hard.
Dawn lamer warez groups, weren't able to leak a final version of Sarge before the official release.
The only thing frustrated me -- the number of Release-Critical bugs is not zero! Why is it so? Could anybody give the answer?
igor
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
The original story (I'm the submitter) says that the main Debian site doesn't have the news yet. It has been updated to reflect the release between the time I submitted the story and the time it was posted.
The news release is here.
http://www.donarmstrong.com
And if we run out, we will do http-redirects to our mirrors around the world, so don't be afraid to get your Sarge now!
Most people install Debian with the net-install CD (or at least, they should). It's about a 100MB iso that gets a base system installed, and then you can use apt-get to install anything else you'd like. Because of debian's great package management, it also means this CD can be quite old and still install a current version - you just have to apt-get dist-upgrade as soon as you're done installing. Using the same method you can also convert your system to unstable if you'd like.
All 14 CDs include EVERY package (as in, you'll get 6 or 7 web browsers, media players, and every other obscure program that is in the repository) and source. That's probably unnecessary for 99% of people out there. Not to mention a fairly big waste of bandwidth to download.
Speak before you think
That's incredible. Now, Microsoft HAS to release Longhorn. C'mon, you can't let the Debian guys be faster than you....
Apart from jokes, I'm curious to know if Debian still holds a share of the "market". It was a gooddistribution, but a lil too static. I honestly think they should consider doubling the release speed, or atleast provide significant updates for a release from time to time (who said "and why not call 'em Service Packs?").
nbody2002:If you can read this you may be addicted to the internet
sounds like its time for bittorrent to take over eh?
go here
or direct links:
dvd1
dvd2
"goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
2.4.27 and 2.6.8
I won't start panicking until Duke Nukem Forever goes gold.
For those who are using, or want to use, Debian Stable (now 'sarge'), but want KDE 3.4 (instead of 3.3), you can get it from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org.
For those who've been using sarge via its 'Testing' monicker, I'm guessing KDE 3.4 will hit 'etch' (the new 'Testing') in the coming weeks.
Enjoy!
Yes, all kinds of images can be found here, and for DVD BitTorrents (x86) you can look here.
I believe The default is 2.4. but you can have 2.6 at install time if you type linux26 @ the boot prompt. 2.6.8 ships with Sarge.
Do not read this
Congratulations to the entire Debian Project! Sarge is a Modern Distro Desktop Distro. I wonder what the people who complain that Debian is outdated will say now?
Just wait another two years when others are running things like Fedora Core 7 and Sarge is looking like he needs a furlough.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
before you even think of doing this on a remote system.
1: there is a package called doc-base that if installed will cause BIG problems unless you upgrade or remove it first.
2: aptitude is generally considered to make safer descions about upgrade order than apt-get
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14 CDs is the cost of OSS now huh?
Don't you guys ever get tired of this particular bit of silliness?
So tell me, how many CDs do you need for propriatary software? A quick jog down the aisles of Best Buy infers quite a large number; and at a rather higher cost than for just the blank media.
KFG
I think it says something about the Debian team, when announcements are made in 15 languages simultaneously. I can even read security reports in my native language!
True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
They might complain about xfree 4.3
e bian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans
Um, nope. See this:
http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/d
Do not read this
All 14 CDs include EVERY package (...) and source.
:-)
Almost right, 14 CDs is just the binaries (on average, several architectures take 13, ia64 takes 15)
Source takes 15 more CDs
For a full set of CDs (that only an anal collector would actually want) for all 11 archs, and the source, you'll need 164 CDs
As you say, the netinst image is the way to go, unless you want to send a copy to a friend who has no internet connection.
Debian: GNU/Linux done the Linux way
...why don't I have a girlfriend?
is 14 cds all that big for what is essentially an archive of every peice of free software a debian maintainer has ever cared to package?
packages on the cds (i belive cd1 is an exception getting special criteria) are placed onto cds by popcon (an optional package that reports back what packages you have installed) output so the high cds will contain really obscure stuff
the only time i'd even consider getting or making a full cd set is if i knew i was going to be away from the net for a long time.
if you have a net connection just use either the buisnesscard (base system and full selection of kernels) the netinst (base system and stuff you need for the standard "tasks") or the full cd1. don't bother with the other cds.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
Now, when can we expect Etch?
These are some of the things that happened between Debian releases:
a) The Olympic games returned to Greece.
b) The Pope died.
c) A German Pope got elected in a conclave.
d) Apple switched to Intel.
e) Watergate's Deep Throat identity was revealed.
f) The French rejected the European Constitution
g) Boston won the World Series.
So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.
Red Sox win
We know who deep throat is
Apple switches to X86
and Sarge was actually released.
Its armageddon. Or the Heart Of Gold just flew by.
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Finally I get to run:
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get install duke-nukem-forever
Yes!!!!
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
Can someone please link me to the win32 (Windows XP Home) installer, version, or port of Debian Sarge please?
From the release announcement:
With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities.
One problem for newbies solved.
Now if they only come up with a friendly alternative to dselect that lets you mix and match packages from the unstable tree, I might start reccomending debian to newbies. Heck, I might even use it myself.
I may be missing the obvious, but are Debian releases supposed to be named after characters from the classic Pixar animated film Toy Story? Woody, Sarge, etc...will the next one be Buzz Lightyear?
"Me? Lady, I'm your worst nightmare -- a pumpkin with a gun."
I spent a weekend doing accessability evaluations on computers. The assignment was for Windows, but the teacher let me use Linux since that was all I had. Turns out my Debian-Linux distrobution had far more accessability features available than anything Windows had. If I had a microphone and a few cameras I could really go to town. But it is worth mentioning that the Linux community as a whole and Debian in particular has done a better than industry standard job at this>
How is parent funny?
"woody" also means erection in english.
I know its not 100% necessary to run on AMD64/EM64T processors, and it may or may not even give performance advantages yet, but I think its kind of odd that they have binaries available for pretty minor platforms but don't have any specifically for probably the second most popular after regular x86. I mean RH/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, and even Debian-based distros like Ubuntu have x86_64 support, its kind of surprising that Debian doesn't. (And I'm not saying I don't like Debian. I mean apt seriously kicks ass.)
Will x86_64 be "supported" in whatever will be the next Debian testing? And will Sarge's release mean that testing will rapidly be modernized? If so, I'm looking forward to it.
Every time you post an article on Slashdot, I kill a server. Think of the servers!
'upgrade' means "update any packages that don't require new dependencies" and 'dist-upgrade' means "update packages and pull in new dependencies if need be". With a long release cycle, each stable release is going to have a lot of the second kind of packages.
Never use a "point zero" release on something you want to work all the time.
In this case it might be prudent to wait until 8.0 has a bit more shake-down before you convert all your databases to it.
They will, when it has more established support for the different architectures.
These things take time to do them right the first time. But possibly not as long as doing it wrong and trying to fix it a few times, but who wants to spend their entire life playing at a keyboard?
As it is now, I have to apologize to the mirrors I asked for, since they aren't getting any load either.
So, bring it on!
jigdo allows the load to be spread over more mirrors (since it can use any debian mirror not just those that have the cd images) but its still downloading from thier mirrors.
bittorrent otoh gives most of the load to the downloaders.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I guess that by the end of the day, Duke Nukem Forever will be out.
If that's your sources.list, you are running Sid (unstable), not Sarge (which was "testing" until today, and is now "stable"). Anyway, your problems come from the fact that non-us has been deprecated. See section 2.1.2 of the Sarge release notes. Delete the non-US lines from sources.list, re-run apt-get update and you should be fine.
- Kevin B. McCarty
This is Debian Stable, remember. I've been using it on a box at work as a file server/print spooler, and haven't touched the thing in three years. Thats the kind of job Debian Stable is for :) Who gives two shits about the fancy shadowing and render acceleration of the new X flavors, since all the time you'll probably spend with it is however long it takes to set the system up.
The real path to male liberation
...thanking Debian by contributing to their projects? They are the ones who keep their distribution truly Libre (Free) and community-managed, in contrast with the commercial GNU/Linux distributors. When I will have time I will try to help them with translations. You should do something, too.
A big downer of running Linux on a Mac is missing things like full featured java, flash, wine, nvidia drivers, and few other binary tools. Not that this bothers the purists mind you but some of us have to use them.
Linux on one of these x86 Macs should run just as well as Linux on decent x86 chipsets.
Myself, I don't buy new Macs just to run Linux on them but I'll cheerfully deploy spare Macs as servers if they're somewhat beefy.
Yeah!
Using Bittorent my bandwidth maxes out not yours.
But that doesn't mean sarge isn't popular these torrents are lit-up.
It might have been on a mirror that was still syncing with a master (which is odd). You should use BitTorrent instead.
They might be automatically removed due to their dependencies on packages that no longer exist in sarge. I suggest you try it first. The dependency system in apt is very robust and things should happen with those packages if there are any problems.
Or, things may not have changed, and the backports can be used as is.
Nonetheless, if you would like to play it safe, do remove them.
You generally only need the first few for a successful install.. are you on a modem?
Wow! Fireforx 1.04 ?!
I only have Firefox 1.0. You know, when a Debian release has a higher browser version then you do, you know it is time to upgrade.