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Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released
Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.
Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."
Does it run Linux on my Mac x86 ?
In a brillant marketing sting, Steve Jobs of Apple, the Debian Developement Team and 3DRealms united and tried to get the attention of the world today by confirming the long rumored news of the release of their respective flagship products, the Intel-microprocessor based "Macintosh Computer", the linux operating sytem "Debian 3.1" and the so called first person shooter game "Duke Nukem Forever" within hours and by doing so slashdotting the website "Slashdot.Org" - the only thing of the whole internet thought to be unslashdottable.
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Congrats to the Debian project!
XFree86 4.3? Wow!
faster than the speed of debian
GNAA Congratulates the Debian Project on the Release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge"
BATON ROUGE, LA - June 6, 2005 - The Gay Nigger Association of America extended today its congratulations to the Debian Project regarding its 8th consecutive release of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. The latest incarnation of Debian, codenamed "Sarge", had been eagerly anticipated for approximately 6,000 years by both unwashed GNU/Hippies and fizzlebearded Open Source aficionados alike. So far the reception of "Sarge" has ranged from indifferent to uninterested, but the release has managed to draw the attention of many fundamentalist Christians, who have long seen the release of a new version of Debian as one of the major signs of the apocalypse.
"Sarge" is notable for greatly expanding upon the Debian policy of creating distributions that are obsolete before they are even released - a practice which, while not particularly desirable, has been enthusiastically received by nostalgic collectors of outdated open source software, as well as the National Association for Marketing Buggy Linux Applications, or NAMBLA. Debian project leader Branden Robinson defended the policy, however, in an impromptu GNAA interview which was conducted at his home. When asked to comment on Debian's slow adoption of new software, he was quoted as saying, "Look, the fact is that the open source development model is so ineffective that just as many new bugs are probably created in each release as old ones are fixed, so it all evens out. Right? Um - please stop touching my leg. No I'm not homophobic, I just - hey, I said cut it out! No, stop! I'm saving myself for Bruce Perens! HELP!"
About Debian
The Debian project was started in 1993 by Ian Murdock, who was unsatisfied with the level of political bickering and useless hand-wringing found in other projects at the time. The Debian Project has grown steadily over the years and currently consists of over 1,000 developers and maintainers, yet contains more bugs and is more out of date than the older Slackware distribution, which is produced by a single maintainer with a chronic bacterial infection. Debian's use has been on the decline due to users being fed up with its sluggish release process and political drama, but it has nevertheless received the accolade of those Linux users who have not yet discovered the existence of superior and more modern distributions such as Ubuntu, Fedora Core, and Windows Server 2003.
About GNAA:
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Are you GAY ?
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Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
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...OK? So cool it with these one after the other April Fool's stories.
14 CDs is the cost of OSS now huh? Just wait "OSS isn't free, you need 25 billion CDs just to install a popular OS!"
I like muppets.
Direct download links at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/. Bittorrent, Jigdo or direct ISO downloads (CDs or DVDs).
In a rare show of solidarity with Apple, the Debian maintainers decided to stay with XFree86 instead of X.org when they heard that Apple was switching to x86.
English is easier said than done.
This is great news. Congratulations to everybody involved.
;-p
Now, when can we expect Etch?
After all, I am strangely colored.
Official announcement
Congrats all around. Even though I haven't been much of a Debian user, I am very pleased to see this. Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.
Oh my god, hell has actually frozen over today!
David Hasselhoff doing IBM ads?
Contrary to the poster's assertion Hell has not frozen over. The Cubs have not won the World Series and Duke Nukem 3D hasn't been released. I'm also waiting for the aliens from Roswell to return...
Glad to see Debian coming back to a relatively current stable. Debian was my distro of choice until two years later I had the same current CD to install with. I moved from BSD for my servers then. Workstation wise, Debian will be great again :) I wonder what will happen to all of those users who use backports.
Proceed with Format (Y/N)? Y
Also in todays news: A new species of flying pig has been discovered in South America, and a stockpile of weapons of mass destructions located in Iraq.
Maintaining a 3-year-old Woody has been quite er...hard.
I, for one, welcome our new Debian 3.1 overlords, as I upgrade my boxen from Woody to Sarge.
Thank you, Debian developers everywhere!
It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.
Dawn lamer warez groups, weren't able to leak a final version of Sarge before the official release.
...hmmm...Apple/Intel..Debian new release...
you say it's NOT April first???
476 Duke Nukem Forever, GNU Hurd, and winged pigs skating on the surface of Hell jokes here.]
The only thing frustrated me -- the number of Release-Critical bugs is not zero! Why is it so? Could anybody give the answer?
igor
So now if I want to play Duke Nukem on my MacSarge, I might be stupid, but I'm not crazy.
--
make install -not war
Just as soo as I finish compiling the last versi... Ooops, wait, wrong distro.
"What do you think?" "I think 'What, do you think?!'"
...while /.'s backup servers are being hosted over Taco's dialup?
GNAA Congratulates the Debian Project on the Release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge"
BATON ROUGE, LA - June 6, 2005 - The Gay Nigger Association of America extended today its congratulations to the Debian Project regarding its 8th consecutive release of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. The latest incarnation of Debian, codenamed "Sarge", had been eagerly snticipated for approximately 6,000 years by both unwashed GNU/Hippies and fizzlebearded Open
Source aficionados alike. So far the reception of "Sarge" has ranged from
indifferent to uninterested, but the release has managed to draw the attention
of many fundamentalist Christians, who have long seen the release of a new
version of Debian as one of the major signs of the apocalypse.
"Sarge" is notable for greatly expanding upon the Debian policy of creating
distributions that are obsolete before they are even released - a practice
which, while not particularly desirable, has been enthusiastically received by
nostalgic collectors of outdated open source software, as well as the National
Association for Marketing Buggy Linux Applications, or NAMBLA. Debian project
leader Branden Robinson defended the policy, however, in an impromptu GNAA
interview which was conducted at his home. When asked to comment on Debian's
slow adoption of new software, he was quoted as saying, "Look, the fact is that
the open source development model is so ineffective that just as many new bugs
are probably created in each release as old ones are fixed, so it all evens
out. Right? Um - please stop touching my leg. No I'm not homophobic, I just
- hey, I said cut it out! No, stop! I'm saving myself for Bruce Perens!
HELP!"
About Debian
The Debian project was started in 1993 by Ian Murdock, who was unsatisfied
with the level of political bickering and useless hand-wringing found in other
projects at the time. The Debian Project has grown steadily over the years and
currently consists of over 1,000 developers and maintainers, yet contains more
bugs and is more out of date than the older Slackware distribution, which is
produced by a single maintainer with a chronic bacterial infection. Debian's
use has been on the decline due to users being fed up with its sluggish release
process and political drama, but it has nevertheless received the accolade of
those Linux users who have not yet discovered the existence of superior and
more modern distributions such as Ubuntu, Fedora Core, and Windows Server 2003.
About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first
organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one
common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.
Are you GAY ?
Are you a NIGGER ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER ?
If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER
ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy
all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing
GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of
America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join
today!
Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
And they release it for x86 too! First Apple, now Debian. Is the whole world going x86 crazy??
dang, I only got to 12% of the first DVD before it hit slashdot...thought I might get away painless.
First Apple switches to Intel chips. Next, there is finally a Debian release. What's next? Microsoft giving away old versions of Office and Windows? Longhorn coming out next week? GNU Hurd becomes fully usable?
What a strange day today.
Congratulations to the entire Debian Project! Sarge is a Modern Distro Desktop Distro. I wonder what the people who complain that Debian is outdated will say now?
Here's looking forward to Debian 4.0!
Do not read this
The original story (I'm the submitter) says that the main Debian site doesn't have the news yet. It has been updated to reflect the release between the time I submitted the story and the time it was posted.
The news release is here.
"OSS isn't free, you need 25 billion CDs just to install a popular OS!" Or you could just netinst. ;-)
Congrats to the Debian team who put this together, and onward into Etch!
got root? debian/sarge ppc
http://www.donarmstrong.com
and see if my new laptop drivers work for WiFi in Debian ...
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So now if I want to play Duke Nukem Forever on my Sarge/x86 Mac, I might be stupid, but I'm not crazy.
--
make install -not war
Wow, that is great news.
I used to be a Debian head. But I've sort of lost touch with it. But this makes me want to try it again.
What kernel version? 2.4? 2.6?
The Internet is full. Go Away!!!
And if we run out, we will do http-redirects to our mirrors around the world, so don't be afraid to get your Sarge now!
Apple to use Intel chips.
Debian 3.1 released.
C'mon, let's buy these guys a calendar.
In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Vin Diesel could use to kill you, including the room itself.
In less than a year we have seen:
- Half Life 2 released
- Microsoft switch their flagship product to PPC
- Apple switch to x86
- The revelation of Deep Throat's identity
- The release of Sarge
Hell has frozen over and pigs are flying.
Come on George Broussard..I know you are reading this..just give us some screenshots and let the universe implode entirely.
What new technology will the staunch "stable Debian" loyaltists now be subject to with this new release?
I could be a smart ASS and say: USB Support, Graphics (other than ASCII art), Plug And Play, 802.11b, etc, etc -- But I won't.
I have been totally impressed with a few of the Debian cousins lately (Ubuntu and Knoppix) so I have nothing but nice things to say about what Debian has given to us throughout the years.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
"Slashdotting ended over debian.org"
apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
(On my SPARC, MIPS, PA-RISC, and x86 machines) For portability and package management, nothing beats debian.
------ Take away the right to say fuck and you take away the right to say fuck the government.
I would like to thank everyone for their kind words. I remember putting out the very first version of Debian. Boy those were the days. I hope everyone likes what we have created and can further enhance it.
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt -cd/
See you again in etch 2020. ;)
-- Ne me laissez pas tellement triste: écrivez-moi vite qu'il est revenu...
*hides under desk*
Yes, the strain was too much. After two completely impossible events have occured, it's incredibly likely that many more impossible events are going to occur soon. Or something.
I'm glad Sarge is released but the release process needs better quality control. They're making the same mistakes as Netscape did recently.
p ound
For example, look at:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=
There was a security problem in 1.8.2 (buffer overflow) that was fixed by the upstream developer and reported 40 days ago.
Did a security patch make it into Sarge? No. Did versions 1.8.3, 1.8.4, 1.8.5 or 1.9 make it into Sarge? No.
And yes, pound is a server-oriented program where security is critical. It is even used by Slashdot.
Anyone on the Debian team making fun of Netscape for the recent Firefox 1.04 fiasco is a complete hypocrite.
It does. http://www.debian.org/ports/
Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.
LOL!
Well, correct me if I am wrong but the last message we got was: "Sarge will be released on December 2003"!
Agreed, it's not much, just 1.5 years...
That's incredible. Now, Microsoft HAS to release Longhorn. C'mon, you can't let the Debian guys be faster than you....
Apart from jokes, I'm curious to know if Debian still holds a share of the "market". It was a gooddistribution, but a lil too static. I honestly think they should consider doubling the release speed, or atleast provide significant updates for a release from time to time (who said "and why not call 'em Service Packs?").
nbody2002:If you can read this you may be addicted to the internet
The thing I don't understand about various distros is why in this age of the Internet a big announcement has to be made that an operating system finally has great new features like Gnome 2.8 and Firefox 1.04. Why do Fedora Core users have to burn another gaggle of CDs every 6 months just to stay up to date? Why is it that it seems Gentoo is the only distro that has figured this out? I find this particularly annoying considering Linux in general has been a "download this for free!" type OS but yet we're still upgrading them like we're buying shrink wrapped boxes.
Grab the torrents of the dvd's. I've already seeded 30gig of those today :)
& submit.x=0&submit.y=0
Just to be elite you should get them here:
http://torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=sarge+gold
(tho' i have to say that the easiest way to install is to grab the 50M business-card-cd and install everything else over network)
I installed Debian Woody just three days ago. What are the odds? Luckily upgrading shouldn't be too much hassle (how I love this OS). Congratulations to all Debian developers :)
Any torrents for the DVD images yet?
Last time I tried to install any debian I had major problems:
Debian Woody's graphics drivers didn't work w/ my card
Debian Sarge screwed up my partitions causing me to lose ALL of my data (from my Windows Partition). I dunno if their partitioning tool has improved, but I don't want to risk it.
~Ilyanep
To get message, take amount of carrier pigeons at each stage mod 2. Then decode binary.
I won't start panicking until Duke Nukem Forever goes gold.
the book of revelations clearly states that Sarge's release only heralds the SECOND horseman of the apocalypse. The end is nigh only when the FOURTH horseman roams free. In otherwords, don't start to worry until the HURD reaches 1.0
We've been running Sarge/testing in production for the last 8 months and only once had a minor issue upgrading packages.
We found Debian to be an exremely stable, easy to administer distribution perfectly suited for production server environments and the quality of Debian packages deserves the highest praise.
My congratulations to the Debian team.
DVD torrents
CD torrents (including net install)
If you find this post offensive, don't read it! THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING! I am what I am because of how apes behave.
This is great, but what does it have to do with Apple switching to Intel chips? :)
My
For those who are using, or want to use, Debian Stable (now 'sarge'), but want KDE 3.4 (instead of 3.3), you can get it from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org.
For those who've been using sarge via its 'Testing' monicker, I'm guessing KDE 3.4 will hit 'etch' (the new 'Testing') in the coming weeks.
Enjoy!
I'm running 4 Debian boxes here (and they're all Sarge now 'cause Debian makes it so easy).
One of them is a test box, the other three are production servers.
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At home, I'm running two of them and they've been Sarge for a long time. And Ubuntu on the desktop, but that's a different story.
And the home boxes are running 2.6.11.11 (the only non-stock-Debian item on them).
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
Well, I am sorry to deliver such news to you, but:
a) It is ancient (XFree, Open Office 1.1, etc.)
b) It is late (merely 1.5 years).
c) It is insanely big (14 CDs).
congratulations to the Debian team on a true milestone.
This release is likely to result in a massive rise in adoption on both desktops and server rooms alike.
Take a rest now, you've more than earned it - but do keep those updates coming!
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
I'm no fan of liberal release/version number inflation. But this seems way too conservative. Isn't this a major release for Debian? Why in the world isn't this Debian 4? What is that going to take?
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
before you even think of doing this on a remote system.
1: there is a package called doc-base that if installed will cause BIG problems unless you upgrade or remove it first.
2: aptitude is generally considered to make safer descions about upgrade order than apt-get
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
Theo de RRadt, one theorists -
Sarge releases Debian.
6/6/2005 man if this was 2006,, I would definitly think hell had frozen over.
Debian Planet announces in their latest update that the sarge freeze is now official.
Hmmm...
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Hmm? But their official graph over release critical bugs still says 30. Guess they aren't that release critical after all?
http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
...before people collapses servers.
They put the B back in stable.
*thanks crowd, mentions he'll be here all week*
or do I still have to go out and buy an out-of-date xBox for that?
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Using Debian feels to me like traveling back in time. It is the only distribution that is already old and outdated before it is released.
I guess Debian is a special distribution for masochists...
Oh well, what the hell...
ftp://galileo.luon.net/pub/linux/debian/3.1/CD-ima ges
...why don't I have a girlfriend?
Today is also the 61st anniversary of D-day.
Now, when can we expect Etch?
These are some of the things that happened between Debian releases:
a) The Olympic games returned to Greece.
b) The Pope died.
c) A German Pope got elected in a conclave.
d) Apple switched to Intel.
e) Watergate's Deep Throat identity was revealed.
f) The French rejected the European Constitution
g) Boston won the World Series.
So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.
They really should have waited for the next version of Nethack to be ready before releasing. That way Debian users would have something to keep them occupied so they don't complain when it is another three years until the next release.
Thank you, Debian team, for all your hard work!
How is parent funny?
I mean, including Postgresql 7.4.7 as a badge of pride? Sure, its good and all, but if you have Firefox 1.0.4, then one would thing a leap to PG 8.0 would not be that big of a deal.
Newsfollow.com
Red Sox win
We know who deep throat is
Apple switches to X86
and Sarge was actually released.
Its armageddon. Or the Heart Of Gold just flew by.
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Thank you, thank you, thank you Debian developers! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Now, for us non-programmers, non-gurus using Sarge, what's the next step? I've carefully changed my sources list in the last month or two from testing to sarge . So I'm only hitting Sarge repositories. Also, thanks to info on the mailing lists, I've added security (security.debian.org) to my repository, and the new Debian Volatile went into my repository today.
The concern has always been, what happens when Sarge goes stable, and the "prefers" should become stable instead of testing. I saw a while back in the Debian-Testing list that someone asked and someone else tried to explain how to transition by using pinning.
Is there going to be a release of a how-to of how to transition a purely Sarge installation from "testing" to "stable" in apt-preferences without then ending up in a situation where the install tries to go to woody, or some other serious situation results?
Sorry, just a lot of confusion and apprehension from someone who wasn't using potato-> woody or earlier releases and doesn't have a clue about what to do next. Any guidance would really be appreciated.
and btw, thanks Debian developers!
Finally I get to run:
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get install duke-nukem-forever
Yes!!!!
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
But the real question I want to know is how stable is it *really*? Did they rush the release due to political meandering or is it really stable? I think I'm going to hold off upgrading and just use the security updates that are available for the next year until I see that the bugs really are down. The last thing I want in a production environment is a unstable system that was rushed to release because of debian politics.
- d
That's odd.. because I saw the news on the debian.org site almost 3 hours ago!
C'mon slashdot, this has gone way too far.
Apple switches to Intel.
Sarge finally comes out.
Honestly, April Fools was like 2 months ago. Enough already!
Can someone please link me to the win32 (Windows XP Home) installer, version, or port of Debian Sarge please?
From the release announcement:
With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities.
One problem for newbies solved.
Now if they only come up with a friendly alternative to dselect that lets you mix and match packages from the unstable tree, I might start reccomending debian to newbies. Heck, I might even use it myself.
All you wankers out there slamming Debian for being slow to release can just push off!
I am glad that Debian is as stable as it is. Linux has certainly reached the point today where software does not have to develop at the speed of sound in order to remain stable/viable. I do expect Debian to move faster in development as that is one of their core issues in elections today, but I certainly hope it does not try to develop everything as unstable or worse.
When you consider how many people today are still using Windows 98 and Windows 2K, it's pretty obvious that software no longer needs to be released on a monthly basis. I would give the linux community the same credit with Debian as proof of it's success.
While I think continued development is important, the focus needs to be on stability and reliability. There is little gained if you use the latest and greatest but can't boot your machine or spend a weekend a month trying to figure out what broke in the last series of upgrades. Not all of us have the time to spend on that kind of work.
I would much rather have a distribution that allows me to do what I want to do rather then spending my time trying to figure out what it's doing. I think that is why I quit using Windows in the first place. That is also why I quit a number of other distros and landed on Debian. Do you have any idea what it is like having mail servers, web servers, and print servers working so long and so reliably that you forget they are even there?
So before you make your 1000 posts about how fucking slow Debian is, remember that good things come to those who wait.
damn it, i just finished compiling Debian 3.09999999 last night !!!!
Does anyone know what Mr. Debian is going to do with all the money generated by CD sales? Is he going to contribute some of the profits to open source projects that made this Linux distribution so popular?
I may be missing the obvious, but are Debian releases supposed to be named after characters from the classic Pixar animated film Toy Story? Woody, Sarge, etc...will the next one be Buzz Lightyear?
"Me? Lady, I'm your worst nightmare -- a pumpkin with a gun."
I spent a weekend doing accessability evaluations on computers. The assignment was for Windows, but the teacher let me use Linux since that was all I had. Turns out my Debian-Linux distrobution had far more accessability features available than anything Windows had. If I had a microphone and a few cameras I could really go to town. But it is worth mentioning that the Linux community as a whole and Debian in particular has done a better than industry standard job at this>
I know its not 100% necessary to run on AMD64/EM64T processors, and it may or may not even give performance advantages yet, but I think its kind of odd that they have binaries available for pretty minor platforms but don't have any specifically for probably the second most popular after regular x86. I mean RH/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, and even Debian-based distros like Ubuntu have x86_64 support, its kind of surprising that Debian doesn't. (And I'm not saying I don't like Debian. I mean apt seriously kicks ass.)
Will x86_64 be "supported" in whatever will be the next Debian testing? And will Sarge's release mean that testing will rapidly be modernized? If so, I'm looking forward to it.
Every time you post an article on Slashdot, I kill a server. Think of the servers!
HA!!
ohh, yeah... congrats on the... er.. old stuff in your distro...????
Your outdated-distro are belong to us... get it?
HA!!!
P.S. HA!!!
Have a good one.
===== "Every head is a different world so don't invade mine you FREAK!" smartSAGA said
I've been a Debian user since Slink and this morning I installed a fresh Sarge box.
I have to say that the new installer is quite impressive. I had no problems with the old one, but this one is much more "automatic", much faster, and just seems more flexible.
Also: The pre-packaged kernel seems pretty decent. On Linux it's pretty rare that I'm satisfied with a default install kernel. I always end up building my own for some reason or another. (Usually hardware issues) But this one seems to be more seamless than the others. Good job Debian folks.
'upgrade' means "update any packages that don't require new dependencies" and 'dist-upgrade' means "update packages and pull in new dependencies if need be". With a long release cycle, each stable release is going to have a lot of the second kind of packages.
Anyway, can anyone shed any light on how people already running Sarge can fix their apt sources up to be official?
My /etc/apt/source.list (below) currently returns a lot of 404 Not Founds:
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
Do we just change 'unstable' to 'stable'?
Oh my Lord! Two miracles come to pass in the same day. This means the Second Coming is upon us! But watch out, because Jesus said, "Another will come in my name and him you will receive."
By the way, I'd like to introduce myself. I'm Jesus H. Christ.
Can someone tell me how debian is somehow more stable than other distros? (I'm talking about debian stable).
Also are they really going to drop support for some architectures?
Hell really HAS frozen! Next thing you know, Apple will move to Intel!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
As the author of a CONSIDERABLE number of best-selling games, I would like to know if you can play games on linux yet.
Steven Wooston, Lead Programmer, J-J-J-Julius Games
Author of a CONSIDERABLE number of best-selling games
I don't care about the number of CDs, as long as I can use a few floppies, boot up, and do a network install.
This sig no verb.
I run my home Debian on the bleeding edge (unstable), and as a business application I'm the first to scream for the very latest database features, it seems to me that DBMSs are justifiably moved along the upgrade path at a slower pace than web browsers, for a variety of reasons. A major point release upgrade of your database is something you want to do on your schedule, and not the Debian release schedule's.
Surely the envionment of all-new stable Debian packages will make it that much easier for someone who absolutely *must* have PostGres 8.0 to hand-roll a PG 8.0 under sarge than under woody, right?
(I'll admit this is a half-baked post. Mod me down -0.5, inane.)
I guess that by the end of the day, Duke Nukem Forever will be out.
http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release- notes.en.txt
:)
For the sarge release, packages that were formerly in the non-US part of the archive have been moved into the regular archive. If you have any lines referring to "non-us" in your `/etc/apt/sources.list', you should remove them.
In case anyone was wondering, like I was...
I doubt that too many people believe that it's really happened, so they aren't trying to download it.
Most people are probably off looking for a certain FPS starring Duke Nukem instead... that or they are making a killing sweaters to the residents of Hell.
I heard that your library burnt down and destroyed your only two books - and one was not even coloured in yet.
looks like I switched from using testing (to ubuntu) just in time to avoid the influx of sid packages! Glad I avoided that this time around. It's broken a couple installs for me beyond the point of patience.
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
I've been following the release-critical bugs, which were down to about 18 a few days ago but have since jumped up to about 30.
I thought it was only going to be released when there were 0 release-critical bugs. Does this mean that all those packages have been left out of sarge, as per the original announcement? Otherwise, what's going on?
to be finally rid of that three year woody
The new testing release is called etch.
... "hell has frozen over jokes"?
/etc/apt/sources.list and include a couple of TESTING sources, you'll get updates every week or three. Sometimes it's as simple as :%s/stable/testing/ .
The whole point of Debian stable is that it's a locked down STABLE release with only tried-and-true software.
You want updates sooner? Edit
Can we let the Deb bashing end now?
...thanking Debian by contributing to their projects? They are the ones who keep their distribution truly Libre (Free) and community-managed, in contrast with the commercial GNU/Linux distributors. When I will have time I will try to help them with translations. You should do something, too.
is it just me or is the DVD .iso way to small? It claims it is 4.1 and 4.4GB but it only downloads up to 360MB before it finishes...
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Why does their distribution system suck so much ass! I hate jigdo! (note I am running windows because i can't give up the games). Jigdo lite for windows is so unbelievably annoying to use! I don't mind the fact that it's on the command line, but damn can't they add support for cutting/pasting? God! I wanted to get the DVD isos but i typed like 3 pages of text and ended with errors, with no ability to copy and paste in order to fix a mistake. I like the idea, but it is better implemented in bittorrent, which for some reason they don't have the dvd images available for.I really do love Debian though, you just can't beat apt-get. It is definitely my favorite distro
At least it didn't take as long as Lucas took to complete *wars! It loaded perfectly this afternoon. Oh wait...was that a windoze machine I wiped for a customer and installed Sarge on? World-wide Debian install base +1; Windoze exP install base -1. Woody was, Sarge is, Etch will be...but sometimes I still miss the 70s and RT-11 on the old PDP 11/34...
A big downer of running Linux on a Mac is missing things like full featured java, flash, wine, nvidia drivers, and few other binary tools. Not that this bothers the purists mind you but some of us have to use them.
Linux on one of these x86 Macs should run just as well as Linux on decent x86 chipsets.
Myself, I don't buy new Macs just to run Linux on them but I'll cheerfully deploy spare Macs as servers if they're somewhat beefy.
Man I nearly fell off my chair!
the first 1,500 bug reports will be up on their bug reporting system by tomorrow morning.
This is what they get for releasing early.
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publish this somewhere. K5 if you have no where else. Or start a blog or something.
.gov, .edu folks to see, esp. in Cali. where Sec. 508 is now state law (for state funded inst.).
This kind of info. would be great for
TIA!
I have debian computers on a narrow-band connection to the Internet. They all will apt-get pretty much the same packages. Is there some way I can set a caching apt-get proxy on one machine, so not every machine has to re-download the latest version of each package?
I let it d/l for 4 hours in Konqueror on FreeBSD-Stable, got 8 GB total of it, (it was almost done), looked again and it had timed out on both downloads. Using Konqueror's RESUME option I proceeded to finish my downloading. Nope. It said it was resuming yet in reality it started from 0 and began climbing without listing the filesize total. I decided screw it thats enough, cancelled them both. I am now compiling jigdo to see if that works.
/bring that on
This is now officially the biggest most lame crashed download I have ever experienced since 300 bps on an Atari 835 back in the 80's. For what? A distro that is never as up to date as the rest. Maybe I'm meant to stick to BSD Stable and Cooker. I am only compelled to d/l it because of the tremendous amount of included software.
Yes this sucks. Who to complain to? Can anyone hear my screams? 8 GB Crashed Download(tm) from cdimage. New Broken Record.
If jigdo works, cool. If not, screw Debian... I'm going home. I'm not even going to bother with BT just to have 24 GB of crashed downloading.
meet the new sarge. same as the old sarge.
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p.s.
... .part files as if it really is resuming.
When I tried to ftp download with 2000 Server initially, it wouldn't even see over a gig of the file regardless of IE/Firefox. I assume it is an OS limitation. It actually finished with like 327MB on one of the isos.
$800 for an OS that you can't even download dvd's with.
Which one pisses me off more
1) Windows won't even download a DVD
2) CDimage times out 300 MB before end of 8 GB d/l
3) Konqueror's RESUME function restarts and overwrites the
4) Debian is really launched as an older release of all software (supposedly more stable)
5) Picking fly shit out of black pepper.
6) Cleaning bird shit out of cuckoo clocks.
7) All of the above.
A. 7
p.s.
so does Slow Down Cowboy 9 minutes after the 2 minute limit.
Hey there guy!
t -cd/
People who like them selves use Bittorrent for this kind of thing.
Bittorrent is very robust. It check the integrity of the data as part of its normal operation. The data is exchanged, piece by piece, between the clients. It's far superior to resumed downloads.
This is a nice Java based client I like to use.
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
The torrent files are at:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/b
Thanks Script Cat. I actually started to compile Azureus from ports before I decided on Jigdo. I have used Bittorrent for a long time as needed.
I just attempted to d/l the dvd-iso's with Jigdo-lite and it downloaded the template files then began spamming my Konsole bash prompt with "resolved cdimage.blahblah" "404 File not found". Something is wrong.
Since I didn't waste 8 GB more bandwidth with jigdo like I did with ftp, I will go ahead and take your advice and install Azureus. Luckily I just yesterday compiled java. 1.7 GB of compile space and several hours later, I can now hopefully compile Azureus. I will just let it run in my sleep tonight. Tomorrow... burn.
Later Daze k-k00l
Good luck!
This is the parent link with the different arch.s and dvd images.
http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
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"Sarge" is notable for greatly expanding upon the Debian policy of creating distributions that are obsolete before they are even released - a practice which, while not particularly desirable, has been enthusiastically received by nostalgic collectors of outdated open source software, as well as the National Association for Marketing Buggy Linux Applications, or NAMBLA. Debian project leader Branden Robinson defended the policy, however, in an impromptu GNAA interview which was conducted at his home. When asked to comment on Debian's slow adoption of new software, he was quoted as saying, "Look, the fact is that the open source development model is so ineffective that just as many new bugs are probably created in each release as old ones are fixed, so it all evens out. Right? Um - please stop touching my leg. No I'm not homophobic, I just - hey, I said cut it out! No, stop! I'm saving myself for Bruce Perens! HELP!"
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I'm curious if I just need to remove all those packages? (about 10 i think) and then do my dist-upgrade? or just remove the individual entries from my source.list.
I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked
Is it digitally signed ?
They might be automatically removed due to their dependencies on packages that no longer exist in sarge. I suggest you try it first. The dependency system in apt is very robust and things should happen with those packages if there are any problems.
Or, things may not have changed, and the backports can be used as is.
Nonetheless, if you would like to play it safe, do remove them.
I am SO not downloading that.
And now Wikipedia's entry on slashdotting is /.ed...
h)And Good Anakin became Bad Anakin
I still don't understand why the net-install isn't released as a windows installer. I'm currently trying to build a ubuntu installer (with grub and grldr) but I can't get it to work (ntfs is a pain). However, with a few more hands (and brains) this should be doable.
I'm amazed that people don't read the Release Notes even if they are available for all eleven architectures and translated to 14 different languages. The recommended method for upgrade is aptitude not apt-get. It has shown that it has better dependency solving for complex issues (such as a dist-upgrade).
Please go through the Release Notes, the relevant chapter is Upgrades from previous releases (link goes to english version for i386).
As a reader of a CONSIDERABLE number of troll-posts, I would like to congatulate you for a nice trolling effort
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Wow! Fireforx 1.04 ?!
I only have Firefox 1.0. You know, when a Debian release has a higher browser version then you do, you know it is time to upgrade.
Any comparisons, reviews and/or screenshots of Sarge yet? I'm especially curious about the installation process (I've installed "potato", back around kernel 2.2 era I believe it was, and it was rediculously counter-intuitive). I'm ready to try it again.
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congratulations to the debian team - great work!!
your contributions to open source are endless and huge!!! and believe me when I say this - IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
THANKS!!!
i'm sure sarge full cd sets only started fairly recently (less than a year ago iirc) because the installer was in heavy development until then.
dunno about what happened regarding cd sets before woody release though.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I just upgraded my Woody box which had several backports installed. This needed unusual amount of typing for a Debian user -- altogether three short commands instead of the usual two. Heh, :-) I guess the aptitude was recommended for good reasons, so i won't bitch about it any more.
The upgrade succeeded without a single glitch and my new Sarge box runs like charm. All backports were also upgraded without problems. Nothing's broken, everything just works. There is no other operating system distro in the world, which you could just install once and then upgrade forever.
Great job, Debian team!!!
One other thing worth noting about BitTorrent is that it can 'fix' broken downloads. So put that 8GB partial download you have (you kept it, right?) when BitTorrent will see it, and BitTorrent will notice the parts that are already downloaded and just request the rest.
pseduo-mod: "+1 Funny"
Don't worry, I'm already upgrading your system.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
It'll be nice to see folks rushing to "Zurg", instead of the other way around . . .
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.
If I've been using the "testing" moniker, do I have to do a dist-upgrade to stay on testing?
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