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World's Fastest Inkjet Printer?

An anonymous reader writes "Brother Industries has just demonstrated what they say is the world's fastest inkjet printer. The prototype uses a revolutionary new static head array to achieve amazing speeds of around 150 full colour pages per minute."

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  1. Re:I beat 150 color pages in one minute once by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously not the world's fastest troll, are you? Second post? For shame, man!

  2. time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In terms of engineering this ain't nothing new. You can do multiplication in O(1) space and O(n^2) time or O(1) time and O(n^2) space [well it's actually O(lg N) time ... but who's counting].

    It's a cool idea [can't RTFA cuz of slashdotting] since a lot of home users use inkjet.

    Now all they have todo is make ink cartridges that hold more than 9mL of ink... 9mL does ~300 sheets, a 50mL would be more than enough for a home office then....

    Tom

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    1. Re:time-space tradeoff by graphicsguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It may be possible to set up a continuous ink system . I know, for example, that inksupply.com offers continuous flow ink systems that use some tube connections to feed the cartridge directly from bottles of ink. (but they currently only support Epson)

    2. Re:time-space tradeoff by BluEyeZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those of you just juicing for a pic, you can see it at Engadget

      D

  3. Drivers by Dorf+on+Perl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does it have a Linux driver? Yeah, Canon, I'm looking at you.

    1. Re:Drivers by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Funny
      Does it have a Linux driver?

      Well, if it does, and printing at that speed, we might finally get some use out of the classic error message 'lp0 on fire'...

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  4. And yet... by theGreater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...to prove how insanely great the print quality is on this thing, the author of said article provides a very lossy jpeg scan as evidence. Having said that, if they can get 600x600 at > 100 PPM, I'm all in.

    -theGreater.
  5. Very bad in a printing accident. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speeds like that can be disasterous during a printing accident. Recently in the office a young secretary accidentally printed out (on one of our 75 pages/min printers) numerous copies of a document around 400 pages in length. Thankfully it was just black-and-white text, rather than colorful images.

    In any case, it took her a full two minute to realize her mistake, and another four or five minutes to figure out how to stop the print job. By that time she had printed off about 500 worthless pages.

    When it comes to these machines, printing mistakes can be costly and difficult to deal with. It's unfortuante that many of these printers can hold 5000+ pages of paper. While convenient, it is just screaming for disaster!

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    1. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by brokencomputer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah. I heard that cars which go more than 5 mph may be bad when people accidently crash into each other. I think all cars with a max speed of more than 5 mph should be taken off the road since people have accidents.

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    2. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by nanoakron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you on drugs? Can't you tell the guy you replied to is using a ridiculous analogy to outline the fallacies of his parent post?

      It's called humour/sarcasm. Get it?

    3. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Funny
      While convenient, it is just screaming for disaster!

      For sufficiently small values of "disaster."

      disaster |di.zast.r| noun
      1. a sudden event, such as an accident or a natural catastrophe, that causes great damage or loss of life.
      2. Accidentally printing off a bunch of pages.

    4. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by alexhs · · Score: 2, Funny

      That sorts of accidents are happening because someone disabled Clippy, else something like what follows would have happened :

      It seems you are trying to print. Are you sure ?
      It seems you want to print a document lenghtier than 10 pages. Are you sure ?
      It seems you want to print more that five copies of it. Are you sure ?
      I'm going to print 4000 pages now. Is that OK ?
      Aren't you just keeping to click on the 'Yes' button ?

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  6. Re:Sustained Printing by amrust · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wondered that too. The printer itself is standard size. But it probably sits on top of a tower of expansion drawers.

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  7. Info Sheet by LoneIguana · · Score: 5, Informative
  8. Non-moving print heads... by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now if the hard drive industry would just put some thought into non-moving heads...

    I've thought for years that a series of heads side by side, with code and logic to read sequentially or simultaneously would drastically improve hard drive performance, while reducing hardware failures.

    Almost every time I have a hard drive die it's because of failed heads. Since using UPS's I haven't had a single fried board.

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    1. Re:Non-moving print heads... by darkjedi521 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe its been tried before. Do a google search on "drum memory". Was slow, even for its day.

    2. Re:Non-moving print heads... by mparker762 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean like this?

    3. Re:Non-moving print heads... by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but i call bullshit.

      Do you know just how many tracks a disk has? Hint: its many many thousand. You cant put so many heads over the disc because the head is orders of magnitudes wider than the track. Plus if you were only doing sparse head placement (like 100 heads evenly spaced), you could not keep them calibrated, plus even IF you could, seek times would get MUCH worse because of resonanz modes of the arm complex, increased inertia, ect.
      Add to this the problems of sticktion, disturbance of the bernoulli effect because of the high head density, ect,ect, and the idea becomes braindead.
      (there were dual head hds years ago, but calibration was a bitch).

      You know, the harddisc industry (in fact any industry with x000 employees ) HAS people that are WAY smarter than you. So whenever you encouter something that doesnt make sense to you, maybe YOU are wrong.

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    4. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jfw25 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I understand the concept of drum memory and it's concept of non-moving heads. What I've often wondered, is why more *movable* stacks of heads aren't packaged into modern hard disks - to my knowledge, they all have just one stack of heads.
      Modern hard disks are optimized for precisely one thing: price. Multiple actuator disk drives have been made in the past, but they aren't now because two actuators cost at least twice as much as one.

      The market for performance-at-all-costs drives was never large enough to sustain a lot of development, and the ability of RAID technology to obtain some of that performance at nearly none of the cost has pretty much exterminated any hope of radical increases in performance.

      That said, however, it wouldn't surprise me if having multiple actuators might not increase the turbulence in the air inside the drive, making it harder to keep the heads flying at low heights. You might therefore wind up trading density for decreased average seek time, which would also cut into throughput (since fewer bits fly past the heads per second).

  9. As seen on TV by GeekDork · · Score: 3, Funny

    At long last, technology catches up with those really cool printers and fax machines in the movies! We'll be able to print suspect photos in less than a second! Yay!

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  10. Not new by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The company I used to work for does high-speed printing. They developed their own inkjet array drum, looked like one of those radial aircraft piston engines. We're talking over 400 feet per minute, continuous...

  11. It can be ev worse in a horrible printing accident by slimey_limey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just think of what would happen if the thing overheated. You'd have sheets of charcoal coming out of the printer faster than you can stuff them in the trash.

    I quake at the possibilities for buffer overruns....

  12. Re:So? by LegendOfLink · · Score: 3, Funny

    LOL! Yes, it would seem that today there is a "running theme", Slashdot style.

    For those of you who still don't get it:

    World's Biggest Hacker Held

    followed immediately by...

    World's Fastest Inkjet Printer?

  13. Oh my god. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 5, Funny

    They've just discovered the holy grail of inkjet industry revenue.

    That's like 5 color cartridges per minute, at $32 a pop!

  14. 150 A6 Pages by borawjm · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA states that it prints 150 A6 pages per minutes. A6 pages are only 4.13in x 5.83in. Alot smaller than USA's standard 8 1/2in x 11in paper size.

    1. Re:150 A6 Pages by orderb13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if you had read TFA it stated that it would work for any size paper, all you have to do is keep adding heads. So to get from A6 to A4 you'd just need to have 4 heads instead of one.

  15. more ink, more $ by scpotter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suppose it uses standard ink cartridges / print heads in a gatling style configuration. And since you'll be able to spew out ink at up to $85/minute, they're just going give these away. Especially to schools.

  16. From the article by Redwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "So apparently the secret lies in the use of new Piezo Inkjet Line Head technology, which prints at 600×600 dpi, but doesn't actually move at all. The ink is transferred at high speed as the paper passes underneath the static nozzles. In order to get the throughput, the printer contains a separate head for each colour, so that the paper receives all the ink in one high speed sweep"

    Sounds impressive, although I wonder how it copes with wet ink on the pages. If they really are coming through at 150ppm then I suspect that the problem of still wet ink from the newly printed pages might mark the pages that land on top of it.

    Still a vast improvement on my 6ppm printer I have at the moment. :-)

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  17. Re:In case of Slashdotting.. by dfn5 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Specification Notes.
    Head - 2656 nozzles per head, 600 dpi, 108 mm width (4.25 inches).
    Print speed - 800 mm per second.
    Energy saving - Deformable Piezo actuator provides 1/14 of the power requirement of conventional nozzles. For example, the A6 picture sample on the right requires only 3 watts of power, at 150 sheets per minute.
    Size - Trapezoidal nozzle zone shape provides for dense arrangement of cavities. The result is a head which is 152 mm wide, 22 mm deep and 1 mm high. Heads can be arranged in longer arrays as needed.
    Droplet size - Unspecified. 4 sizes available.
    Reliability - 10 billion dots/nozzle or more (still testing).

    Forests that can keep up with this printer - Priceless

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  18. Who ordered this? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And the purpose of an inkjet printer that uses paper and ink this fast, when there are now color laser printers that produce better output at a lower cost per page, and likely cost less, is what? Who wants this except the over priced Ink sellers (Inkjet ink costs more than Dom Perignon or other expensive champaign, ounce for ounce)? And I have enough problems replacing clogged and spotty inkjet nozzels when I have a small number of nozzels (that therefor get enough use to usually keep them flowing, how hard is it going to be to maintain good quality output for a device with 2656 nozzels per color (that seems like low resolution for a full page head too).

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  19. Printers we would like to see by British · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, speed is great, but I honestly don't find myself holding my breath for a printout from mapquest,etc.

    How about:

    1. A super-cheap to refill DIY printer. Sure, it goes against the whole business model of printers & ink. Then find some way to have it not dry out after periods of non-use.

    2. A reasonably priced printer that prints on both sides of the paper.

    3. Bullet-proof linux drivers. I gave up on CUPS + HP printer when it would print out 90% of the page, and then several pages of garbage, thus wasting paper.

    4. an ez-un-jamming printer. When a paper doesn't go in 100% perfectly straight, hilarity ensues trying to pull the confetti out without damaging things.

    Or maybe I should just save up some $$$ and go strictly laserjet instead of mooching from work.

  20. How are they going to dry those pages? by cplusplus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay, 150ppm for A6. How wet are those pages? And A6 is a very small piece of paper (about 1/4 the surface area of 8.5x11). My guess is that if you wanted a somewhat dry, smear proof 8.5x11 piece of paper, the speed of that Brother printer would be at most 30-40ppm (which is still fast for ink!).

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  21. So you too can buy ink by the tankerload by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At those speeds, I shudder to think how fast you can burn through ink.

    I suppose you can find the people/businesses with these printers by the 6 large water towers converted into ink tanks out back....

  22. Static heads? How quaint by red_dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stationary print heads... that seems so much like the old-as-balls HP line printers that we have here that I'm wondering if they're going to have it print on fanfold greenbar paper. Maybe they'll rediscover batch processing too.

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  23. Can the connection to the printer keep up? by csimpkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if the connection (I assume usb 2.0) can handle 150 full color photos in a minute. The article indicated that the demo printed 150 copies of the same photo. So, it only had to send one photo to the printer. I could see printing photo albums with this, but that is a lot of data to send to the printer.

  24. It's an ink jet line printer by greed · · Score: 2, Informative

    So they reinvented the dot-matrix line printer.

    Maybe it's new for ink jet, but it isn't new for printing. Line printers were pretty standard for high-speed but low-quality printing up until about 15 years ago; the economical laser printer killed them off.

    The dot-matrix line printers would have a solid row of pins across the ribbon, and would form a complete row at a time. The fixed-font printers had a solid row of character hammers and a chain with the letter-forms on it. The chain was set up so that there would be more of the more frequently-used letters. The controller would then fire all the hammers it could when the right letters were in front of them, so very quickly it had formed the entire line also.

    Oh, and "dot matrix" means "formed with a matrix of dots", so ink jet, laser, thermal, electrostatic, and pin-impact printers are all dot matrix. Daisy wheel, type ball, that funny thimble one, and the letter-chain line printer are all fixed-font... and we used to like them!

    Modern low-end laser and LED printers really work the same way; a laser scan or LED bar exposes a row on a photostatic drum, which then picks up the toner and sticks it on the page. But you're still drawing a line of dots at a time, you just have to draw it on a transfer medium. (And with toner, you have to iron it out to make it stick--the so-called "fuser".)

  25. Printer pranks with fast printers. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Funny
    Printers like this are just asking for company pranksters to screw around! In our company, there is this "resident nerd" (I'm the resident "geek"--I suppose there is a difference) who does all kinds of computer pranks. Most are a lot of the usual ones, like taking a screenshot of Windows saying you performed an illegal operation, and then setting that as the wallpaper... But a few were truly original and imaginative. Once, right around the time Windows 95 was coming out and most people still used DOS, he coded up a fake DOS command line interpreter. It looked like the usual DOS screen, black, with a "C:\>"... Any command you typed would return a "Bad command or file name." You type DIR and it says "Bad command or file name." It was in the autoexec file, so if you rebooted, that didn't help. Those kinds of pranks, simple but effective.

    I'm mentioning this in a post about fast printers because a year or two ago, he devised a program that sent tons and tons of empty pages to the printer at high speed, as quickly as possible, so that people won't know what's going on. As luck would have it, he owned a laser printer identical to the office printer. He disassembled his own printer and disconnected the power switch so it would be "always on", and he installed a battery in some empty space inside that would allow it to keep running for a minute or two if unplugged, he installed a hidden screw that held the paper tray inside so you couldn't pull it out to "save the paper" (it's stuck!), and somehow he had it so when you try to print a legitimate file, it would just start spitting out the "blank" pages, without printing anything on them. The day before, he collected tons of "scratch" paper that had all kinds of meaningless junk printed on it, and placed it inside the paper tray. He made "the switch", putting his own printer in place of the office one. In the morning, the secretary tried to print something, and from her perception, it appeared that all the data got screwed up on the way to the printer. Random ascii characters were spewing out at high speed. Little did she know it was pre-printed. She tried to pull out the paper tray and when she realized it was stuck, she clicked "cancel printing" and when that didn't work, she turned off the power switch to the printer, and when that didn't work, she turned off the whole UPS that the computer and printer were plugged in to, and when that didn't work (she thought the UPS battery was still powering it), she unplugged the printer from the UPS... She had messed up the whole desk in a matter of minutes, and the printer kept spewing things out! She truly freaked out! But the best part was when the nerd admitted it was a prank... She actually smacked him! It was funny.

    1. Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. by snookums · · Score: 2, Funny

      Best admin prank I ever saw was someone who put this in the crontab of a test server which was sitting in the middle of the office:

      3 20 * * * eject
      19 20 * * * eject -t

      Freaked the hell out of people working late ;-)

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  26. I've thought about this, too. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I believe its been tried before. Do a google search on "drum memory". Was slow, even for its day.

    It was only slow because they didn't know what we do now about how to fabricate electronics. They were using clunky wound-core magnetic pickups, which suffer from impedance problems: you can only make a magnetic field of a given size and strength expand and collapse so fast.

    With modern fabrication and magneto-resistive heads, it should be possible to make head arrays of (say) 32 tracks, which read 32 bits at a time. Whatever is needed to adapt to the geometry of the disk. Or you could just use one big array, but that might result in board layout problems. Some bright engineer can figure that one out.

    With enough head arrays, you could cover the entire disk. That would eliminate seek time, get rid of the head actuator motor, and drive up reliability while driving down cost. Drives could be smaller and use less power, or other things being equal could spin faster.

    Given a fixed-head drive with one head per track (and probably you'd use several heads per track on the outer tracks), the time to read a particular sector would be about 1/2 the rotation of the disk, or 1/20000th of a minute for a 10K drive. That's 3ms.

    However, since the head is fixed, you could get a call to read a certain sector and immediately begin reading the track it's on into cache. So for files larger than half a track, after the first half track the data comes from cache and you can go on to the next read. With even a naive read-ahead cache algorithm, most of your reads would come from cache.

    Whatever other objections someone might have to this I have a trump card: for some applications, having a fixed head array makes sense. Once the technology is in use, eventually I think every hard disk would be made that way.

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  27. Small thinking. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You cant put so many heads over the disc because the head is orders of magnitudes wider than the track.

    Current heads are bigger because they have to move around. The actual functional part of the head is by definition exactly the width of one track. And width along the disk radius is the only dimension that really matters. Height along the spindle axis and length along the track arc are bounded, but of less concern.

    you could not keep them calibrated, plus even IF you could, seek times would get MUCH worse because of resonanz modes of the arm complex, increased inertia, ect.

    Ah, I see your trouble. There is no arm. The head is fixed. Calibration is done one time. The only movement between platter and track is due to vibration and heat expansion, which are problems on different level: that's about track size and fly height, not feasibility. Once it's working, then you can worry about making it work better.

    A serious problem with current drives is the reliance on the Bernoulli effect and fly height. With fixed heads, you could (mostly) evacuate the chamber, leaving just enough air (or some gas of your choosing) to allow filtration of microscopic debris.

    Another neat thing that fixing the heads allows is better shock resistance.

    A lot of the time innovation comes from people on the fringe of an industry with a fresh perspective.

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  28. Large format printers often do this by tweedlebait · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://novajet1000i.encad.com/?s=1332&c=opp04

    Many of them have extra tanks. The encad linked above has 8 500mL tanks, each tank runs $40 - $120 (yup! $0.08 per mL!). The actual printheads are replacable and look very similar to the old classic HP inkjet cartidge filled with foam and a hose on the top where the refill nib is.

    The cool thing about these systems are that you can keep an extra tank to automatically switch to when one is dry, or you can switch easily between different inks for different purposes -outdoor/ uv resistant inks, archival, etc.

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  29. Re:Why I hate paper by thpdg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, be careful how much of that stuff you use. What, you think it grows on trees?

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