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CueCats vs. Common Sense Marketing

ColaMan writes "I see via boing boing that two million CueCats are up for sale at prices of $0.30 each in quantities above 500K. CueCats, being an integral part of one of the most pointless marketing schemes ever devised, never took off, but they were great for hacking. Has IT Marketing learned its history lesson, or will it forever doomed to repeat it?" Err, I'd go in for a group order, but I don't need two million at once.

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  1. Hey, genius... by Seumas · · Score: 3, Funny

    Err, I'd go in for a group order, but I don't need two million at once. Timothy

    Well, it's a good thing you only have to place an order of 500,000, then - as it CLEARLY states in the very first sentence of the submission blurb you greenlighted.

    1. Re:Hey, genius... by alienw · · Score: 2, Informative

      Still, 150 grand for half a million cuecats is kinda steep for most people. Plus, that's like a frigging truckload of the damn things. Of course, if you can find 10 thousand people who want cuecats, it's a different story....

    2. Re:Hey, genius... by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but you could make a 1000% profit reselling these once the new world order forces us to be barcoded in satan's name!

    3. Re:Hey, genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but you could make a 1000% profit reselling these once the new world order forces us to be barcoded in satan's name!

      I thought Satan was going for RFID now?

    4. Re:Hey, genius... by fm6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Satan uses non-hackable barcode readers.

    5. Re:Hey, genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      He thought they were ClueCats. Two million seemed prudent.

  2. Blogdot by pjh3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, not only is Slashdot getting slower at reporting news, and repeating the same stories over and over again, now it's reporting news from other news sites. It's like watching Ted Koppel sit and watch CNN!

    1. Re:Blogdot by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When did you get here? Slashdot has always reported news from other news sites.

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    2. Re:Blogdot by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you know? Your just an idiot with a 4 digit UID...

    3. Re:Blogdot by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, it might be funny watching Ted Koppel sit and watch CNN. He could make critical or smart ass comments just like the gang at MST3k. It might even be better if he watched Fox news.

    4. Re:Blogdot by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here...

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  3. With a minimum order of 500,000... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...You'd wind up paying 150,000USD for a bunch of nigh-useless barcode scanners, joy!

  4. Such a deal! by justinstreufert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thirty cents a unit is very cheap, but, frankly the cuecat sucked. The range is zero (literally) and the scan reliability was very poor unless you had the dexterity to move the thing across the barcodes at an exact, constant speed every time.

    I got a small box of these from a Radio Shack which was trying to get rid of them, and briefly tried to set up a POS for a client based on the 'Cat. Two weeks of constant phone calls later, I had the client fork over $100 per seat for some medium range one-shot LED scanners and life was good. :)

    Justin

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    1. Re:Such a deal! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Funny
      ... briefly tried to set up a POS for a client

      Hmmm, looks like you did ;-)

    2. Re:Such a deal! by wwest4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, these are no good for commercial and retail use. But for home use... not bad, considering the cost barrier drops nearly to zero.

      I use the cuecat for a home inventory system that has saved me tons of time and space. It works really well for disorganized scatter-brained packrats. I'm using some scripting to add bells and whistles (like native cuecat decoding support, integrated webcam snapshots, mysql backend and a tcl/tk front-end) but all that is really required is a spreadsheet with three columns (barcode, description, location), a "spayed" cuecat (hw mod is cheap or free), and a bunch of pre-made 3of9 barcodes, which you can do for free on an inkjet printer and a barcode font.

      The cuecat increases ease and accuracy of barcode entry (and reduces the chance of error) and you can find all your crap after you store it by searching the tables... for me, the biggest psychological barrier to putting things away is not being able to find them when I need them, followed closely by a strong disinclination to high-level storing and filing strategies that most people use. The barcode & hide method sticks to the Keep It Simple Stupid paradigm, and works much better for a person like me.

    3. Re:Such a deal! by radish · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm using some scripting to add bells and whistles (like native cuecat decoding support, integrated webcam snapshots, mysql backend and a tcl/tk front-end)

      The barcode & hide method sticks to the Keep It Simple Stupid paradigm

      You are obviously using some definition of "simple" with which I am not familiar ;)

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    4. Re:Such a deal! by wwest4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point is that all you really need to make it functional is the declawed scanner and a spreadsheet with 3 columns (1 for the code, 1 for the location, and one for the item description). The fact that I'm using it as a springboard for a production-quality system highlights another use of the cuecat -- cheap prototyping. You don't need to splurge right away on a $300 scanner to start working on the software portion of a point-of-sale or warehousing system.

    5. Re:Such a deal! by Proc6 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thank you for using "sh*t" instead of the expletive. So far in my 10 years of internet use I've been able to completely avoid vulgar content. For a second there I thought that was about to end.

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    6. Re:Such a deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      shit

  5. Hmm.... by Tweak232 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Has IT Marketing learned it's history lesson, or will it forever doomed to repeat it?"

    Has this story already been published years ago or are we doomed forever to keep repeating it?

  6. Has IT Marketing learned it's history lesson by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Interesting marketing concept. Come up with a product and try to give it away. When you find that you can't give it away, offer to sell someone the same thing, but without the Internet backup system needd to use it, for 30 cents each, but they have to buy 500 thousand of them!

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  7. we used these by brickballs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I volunteer pretty much every year at a local computer tradeshow. I remember a few years back when we started asking for donated cue cats. we used them to track the volunteers.

    Each volunteer had a nametag with a barcode on it.

    Volunteering for a single shift got you into the show for free (definitely worthwhile) volunteering for additional shifts got you some cheep gifts as well - toll kits and t-shirts, that sort of stuff.

    Anyways, the cue cats were pretty useful in reading the barcodes and making the whole thing work easier.

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  8. hehehe by justforaday · · Score: 4, Funny

    from the for-the-well-equipped-home-library dept.

    Yes, because I figure it makes the most sense to have a separate CueCat for each book/item on the shelf...

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  9. You should check out Delicious Library. by randomiam · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here.

    Of course, It's 40 bucks plus a firewire camera. and not $0.3.

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  11. Throw me a bone here! by pentalive · · Score: 4, Funny



    No! No! Bolt them onto the heads of the friggin sharks!

  12. Re:Free Giveaways by ZosX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What rock have you been living under?

    People have been hacking cue cats for like what? 3-4 YEARS? Slashdot alone has had at least half a dozen articles on the cuecat.

    In case you want one, you can find them on e-bay for rather cheap these days ($3-6 buy it now).

    It is too bad they won't sell in lots lower than 500k. This could have been a great money making scheme considering how many geeks are still hacking and using these things.

    Check one out. You need a ps/2 port for it to work and when you get one off of e-bay look for one that has been hacked already, otherwise you are gonna have to declaw the cat. Google will show you the way.

    Happy hacking!

  13. eBay... by sH4RD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A quick eBay search (hey, I figured they might make a good scanner to keep track of my CDs, so what the heck) found a strange assortment of results. The first being, that out of 42 results, all but one or two were not "modified to output text without software". What the heck did they do to the actual device to make it always output raw text? The second being the fact that one of the CueCats is a USB model. Did they actually make a few USB ones or is this yet another mod?

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    1. Re:eBay... by Nicholas+Evans · · Score: 2, Informative

      As far as I know (from my googling of hacks for the cat), there is a USB version, and it isn't just a mod, it's an official honest-to-god-peice-of-crap cat.

      And to make it scan normal text barcodes, you have to open up the kitty and pry up a pin connecting one of them chip-looking things to the circut board-looking thing.

  14. Re:fr1st post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. I don't have a car
    2. I don't have any money
    3. I don't have any money
    4. I don't have any money (and I'm very unattractive)
  15. Answered my own question: Info on Hardware Mod by sH4RD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, so forget all the complex software listed in the article links. Just hardware mod it! Instructions here: http://www.zapwizard.com/MediaPC/CueCat/Index.html .

    Oh, and it seems they made lots of USB CueCats. Strange how people don't seem to talk about those. At least half of them on eBay are USB.

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  16. What lesson? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Has IT Marketing learned it's history lesson, or will it forever doomed to repeat it?
    Which less is that? That you won't get rich with lame ideas? Everybody already knows that one. But when you're looking for that "outside the box" idea that's supposed to make you rich, your lameness meter tends to go on the fritz.
  17. Lesson by Schnapple · · Score: 3, Insightful
    IT Marketing learned it's history lesson, or will it forever doomed to repeat it?
    What lesson exactly? The flaw in the CueCat concept was this - it was trying to solve a problem that no one had - that being the difficulty of typing in web site addresses. This is hardly a flaw of IT Marketing - lots of useless products hit the market.

    Perhaps the lesson is that pumping millions into flimsy ideas is a bad idea. But that's always going to happen - just not in the sort of frenzy with which it happened in the dot-com era, and probably not too easily for anyone for a while. But someone was selling something correctly to get $195 million in VC funding for 265 employees all centered around sending little cats to people in hopes that they'd scan barcodes out of the Dallas Morning News and Wired Magazine.

    I can't help but think that either a) DigitalConvergence had grander schemes in the pipes and this CueCat thing was just to be the first, or b) The DigitalConvergence guys were con artists and the whole thing was a scam to get lots of money from VC's. The 260+ other employees were just pawns in a ponzi scheme.

    1. Re:Lesson by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny
      Funny article. My favorite part was the scheme that was even more stupid than the CueCat:
      And anyway, what the heck happened to last month's dumb Wired idea?

      About two months ago, Wired magazine had a different technology for going to a URL automatically from an ad. It was some kind of weird thing where you held up the page to your digital camera, took a digital picture, and ran this wacked out software that navigated your browser to the Altoids home page. So now instead of typing 7 letters I have to find my digital camera, turn it on, wait for it to boot up, take a picture of the page, turn off the camera, wait for it to flush its memory to flash, remove the flash card from the camera, take the network card out of the PCMCIA slot, put the compact flash into it's holder, plug it into the PCMCIA slot, find the picture, run the software which I previously installed, oh, don't get me started. It would be a half-hour trauma just to go to the damn Altoids web site, where you can't even buy an Altoids, for heaven's sake. Curious.

  18. No, no ... by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Satan uses RFID! (see anon parent post)

  19. If you already have one by dark-br · · Score: 2, Informative

    This comes in handy with a lot of hacks and mods using Linux to drive it.

  20. I have one by Cytlid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and it's a ps2 ... haven't used it much. My email address got stolen when one of their databases got hacked into, and I've gotten terrible spam at it since. I've had that particular email address for about 7-8 years.

    What I'd really like is to get my hands on a usb one, so I can uh... ignore it like I do this one. If it's sitting in a dusty bin somewhere, least I know the usb one is much better.

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  21. It's basic economics.. by wfberg · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Psst."

    "Yeah?"

    "Want one of these?"

    "No."

    "It's free!"

    "Don't need it."

    "I'll give you TWO! for free! costs you nothing!"

    "It's a pointless piece of crap, I don't need it, nobody wants one, it sucks, get it away from me!!"

    "Ok, ok, how about 500 thousand of these things? For only $0.30 a piece!"

    "Wow! I'm a sucker for a bargain! Who thought a total piece of crap could be that cheap if you buy in bulk! Give me 2 million!"

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  22. Have the mods learned their grammar lesson? by shark72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Has IT Marketing learned it's history lesson"

    Here's A page on how to use the apostrophe in the English language, and another.

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    1. Re:Have the mods learned their grammar lesson? by Neph · · Score: 2, Funny
      These are Slashdot users (and editors) we're talking about here. Grammar lessons need to be much shorter and, ideally, include pictures.

      To wit.

      The verbal abuse is just an added bonus.

  23. Re:Turn them into weapons by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Better yet, give them to the Borg and tell them it's our most advanced technology.

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  24. More flawed than that - think about use case by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wasn't just that people sometimes had trouble remembering URLs - it was only usable if you were reading the magazine next to your computer. So the only time you could use it was when you could just as well type in the URL yourself. Also, this was back when most computers were desktops, and laptops didn't have wireless on them, so you'd have to be reading your magazine at your desk, not on your couch or the train or wherever.

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  25. FINALLY by l00sr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can finally stop imagining what a Beowulf cluster of Cue Cats would be like, and actually build one!

  26. Re:a $0.30 sex toy by istartedi · · Score: 2, Funny

    So... I'm not the only one who thinks it looks like a dildo, albeit a small one. My initial reaction was, "you know, I'm pretty sure there isn't a bar code up there".

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  27. Don't need to buy 500K units by Doctor+Sbaitso · · Score: 4, Funny

    Little known fact: it's possible to buy them in 250K quantities; however, the price then increases to $0.60 each.

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  28. Cuecat not pointless - hit wrong market by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fundimental idea behind the cuecat was good. Barcodes are everywhere and it seems the next logical step to actually intrigrate with our web browsers to lookup product information. Need more CD-rs, just swipe the bar code off an existing product and poof, you get the same product shipped to you. Catalog ordering seemed less popular for obvious reasons. But commonly ordered supplies... poof ordered in a flash.

    But Digital Convergence decided to use broad strokes rather than hitting a nitch market first as demonstrated by companies like Readerware. Had they decided to start smaller and hit mediaphiles before the general public, this would have at the very least defined an application for their product rather than the unanswered question, "What do I need a bar code reader for". People who actually had an interest in creating a database of what they own who were already hip to the concept of web ordering who would gladly trade their demographic preferences for this service and consider recommendations based on what they buy would be useful feature. Oh look you liked "Tank Girl" might we recommend Barbarella available at your local Hollywood video, click to have it ready when you come in, or order it now.

    So I say no, the cuecat was far from pointless. It was a good idea executed poorly.

    AudioCues are another story.

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  29. The Goatse Gourmet by poptones · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you "save time" by printing barcodes, writing database code, labeling, photographing and cataloging all the useless crap most of us throw away?

    1. Re:The Goatse Gourmet by wwest4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Printing barcodes takes 10 minutes.

      3 column spreadsheet - 1 minute.

      Photography - just for fun, but once it was written - no overhead. The barcode scan triggers the camera (using the vidcat command-line tool that works with V4L).

      Yes, it saves me time, because sorting things functionally requires extra time and space, neither of which I have. I just track things by location, which is much easier (for me). I'm not tagging trash... I use freecycle for that. however, I am tagging books, multisport gear, bike parts, the original media in my music and video libraries, and boxes of documents that I will need, but I don't want to lose in storage and end up buying again (I had 10 camelbak bladders. 10!) This isn't meant as an apologia for my admitted lack of organizational skill -- it's a hack that works around my deficiency. So it's probably not for you, but it has literally changed my life, as corny as that sounds. I probably should do a testimonial for squalorsurvivors.com.

    2. Re:The Goatse Gourmet by wwest4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's the complete tcl/tk function for the photography, which as you can see did not take long to write (please forgive the formatting):

      proc check_barcode { code } {
      set barcode [ CueCat::Decode $code ] .top.barcode delete 0 end .bottom.entries.code delete 0 end .bottom.entries.code insert 0 $barcode

      exec vidcat -p y -s 640x480 > /tmp/out.jpg
      set picture [ image create photo -file /tmp/out.jpg ]
      set mypic [ image create photo ] .middle.canvas create image 0 0 -image $picture -anchor nw

      focus .top.barcode
      }

      The CueCat:: native support is also represented here in one (1) line. I realized that using my webcam, adding photo support would also be trivial. This function runs when a barcode is scanned. Stick the code on the item, commit the changes to the db, and bam - you're done. The database 'code' also is really just a couple of sql INSERT and SELECT directives. Not a big deal when amortized over the lifetime of the program.

  30. Optical Mouse as Barcode Reader? by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is the technology for barcode readers much different from that wich most optical mice use for position tracking?

    If not, why not create a custom mouse driver that can recognize a barcode when the mouse rolls over one?

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    1. Re:Optical Mouse as Barcode Reader? by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was thinking the same thing, until I realized the obvious..

      The mouse doesn't output what it sees, it outputs the same X, Y axis changes as a "normal" mouse (although optical mice are pretty much the status quo nowadays). All the processing is done internally and the results are sent via USB or PS/2 or whatever.

      There may be a troubleshooting mode, or methods for triggering the mouse to output the raw data rather than coordinate changes, but you'd either have to know about them from the engineers, or spend who knows how long sending random signals to the mouse. Also, shifting the burden of processing the images from the mouse to the CPU would likely take up a nontrivial amount of system resources and lower the performance and reaction time of the mouse.

      You could do a hardware mod, of course, but that would be nontrivial as well, and would likely require a custom designed "mod chip" to check for valid barcodes in parallel with the existing image analysis.. hardly worth the effort.

    2. Re:Optical Mouse as Barcode Reader? by Com2Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another problem is that Optical Mice have a horrible resolution, well under 100x100, I think it might even be less than 50x50.

      It could take a LOT of scans to get a barcode in correctly, since any little bit of wiggle would upset things.

  31. Re:Turn them into weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most commerical scanners have a low power laser. Cue Cats, however, use a pair of high intensity LEDs.

    Not exactly. Most wand scanners use an LED. Also, there are many commercial scanners that use focused LEDs. Also, for area imagers that read matrix codes, a laser would not be a satisfactory or efficient means of illumination.

    LED scanners have the advantage of no moving parts, since a laser scanner requires a motor of some sort to physically form scan lines. Their maximum range however is generally not as long as that as laser illuminated scanners.