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Dell We'd Sell Mac OS X
euphonaesthesia writes "In this article from Fortune, Dell CEO Michael Dell mentions that he would offer OS X to customers if Apple were so willing. The author speculates also that Apple would probably demand certain specifications. Having OS X would probably require a higher price point--this both Apple and Dell would probably like."
... to offer GNU/Linux?
What does the title mean?
Expanding the contraction, none of the three possibilites make sense
Dell we had Sell Mac OS X Dell we should Sell Mac OS X Dell we would Sell Mac OS X
What am I missing?
Unless or until Apple has an Office killer. The second MS gets wind of an Apple plan to compete with them directly using the same vendors Microsoft Office for Mac is as dead as a doornail.
It will reveal how much Microsoft is in bed with computer manufacturers.
Why does Apple not realize that they would be doing themselves a favor if they didn't act like their product is 'holier than thou'? I mean, if it were priced below M$ and ran on x86 machines, it would eventually win.
Seriously, don't they realize that selling cheaper sometimes means bigger profits?
Am I missing something here? I would have thought one of the key reasons that OSX is so popular is its stability (lets put features like Dashboard to one side for a sec).. And part of the stability comes from the fact that OSX only needs to be developed for a limited subset of microprocessors and hardware architectures currently then surely once it had to become generic for Dell boxen this would mean the OS *might* be more unstable as a result?
how many times have we heard about Dell and AMD?
Dell's just posturing to get better discounts from Microsoft.
Dell and Apple make their money selling pricey hardware, not the OS. (The last time Apple tried fooling around with clones, Umax took it in the shorts. )
So, it's not surprising Dell would offer to sell hardware. It would be surprising to see Apple take the offer.
P.S. The "text in image" thing still sucks donkey balls. (Maybe that should be my sig...)
A common thread I see running through all these conversations about the upcoming switch to Intel processors is an assumption that having an Intel automatically equates to PC Compatibility.
Back in the 1980s, there was a period of time where Macintoshs, Amigas, Ataris, and other computers all used the Motorola 68000 processor. Just because they had the same processor did not immediately mean that they could all run each others hardware. Sure, there were some emulators available, but they usually required that the user have, say, a copy of the Macintosh ROMs to put into a physical card, or something similar.
The BIOS needs to know how to address the disk. The bootstrap code can be the same from machine to machine, but without someone finding and feeding it to the CPU, you got nothing.
Did Jobs say the Mac was switching to intel Processors? Yes. Did he say Macintoshes would now boot on ye olde' compaq in the basement? Nope.
Dell said "offer to our customers", in that in the option box for some PC's you could select OSX instead of Windows.
The result would be lower winXP pricing, to price OSX out of the market and lower bundling prices of office, and of course no more Office for Mac. This would help kill OSX on Dells for PC buyers.
But Mac buyers would still shop Dells against Macs, killing Mac HW sales or profit margins.
Yep, I am sure Steve J. is just waiting to get into a price war on two fronts...
I'm sure the zealots will mark me a troll but what will happen in reality if they do that is they will have to start writing support on their OS for more than just their own hardware. This means they cannot control quality anymore. When you start introducing the third party hardware and accompanying drivers, the stability of Mac OSX will get shaky and it will start to act more like Windows. Comparing Windows to OS X is apples and oranges right now, because Macs are more akin to video game consoles as far as the software/hardware mix is concerned. Seriously, if OS X came out for x86 what you'd have is basically yet another Linux/Unix distro. You'd have to wait around for the companies to decide they need to support their hardware on OS X with drivers and all of that. It would be the same kind of issues Linux has now for the most part, except for the decentralization problem.
So instead of selling Office for PC they sell Office:Mac - they make their money either way.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Anyone see HP+iPod?
Dell *might* still make the case. Apple would require them to use reference designs for the internals, and Apple would require them to sell at a certain price.
Dell *might* be permitted to bundle extras with the computer, similar to the way you can get a ram upgrade or free printer from Mac Mall.
At Apple's prices, there's still quite a bit of room for profit for a manufacturer. Basically, Dell would manufacture Apples, and be permitted to sell it through their existing channels.
For example, many businesses have Dell accounts. They may not have Apple accounts. Of course Dell would love to sell Apples. Even if they pay a large premium to Apple, there is still a lot greater margin than with Windows PC products.
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Oh, gee, I dunno...
Because Linux on the desktop is really unpleasant for most people, particularly novices? Even on Fedora with the default settings, you have to set your HTTP proxy in many different places. (Once in GConf, once in Mozilla, once for the RedHat Network, and god forbid you start Konqueror -- that's a separate setting too.)
Having worked for a few years to set up novices with Linux on the desktop, I can say it's got a ways to go. I'm getting tired of the kneejerk "THEY SHOULD RUN LEENOOKS" posts whenever anyone mentions OS X; it's demonstrative of someone who hasn't used both Linux and OS X for any period of time.
Apple contracts Dell to build the new x86 Macs, and licenses Dell as a Mac reseller. Everything still has the Apple logo, but Dell gets a cut.
It would probably end up bearing both the Apple and Dell logos, and it would be very clear that you were getting a "Mac by Dell" rather than the real thing. Apple would also, of course, make them do all their own support. Granted, Apple would probably never even agree to anything like this, because of the risk of tarnishing their brand. There is a reason people buy PowerBooks instead of Inspirons or Latitudes, and it isn't just OSX. Everytime somebody has a problem with their "Mac by Dell," it would reflect just as badly on Mac as Dell, which would be unacceptable.
Unlike the switch to Intel, which is simply moving their brand in a different direction, letting Dell sell computers featuring OSX would actual water down their brand, which I don't think they are willing to do.
I'd say Apple is more likely to team up with HP given their relationship over the iPod. HP's shown that it's more than willing to bend over backwards to please the almighty Apple and take it right up the rear even if it means selling someone else's product under the simple guise of being able to sell sticker packets to "customize" its skin to turn a profit from it.
Does anyone own an HP iPod anyway? I've never actually seen one with the HP logo on it. Apple all the way.
This could be really fascinating to see. Ultimately Dell and the like don't want to be selling commodity hardware. It takes a lot of resources for very little margin. They'd much rather focus on selling fashionable high end machines like their XPS systems.
So, OS X, could be sort of the bridge to getting the PC makers away from the commodity market. If you want a cheap bare bones PC, you get your wintel XP box. If you want something that's going to be high quality and last you a few years, you get yourself a macintel box.
The question that remains is whether Apple is willing to sacrifice some hardware sales to broaden the base of their OS support. I kinda doubt they will because their bread and butter really is making nice hardware. It's beneficial to them to have an exclusive lock on the apple faithful as far as that goes.
In the end, what I really hope for is being able to buy an Apple computer with OS X and be able to run my Windows games under that environment rather seamlessly. Then I can run OS X all the time, play my windows games when I want to, and then down the road hopefully mac games will come out and I can drop Windows all together.
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You're missing something which is what I was originally alluding to.
If OS X becomes popular in the general PC marketplace, Microsoft stands to lose Windows sales from those who buy OS X instead.
If they kill Office for OS X, a lot of businesses would write off OS X as an option and stay with Windows.
They would lose money from killing it, but in the long run if OS X becomes popular enough they could make more from the people that would be forced to stay on Windows without Mac Office.
"Having OS X would probably require a higher price point--this both Apple and Dell would probably like."
So the monopoly OS, Windows, which is supposed to cause price gouging, is actually cheaper than MacOS with identical hardware.
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Frankly not too bad. OS X is what Microsoft wanted Longhorn to be. Stability? Check. Security? Check. Gorgeous Eye Candy? Check. Plug something in and it just works? Check. Easy for granny to use? Check. Powerful enuf for your average Unix hack? Check. Apple is sitting on a ball breaker of an OS and they know it. I think Steve Jobs senses MS for all its recent Longhorn misfires is at its weakest (OS wise) in probably a good two decades. He may swear up and down he will never let OS X run on just any PC and that may be true but notice that still doesn't rule out an OS X rollout on specially branded PCs built by hand picked suppliers (like Dell). Provided Apple gets a reasonable cut of the profits it sounds feasible. They make up in volume what they lose in direct sales and still get to uphold the Sterling Apple Brand and reputation that goes with it.
The catch is that Dell doesn't truly intend on going through with OS X based systems. They are basically trying to get MS to lower their OS licensing prices.
Remember when we had something like that when Dell said that it will have AMD based systems?
Yup..if you wanted something akin to the Mercedes of audio...go for McIntosh The stuff looks old style still...but, man, what great sounding stuff.
Too bad most young people today don't know what truly good sounding stereo can be...
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Oh, this should work well. Didn't Sony keep prices high on Betamax boxes after VHS appeared on the theory that the American consumer would pay more for quality just like the Japanses consumer?
Of course, Apple hasn't seemed to learn from any other history lessons (e.g. Osborne) either.
Locking people into hardware from only one manufacturer. How 1984 of them. Kind of forgot about that famous Superbowl commercial I guess.
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Notice how _every_ Dell web page reminds you that Dell recommends Windows XP. Like even if you want to just buy some flash or KVM cables or a monitor or something you feel like they are asking "would you like some XP with that?" Can't imagine that this behavior is voluntary on their part.
You're quite insane if you think Microsoft will sacrifice their operating system monopoly in order to possibly dominate the Office apps business. Just thought you'd like to know.
Moof.
It's newsworthy to us because of what the article doesn't say. You see, Microsoft is known for its absolute stranglehold over the OEMs. There were quite a few OSs that they wanted to ship. For example, BeOS. But MS had or has predatory licensing agreements, such as having to pay a Windows Tax for every PC even if it shipped with no OS at all. The fact that Michael Dellbert or whatever his name was comes out and says they'd sure like to ship OS X, just as if he was ordering a cheese sandwich, is the news.