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Firefox Extension for Applied Social Networking
wanderingstan writes "Outfoxed is my masters thesis project about trust. (Nutshell overview) The extension uses a social network for personalized searching, phishing/spyware protection, file/process validation and more. It's related to del.icio.us, StumbleUpon, and those Kevin Bacon things, but goes a lot further. Mathematically, it's based on the network behavior of small world networks (pdf). Built with Javascript, Python, SQL, and XSLT. 366 testers so far, but we need the network to grow!"
he wanted the network to *grow* or get slashdotted to death?
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Is this vague enough for you?
It's a cool idea, but I'm not sure how many people would bother to set this up, how often this will change the search results, whether the changes will focus your attention on the most relevant result for your search, and whether you can scale a system that accesses data on everyone in your social network on every web search.
No Links?
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
... filtering stupid posts.
on Slashdot? What would be left to read? Change you modifier to +2 and see how much is left.
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Is this vague enough for you?
Well, the thing is that I can trust many people I know with my life, but not with my computer.
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I've previously published two papers on a very similar idea - using distributed social trust networks to make trust judgements, which is essentially what Outfoxed is. You can find the papers at:
i fford.pdf
The Solar Trust Model
Michael Clifford, Charles Lavine, Matt Bishop
http://www.acsac.org/1998/abstracts/fri-a-1030-cl
Networking in The Solar Trust Model: Determining Optimal Trust Paths in a Decentralized Trust Network
http://www.acsac.org/2002/papers/9.pdf
I tried googling "kevin bacon things" and "extensions" the results I got were really disturbing. Please, we don't need any more of these on the net!
I think he needed more random links.
... but in practice, you open the door to increased risk... navigating bookmarks of someone you don't know could run you right into spyware/malware... there aren't enough filters in the world to keep up with what is put out there.
h tml ...
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Sadly, too, the concept of Monkey Sphere comes in, too...
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.
Though it will start small, it will eventually become just too big, if it survives... it will become just another random maze of links for people to click through at 3am when they should be coding for a project due at midnight the next day.
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Sorry to be a drag, just being realistic
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http://mompp.sourceforge.net/
For recommendations in favour, this sounds great, so long as the trust metric is attack resistant as described in Raph Levien's thesis. Google PageRank is an example of an attack resistant trust metric.
For recommendations against, it's very hard to make this work, because it's hard to make the shit stick; every time the global reputation of a particular identity takes a dive, it's easy to shift to another one which has no recommendations either way.
Creating hard-to-evade IDs is a very hard problem.
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What I wonder is this: Yes it does seem like an interesting idea, but how many of your friends run the same software you do? I still have friends that I'm trying to convert from IE, but it's too easy for them use what's already there. I know plenty of cliques that hang together because they all like running BSD/Linux and deal with programming and such, but none of them use the same distro or the same preferences.
My bottom line is this: Look at your best friends computer. Do they have the same extensions that you do? Do they even run Firefox? The network can only be as expansive as the people that decide to jump on board.
Perfecting Discordia
www.stevenvansickle.com
Every file and process should have a chain of trust leading back to the user. Any file or process without such a chain is being taken on faith, and the user should be warned accordingly.
For example, every process run by a computer should have a chain that looks something like this:
wuauclt.exe [executed by] Windows Update [installed by] Windows OS [installed by] User [trusted by] Root User
matlabserver.exe [executed by] MatLab Application [installed by] User [trusted by] Root User
And similarly, every file should also have a chain:
desktopicon.ico [created by] FireFox Application [installed by] User [trusted by] Root User
mydocument.doc [created by] MS Word Application [installed by] Root User
Ideally, management of trust should be done at the lowest levels of computation: in the operating system or even in the microprocessor itself. This limits the ability of malicious software from disrupting the chain of trust back to the user. Outfoxed, because it is just an extension, has many vulnerabilities. Primary is the vulnerability of the locally stored trust database.
The next step would be to have trust storage implemented as a continuously running process that could be queried by other applications. [Note 22/03: The new version does this, using HTTP for queries.] So the browser, email client, and word processor could all draw trust information from the same source.
The best solution would be to have this process integrated into the operating system itself, so that the OS could also take advantage of the trust information by only running trusted applications. Trust managed at this level, combined with a good security methodology, would give us the ultimate trustworthy environment.
Your sig(k) has been stolen. There is a puff of smoke!
"Green Tennis Shoes are the best! Come see my kewl site about Green Tennis Shoes!"
And you're taken to some guy's blog. Is there a rating system, and if so, how well does it work?sigs, as if you care.
"366 testers so far, but we need the network to grow!"
/home/wanderin/public_html/getoutfoxed/includes/da tabase.mysql.inc on line 31
User wanderin_drpl2 has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections
No, apparently you don't:
Warning: mysql_connect(): User wanderin_drpl2 has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in
If people used the brains that are supposedly inside their skulls, there would be no need for these not very useful methods of 'protection.' How many people out there would have given a thumbs up to Kazaa? My friends are great to hang out with but tend to spread the computer equivalent of STDs.
The example in the "nutshell example" seems like a good enough idea, but I'm curious, what's to ensure that the results stay good as the connections increase? In this example, it very quickly gets to a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend status. It seems that for each hop you take away from the most trusted people in your social network, good advice gets exponentially harder to find.
For example, if you asked your brother--who just had his bathroom redone--for a recommendation on a good plumber, you might expect some good advice. But how much credence are you going to give the advice of your brother's co-worker's nephew's best friend?
He answers objections about spamming and "dumb friends" by saying that the network will basically allow someone to be discredited fairly easily. Any sources that gives bad advice will quickly be given a few bad reviews.
The problem with this is that "goodness" is somewhat subjective. If you ever use amazon, you know that pretty much everything has at least few marks against it. If you want a network to be big enoguh to come up on searches, chances are that you're going to have a wide variety of opinions
It says right there on the download page
Windows XP:
Download outfoxed_beta_0.2.90d.xpi
(Where are the Linux and Mac versions?)
And from that page seeing as the site is flakey...
2005-06-18 Note: Udo has compiled Mac and Linux versions. We need to wrap it up into an installation package though...so hopefully next week. Register to be notified by email when it's ready.
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That's been one of the little mysteries in my life. You know you have Friend A and Friend B, and you like them both a lot? Then one day you introduce A to B and realize they don't like each other...at all. Yet you still like A and you still like B.
Some part of your personality is responding to something each of those people has, yet clearly they are each appealing to a different part of your personality, and sometimes those parts don't get along! :)
I think a hybrid approach between a social network and Amazon recommendations would be ideal. Based on bookmarks and preferences that you post to the server, an algorithm could reccomend other uses with similar tastes. I could then agree or disagree (on a 10 point scale) with the recommendation. That user would then enter my network, and I could browse other users in their network. You would be able to see their rating by other users. Additional ratings would refine the algorithm's ability to find new "friends" You would be notified when someone made you their "friend" so you could check them out and decide whether or not to reciprocate.
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Looks like my ISP was overconfident in saying they could handle a slashdotting. I'm moving to a dedicated server, and they say it'll be ready within a half hour. We'll see...
You want something else. There are different dynamics where you trust people. For example, no one should trust me with regard to South American history and politics. The reason, I know nothing about those areas. There needs to be a connection between Trust and areas of knowledge.
For example, I trust my parents, but I would never trust them to make decisions about computers. But if it came to building a building, I'd trust my father a bit more as he is an architect and his field is related to the construction of buildings. But I would never trust my mom regarding that. Now if the issue was the development and educational patterns of children in a bi-lingual situation, I would trust my mom, but I would never trust my father. He isn't a highly trained educator, he is an architect.
This type of trust network is good, but really is just an extension of the database that AOL has had for their buddy lists on AIM for years.
What is really needed is a way to rate peoples expertise in areas. If this can be done, a whole new dynamic internet could be formed.
Just one example of this would be to filter Wiki articles based on the level of expertise that author has in the subject.
Another example would be to filter all the recommendations you see on amazon. Wow, an English professor at Oxford recommends I read this book about the development of the symbolic languages, perhaps I should pay attention. -OR- Wow, this Policy Wonk who works for this special interest wants me to trust his opinions about the enviroment. Nope!
So to restate it, we need an Expert Network, on top of our Trust Network. And the trust networks are already in place. Just use any IM network, and apply a trust value to that connection. Now getting the Expert Network established, that's another problem. Perhaps tying a connection between each user and a DMOZ catagory. Or something along those lines.
Ted Tschopp
Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
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Nice article on BBC (via) about how most users don't even know the words for threats on the internet.
This is why I something like Outfoxed is needed: Even if you had magic browsers which could tell users "This is a phishing website," most users wouldn't even know that this was a bad thing!
The bottom line is that telling people to "get smart" will not help a computer novice who doesn't know the difference between Gator and Macromedia.
Mac and Linux versions are only a few days away.
There was just some trouble getting pyana to link correctly in Python.
Did anyone else read the title as Firefox Extension for Applied Social engineering ?
The possibilities started flowing through my brain at a rapid pace. I envisioned a 'pretend to be a technician' wizard ('Do you know the name of the contractor which the target company uses for technical support?' 'Do technicians wear overalls to service calls?'), perhaps a research assistant, a disguise toolbar (a la Sims 2), maybe a letterhead forging wizard...
This story is probably one of the biggest letdowns in the entire term of my Slashdot patronage.
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