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Orlando Cancels Free WiFi Project

EvilStein writes "According to local news, the City of Orlando has cancelled the city WiFi project. The 6 month pilot program ran for 17 months instead of the planned 6, but in the end, it was costing the city too much money and very few people were using the service. Might other municipal WiFi projects go the same way?"

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  1. Noooooooo they can't by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone tell them to stop, I'm in the middle of dow$£$"%[NO-CARRIER]

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  2. not economically feasible not a surprise by yagu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article: But city officials said that only about 27 people a day took advantage of the program -- not enough to justify the $1,800 the city paid every month for the service.

    Maybe naively I've been waiting for the propogation of wireless to be everywhere and always available and if not free, at least very inexpensive, and ubiquitous. The quote above snapped me back to reality. Sure wireless everywhere is the buzz these days, but how many people really need, or want it? I would venture even in the techno-elite slashdot crowd many wait for wireless everywhere but only a relatively modest subset of those would actually use it, and of all who use it, it would not likely be at great volumes everywhere (as in, that's kind of what it needs to be to sustain and maintain the infrastructure).

    Wireless internet isn't the same as cell phones in the sense that wireless access to the internet is nice, but doesn't drive communications as does telephony. Wireless internet access is a nicety but until wireless folds neatly into existing or expanding other necessary infrastructure (e.g., cell phone) I wouldn't be surprised to see other experimental free wireless internet sites suffer the same fate (really the question asked by the article).

    If a city as large as Orlando didn't sustain the experiment there are many other cities that would point to that as justification for not even bothering trying, at least not in the near future.

    (Doesn't mean I don't want it, just means it's too niche-y a market right now.)

    1. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I work at a software company as a developer. I have an Atlanta Bread right next to my office that has free wifi... I have never used it. Why? When I go to lunch I go to eat, talk with my wife, and just mellow out. Why would I want to surf the net at lunch?
      Why would I want to surf the net at a park?
      I used to think of all the cool things you could do with wifi everywhere but in reality I do not see all that much use for it.

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    2. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by samtihen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I think the real problem is the availability of service in conjunction with the cost, rather than people's desire for it.

      At this point in time, small wireless network hotspots are not all that useful except in certain situations, such as your home, your office, or a type of business such as a fast food joint.

      WiMax (or an equivalent solution) is, of course, the only way that something like this will become effective. If user realizes that wireless access will be available ANYWHERE, not just some half block area, then more than 27 users will take advantage. Plus, when this happens, it will pave the way for VOIP services for mobile phones.

      I have yet to make up my mind if this is a service that should even be provided by the government. It may be better left to private organizations to ensure that the government does not restrict or monitor information across the network.

    3. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by maggotty · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having personally experienced the wonderment of Orlando's failed municipal WIFI, I can personally say that it will not be missed. Connections were sub-2400-baud-modem speed if you could connect at all. If Orlando's experiment was the standard of municipal WIFI, it won't surprise me if all such experiments fail for general lack of interest.

      I hope this doesn't disuade other cities from trying public WIFI. It would be a shame if Orlando's poor implementation of a good idea might doomed municipal WIFI.

      On the other hand, perhaps Orlando is a bellweather of sorts. Municipal WIFI might fail for incompetence. On the other hand, without a municipality cluttering up the spectrum, interested residents of downtown Orlando might have the incentive to set up a cooperative ad hoc network. Er...right.

    4. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by deep44 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      When I go to lunch I go to eat, talk with my wife, and just mellow out. Why would I want to surf the net at lunch? Why would I want to surf the net at a park?
      Most people wouldn't. The point is, why work from the office when you can work from the park? ..or a coffee shop? ..or _anywhere_ in the city of Orlando?

      When I was a kid, my parents bought their first cordless phone, replacing an old rotary phone in our living room. My Mom would always sit right next to the cordless basestation when she used it- not because she doubted the technology; it was just what she was accustomed to doing.

      I think you see my point. Orlando was just a little ahead of the curve on this one..
    5. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bingo -- it's a matter of network effects. Hotspots are useful only for a small number of people who are willing and able to go to those hotspots to get their work done. Always-on, available-everywhere wifi (used in the generic sense, not meaning any specific flavor of 802.11) is useful to ... well ... everybody, because it encourages the adoption of the technology that makes it useful.

      Cell phones only became a universally accepted technology once coverage was good enough that you could be assured of getting a signal in just about any urban or suburban area, and most rural ones as well. Going a bit farther back, I believe the same is true of TV, and before that, radio. It would be absurd to look at a small-scale experiment like this and conclude "municipal wifi doesn't work."

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    6. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by Squareball · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually I lived in Orlando for 15 years and I had no idea this even existed until reading about it on Slashdot... I'm not sure if that says more about the marketing of the service or about me as a person ;)

      Seriously, I asked a number of people I know in Orlando if they knew this was even there and they have all said no.

  3. Free WiFi? by kc32 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Screw WiFi, I want free fiber connections.

  4. Vague Article by wbren · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The article left me with a few questions, since I'm not an Orlando resident. Unfortunately I don't get "Local 6 News" up here in Massachusetts :-)
    • How much was the service advertised? I mean, besides the orange signs, did they make an effort to inform local businesses' employees of the free WiFi access? How about local shops, cafes, restaurants, etc.?
    • What made up the $1,800/month price tag? Was all of that put towards a dedicated line? Maybe they should have scaled down the bandwidth (and the price), increasing it as needed.
    • Why did the pilot program get extended in the first place? Did they simply hope more people would use it as time went on?
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  5. Why does government need to do this? by toupsie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why do taxpayers need to fund free WiFi when you can just get it from your neighbor's right out of the box, default install Linksys/Netgear/Airport router?

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  6. Understand by robpoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Kansas City. If the city put in free wireless in our downtown - nobody would use it. There's nothing in our down town to do .. after 5:00PM (except buy drugs, hookers, or be on a cleaning crew).

    A city running something like that would give me the willies anyway. Who's to say they wouldn't be monitoring every piece of information - and/or someone sitting there with AirSnort doing the same..

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  7. I live in Orlando... by xENoLocO · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... and I've never heard of this.

    Why not? I'm a technically inclined 20 something who would have used this, had I known about it.

    I think that is the real problem here. Their target demographic didnt even know about it!

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  8. "Free" and "Cost Too Much" ah, the irony by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm always a little amazed that people will use the word "free" when they mean "taxpayer subsidized."

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  9. It's Great In Theory, but... by chia_monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds great, doesn't it? Free WiFi for the entire city. No need to search for hotspots. No need to pay to surf while you're sipping your Starbucks coffee. But...realistically, who's going to use it? I'm a WiFi junkie and I keep forgetting about all these free WiFi initiatives. Also, we need to keep into consideration that first wee need a very mobile client base, people lugging around their laptops and then using them somewhere. When they do pull out their computers to work, it's usually at a hotel (which generally provides WiFi now) or at work (provided network) or at home (probably networked). I doubt anyone is going to cancel their Internet service at home simply because the city provides free WiFi. I'd much rather blame Comcast for a downed network than rely on the city. Like I said...it sounds great, but the logistics and cost of it all far outweigh the reality of the situation.

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  10. That's because... by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...I live in Orlando and I had no idea the pilot program was going on. You'd think they'd advertise it somewhere - maybe even at the local university. In fact, I don't know anyone that knew such a project was in place.

  11. blah by Momoru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like how Government programs get cancelled due to initial lack of use....cancel the wifi, cancel the bus routes only a few people use....the government isn't a corporation, its there to help the people, not turn a profit. If only a few people were using a park would they pave it? If only a few people used the courts would they close them? Some things are just a public service, and WiFi is the public service of the 21st century.

    1. Re:blah by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those government programs get cancelled because they are tremendously egregious wastes of money. Even governments can't subsidize forever; the bar is lower than it is for a for-profit business but even cities can go bankrupt if they run at a deficit for long enough.

      Face it, free wireless is neither a high priority nor a fundamental necessity of life to the vast majority of people, and that will be true for the foreseeable future. If it's really that important to you, you can get it from a commercial provider (at a cost, but hey, it's really that important, right?).

  12. Scope by sigma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Please don't get the impression that this was a city-wide project. In reality, the signal was only available over a few city blocks and one park in downtown Orlando.

    This failure is clearly because of a poor location choice. The main branch of the Orange County library is only a block away from Lake Eola park where this project was centered, but no signal was available in the library when I was there earlier this year.

  13. bad area, poor service by vsync64 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I live in Orlando and on several occasions I tried to use the wireless service outside. I was unable to get a DHCP lease or even a very strong signal (this was right next to the sign proudly advertising the wireless). Then there are the homeless people that congregate in these parks. Finally the humidity is very bad. It wasn't even summer yet, but I was concerned that long term use might short out parts of my laptop. Plus it's not pleasant to sit outside and be hot and sweaty.

    I hope they didn't kill the wireless in the library downtown though; that works quite nicely and is a great benefit when visiting for relaxation or research.

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  14. Mickey Mouse Project by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $1800:mo for 6 months pilot, extended to 17 months, means they planned to spend $10K, but spent $30K instead. For a system to support "up to 200 people at once" - which would have been $9:mo, just in costs, for a hotspot. That's not "municipal WiFi", that's a token gesture, doomed to fail.

    How much could they have spent getting people to know about the service, known to everyone in business as "marketing"? And with that kind of tiny coverage, what possibility could it have had to be meaningful as "citywide"? None at all. Philadelphia's project will cost over $10M, complete coverage for 1.5M people. And it will not just be some "hotspot startup", it will be a complete coverage, so people can forget about the network, and just get access to Internet content, services and people. That has a good chance of success.

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  15. Re:Then you aren't too techincally inclined? by xENoLocO · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've been a web developer and designer for 12 years. I currently work at Disney Internet Group.

    We operate Disney.com, DisneyWorld.com, ESPN.com, Movies.com, Go.com, ABCNews.com, MLB.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, NASCAR.com, and *many* others.

    Any other questions? Or would you like to continue mocking my technical ability?

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  16. I'm from Orlando... here's the scoop by paulrpayne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lake Eola is a 9 square block area. It is a single path surrounding a large lake. There are a few benches along the path, a small deck with 4 or five rocking chairs, and an outdoor stage with rows of metal-wire seats (100-200) where homeless people can usually be found sleeping and congregating. There are a few grassy areas, a kids playground and a few sculptures dotting the landscape. With that in mind, would you rather go to this park and either sit on a wire-seat with homeless people or on one of these benches with joggers and people feeding the pigeons and ducks in 90 degree(F) Orlando humidity without a power outlet or a table, or would you rather go to Stardust Video, a 5 min. drive from there, where they have a full espresso bar, a broad selection of beers, comfortable seating, your selection of popular and underground videos, occasional live music, and most importantly AIR CONDITIONING along with their free wifi?? I always went to Stardust.